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Favoriting August 24, 2020: Katie Mack, author, "The End of Everything"

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Tonight: Katie Mack, author, "The End of Everything"

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The End of Everything (Astrophysically Speaking), by Katie Mack

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Lucifer's Hammer, by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

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  Katie Mack, author of "The End of Everything," on the end of the universe
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Favoriting Machinarium Soundtrack  No label 
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  Mark's intro      
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  Interview with Katie Mack      
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  Mark's comments after the interview      
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Eric Bibb and Needed Time  Just Keep Goin' On   Favoriting World Playground - A Musical Adventure For Kids  Putumayo Kids 
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtillenarians!
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Webhamster Henry:

Oh Good, a show to go with "The End OF NYC".
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicinothcet's!
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iiibeat:

Can traces of our universe continue on via ripples through the multiverse?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultra @Webham @iiibeat hi!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi @Bas, sabih!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Good Summer evening ya’ll! The Pigeon sent me
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Mark Hurst:

@PaulR, welcome, fellow glistener!
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iiibeat:

Yo.
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listener james from westwood:

Katie Mack!! Outstanding Twitter follow of mine!
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lukavino:

Mark, i got my Techtonic Tips on saturday, what a lovely little booklet.
  6:06pm
David in London:

Hello Technoids, London calling. Evening Mark.
Hey ultradamno.
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Mark Hurst:

@lukavino - thanks! Credit also to Greg Harrison for the excellent graphic design.
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Mark Hurst:

@James yes she's great
@DiL thanks for joining!
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TDK60:

Hello Mark.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, Mark. I'm backing the Giant Meteor 2020 platform!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Bas NL:

You'll get great odds if you place a bet.
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Mark Hurst:

@TDK good to see you!
@KfHP you'll want to stay tuned to the playlist to the end of the show
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chris:

it will call us squishy, and squishy will be our name.
hi, Mark and folks.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Yay! Or maybe I should I say "Oh dear"?
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Mark Hurst:

hey @chris!
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dave miss:

Howdy techies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

welcome, dave
  6:11pm
David in London:

Mark, you may not necessarily be up to speed on student grade assessment here in the U.K. this summer, but an algorithm was very publicly applied and it ended up as a spectacular clusterfuck of epic proportions sufficient to force a rapid government climb-down.
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Mark Hurst:

@DiL I actually got the audio of the protest chant - muting every third word makes it not really usable on-air - but YES i'd like to talk about that situation at some point
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queems:

i just burst into tears over wasted cat medicine so idk if i can handle end of the world cyborgs today
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Webhamster Henry:

BTW the intelligent Robot Takeover and subsequent slaughter of humans is the central plot point of DC Comics' Superman villain Braniac.(back in the 60s)
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ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
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Mark Hurst:

hi @queems, well, I'm happy you're here!
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Webhamster Henry:

I think we'll nuke each other first ... or the AIs will ("The Doomsday Machine")
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queems:

thanks mark hurst, i'm glad murderous cyborgs aren't yet
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chris:

but the changes to the night sky will be kinda cool for the final humans on earth.
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iiibeat:

If we don't redistribute wealth and put AI into subservience for the benefit of all . . The oligarchs will exploit their dominance toward the chance of a Matrix like subservience. Human batteries.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Snake Plisskin? Oh, end of the universe.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

"That won't happen for billions of years, Alvy!"
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iiibeat:

This is the ONLY reason I would have liked to see Bernie Sanders as president.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
PaulRobeson1920:

No end and no beginning . It all has always been and always shall be, babyyy
  6:18pm
Dave Miss:

Hi Queems
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PaulRobeson1920:

Haha... To everything, Turn, Turn, Turn
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ultradamno:

Eyeball planets for the future nautil.us...
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Chud:

Hi all!
Mark, have you ever read anything by Greg Egan?
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(Murakami Whywolf))):

Sure, but what about one-loop instability in the very metric itself?
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Mark Hurst:

@Chud not yet! Is there something in particular by Egan you'd recommend?
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iiibeat:

David Bohm
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Bas NL:

Never heard that before..
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iiibeat:

The film "Infinite Potential" about him is on YouTube
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Chud:

@Mark I thought 'Diaspora' treated a post-human existence in an interesting way
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iiibeat:

There is always unknown influence.
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northguineahills:

Talk about the Big Crunch just made me hungry, I should eat...
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Another way for life on Earth to perish — a Gamma-ray burst.
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coelacanth∅:

hahaha the universe will not ever end! what a silly idea! the idea contradicts the definition of the word "universe".

...our little world, as far as we can imagine it may end.
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PaulRobeson1920:

In regards to The Bomb- Einstein cautioned that "we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe." Nuclear armament is madness... And so it goes
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ultradamno:

Reminds me of the initial theory that the atomic bomb might set the atmosphere on fire.
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northguineahills:

thanks for addresseing (con)CERN conspiracies....
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Carmichael:

The universe may not ever end, but mankind can make it stop.
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PaulRobeson1920:

What The Bomb will do is kill every women, man, and child east of the Mississippi river in the first ten minutes of a nuclear conflict! (To paraphrase Kennedy)
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coelacanth∅:

and a "parallel universe" would be just part of the universe.
they really should come up with a term that makes sense.
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ultradamno:

@paul Well, sure. There are upsides.
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(((Murakami Whywolf):

