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Favoriting November 28, 2022: Why you shouldn't trust Apple

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Today: Why you shouldn't trust Apple

The two-trillion dollar company in Cupertino, California is hungry for more growth at any cost. Recent news shows what Apple is willing to do – like surveilling iPhone users without their knowledge or consent, doing shady deals with the Chinese Communist Party, and more. On this episode, all the reasons to “avoid Apple.”

Profiting from Google’s surveillance

Google Will Continue to Pay Apple Billions to Keep You From Using... Bing? (Gizmodo, Aug 26, 2021): "Google is expected to fork over $15 billion to Apple this year to keep its search engine the default on Safari."

Defending (and denying) its monopoly

• (From the June 20, 2022 show) – About Tim Cook: Tim Apple Takes On Washington (Politico, June 10, 2022): “Apple CEO Tim Cook took his charm offensive to Capitol Hill on Thursday, holding meetings with senators on both sides of the aisle to discuss a host of pet issues — especially the American Innovation and Choice Online Act (S. 2992), the tech antitrust legislation that could receive a vote in the upper chamber as soon as this summer. Cook’s Hill meetings are only the latest effort by Apple to deploy its CEO’s star power to wreck the bill’s prospects. He also called members of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this year ahead of the markup of both S. 2992 and the Open App Markets Act (S. 2710). Passage of either bill could fundamentally alter Apple’s business model.”

Growing ad business

• Compare all news below with this clip of Steve Jobs speaking about privacy and Apple (from D8 conference, June 2010)

Apple Is an Ad Company Now (Wired UK, Oct 20, 2022): “Apple has sold ads inside Apple News and the App Store since 2016 but in recent months has shown a new determination to muscle into an industry dominated by Google, Meta, and Amazon. In June, Apple expanded the ways companies could pay to get in front of its customers’ eyeballs, allowing them to buy ads on the front page of the App Store. In August, Apple job postings suggested it was building a self-service platform for businesses to book ads to be served to customers through Apple products. This month, reports surfaced that Apple was courting potential buyers for ads on Apple TV+.”

Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims (Proton blog, Nov 24, 2022): “Apple’s advertising operation follows the surveillance capitalism model of its rivals, using data it collects from various Apple services and your Apple account to show you ads in the App Store as well as its News and Stocks apps. Notably, these are all platforms or services that Apple has complete control over, allowing it to lock out its competitors. Apple currently brings in roughly $4 billion from advertising and is forecasted to bring in as much as $30 billion by 2026. While these amounts are an order of magnitude smaller than the $210 billion Google made from its ad services, they represent a change in philosophy for Apple, which only earned around $300 million for ads in 2017.”

“Apple monitors your every move in the App Store and its News and Stocks apps and then uses that data to sell ads targeting you in those same apps. To meet its growth forecasts, experts expect Apple to start selling ads in its Maps, Podcast, and Books apps, meaning it could replicate this model across more of its services. Much more of your activity could be monitored in the future. You can disable ad personalization on your iPhone. However, this doesn’t prevent the App Store or News and Stocks apps from collecting and using your data, nor does it prevent Apple from using other information it has on you, such as your network provider or device type, for ads.”

“This all might seem surprising given Apple’s various claims about privacy, “What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone”, and ATT. However, ATT targeted a very specific niche of data collection. An app only needs to ask your permission to collect data if it has trackers that follow you outside the app onto another app or website. ATT doesn’t prevent companies from monitoring your activity within an app and collecting that data, like Apple does with the App Store and its News and Stocks apps. “

...(below, on Apple’s redefinition of privacy)....

“Unfortunately, this is another example of Big Tech introducing privacy measures that prevent competitors from accessing your data so that it can keep it all for itself. To these companies, privacy means ‘no one can access your information but us.’”

Apple Is Tracking You Even When Its Own Privacy Settings Say It’s Not, New Research Says (Gizmodo, Nov 8, 2022): “An independent test suggests Apple collects data about you and your phone when its own settings promise to ‘disable the sharing of Device Analytics altogether.’”

