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Options November 9, 2020: The election and Big Tech

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Tonight: The election and Big Tech

Pointers:

Dear Joe Biden: Don't Listen to Silicon Valley (Roger McNamee, past Techtonic guest, in Wired, July 9, 2020): "The problems with Silicon Valley's largest companies, especially the internet platforms, are not occasional or inadvertent. They are systemic and intentional. Hate speech, disinformation, and conspiracy theories are the meticulously engineered lubricants that maximize revenue for Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter. The decline of journalism has happened because Google and Facebook found a way to insert themselves between media companies and their audience, and then to siphon off advertising dollars. The explosion and influence of extremist groups on Facebook are not an accident; they are the result of conscious choices. Facebook's internal research revealed that its own recommendations account for 64 percent of registrations to Facebook Groups focused on extremist topics. Rather than change policy, management did nothing. The convenience of Amazon Prime, Uber, and Postmates (now an Uber subsidiary) results in part from exploitative labor practices. The flaws of new products like facial recognition and AI are not inevitable; they result from a culture that ships products at the earliest possible moment, without consideration for the impact on the people who use or are affected by them. These examples just scratch the surface."

Jason Kint, today, Nov 9: "Including Google's Eric Schmidt in a position of influence is prob the most likely stumble this administration could have walking in the door. It would be turning over a critical set of issues in our economy and information sphere to financial influence." Kint attaches this FT excerpt:



• Below, from Seth MacFarlane, Nov 3, 2020:



Kamala Harris and the ascent of Silicon Valley (my column from Aug 13, 2020): "What are the chances that someone funded by Facebook, Salesforce, LinkedIn, Kleiner, Apple, Twitter, Netflix and Zynga money is going to call for any restructuring of their business models?"

Does Section 230's Sweeping Immunity Enable Big Tech Bad Behavior? (U.S. Senate Commerce Committee, Oct 28, 2020), featuring Jack Dorsey, Sundar Pichai, and Mark Zuckerberg. Quoted: Senator Gary Peters of Michigan with Mark Zuckerberg, who claims not to know anything about a blockbuster WSJ article on the racist group-recommendation algorithm (which I write about here).

Jack Dorsey Hires Homeless Man Off Streets Of San Francisco To Fill In For Him At Hearings (Babylon Bee, Oct 28, 2020)

• Along with our outtro comes this closing piece of advice:



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Listener comments!

Avatar 6:00pm Fredericks:

Hey yo tech No!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives: hotsie motsie, is it good to be with you all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonidents Elect!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Bas NL:

Mark! Techtoniclections!
  6:01pm WFMU listener john:

Hello fellow techies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm melinda:

hi Mark and friends!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Out techtodemons out!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Threemoons:

Awesome opener....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Handy Haversack:

From your fingers to TECHNODEITIES' input circuits, Ken.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Howdy Mark and folks!

Mark - You probably saw last week that (literally) around the time of last week's show Spotify unveiled its new pay to play scam.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

It's kind of noisy in the Sports Closet tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm dave miss:

Howdy techies
  6:05pm Andy:

Thank you so much for playing Van Jones.
  6:05pm Andy:

Sincerely!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm YETI BOB:

that's an excellent Venn diagram there
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Handy Haversack:

Is it Hayes the other one who lost the popular vote?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm ultradamno:

Yep, Ruthie B. himself
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm melinda:

I like the Seth McFarlane quote.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Handy Haversack:

New York City and Bloom County are, oddly, in the same election district.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm YETI BOB:

@Handy: there are 5 who lost the popular vote - en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Crudbringer:

Are you talking about Ronald Grump? The Grouch that built an entire swamp in one day? The developer/entrepreneur that created the Grump Towers candominium?
  6:10pm WFMU listener john:

We all knew who the this thing is
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm ultradamno:

He had been a national disgrace long enough before being elected though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm listener james from westwood:

Gotta be V-J Day for something on this scale, not just in NYC but in other major cities.
  6:10pm castor:

Obama's election
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Webhamster Henry:

So was all the plywood put up in case of a Trump victory or a Biden victory?
  6:12pm WFMU listener john:

And i have a feeling that trump is going to start a shooting war with China
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Handy Haversack:

Yah, YB, it was a sloppy question: the one who's alone in the green with Bush.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm listener james from westwood:

Eisenhower?
  6:14pm WFMU listener john:

Mark trump has never been generous about anything
  6:14pm ?:

It wasn't as spontaneous, but my memory of anything approaching this is when Nelson Mandela came to NYC in 1990...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Handy Haversack:

Plywood was put up by cops bribing property owners to act scared in order to make cops seem important, Henry.

