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Favoriting December 19, 2022: Darren Byler, co-translator of "The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang"

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Today: Darren Byler, co-translator, “The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang”

Darren Byler was on Techtonic on January 17, 2022 talking about the Uyghurs in western China and his book “In the Camps: China’s High-Tech Penal Colony.” Byler returns to Techtonic to discuss “The Backstreets,” a novel by Uyghur author Perhat Tursun. Byler translated the novel into English after the author, and Darren’s Uyghur co-translator, were sent to the camps.

• The Backstreets: A Novel from Xinjiang from Columbia University Press – also on Indiebound

• Becoming Vermin: Perhat Tursun as a Franz Kafka Character, by Darren Byler in the Columbia University Press blog (Sep 22, 2022)

• 'The Backstreets’ by Perhat Tursun: A Xinjiang novel before its time by Darren Byler for The China Project (Sep 15, 2022): “‘The Backstreets’ is a masterful work of stream-of-consciousness fiction that has recently become available outside China, the first Uyghur-language novel to be translated into English.”

• Xinjiang Has Produced Its James Joyce: “And he’s now sitting in a prison camp.” Review of The Backstreets in The Atlantic by (past Techtonic guest!) Ed Park (Sep 21, 2022).

• Listen also to: March 28, 2022 (Ethan Gutmann on digital spycraft in human rights work in China), June 7, 2021 (Amelia Pang on her book “Made in China”), November 28, 2022 (Why you shouldn’t trust Apple), April 22, 2019 (Paul Mozur on surveillance in China), and of course January 17, 2022 (Darren Byler on his book “In The Camps”).

• WFMU 2022 Specials Round Up - DJs and hosts pick their favorite show of 2022

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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Mark and all the Techyon Particles! Very excited for today's show.
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtstreet Boys!
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Handy Haversack:

Ha, playlist image is why we are treeless this year!
  6:01pm
Rolando:

Greetings all
  6:02pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicans!
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PaulRobeson1922:

Hi Hi Hi
  6:04pm
Rolando:

Would love to see a pic of Mark doing his thing in the studio:)
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herb.nyc:

hey, were last week's votes properly tabulated and certified? sorry. but bring on today's FICTION (mark normally deals in non-fiction)
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adampsyche:

just hearing about Terry Hall :(
  6:05pm
yippie:

the Soho apple store lied to me and charged my credit card instead of my apple gift card. they make it way easier to use this gift card to download crap on itunes
  6:07pm
yippie:

it's no big deal just got to waste 30 minutes tomorrow returning and rebuying an SSD. the other apple stores in NY are better I think.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
chris in the redwoods:

hey, Mark and folks. here for this.
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herb.nyc:

(related - f.kafka's THE TRIAL plays at film forum. now. i hope to see)
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steveo:

@Rolando www.flickr.com...
  6:09pm
wendy del formaggio:

Hello Mark & friends. I’m cooking but I’m here.
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ultradamno:

Ska isn't really my thing, but I liked The Specials a lot back in the day. RIP Hall
  6:09pm
tim from washington:

Hi Mark and crew! And m listening intently.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone, thanks for joining this evening.
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coelacanth∅:

greetings
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Megaroni:

Thank you Mark for continuing to share this important topic and giving them a voice
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joe_rosevear:

Hello, all!
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Annette:

Hi Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

@coel @Megaroni @joe_r @annette welcome!
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Handy Haversack:

So, full disclosure, my work published this book. It has got a ton of attention, which it well deserves. But it's great that Mark always points out that what China's govt. is doing to those it controls is just further along on a spectrum of choices that is abetted or even created by U.S. companies and that our govt. could use at any point on those people that it controls. Sinophobia focuses a lot of attention on what the CCP does but tends to make U.S. writers and critics ignore our systemic complicity in the same forces.
  6:17pm
yippie:

I was actually with my Japanese wife, and it was her account. of course I don't have my credit card numbers saved in apple store or anything
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Ike:

Hi all. @Handy, complicity is important, but IMHO all leftists should remain extremely vigilant re: those who would minimize the cruelty and viciousness of the imperialist FAKE communism of the CCP surveillance state.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

Oh, WORD, Ike: just saying that there's a lot of willful blindness in the mass coverage of CCP sins vis-a-vis those of U.S. surveillance capitalists and their govt. enablers.
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ultradamno:

Well, now Foggy Notion is in my head.
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coelacanth∅:

and the natives of north and south america could also tell you about having their culture erased.
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Handy Haversack:

Do it again, ultradamno.
  6:28pm
Rolando:

Friends, this is our future too it we don’t all stand up for each other even if our ideologies differ.
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PaulRobeson1922:

@Rolando: good evening Rolando!
No. you ain’t got a future just a party every night
  6:29pm
tim from washington:

I’m definitely seeing if my library has this book and ask them to order if it doesn’t.
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Handy Haversack:

Amazing to think of English as the language of antiracism given its (as Darren and coela said) deep imbrication in the strategy of racism. Great interview, Mark. Perception-opening.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Handy.
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herb.nyc:

mark's ATLANTIC link had this - For him, numbers are a mystical code masking universal truths, possibly controlled by some ancient superpower or secret society: “Every time I saw some sort of number, I couldn’t walk away until I had forcefully memorized that number and it was stuck in my mind.”

i kinda relate - i was reading and rereading about countable and uncountable infinities. from bio of math guy PAUL ERDOS. and it just blew my mind (man).
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herb.nyc:

people are numbers - many many years ago, i saw an old man with a number tattoo'd on his forearm, on subway. ugh, concentration camp survivor. glad he made it.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and skepticons Remember to toss TikTok. www.inforum.com...
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PaulRobeson1922:

Who’s quote is this? “What use will it be to educate my children if the highest station in life they can aspire to is cook in a white gentleman's kitchen, hotel porter, ash man or coach driver?”
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PaulRobeson1922:

Night Soil man
  6:45pm
Old Dave:

What use will it be for me to give my daughter a private college degree if it costs me 90K a year here in the US?
I made that money shoveling horse shit, only a bit better than human night soil.
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Wind:

Amazing interview!
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Handy Haversack:

Great conversation, Mark -- what the author and translator really deserve.
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herb.nyc:

imagine if the USandA made trades for the imprisoned uyghurs.
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herb.nyc:

or if the millions made by athletes (for instance) can be used to bail out the uyghurs.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Has Chemistry Degree-
Is an expert in his field but cannot get a job- sound familiar? Any historical parallels?
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Webhamster Henry:

When I refer to the Surveillance state, I'm including those huge, state dominating companies and their profit motives as well.
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StringOFperils:

The novel sounds like a worthwhile read indeed. The 're-education' camps have been in the news for quite some time, but China does not suffer being told about its human rights concepts, and people hereabouts want i-phones and thousands of other things, cheap and fast and disposable, three words that increasingly apply to ourselves as well, within capitalism; we should leverage our own governments and examine our personal habits when looking at this, as these things will definitely come home to roost. Our governments are not some body existing 'over there', our governments are us.
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Webhamster Henry:

Elon got voted off the island - but it was his own election.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm
Handy Haversack:

And Twitter collects a ton more info that TikTok actually does. So while tossing TikTok is a thoroughly admirable goal, we do let blind eyes form to the deep ties between our capitalists and China.

Good bit in The Markup about that: themarkup.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm
Dano59:

oh, Elmo's definitely as tight with a transnational crime syndicate as tfg was/is. see: pic with Jared & Saudi royalls in Qatar. This week.
Bilionaire human rights abusers
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Old Dave:

The best thing for us all here would be a flaming crash and burn of Musk
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Handy Haversack:

And thanks, Mark! Really grateful for today's episode and the conversation -- and I hope the warning finds receptive ears because you are showing that it *can* happen here -- and is closer to doing so than we want to believe.
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PaulRobeson1922:

Forced Labour is what generated the primary wealth for the stocks and Bonds sold and tradded on Wall Street- insurance companies generated their primary wealth in the slave trade- Wall street’s primary wealth was generated on the plantations and the slave ships
  6:57pm
wendy del formaggio:

Thank you, Mark, as always. Happy holidays to you and your family.
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Feldy:

Thanks Mark!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark Hurst!
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joe_rosevear:

Thanks for the great show.
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Annette:

Thank you Market 🔥
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Bas NL:

Hi and thanks Mark!
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Wind:

TY..Happy New Year!
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herb.nyc:

thanks for the show, enjoy yrself, mark, and all. happy newark!!!!
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Annette:

Mark
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chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
  6:59pm
Rolando:

CU all next week.
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StringOFperils:

Have a safe and happy holiday season, everyone. And be thankful for what you have. Thanks Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark! Fuck Elon!
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listener 126464:

Thanks, Mark.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Happy consumer celebration holiday! 🎁
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joe_rosevear:

Interesting bit about Tesla and Elon Musk.
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Darren!
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joe_rosevear:

It's never enough to do a good job. One has to be rich and famous as well.
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PaulRobeson1922:

I was going to edit that but c'est la vie!
Peace & LovE ya’ll!
  7:05pm
Old Dave:

At the point where you (Musk) believe you are God's gift to humankind- well.. God will smite you
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joe_rosevear:

Could it be justfied? Is he using his wealth and fame for good?
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