WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from August 17, 2020

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from August 17, 2020

Conversations with creators and thinkers who are charting the way forward in a tech-saturated society. In our shift to a digital future, we need alternatives to Big Tech. Homepage: techtonic.fm

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Upcoming events:

Mon. Jul 14th, 6pm - 7pm: Duncan Moench on “soylent screens” and producerism (More info...)
Writer Duncan Moench argues that society today is dominated by “soylent screens,” the addictive digital devices that treat humans as a resource to be exploited. There is an alternative, though, an old but newly relevant economic system called “producerism.”
Mon. Jul 21st, 6pm - 7pm: Daniel Solove, author, "On Privacy and Technology" (More info...)
Threats to our privacy are everywhere and the law isn't keeping up. And courts often favor corporations over citizens who have been harmed. Daniel Solove, the most-cited law professor on privacy and technology, joins Mark to discuss his new book "On Privacy and Technology."
Mon. Aug 18th, 6pm - 7pm: Stu Horvath guest hosts Techtonic

August 17, 2020: Elaine Kasket, author, "All the Ghosts in the Machine" - on the afterlife of data

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Tonight: Elaine Kasket, author, "All the Ghosts in the Machine"

Pointers:

• All the Ghosts in the Machine: The Digital Afterlife of your Personal Data, by Elaine Kasket

• Elaine Kasket's website

• @elainekasket (Twitter)

• Google's Selfish Ledger video (leaked in 2018 by The Verge)