“. . . The iPhone Analytics setting makes an explicit promise. Turn it off, and Apple says that it will ‘disable the sharing of Device Analytics altogether.’ However, Tommy Mysk and Talal Haj Bakry, two app developers and security researchers at the software company Mysk, took a look at the data collected by a number of Apple iPhone apps—the App Store, Apple Music, Apple TV, Books, and Stocks. They found the analytics control and other privacy settings had no obvious effect on Apple’s data collection—the tracking remained the same whether iPhone Analytics was switched on or off.”

. . . “Privacy is one of the main issues that Apple uses to set its products apart from competitors. It emblazoned 40-foot billboards of the iPhone with the simple slogan “Privacy. That’s iPhone.” and ran the ads across the world for months. But the company is slowly introducing many of the internet’s privacy issues into the once sacrosanct Apple ecosystem. Apple is working hard to build an advertising empire. Apple’s ad network runs on your personal information just like the ones Google and Meta operate, albeit in a more reserved way. Along the way, Apple developed a very convenient definition of what privacy means that lets the company criticize its rivals’ privacy practices while harvesting your data for similar purposes.”

Apple Sued for Allegedly Deceiving Users With Privacy Settings After Gizmodo Story (Gizmodo, Nov 11, 2022): "Apple is facing a class action lawsuit for allegedly harvesting iPhone user data even when the company’s own privacy settings promise not to. The suit, filed Thursday in California federal court, comes days after Gizmodo exclusively reported on research into how multiple iPhone apps send Apple analytics data, regardless of whether the iPhone Analytics privacy setting is turned on or off."

Apple Says Your iPhone's Usage Data is Anonymous, but New Tests Say That's Not True (Gizmodo, Nov 21, 2022): "The findings are especially damning given the years Apple spent rebranding itself as a privacy company. Apple’s recent marketing campaigns suggest the company’s privacy practices are supposed to be far better than other tech companies. It emblazoned 40-foot billboards of the iPhone with the simple "

Harming users for ad money

Apple developers are frustrated with gambling ads appearing across the App Store (The Verge, Oct 26, 2022): “Gambling app ads have even started showing up beneath apps meant to help users recover from a gambling addiction.” ... and soon after, Apple pauses App Store gambling ads after developer outcry (The Verge, Oct 26, 2022): “It’s unclear if [Apple] will actually address the the issue, or just wait for the smoke to blow over.”

Helping Russia and China suppress democracy and worker rights

Apple and Google Pull Opposition App From Russian Stores Following Kremlin Pressure (Gizmodo, Sep 17, 2021): “The world’s two most powerful tech companies have kowtowed to Putin’s regime, it seems. On Friday morning, Bloomberg reported that Google and Apple have removed longtime opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s voter guide app from the App Store and Google Play store in Russia. Activists have charged the companies with bowing to Kremlin pressure. The Russian parliamentary elections began today and last through Sunday.”

Workers Battle Police at China's Main iPhone Plant Amid Protests (Gizmodo, Nov 23, 2022): “Reports say that factory staff have been beaten and detained after protesting covid conditions and lies about pay. . . . AP cited a worker at the plant named Li Sanshan who said he had been promised 25,000 yuan, or $3,500 for two months work at the factory, but then Foxconn reportedly flipped the script and told workers they would need to do an extra two months at lower pay to receive that initial promised amount.”

7 Apple suppliers in China have links to forced labor programs, including the use of Uyghur Muslims from Xinjiang, according to a new report (by Katie Canales in Insider, May 10, 2021): covers a report by The Information (behind paywall)

Censorship, Surveillance and Profits: A Hard Bargain for Apple in China (by Jack Nicas, Raymond Zhong and Daisuke Wakabayashi, NYT, May 17, 2021): "Apple [is] preparing to store the personal data of its Chinese customers on computer servers run by a state-owned Chinese firm." ... "A Times analysis found that tens of thousands of apps have disappeared from Apple’s Chinese App Store over the past several years, more than previously known, including foreign news outlets, gay dating services and encrypted messaging apps. It also blocked tools for organizing pro-democracy protests and skirting internet restrictions, as well as apps about the Dalai Lama."