Is a hypothesis.
  6:15pm ignatatus666:

Hillary left the building when she lost. She left her supporters flat. I thought that was horrible. I also don’t remember her concession spea h.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Ike:

@john@6:12, nah, they'd take away his bank account. Remember we recently found out he pays more taxes to China than to us.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Webhamster Henry:

Trump didn't have a victory speech and Hilary didn't have a concession speech.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm ultradamno:

McCain lost, in no small part, for choosing a wildly incompetent, gaffe prone, obnoxious buffoon for a running mate. Imagine that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining. @igna @Webham I don't want to get into the 2016 events but I do indeed remember watching Hillary's concession speech live.
  6:17pm ignatatus666:

Headed to work
Got my ears on
Have a great week Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm melinda:

I'm relieved that Biden won but fear that Trump lowered the bar so much that people will be numbed to the threat still posed by Big Tech influence within a Biden administration, among other things.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Mark Hurst:

@melinda totally agree and will be speaking to that in a moment.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Man, this is hard to follow. Too many big words and not enough USA USA chants. ;)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm ultradamno:

@melinda ...and provided a roadmap for more sophisticated potential authoritarians.
Avatar 6:19pm Joe McG:

Wow, Mark, what a terrific concession speech!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Deborah:

Just so concerned that the bloviating buffoon will somehow use his henchpeople to block the election.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm ultradamno:

@tim or 'lock ____ up' chants
  6:20pm WFMU listener john:

@Ike don’t be too sure and now going to lurk for the rest of the show
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Deborah:

Election results, I mean. I read that some trump colleagues are trying to talk to the narcissistic, evil bastard.
  6:21pm ?:

@ultrsadamno ah, VPs some say potatoe some say pototae
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Ike:

@ultradamno@6:16, actually no, I think he might have lost by a larger margin if he hadn't picked a nationalist populist anti-intellectual maniac which helped fire up the base, and that was a flashing warning light that nobody paid much attention to. Vicious, mindless anti-intellectualism is a core element of America.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm ultradamno:

That is certainly not how I recall it, Ike.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Handy Haversack:

Well put, Melinda! I hear so many people now hoping that what comes next is "calm" or "back to normal." The status quo is surveillance capitalism, deadly extraction capitalism, and a foundational racial violence -- that's the status quo Biden has always supported.

Arrrgh.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm ultradamno:

Palin was a slow motion disaster and provided McCain no substantial boost whatsoever. The single most significant misstep of his political career.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm iiibeat:

We need a 3 or 5 person Federal Executive in Office. 3 or 5 different parties represented. So much attention on 1 person is unpatriotic.
  6:25pm ?:

@Deborah VP Quayle - potatoe
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm melinda:

@Handy yes. On the one hand I don't want to deny anyone their feelings of jubilation right now but I'm not feeling it myself.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm ultradamno:

Not even my favorite Quayle gaffe...that would probably be when they sent him to Pago Pago (which tells you something right off) and he spent all day calling it Pogo Pogo.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Handy Haversack:

And that concentration of people among the Big Tech cos. and government has also done an incredible amount of heavy lifting in the concentration of wealth and the income disparity in this country. Even as capitalists, they're cheaters.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm ultradamno:

@melinda I had jubilation (a new sensation for me, can't say I cared for it) for about half an hour before I started worrying about what crazy thing Trump was going to do in response to it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm ultradamno:

The election being called, not my jubilation
  6:30pm WFMU listener john:

@Handy this is why I voted third party because the two so called front runners SUCK
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm WR:

They need to realize the Big Tech & Science are not the same.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Webhamster Henry:

Big Tech are - surprise - big money.
  6:32pm Johnzo:

who's celebrating & feeling positive about the Biden administration... I thought everyone was just celebrating dumping Trump is anyone actually looking forward to Biden...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Deborah:

@? Quayle was harmless. Our current moron in chief is dangerous.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park:

California Prop. 22 passed with 58% of the vote. Drivers for the app-based transportation companies are independent contractors and receive no benefits plan.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm diciassette:

^ that it did :(
  6:33pm Johnzo:

hold a politician accountable once they're elected? good luck with that.
  6:34pm Annette Marie:

Bernie was planning to break up big tech. I heard something about that toward the end of his candidacy. Wonder if that's significant?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm ultradamno:

I'm happy Biden won, not only because Trump lost but also because someone associated with the Obama administration won, which must drive him extra nuts. It's the little things in life...
  6:36pm Annette Marie:

#EndCitizensUnited would go a long way toward ending the corporate ownership of our country. Is it impossible to achieve? For the rightwing nonstop 24/7 brainwipe: #RenewFairnessDoctrine. And #ReinstateVotingRightsAct
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Baja Joe:

Hiya Mark. Listening intently here in Staten island. Good that someone is making these points about the incoming administration. I would like to add that it was oddly and almost eerily quiet here on Staten Island on Saturday when the good news hit. My family always feel like "outsiders" and we are all very guarded when talking to anyone here since most of the residents here overwhelmingly support "him." Let me get back to listening...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Ike:

The Fairness Doctrine?! That was never actually enforced, and always went on the honor system. With thousands of times as many media outlets now as there were back then, it's even more unenforceable than ever.
  6:41pm Efrain:

This is the trade off when you use a “free” platform. If we want a neutral platform then we will need a pay to use service not dependent on ads because when a service is dependent on ads then it will always seek to increase users time spent and therefore push suggestions related to the users’ interests.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm ultradamno:

Boy, he really makes "I agree with that concern" sound like "I don't care"
  6:43pm Annette Marie:

Facebook DID just end a 330,000 member brand-new group, "Don't Steal the Vote" full of conspiracy theories about the Dems "stealing" this election.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Webhamster Henry:

FWIW: There is a MeWe WFMU group.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Well, at least one former Oval Office employee was tossed from the Tweeter for saying the heads of some people need to be placed on pikes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm melinda:

@Efrain good point
  6:46pm The Butterman:

I say the Zuk hair is fair play! This guy is the biggest douche there is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Go Sen Klobuchar!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Megaroni:

Thank you Techtonic for calling out these crimes ! May justice come for them!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Carmichael:

If you're not the consumer, you're the product.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm melinda:

That was a good sound of disgust right before the mike banging
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm ultradamno:

Your cousin's baby is a socialist.
  6:50pm The Butterman:

Never been on or even looked at Facebook. I use tech but not that shit. Wife is addicted to looking at it. Mostly makeup vids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Webhamster Henry:

MARKED SAFE FROM SOCIALISM
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Ike:

One of the seemingly copycat "Stop the Steal" FB groups was a honeypot that pulled an awesome stunt and changed its name to "Gay Communists for Socialism" after 40k Trumpeters had joined: www.theguardian.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Bas NL:

What would be a good business model for social media?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm Carmichael:

@Bas, GED Match.
  6:54pm Annette Marie:

Totally get that Facebook's big show of removing Stop the Steal, it's similar to the rich and their pet charities as an excuse to continue raping the planet or war for profit, etc. I totally believe in regulation. We have rules in sports, don't we?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm melinda:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm hoeg:

"hitting my head on the mic", made my night! thanks:-) bye
  6:57pm Live Radio:

Do I recall a call-in aspect to this show?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Stillwell Coney Islander:

Thank you Mark! For another riveting program
I find it very hard to leave Facebook because of my grandchildren. Maybe one day...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm melinda:

Aw, I didn't know about Alex, that's sad. What an icon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark! This was good Jeremiading!

Be well, Techyons.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, good comments tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Webhamster Henry:

There's a Jeopardy fan site that has every question in every show ever. www.j-archive.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Webhamster Henry:

I used to play the Jeopardy wait theme while waiting for conference calls to connect.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Webhamster Henry:

Till next time!
  7:04pm P-90:

Another good one, @Mark. Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:34pm ARB:

Mark, Thanks for being such a badass. I usually catch you in the archives & your show means a lot to me. I really enjoyed this episode and always appreciate your insight!
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