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Artist	Track	Approx. start time
Elaine Kasket, author, "All the Ghosts in the Machine," on the digital afterlife of data.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	0:00:08 (Pop-up)
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"	0:00:54 (Pop-up)
	Interview with Elaine Kasket "Interview with Elaine Kasket"	0:10:15 (Pop-up)
	Mark's comments on Google's selfish ledger	0:44:55 (Pop-up)
Mecha Maiko	End of Your Life "End of Your Life" by "Mecha Maiko"	0:56:29 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 ♥ 6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtoltergeists!
	6:00pm queems: hello mark hurst and all, greetings from my vacation
	♥ 6:01pm lukavino: i got a paid protonmail account this weekend, please clap.
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Techtonicgins!
	♥ 6:01pm Mark Hurst: Hi ultra, hi queems, hi lukavino (clap clap)
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark! Techyon Drives! Hello! queems! Congrats on vacationeering! Hey, ultradamno!
	♥ 6:01pm Mark Hurst: queems, thx for making this part of your vacay
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Much clapping, lukavino!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm dave miss: Huzzah!
	♥ 6:02pm Mark Hurst: Hi Bas, hi Handy!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm ultradamno: Hiya Handy!
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Thee are bots listening to your show too!
	6:02pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: Good Morning from a sunny morning in Austalia. Roly
	♥ 6:02pm Carmichael: Just back from vacation, 80 degree Portland to this 112 degree hellhole. Stay where you are.
	🤖 ♥ 6:02pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:03pm queems: thanks @handy! i already threatened my mom that i would leave twice and i’ve only been here 24 hours so we’re off to a good start!!
	♥ 6:03pm Mark Hurst: @webham, @roland, @carmichael, @james hello & thx for joining
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Handy Haversack: Attaway, queems! Stick to your guns!
	🤖 ♥ 6:08pm Webhamster Henry: I have a number of dead Facebook friends.
	♥ 6:08pm melinda: @lukavino congrats! I'm thinking about it.
	♥ 6:09pm Franco Twinkie: Mark, that reveal brings a funny image to mind: A family sitting around a computer screen - dad smoking a pipe, mom knitting and the kids on playing on the floor, but everyone completely captivated by the show.
	6:10pm malĥerbo (nl): Wow! Damn! Thanks Mark.
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: When my friend Nik died in 1999, I had access to his email account. It didn't help figure out why he killed himself though.
	🤖 ♥ 6:10pm Bas NL: Have a Zoom-off?
	6:11pm Sam: People should quit Facebook just before they die. That would solve it.
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm Handy Haversack: The uncanny valley in the room being that early Black Mirror ep. where they give you an android programmed based on your dead loved one's public social media presence.
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: My aunt died last month and we had a zoomified gravesite service.
	🤖 ♥ 6:11pm ultradamno: So this isn't going to be about Ben Carson tweeting from beyond the grave?
	♥ 6:11pm Mark Hurst: @Handy that specific episode gets a whole chunk of a chapter in Kasket's book
	🤖 ♥ 6:12pm ultradamno: Ben Carson...I meant Herman Cain. Ben only seems dead.
	♥ 6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow - World's Biggest Cemetery...
	♥ 6:14pm Franco Twinkie: A secure back up system to protect your legacy is boxes full of paper all over your house. Works for me!
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: It's hard enough dealing with real and intellectual property - what about your Adobe licenses!
	🤖 ♥ 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Franco, I add oily rags and cat hair for maximal security.
	🤖 ♥ 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: Data retention laws differ by jurisdiction.
	6:16pm moish: is this live?
	6:17pm jumana: digital asset planning shudder. all we'll have to plan for are our agreement to t&cs we never read
	♥ 6:17pm Franco Twinkie: Handy, you are ahead of most people in this regard. Relax and have some ice cream.
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm Handy Haversack: @Mark, that episode tears Kate up. Those early Black Mirror eps. cut close to the bone. We think she cried for a solid half hour the first time we watched it. @moish, no recorded within the last day or so.
	6:17pm Sam: Death and Facebook don’t mix. In fact anything meaningful and Facebook don’t mix. Facebook is for trivial nonsense. When stuff gets real, it’s got to be real for real.
	♥ 6:17pm coelacanth∅: i keep my personal artifacts in an old volvo rotting out in the yard
	♥ 6:18pm Mark Hurst: @coel good secure storage. Volvos are known for safety...
	🤖 ♥ 6:18pm Handy Haversack: Pro move, coela!
	♥ 6:18pm Franco Twinkie: Coel, great minds think alike.
	♥ 6:19pm Mark Hurst: @Handy I thought that was one of the most accurate and profound examples of any movie/TV/video about digital tech.
	🤖 ♥ 6:19pm ultradamno: Speaking of Black Mirror, the Adult Swim show Robot Chicken did a pretty funny send-up of Bandersnatch in what I think was their most recent new show. Dvořák getting impatient.
	♥ 6:20pm Franco Twinkie: Love letters? We varnish them onto the living room wall!
	♥ 6:20pm Ike: @ultradamno@6:12, that was ultra-weird, right? Whoever was running his account tried to make it less weird by changing the name on the account from "Herman Cain" to "The Cain Gang", but... still weird.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Bas NL: Mmm.. I'd better start ditching some old letters..
	6:21pm northguineahills: Holas Mark and friends. At work, checking in.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Webhamster Henry: It's the old "burn my novel after I die!" problem.
	🤖 ♥ 6:21pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Techulators. Years ago, the problem was trying to get dead peoples' magazine subscriptions to stop.
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm ultradamno: Maybe they thought they could make Covid seem like less of a big deal if you can still tweet after dying of it.
	🤖 ♥ 6:22pm Handy Haversack: Hey, ngh, Ken. Mark, yes, agreed. That Black Mirror ep. is a high-water mark in the massive-warning-signs industry!
	♥ 6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Just saw that Zuck is worth $100Billion. He's a billionaire - 100 times. No one can touch him. In any way. Imagine if Competition were possible...
	🤖 ♥ 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: I have a problem in general about the dead controlling the possessions and disposition possibilities for lives of the survivors forever after they die.
	6:27pm Fredericks: Where are you, Carmichael?
	♥ 6:27pm Franco Twinkie: Lawyer up while you still can.
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Handy Haversack: I would want any inheritance tax to be at least 90 percent ... but I assume the govt. already owns all of our digital legacy here in the USA. They don't need 190 percent of it.