• (repeating from the Nov 14 show) Apple Limits iPhone File-Sharing Tool Used for Protests in China (Bloomberg, Nov 9, 2022): “iOS 16.1.1, released Wednesday, caps the window in which users can receive files from non-contacts at 10 minutes. . . . Apple made the change to AirDrop on iPhones sold in China. The shift came after protesters in the country used the service to spread posters opposing Xi Jinping and the Chinese government.”

Expansion plans

Habituation and normalization. Fingerprint readers, and then facial recognition, widely accepted because “we can trust Apple.” Now those intrusions are spreading everywhere.

An Apple Watch for Your 5-Year-Old? More Parents Say Yes (New York Times, Sep 1, 2022): “The [Apple] smart watch has found an unexpected audience: children as young as 5. . . . Apple has deliberately turned the watch into a device that can be attractive for children and their parents. In 2020, the company released the Apple Watch SE, which had fewer features than a premium model and was priced $120 cheaper. Apple also introduced Family Setup, software that let parents track their children’s locations, manage their contacts list and limit their notifications.”

• Apple is also reportedly working on surveillance glasses.

The Next Big Battle Between Google and Apple Is for the Soul of Your Car (by Christopher Mims, WSJ, Oct 1, 2022): “In the future, your choice of smartphone ecosystem—Android or iPhone—could determine which make and model of car you choose.” On this topic, Elizabeth Warren writes (Nov 1, 2022): “Big Tech is setting itself up to be a one-stop shop for automakers—for everything from data collection, cloud storage, and analytics to in-car navigation to voice assistants to autonomous driving capabilities. To achieve this dominance, Google, Apple, and Amazon are leveraging their market power . . . to become the dominant players in the automotive sphere. This expansion has potentially alarming implications for developers, workers, and consumers.”

Apple is rotting. Live Photos shows why (by Mark Hurst, May 20, 2021): “Apple is showing all the signs of a deep corruption. It's not just their cozy relationship with state surveillance actors, or their willful ignorance about forced labor used in their manufacturing, or their tax avoidance in Ireland, or their anticompetitive App Store, or their surveillance-capitalist revenue from Google, or their "gift to stalkers" known as AirTags, or their business model's moral equivalence with Facebook. Apple is rotting for all of these reasons and more.”

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Listener comments!

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arb:

hi friends of techtonic! I'm asking for original limericks and haikus written by you based on your feelings and thoughts towards technology. I will use them when I guest host. send to alina@wfmu.org Thank you!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtomologists!
  6:00pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Particles! Extremely here for this one. I recommended to my iPhone-using friends, but well. And accidentally to someone who works at Apple!
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melinda:

hi friends
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Deano de los Muertos:

Welcome to Techtonic, the show that allows me to feel smart, just once a week. 😌 🤖
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Low Technoids!
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Rolando:

Hoist your antenna ready to receive info and news !
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonians!
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Wind:

Mark!
  6:03pm
Robm:

Hello fellow techies
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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arb:

H🍎LL🚫
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Wind:

Noted arb:)
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Scott67:

G'day Mark & Organics!
🌏🍻😎🤙💨🍺
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arb:

Hi Wind :)
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Scott67:

Happy to say I've never even owned a I Pod.
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chresti:

Hi arb!
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ultradamno:

I'm using an iPad to listen to this now...and boy it really wants me to use "Apple Pay"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

