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Favoriting August 3, 2020: The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge

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Tonight: The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge

Pointers:

This is perjury: the Big Tech hearings, summarized, my own take on the hearings

Video of Big Tech hearings on toxic YouTube - a video showing the Google CEO lying, hosted by Google!

Lies told by the Big Tech CEOs, on the Washington Post - an article about the owner of the Post lying, hosted by the Post!

U.S. Code on Perjury

Tech Companies Report Huge Profits as 40 Million Americans Face Evictions (Vice, July 31). See also Jeff Bezos's one-day gain of $7.6 billion (via Marketwatch).

@lisahmacpherson - Lisa Macpherson on Twitter

Public Knowledge

The game is rigged: A former marketer shows you how Big Tech’s advertising practices harm us all (by Lisa Macpherson in the Seattle Times, July 10)

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melinda:

hi everyone!
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Mark Hurst:

Hi Melinda!
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Handy Haversack:

Hi, Mark and all the Techyon Particles!
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Otis Fodder:

hello hello all!
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Handy Haversack:

Resend the file, Mark!
  6:03pm
Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia:

I’m not sure if I’m at the end of the previous show or at the beginning of Techtonic - Either way Hello, Hello Hello.
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonosoftiktokkers!

So if Microsoft buy out US Tik Tok, is that much of an improvement?
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olivia:

mark resend me your file for tonight's show!
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Bas NL:

Uploading.. uploading.. ;)
  6:04pm
Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia:

Hello, Hello Hello. Rushed to school this AM so I can be here at the start of Techtonic.
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Bas NL:

Super job Olivia!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

It's the New Mark, same as the Old Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Olivia! Thanks for your patience, everyone!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and Technoids!
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Otis Fodder:

Thanks Olivia, yay. Hello new Mark!
  6:08pm
Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia:

Man I love that this station is so human - just fantastic. A bit of real life ... so refreshing.
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Bas NL:

G'day Roland!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

All good, we're now underway!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, for joining in! Welcome.
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Webhamster Henry:

They are big - and not the only monopolies that need smashing.
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Sonderangebot:

Hi Mark and everyone!
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chresti:

They're on their way to their secret planet.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Well Musk is literally trying to get to Mars.
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Franco Twinkie:

Why is that not surprising Mark? That bunch of.....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
melinda:

Someone suggested that we start sating Elton Musk instead of Elon. I like that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
melinda:

saying not sating
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

You try getting caught in perjury & see how it works for you.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Bas NL:

How does one pose a fine to a billionaire..
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
ultradamno:

"Believe" is a word containing a lot of wiggle room
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Franco Twinkie:

Not if you'er crossing your fingers, or legs, or shoestrings. We learn that in the third grade.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Bas NL:

It's not a lie.. it's your new reality!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

✔ Bas NL
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ultradamno:

Calling them 'cookies' should be illegal. Everyone wants cookies.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Bas NL:

Funny!
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Bas NL:

To some degree..
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tim from champaign (now washington):

I'm a luddite but doesn't logging in help you stay logged in?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Yarf, I'm glad I never go on Facebook!
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chris:

"enjoying" is a lie. they watch what what keeps us engaged in the platform, whether we're yelling at a racist relative or watching a cat play a piano.
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ultradamno:

"Better" is another word open to interpretation coming from him.
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chris:

and hi, Mark and folks.
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coelacanth∅:

aw it's just a little cookie. here, you've been good. have a cookie.
  6:25pm
David in London:

Hello Technoids. Late in today.
Hi Mark.
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Carmichael:

Who was that asshole Boston Pitcher? "I mis-remembered."
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Bas NL:

Competition is futile, we will assimilate.
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ultradamno:

Allow me to re-premise your question.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's everything we used to worry about & hate about TV in the 20th Century (pandering, advertising manipulation, monopoly...) - X 100.
  6:28pm
David in London:

Hey Handy, ultradamno, Coela, Carmichael, Rev.
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coelacanth∅:

he should be tazed every time he says "congresswoman"
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ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
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Carmichael:

"So what I'm hearing is that Facebook is wonderful ..."
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Handy Haversack:

David, how goes? Good weekend?
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melinda:

Maybe we should rename cookies 'surveillance biscuits'
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coelacanth∅:

greetings David (iL)
(by the way) ho Mark and techtonats
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Ken From Hyde Park:

If needed: www.deletefacebook.com
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Ike:

Great job, Rep. Jayapal.
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ARB:

That was great, please continue next week!
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coelacanth∅:

melinda Yes!
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chris:

i kinda want to eat a surveillance biscuit now.
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Webhamster Henry:

Cookies are just one tool for tracking and collecting usage data. Browsers can build and maintain little databases, and callback pixels, and HTTP metadata are all there to help weave a digital market model of you, to sell you what ever it determines you wish.
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melinda:

I had that Fisher-Price castle!
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Otis Fodder:

Feeling the flashbacks of facepalm slapping from last week. Condensed was great... but do continue, it's good to hear these deflections again and again.
  6:33pm
David in London:

That testimony by Zuckerberg was truly nauseating.