	♥ 6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Like this Author ~ Speaker very much. The background in psychotherapy is refreshing - as the divide between Tech & Humanity is emerging as a real crux of the biscuit. She seems well equipped to address it. Intersection with Monopoly...
	6:32pm Sam: You can’t blame Facebook for this. You have to blame people for buying into this nonsense that Facebook matters more than anything else. The whole idea of a Facebook memorial is ridiculous. You might as well have your funeral at a Chuckie Cheese. You have to separate the sacred from the profane.
	6:33pm P-90: She’s spot on re: Twitter and “memorialization”
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm Handy Haversack: Let us package and sell your grief back to you.
	♥ 6:33pm Franco Twinkie: It's funny how dead idiots can ruin your day. It takes time and a lot of uncomfortable questions to make sure snipers don't take you out from beyond the grave.
	6:34pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: Outsourcing the protection of hens to foxes.
	6:34pm northguineahills: Oh, and a belated buenas tardes a Elaine Oh, and Kenzo, please do a different spellcheck so non-English words are impossible to spell so I don’t get an aneurysm.
	♥ 6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...like last week about Feudalism was surprisingly much about real estate - this week about online real estate Feudalism: What are people for ??? (A good follow-up.)
	♥ 6:36pm coelacanth∅: Right On Sam
	♥ 6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Bill of Digital Rights
	♥ 6:38pm Franco Twinkie: Don't store photos on the Icloud, store them in the ice box.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm Bas NL: Maybe social media can have a mechanism where passwords are sent to next of kin if the account owner has not logged in for some time..
	🤖 ♥ 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Many years ago, I transferred a bunch of floppies from one format to another of bbs posts from a man who died for his girlfriend.
	♥ 6:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Digital Will as a Feature.
	♥ 6:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...which is a Post Antitrust dream - as we're product while alive already...
	♥ 6:43pm chris: hi, Mark and folks. Mark, this show is a public service. thank you!
	♥ 6:43pm Mark Hurst: thanks, chris
	♥ 6:43pm coelacanth∅: my passwords are all on each of 2 pieces of paper, which i've told one person where to find. (2 locations) i'm not worried; it doesn't really matter. ...and no one else's security is at risk by someone else having access to all my accounts.
	6:44pm JJ NY-SC: I have a friend who was on the original Compassion team at Facebook. I told her that it no longer exists.
	♥ 6:45pm chris: omg, is that a vi reference in that photo?
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Cp304: Hey Mark, I’ll have to catch archive I got carried away shopping while having the jungle room in my ear
	♥ 6:46pm Mark Hurst: indeed it is
	6:46pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia: As always - Wow. Thanks Elaine.
	6:46pm sufferwords: Mark don’t usually chime in during the show - cuz i’m actually listening - just know your efforts are so appreciated and have really helped shape my view of the digisphere
	♥ 6:46pm chris: <dons propeller beanie>
	♥ 6:49pm Mark Hurst: @sufferwords thanks!
	6:49pm P-90: “... a Lamarckism epigenome” what a load of CRAP
	♥ 6:50pm Franco Twinkie: All my passwords are only in my brain, and I forgotten all of them, so I guess I'm safe.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm Handy Haversack: Wow, syllogism 101!
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Behavior modification can be fun!
	♥ 6:51pm Carmichael: I log into Facebook annually.
	♥ 6:51pm chris: instead of simply stalking you, we're going to make you come to us.
	♥ 6:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Much like - from sort of the opposie direction - what Terence McKenna said about Information being beyond biological evolution. Indeed - biologists sometimes say evolution is not about individual survival - it's survival of the genome...
	♥ 6:52pm melinda: @coel that's roughly my method too. I'd rather my family have direct access to my accounts rather than having to ask companies for access. Grieving people don't need extra hoops to jump through.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: This Google document is super creepy!
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Bas NL: One day surveillance cameras will only see other surveillance cameras.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: "The Ledger" how it's thought up and implemented can already be a Black Mirror episode.
	🤖 ♥ 6:54pm ultradamno: I've noticed You Tube throwing items calculated to inflame me into engaging in a flame war in my front page recommendations
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Since they've already metaphorically confused genes with parasites, I assume they don't know that "Lamarckian" just means "wrong and dumb"?
	♥ 6:55pm chris: this is truly black-mirror-level creepiness, Henry. you're spot on.
	♥ 6:56pm melinda: The background music is so soothing, indicating that they only have our best interests in mind.
	♥ 6:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I have thot that A.I. Composers (now) will eventually have A.I. Listeners... OK so CyberVampires...
	6:56pm P-90: ALL of these metaphors and models appropriated from evolutionary theory are total bullshit in this context.
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Mark! Another necessary thing. Man, some poet out there could make a mint as a metaphor consultant to Big Tech. Those people are lost without a nap.
	6:56pm two tigers: Scary future
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Time flies!
	♥ 6:57pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Mark. Top shelve, always.
	6:57pm Old Dave: Thanks for scaring the hell out of me once again, Mark. One needs that reminder... as if things weren't bad enough.
	♥ 6:58pm Mark Hurst: Thanks for joining, everyone!
	6:58pm P-90: Another good one. Thanks, Mark!
	♥ 6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Just when I was about to digitize my favorite coffee cup...
	♥ 6:58pm chris: wow, i'm totally creeped out now. thanks, Mark. lots to think about here.
	6:58pm two tigers: Reminds me of KGB when i was growing up
	♥ 6:59pm coelacanth∅: ultra d i've noticed that too, and i don't even use youboob much... and gobble almost not at all. ... they calculate how to create a flame war in the comments but still haven't figured out if i'm a democrat or a republican (which of course are the only 2 options) ...so i'm doing something right.
	6:59pm Sam: Surveil Google mercilessly! And one day we shall dance on their grave!
	♥ 7:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	♥ 7:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Elaine! Thanks skeleton crew!
	♥ 7:01pm Carmichael: I'm neither, coel.