I don't know that anyone has to use Apple for personal reasons. Work, who knows. But there is nothing in a fulfilling life that you need to get from Apple.
Avatar 🤖 6:06pm
MarciB:

excited for this show - I'm a photo manager and interact with Apple on a daily basis. Many of my colleagues are huge fans of Apple...but it's really hard to criticize it without getting the cold shoulder!
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joe mulligan:

still using an iPhone7, never bought an apple macbook, stopped using iTunes over a decade ago. also never owned an iPod. been thinking about the day I need a new phone but putting that off.
  6:06pm
Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

Hi Hi Hi!!
  6:07pm
Robm:

If people don’t want to use apple no problem. same thing with google
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Rolando:

Ohhh this is going to be good. Boss called me in the other day to talk tech. Roly what is involved with moving our school from Apple to Google? Boss !!!! What do you know about Google? Just for context - We are talking 1200 students and 1700 devices :)
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melinda:

@ultradamno I get tired of being pushed to use Apple Pay, I'm skeptical of new payment methods
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dale:

we should all go back to the amiga.
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joe mulligan:

I get the feeling that the company has sold so many products that don't need replacing so they are desperate to continue the hockeystick sales/appease investors.
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arb:

hi chresti!
  6:08pm
kevlicki:

Hi mark, from my apple device while listening on the 90.1 frequency
  6:09pm
Robm:

@Melinda and ultradamno i just ignore the apple pay prompts
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stu564t9:

Bring back dumb phones!
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Handy Haversack:

I had an Apple IIe. I think that was my last Apple product.
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bk845:

Apple II forever! I had a IIe as well, and I bought an Apple IIgs on eBay a few years ago.
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herb.nyc:

hola, some of the apple store staff are REALLY gung ho and looooove the company. i can understand. but come on, be a little more realistic.
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fred:

I'm reminded very often at work that I should give Apple my credit card number. I refuse to do so, so my work is much harder (I work in software). These guys are evil, and always were
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Scott67:

Who's listening on a Transistor Radio?📻
  6:10pm
tim from washington:

Hi Mark and everyone! I am not an apple hater. I am an apple eater. Lots of fujis and a little macintoshes.
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bk845:

I always despised the Mac line because of how Jobs abandoned the Apple II.
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kevlicki:

@Tim
Macintosh is one of the worst! Im a winesap lover
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WebHamster Henry:

Have been an Apple developer since '89... but mostly because Amiga died.
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dale:

i still have a graphite imac i bought in 1999. still works for playing music. the crt looks so quaint today. i still have tons of things like cd writers, jazz drive, zip drive, usb huns etc that cost a small fortune back then and became outmoded so fast.
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bk845:

Amiga mod files forever!
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dale:

usb HUBS....
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fred:

I am an Apple hater. Have been since the academic boycott in 1993 (?)
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stu564t9:

@Tim @kevlicki Honeycrisp all the way
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DJ Terre T:

Another lifelong APPLE user- thx so much for doing this (+ all of your) shows
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Ciggy:

👂 🙉 👂
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morphe':

ex-partner has Macs,Ipads,watches,phones, Alexa ... I mentioned the scrutiny/survelliance and she poo poos me ... I used her Ipad to look up a Pizza joint and it told me I was 800 yards away...she has location on, on all devices ...
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kevlicki:

Stu54t69 touché honeycrisps are worthwhile too!
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Handy Haversack:

No patented apples, stu564t9! Open-source!
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kevlicki:

Big tech doesn’t 🖤you
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joe mulligan:

I feel like the only way out of these mega-monopolies is either anti-trust crackdowns (not realistic) or numerous new innovators doing things better (not probable in the near future)
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yippie:

I pretty much view Apple and Google as 1 company because they have the non-competitive business arrangements regarding apple not having its own real web search engine and the Big Bribe
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Rolando:

Stood up for Apple in 2008 / 2009, We must not forget how much push back Apple users got from Microsoft users. How horrid Microsoft was to Linux and Apple. Now as we enter 2023 we know that ultimate power ultimately corrupts. I intend to play a part in exposing Apple, much like I did in 2008 with Microsoft. It's just not nice what they are doing.
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ultradamno:

