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Favoriting June 15, 2020: Jason Fried, cofounder of Basecamp, on launching Hey.com, a new email service

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Tonight: Jason Fried, cofounder of Basecamp, on launching Hey.com, a new email service

Pointers to Jason Fried:

• Hey.com

• @jasonfried (Twitter)

• Books by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson

• Past Techtonic episodes with Bron Gondwana (CEO, FastMail) and Gabriel Weinberg (CEO, DuckDuckGo - also this show)

• Big Tech, Eager To Get Bigger, Seizes Moment (by Mike Isaac in the NYT, June 14)

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  Proof that tech can be good: Jason Fried talks about launching Hey.com, a new email service that respects user privacy.
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Hey Mark! Techscampers!
  6:02pm
David in London:

Hello Technoids. Evening Mark.
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chris:

hey, Mark and techwarys. does this show come with an invite code to hey.com? :)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark and Chatterers!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Baja Joe:

Hidey Ho!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm
Bas NL:

Mark! ultradamno! Other Techtonicheys!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm
ultradamno:

Hiya Bas!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Corona virus! Murder hornets! Surveille ants!
  6:05pm
David in London:

Hey ultradamno.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, chris, Webham, Baja Joe, Bas, and KfHP! Thanks for joining in. Sorry, no invite codes, Chris!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi David!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm
ultradamno:

DiL!
  6:05pm
P-90:

Hello Mark and Hurstopians
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

I'm on panix, and you can use Squirrelmail as the web client and pine as the shell client. #oldschool
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:06pm
Megaroni:

Wow, good news! Thanks Techtonic for keeping us on the pulse of positive tech news
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi P-90, hi & thanks, Megaroni!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
Bas NL:

Swagmail is (in) the future! I love the anticipation..
  6:07pm
David in London:

Mark, I always get a slight shudder of technofear whenever you do your signature half chuckle.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

The phrase "half chuckle" does sound kind of scary
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
ultradamno:

Bisected giggle is more sinister.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry:

We'll be back to the 100% surveillance , AI Singularity, and tech evil NEXT week.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

3 letter TLD: must cost a lot!
  6:11pm
Dave Miss:

Howdy all. Or should I say HEY!
  6:12pm
?:

Hay.com sells furniture? See that should have been a rule at the beginning of the internet. Your name should have to be what you actually do. So Amazon, which does nothing to help the rainforest, would be forced to be called books.com or lotsofcrap.com or something.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Dave, hi ?
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Fredericks:

What is CRM?
  6:15pm
Buddha of Suburbia:

Hi gang!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm
Fuzzy:

Nice old disk drives -- brings back memories!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Fredericks, Buddha, Fuzzy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
Mark Hurst:

@Fredericks "customer relationship management" - basically a database of customers allowing companies/organizations to keep track of who bought (or donated) what
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Mark: gotta link to that email manifesto, or is if buried on Basecamp.com somewhere?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:17pm
Mark Hurst:

Manifesto is on the homepage of hey.com
Avatar 6:17pm
Fredericks:

Hello, Mark and Techers.
Avatar 6:18pm
Fredericks:

Thanks for the answer, Mark.
  6:19pm
Sam:

You can already block people or label them spam. I’d be more worried that I’d say no to someone by mistake and then they’d be trying to reach me about something important and not know I wasn’t getting the messages.
  6:19pm
David in London:

“Hi, I’m just reaching out to you to....hey...what....hello...hello...?”
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coelacanth∅:

no you will hear from them forever because they email you from a different source every time.
(ie solicitations for money for organisations or solicitations for life insurance...)
  6:20pm
ilTofa:

Just a test for posting comments (sorry all)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:20pm
Bas NL:

I remember the days when people exchanged emails when they had something to say... sigh...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:

I can yap about email for an hour some time if you need it. I wrote this product in the late 90s - early 2000s:
www.cisco.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:21pm
ultradamno:

Making Your Bad Habits Work For Me would be a great Country song.
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chris:

i've been in the communication and collaboration software game for several decades, and some of these features are true game changers for email. kudos.
  6:23pm
David in London:

Ultradamno. Get on the banjo and I’ll join in on the jug.
  6:25pm
ignatatus666:

Imagine if corporate sponsors approach the consumer and offer the consumer money to send them spam?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:27pm
Bas NL:

Good initiative.. but when will Google take over Hey.com?
  6:28pm
ignatatus666:

@Sam
It’s not that easy
Companies have multiple IP addresses and will send you spam via several addresses. Many of them get through the spam filter and then you have to click a link to their website for you to unsubscribe from something you never subscribed to,
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

If you don't load images, you don't get the call back through that tracking pixel. Most of the time, you don't need the images anyway.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:29pm
Mark Hurst:

@Bas I'm pretty sure that Jason and his cofounder would never sell to Google for any price. Similar to what Gabriel Weinberg told me in his first interview on Techtonic (linked at left)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

Proxying the web calls from email is a good idea!
  6:32pm
johnzo:

wasn't paying attention, is Hey.com free? I know proton costs $ right?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:34pm
Webhamster Henry:

Thumb up on remote work.
  6:35pm
johnzo:

& what was the other one? Im down to pay for email, fuck gmail... but Im definitely going for whichever one of these 3 services is cheapest lol
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:36pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@johnzo - Individual accounts are $99 per year. www.hey.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:37pm
Fuzzy:

Proton has a free basic service and a multi-level premium pay service with VPN service possibly included.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:38pm
ultradamno:

Your Market Value would be a good Gang Of Four song.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:43pm
Webhamster Henry:

There's also an ever-growing parade of cancelled Google products and ideas, basically because some other internal group made a competeing product, or it just didn't get the traction needed to satisfy the (evil) bosses.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry:

Jason should check out the Pivot For Humanity show: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:46pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham someone out there maintains the Google Graveyard, something like that - a list of the many, many cancelled products.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:47pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Mark yeah I love it, right up there like F**kedcompany used to be, but it's only one company!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:48pm
coelacanth∅:

my experience is that duckduckgo results are just as good. slightly different results, but just as good.
and their image search is much better than gobble's now.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry:

"Nobody knows if you've seen a billboard" --> except they now probably have cameras in them.
  6:49pm
P-90:

High Quality interview.
  6:49pm
Dave Miss:

Good interview
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:50pm
Mark Hurst:

@P-90 @Dave thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:50pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham I had the same thought - thinking about (Google-owned) LinkNYC surveillance kiosks here in NYC, each with 3 hidden cameras.
  6:50pm
David in London:

Godspeed to Jason, good interview.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm
Webhamster Henry:

Google reads your emails for several reasons, one of which is just to train AIs in your native language.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm
lukavino:

great interview, Mark. i’ve used Basecamp in past work lives and loved using it/dig their philosophy. Hey sounds worth a free trial at the very least.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:53pm
Webhamster Henry:

It might be time for an another interview-less week to catch up with the tech news.
  6:53pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

Good program, Mark. If one switches from Gmail to e.g. hey.com, what happens if you get email from someone with a gmail addr? Sorry if yiu covered that, I had to miss a few minutes of the program.
  6:54pm
laluna:

Googles dismissed https://killedbygoogle.com/
  6:57pm
David in London:

Thanks Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Mark Hurst:

@lukavino thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

... and Hop on Hay!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham you read my mind earlier today - been thinking the same thing
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Mark Hurst:

@Peter they cover that, I think, on the FAQ at hey.com
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
ultradamno:

That pareidolia pic looks smug.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultra it's watching you... smugly
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teod:

@Peter A normal email sent between any user and a gmail user will be visible by Google. I believe their terms of service grant them the ability to scan the messages. So they shouldn't have your entire collection of email, but may be able to track some information about your email as the sender. Also, Jason Fried mentioned that Hey will block trackers, meaning Google and other companies will gain less or no information when you open emails containing trackers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
chris:

thanks, Mark. great interview. thanks to Jason and the Basecamp crew for another great product.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:58pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

(Hey) ... stupid autocorrect
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

@chris @Bas @David thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

@coel thanks
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
ultradamno:

One that isn't twitter.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

The kid in the workin' from home gif looks like he's singing along
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Fuzzy:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Fuzzy & everyone!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:01pm
ultradamno:

The top pic woman need a full desktop for a cold, medium, hot internet experience
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:09pm
Petricole:

Just got home from work - ready to sink into some Tibetan momos for the first time in months (!) which I expect will pair immaculately with today's show. Thanks Mark and crew. Hope everyone is doing alright.
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