Handy, lots of time in the sunshine, and even managed a barbecue. So all good. You left town, yes? How was it?
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chris:

and to Henry's point... even emails can build a profile of you. its not just cookies, or even surveillance biscuits, on the web we need to watch out for.
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Handy Haversack:

Excellent - saw good friends, hung out outside, managed to get some paddling in. Much needed time away from the city.
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ARB:

Should we never accept cookies (surveillance biscuits)?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Mark Hurst:

@ARB it's difficult to use any major web services without agreeing to be tracked. However, most browsers have a way to dump all cookies (thus erasing much of the tracking capability)... you just have to log in again on every service you use after that.
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Carmichael:

I use Firefox, which rejects all "treaties".
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chris:

ARB, how patient are you? If you want to remain anonymous and untracked on the web, it still takes a great deal of patience and not a small amount of technical ability. cookies are everywhere. not all are evil.
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ultradamno:

Of the four horsemen of NDAQ there really isn't a 'cute one'
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Carmichael:

Who's the bottom right? Vin Diesel?
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Mark Hurst:

Jeff Bezos
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ultradamno:

Probably shooting more for The Rock than VD
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chris:

iirc, after jeff went to "special protection" (i.e. mercenary) training, there were some shots (paparazzi?) of him looking very buff and agro. i think that photo of him (background added later) came from one of those pics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

Surely the Bill Gates-dabbing pic wasn't photoshopped!
  6:45pm
David in London:

Experience tells me to distrust any strategy that is prefaced ‘Pivot to...’
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chris:

bill dabs for days. think that one's 100% legit, Mark.
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Mark Hurst:

@DiL totally agree
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coelacanth∅:

they learned this strategy from kiss. (the band)
("we've sold more records than the beatles")
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Mark Hurst:

@chris sadly, the two upper photos are not photoshopped
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Franco Twinkie:

An old girlfriend of mine called it negative entertainment, Mark. You're watching something so egregious unfold before you're eyes you just start cracking up.
  6:47pm
Dave Miss:

Long live print!
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chris:

sadly, i've actually seen both of those, Mark. sigh, those wacky billionaires.
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Mark Hurst:

@Dave Miss totally agree. looks like i'm agreeing with the Daves tonight
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Mark Hurst:

@Franco plenty of negative entertainment available these days, unfortunately
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

No Press - less Reporting
- less Accountability
- for anybody.
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ultradamno:

@DiL Hard agree.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

There's a reason the Founding Fathes put the Free Press in the very First Amendment for our democracy.
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WR:

Very little journalistic follow up or consistency in coverage, news is being transformed to click bait.
  6:51pm
David in London:

It’s the same here in England. Local papers have taken a savaging in recent years. It’s such a bad thing for society and communities.
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chris:

and called them the fourth estate! you can not have democracy without free press. full. stop.
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Mark Hurst:

@WR yes but wait 'til you see #6. it will shock you
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ultradamno:

I don't like hearing about there being "a lot to unpack" either.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Negative Entertainment - wow.
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chris:

and i know its not a political show, but goddamnit, the major corporations we call republican and democratic parties *are* the enablers of this corruption.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Socialism for the rich
- rugged individualism for the poor.
- Martin King
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks for today's insights, Mark! Thanks, Skeleton Olivia, too.
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ultradamno:

Wow, those are a lot of things I do not associate with marketing
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Bas NL:

Ahhh.. that was marketing 1.0?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Just this U.S. American ideology that what's good for Business is good for People.
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ultradamno:

I associate Hallmark with Santa sending a cute elf girl to embed in a family at risk of losing their belief in Christmas.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's nonsense. The Rich stay Rich & it has not trickled down - period.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks for watching the hearings, Mark. I think I would've given up after five minutes. Take care.
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Carmichael:

Thanks Mark!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
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Mark Hurst:

The "Stop Hate for Profit" campaign is mostly marketers, all trying to resist Mark Zuckerberg. I was interested to see a top marketer look around, see Facebook's & Google's fraud, and look to a different path.
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chris:

thanks, Mark. feels good to rant for a bit. perseverance furthers.
  7:00pm
P-90:

I agree with LIsa McPherson: in the big picture the hearing this week was a sign of an incrementally change in how these companies are regarded in our culture.
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melinda:

thanks Mark
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WR:

I joined late, was there some info about how she came to have the op-ed piece published in Seattle Times vs. other media outlet?
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Franco Twinkie:

Right now I am making dots on a piece of paper with a pen. I know I could make my job a lot easier if I just downloaded some dots and called it a day, but the people who have a lock on digital dots are monsters from hell who want to hold me upside down by my feet and start shaking. Therefore I make my own dots, damn it!
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Otis Fodder:

Thanks Mark and Lisa.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Other week I posted about Billy Bragg's recent commentaries re Free Speech & Accountability
- & how youth relate to new media in these terms.
There is something positive there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm
Mark Hurst:

@WR Seattle Times piece linked at left. Good piece.
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Otis Fodder:

Connect those dots Franco! It's like peeling that onion, lots of layers.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY Mark & Lisa
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WR:

Yes, reading it but wondering if why that paper? She had prior relationship with them or ?
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ultradamno:

That IS how rappers are nowadays!
  7:04pm
P-90:

Thanks Mark (and Lisa)
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Handy Haversack:

Can't read Seattle Times with an ad blocker installed ...
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WR:

Yeah, Handy, becoming common on major sites if they detect an ad blocker. Another tech arms race.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:08pm
WR:

And thank you Mark for parsing so much and trying to keep us informed.
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
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coelacanth∅:

...Thanks Olivia!
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