Huh, I guess Safari is still on here. I forgot it existed.
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joe mulligan:

I'm so confused, wasn't there a major court case against MS for having their browser as default? isn't a default search engine quite the same thing?
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DJ Terre T:

Tho I never always use Google (or gmail or ANY Google related jams) - I changed my default search engine to STARTPAGE.
If anyone wants to check out the various search engines and the pluses + minuses here’s a link of the various search engines and their level of privacy surveillance etc
SERIOUSLY DO NOT USE GOOGLE
searchengine.party
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stu564t9:

hahah, good point! @Handy
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ultradamno:

Well, the 'auction' ad was downright comical www.techradar.com...
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fred:

@Rolando: Microsoft invested in Apple and saved them from going under, to shore up a "competitor" to avoid anti-trust. Blew up big time
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kevlicki:

Mark I think you should adjust your sign off to include”use cash”
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DJ Terre T:

I always disable location too unless I want IDs on my vacay photos 🤦🏼‍♀️😹
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WebHamster Henry:

You can use the duck duck go 's browser now, if you trust them.
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Mike Sin:

Sounds like the mafia has to up its game.
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stu564t9:

I wonder if using alternative search engines within Androids make any difference. Even keyboards have google functions built in.
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melinda:

@Terre T I just made Startpage my default search engine, thanks!
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Rolando:

@fred - I did hear that. Yes it blew it certainly blew up. Reason Google pay Apple 15b is so that Apple don't make their own search engine, which would cause Google to loose more that the 15b they pay.
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joe mulligan:

United States v. Microsoft Corp. in 2001:
The U.S. government accused Microsoft of illegally maintaining its monopoly position in the personal computer (PC) market, primarily through the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java.[1]
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joe mulligan:

so why cant the US go against Apple like MS in 2001?
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joe mulligan:

if simple "underground" lobbying is enough to squash the US courts, something needs to change drastically
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fred:

Then there's Qwant. Corsican search engine. They do believe in privacy for sure. There are downsides though
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Robm:

I like my old dumb watch
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DJ Terre T:

@melinda it’s funny I’ve used STARTPAGE since forever and it don’t get those ads that follow me around but as @Webmaster Henry pointed out Duck Duck Go seems pretty good too according to that websearch engine rater thing I posted above
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WebHamster Henry:

Actually, other situations for selling apps third party was much more than 30%. Basically, it is an industry wide problem. The problem for iOs is that the App Store us the only source of native apps. Third party Mac Os apps need to be certified by Apple now, even if they are not in the Mac App Store.

I got a nice big check from the Apple class action suit that paid back the 15% over the last 12 years or so.
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joe mulligan:

the price of slave labor.. a piece of total cost of ownership never calculated
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Rolando:

Mark - All your WFMU listeners want to buy you and your friends a bunch of Apple Air Tags so you can easily keep in touch with one another :)
  6:30pm
yippie:

now that apple won capitalism they are going to buy Disney World
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Fuzzy:

Just installed the DDG browser app on my Android phone -- I am using their beta tracking blocker feature that blocks ALL apps from phoning home to various trackers (Adobe, Google etc.) -- Iit's rather eye-opening to see all the various phoning home going on behind the scenes.
  6:31pm
Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

To what end? Growth to what end?
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Kevlicki:

Mark, wheres the link to join the class action suit against apple? re-privacy setting/gizmodo
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herb.nyc:

"apple is an ad company now" - i've posted this before: many years ago, even nike was frank: "we're not a sneaker company, we're a marketing company".

oh boy, wotta rip of apple. oops, i have an SE generation 2, and ipad mini
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fred:

Also, the FSF totally sold out to Apple, until Apple didn't need them anymore. The FSF had a clause against MS but gave Apple a pass on a lot. I hate them for that
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joe mulligan:

App Store search ads are a big moneymaker, competition for placing your apps to the top is big business.
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ultradamno:

Oh, the guy who gave us Elizabeth Holmes' turtleneck, I've heard of him
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fred:

And now Apple has basically bought out LLVM
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and pomes. 🍐
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DJ Terre T:

@joe mulligan- ugh truth
@rolando- 🤣😭😹
@Fuzzy- thx will look into that - u barely use any apps for that reason as well

@mark h - thx for doing this show - this is exactly how I’ve thought of Apple overpriced hardware but more private so it was worth it to me — thx for pointing out the major changes - so messed up ! Damn
  6:36pm
Dean:

So a 14-year-old is going to decide, "No, I don't want to share my location with the person offering me candy"?
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Ciggy:

What happened to that Foxconn Factory in Wisconsin
"Foxconn was lured to Wisconsin by now-former state governor Scott Walker (R) and a $3 billion tax incentive package for it to build a massive LCD manufacturing facility, which then-President Donald Trump heralded as the "eighth wonder of the world."
  6:38pm
Androu B.:

Hello Mark & Techtopical People!

Q: I switched to a flip phone 2 years ago trough a carrier called live!y. One catch: it has Alexa. But I never use "her". Is Alexa spying on my every conversation and searching my data when not in use?
  6:38pm
Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

Steve Jobs had foresight but how far?
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Kevlicki:

I presume Mark will get to Apple perusing our cloud photos to make sure we're not pedo's later in the show.
Cos you can pass all sorts of laws avoiding everyones privacy in the service of protecting "the kids"
  6:40pm
Dean:

Jobs learned what many learned early on about the need for bullet-proof security, which happened to serve well his sales model. Bravo. But I wouldn't trust at all any of his BS proclamations about privacy.
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fred:

Steve Jobs was a power mad jerk. Elon Musk like
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Rolando:

Anyone else following the "verbal war" Elon launched with Apple yesterday?
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Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

Steve Jobs had Second sight. When Steve passed away did his vision for Apple disappear?
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Scott67:

I see Apple isn't offering Twitter App in it's Store now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Fuzzy:

Musk is a fascist troll.
  6:42pm
Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

The show is about *Apple* today
  6:42pm
Dean:

It's a rerun of the corporate-effected censorship of Parler.
  6:42pm
Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

I have a MacBook and an Android phone. Just put Duck Duck Go on the phone.
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ultradamno:

Jobs really solidified the idea of a tech CEO deliberately branding themselves in the image of a Bond villain
  6:42pm
Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

@Fuzzy: hi Fuzzy! I’m wondering, how would you define fascism?
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Kevlicki:

None of you will EVER know what LPs I play on my antiquated turntable...my only solace
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Scott67:

I have a 10 year old Microsoft phone, with internet turned off, unless I really need to use it.
  6:44pm
Dean:

I bet you play LPs on the Apple label, Kevlicki.
  6:45pm
Robm:

@Scott67 twitter is still in the Apple Store
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chresti:

Ha good buddies!
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Kevlicki:

Nooooooo! don't take away my beatles records!
  6:45pm
Robm:

Hey chresti
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PaulRobeson1922:

“If you do NoT have the support of the Chinese Communist party, than friends, you have NOTHING” -M.H

Hi all!
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Scott67:

Robm, just saw a News report saying they will no longer offer it. & Musk Tweeted his disdain. Both are fucken turds!
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chresti:

me to phone-do you hear this?
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fred:

@Barefootin’ Along: Jobs' vision is alive and well: crushing all to make as much money as possible. And making you thank him for the humiliation
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Fuzzy:

@Barefootin: why are you wondering? I know you that you know that I know that you know what I mean!
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Robm:

@Scott67 source please
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Scott67:

Australian ABC News Robm.
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Handy Haversack:

Gotta get the monsters fed and start cooking for us, too. Many thanks, Mark. Another hugely important service, esp. as it provides something to point Apple users to so that they might see.