Yeah, many-worlds is basically useless for science fiction because all these universes are causally disconnected from each other, with no communication or travel between them possible—the hypothesis doesn't give you anything useful otherwise.
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coelacanth∅:

ultra d haha
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coelacanth∅:

"mars colonizers" are more foolish than "flat earthers"
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Carmichael:

We can always just shift to another universe ...
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ultradamno:

Venus may have once been more habitable than Mars ever was but for global warming www.nasa.gov...
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northguineahills:

If quatum foam actually shows anything (according to theorists), there are other 'universes' w/ different physical properties, (not to be confused w/ the multiverse theory)>
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coelacanth∅:

i guess "everything" could end, as long as it remains true that the entire universe revolves around humans. (particularly humans who reside in the united states)
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dave miss:

Here’s to our dark section of LANIAKEA! Here here!
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northguineahills:

@Mark: See the books series/TV show, 'The Expanse"
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Some are probably claiming the air is on fire in the CZU conflagration currently raging in California.
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Carmichael:

"You can't fix stupid."
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chresti:

They want to escape?
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PaulRobeson1920:

Buckminster Fuller wrote about spaceship earth. We have enough on Earth for 100% of humanity. We must move from investments in Killingly towards livingry... Where is that vision today?
  6:50pm
Sporadic Disturbance:

But .... humankind isn't of any importance in the grand scheme of things. We are simply irrelevant. Let's not kid ourselves. Enjoy what you have for now. It isn't so bad.
  6:50pm
Old Dave:

Amen, Brother
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ultradamno:

A theme ('consciousness transference') on the netflix show Hemlock Grove.
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TDK60:

Good show. Big questions.
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(((Murakami Whywolf):

Well, they (and other rich people) have long been pushing the line that they are the Great Guys From Whom All Blessings Flow. That is to say, Randroidism, to one extent or another.

However, I must say that I am a transhumanist. Why? Because I've met humans, and I know one of them from the inside, and I don't think a Serengeti Mark II brain is adequate to the level of power we've got.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Bezos and the gang probably want to start a Rollerball league next year.
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ultradamno:

Though it seems to me if you put your consciousness in another body/robot/'puter whatever and your body dies, you're still dead.
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PaulRobeson1920:

I wonder if the Mars folks have read Any Ray Bradbury?
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Carmichael:

Jah na thin!
Jah na thin!
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(Murakami Whywolf))):

If you like Niven, just imagine that Pournelle wrote most of that book. They've also got one, "Fallen Angels", written with Michael Flynn, in which Global Winter has happened, and environmentalists who wanted to limit carbon emissions are the villains.
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coelacanth∅:

Paul they've already arranged a "welcoming party". barbecue and everything
  6:53pm
Listener Robert:

"Lucifer's Hammer" was also the most hilariously politically incorrect novel imaginable! I won't spoil it, but by the time you get to the last pages, you'll know. I'm pretty sure Jerry Pournelle did intend the satire.
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PaulRobeson1920:

Gotta LoVE WFMU
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Carmichael:

To Better Serve Man.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Think Exploration is definitely in our nature
- but to discount the astonishingly unique Jewel that is Earth & the evolution of Life - the whole Environment right here - is a catastrophic vacuum event within the mind, heart & conscience of Homo Sapiens here already & now.
Terraforming another undeserving planet is so far out ahead of us @ present it's essentially Captain Nemo pathology to consider it within our foreseeable grasp in any probable way.
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(((Murakami Whywolf):

ultradamno:
Their argument is that it's as much death as falling asleep and waking-up. I'll reserve judgement until I get the opportunity.
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

- and therefore the Greatest radio station in the UNIVERSE
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! I have lots more to read now.
  6:56pm
David in London:

When those Thai kids were trapped in that watery cave, which came damned near becoming their watery grave, Musk was babbling on uselessly about mini submarines. It actually took a couple of highly skilled divers, who managed to effect the rescue. That was a classic corrective to the tech myth, there no substitute for a skilled, brave person with a desire to help others in the physical world.
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Mark Hurst:

@coel agreed!
  6:56pm
David in London:

Thanks Mark.
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chris:

thanks, Mark!
  6:56pm
Baja Joe:

Great show Mark. Most interesting. Really.
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Mark Hurst:

@DiL good example
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(Murakami Whywolf))):

Listener Robert:
No, I think Pournelle might have hammed it up to better troll decent folk, but I think he devoutly (he was some sort of Catholic, I gather, even though there's this story I heard in which he was bent on adultery) believed in the opinions of the 'Good' Guys in that book.
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ultradamno:

Unless they were pedos.
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Mark Hurst:

@Baja Joe thanks!
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Michael in Montclair:

Thanks Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

Amen, David
  6:57pm
Sporadic Disturbance:

Great show Mark. Big thanks.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks for being with us, @Michael i. M.
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Mark Hurst:

appreciate it, Sporadic!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
  6:59pm
Listener Robert:

Those of you who migth want to know, I'll put in vertical spoiler space re Lucifer:






























The heroes use nuclear power, fight with poison gas, and wind up enslaving the bad guys, who are mostly black.
























































end
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PaulRobeson1920:

Good stuff
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(((Murakami Whywolf):

Yup, I still say Pournelle was laying it on thick to troll, but basically believed all that stuff might be appropriate. Note that from the early '80s on he was on one or two 'defence' advisory boards.

As an example, I'd say that he would firmly deny being racist, but blame their culture and White Liberals for making those black people the bad guys not up to Saving the World.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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