Later on, all.
  6:50pm
Barefootin’ 🌈 Along:

Fuzzy! My friend! Because definitions can change over time. To place our brief moment of history in context I’m curious how you (and everyone else in their own words) would define fascism
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Robm:

The source must have been musk, scott if twiter left the App Store would not bother me at all
  6:51pm
BigBen250:

Thank you Mark!
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Scott67:

Robm, I've never used or read a tweet mate.
  6:52pm
?:

I've got soe Empire apples in a bag on the table. Have to make something with them soon in case they are spying on me
  6:53pm
Robm:

@Scott67 I don’t take anything musk say seriously
  6:53pm
Dean:

The source is Musk: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-claims-apple-has-threatened-to-withhold-twitter-from-its-app-store/ar-AA14FdQc

I can't fathom how a huge company deciding to foreclose an avenue to a tool used by bazillions of people would be okay with anybody. I don't use that tool, I don't need it, and I don't want it. But since so many use it and, evidently, need it, I would not be happy with the prospect of Apple deciding unilaterally to render it unavailable. Same thing happened with Parler.
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PaulRobeson1922:

Americans no longer talk to each other, they entertain each other. They do not exchange ideas, they exchange images. They do not argue with propositions; they argue with good looks, celebrities and commercials. -Neil Postman
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mespr:

Thank you Mark. Apple taught me to program, but went to the dark side. I have hope and evidence that we have lots of people disassembling big tech. Including those who invented the Internet and the web.
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Carmichael:

I was gifted an iPhone over a decade ago, so I've been using them due to convenience ever since. I have definintely NOT drank the Kool Aid, though.
  6:55pm
GC in Baltimore:

Huge amount of other products and services are done here in the US by slave prison labor right here at home. Huge industry.
  6:55pm
Dean:

I learned (more or less) to program on a Wang.
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Kevlicki:

my phone is still asking me to fnish setting up my iphone, scan all sorts of biometrics, ef that
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Fuzzy:

PDP-11/70 with RSTS/E!
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fred:

Apple has been evil for 30 years, why trust them now?
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chresti:

my scanner is not working
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PaulRobeson1922:

Normalize
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
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Scott67:

Thanks Mark!🍻😎🤙💨🍺
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Deano de los Muertos:

Thanks Mark!
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ultradamno:

Choice in tech "Now or Remind Me Later"
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Carmichael:

How about a Google phone? HA ha, nowhere to run.
  6:56pm
Dean:

Now, everybody hold your tongue and say, "Apple!"
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arb:

thanks mark!
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herb.nyc:

the truth hurts. thanks for telling us, mark.
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morphe':

Thanks MH and all !!!!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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listener 126464:

Check your Chooser, thanks Mark!
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Rolando:

No lie, one of my team just called me to confirm that we are receiving a delivery of 240 x MacBook Air (M1) devices in 15 minutes , ready for next year. Sorry Mark I've well and truely invested our College into Apple hardware. Truth is my peer in other school are invested in Microsoft and Google and not much better. Apple is still the better option but admitedly they are on a very bad trajectory.
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Kevlicki:

RESIST!
  6:57pm
wind:

🙏🏽
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Fuzzy:

Thanks Mark!
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DJ Terre T:

Fantastic show Mark! So glad I had a chance to listen live!
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Carmichael:

I say we all should become Luddites. Live off the grid!!
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Fuzzy:

I can drive a tractor!
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PaulRobeson1922:

What shall be the end of this? How shall it pass away? Get up, GListeners, never mind! Get up & go thy way

Thank U, Mark! Peace&LoVe one & all
  6:59pm
wind:

Half the world already lives off grid
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Kevlicki:

iFarm
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Will thee Sound Guy:

thank you Mark Hurst!!!
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Kevlicki:

i really do!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Looking forward to reading the comments.
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Mike Sin:

Another fantastic show. I kicked Google to the curb a while ago… been using DuckDuckGo on my phone.
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