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Options August 3, 2020: The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge

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Tonight: The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge

Pointers:

This is perjury: the Big Tech hearings, summarized, my own take on the hearings

Video of Big Tech hearings on toxic YouTube - a video showing the Google CEO lying, hosted by Google!

Lies told by the Big Tech CEOs, on the Washington Post - an article about the owner of the Post lying, hosted by the Post!

U.S. Code on Perjury

Tech Companies Report Huge Profits as 40 Million Americans Face Evictions (Vice, July 31). See also Jeff Bezos's one-day gain of $7.6 billion (via Marketwatch).

@lisahmacpherson - Lisa Macpherson on Twitter

Public Knowledge

The game is rigged: A former marketer shows you how Big Tech’s advertising practices harm us all (by Lisa Macpherson in the Seattle Times, July 10)

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  The Big Tech hearings - and Lisa Macpherson from Public Knowledge
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  Zuck lying to Congress  
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  Interview with Lisa Macpherson  
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm melinda:

hi everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Mark Hurst:

Hi Melinda!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Handy Haversack:

Hi, Mark and all the Techyon Particles!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Otis Fodder:

hello hello all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Handy Haversack:

Resend the file, Mark!
  6:03pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia:

I’m not sure if I’m at the end of the previous show or at the beginning of Techtonic - Either way Hello, Hello Hello.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonosoftiktokkers!

So if Microsoft buy out US Tik Tok, is that much of an improvement?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm olivia:

mark resend me your file for tonight's show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Bas NL:

Uploading.. uploading.. ;)
  6:04pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia:

Hello, Hello Hello. Rushed to school this AM so I can be here at the start of Techtonic.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Bas NL:

Super job Olivia!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park:

It's the New Mark, same as the Old Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Olivia! Thanks for your patience, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm chresti:

Hi Mark and Technoids!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Otis Fodder:

Thanks Olivia, yay. Hello new Mark!
  6:08pm Roland, from the Sunshine Coast, Australia:

Man I love that this station is so human - just fantastic. A bit of real life ... so refreshing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Bas NL:

G'day Roland!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mark Hurst:

All good, we're now underway!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, for joining in! Welcome.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

They are big - and not the only monopolies that need smashing.
Avatar 6:09pm Sonderangebot:

Hi Mark and everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm chresti:

They're on their way to their secret planet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Well Musk is literally trying to get to Mars.
Avatar 6:12pm Franco Twinkie:

Why is that not surprising Mark? That bunch of.....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm melinda:

Someone suggested that we start sating Elton Musk instead of Elon. I like that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm melinda:

saying not sating
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

You try getting caught in perjury & see how it works for you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Bas NL:

How does one pose a fine to a billionaire..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm ultradamno:

"Believe" is a word containing a lot of wiggle room
Avatar 6:17pm Franco Twinkie:

Not if you'er crossing your fingers, or legs, or shoestrings. We learn that in the third grade.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Bas NL:

It's not a lie.. it's your new reality!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

✔ Bas NL
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm ultradamno:

Calling them 'cookies' should be illegal. Everyone wants cookies.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Bas NL:

Funny!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Bas NL:

To some degree..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm tim from champaign (now washington):

I'm a luddite but doesn't logging in help you stay logged in?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Yarf, I'm glad I never go on Facebook!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm chris:

"enjoying" is a lie. they watch what what keeps us engaged in the platform, whether we're yelling at a racist relative or watching a cat play a piano.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm ultradamno:

"Better" is another word open to interpretation coming from him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm chris:

and hi, Mark and folks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm coelacanth∅:

aw it's just a little cookie. here, you've been good. have a cookie.
  6:25pm David in London:

Hello Technoids. Late in today.
Hi Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Carmichael:

Who was that asshole Boston Pitcher? "I mis-remembered."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Bas NL:

Competition is futile, we will assimilate.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm ultradamno:

Allow me to re-premise your question.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's everything we used to worry about & hate about TV in the 20th Century (pandering, advertising manipulation, monopoly...) - X 100.
  6:28pm David in London:

Hey Handy, ultradamno, Coela, Carmichael, Rev.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm coelacanth∅:

he should be tazed every time he says "congresswoman"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Carmichael:

"So what I'm hearing is that Facebook is wonderful ..."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Handy Haversack:

David, how goes? Good weekend?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm melinda:

Maybe we should rename cookies 'surveillance biscuits'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm coelacanth∅:

greetings David (iL)
(by the way) ho Mark and techtonats
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park:

If needed: www.deletefacebook.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Ike:

Great job, Rep. Jayapal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm ARB:

That was great, please continue next week!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm coelacanth∅:

melinda Yes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm chris:

i kinda want to eat a surveillance biscuit now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Webhamster Henry:

Cookies are just one tool for tracking and collecting usage data. Browsers can build and maintain little databases, and callback pixels, and HTTP metadata are all there to help weave a digital market model of you, to sell you what ever it determines you wish.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm melinda:

I had that Fisher-Price castle!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Otis Fodder:

Feeling the flashbacks of facepalm slapping from last week. Condensed was great... but do continue, it's good to hear these deflections again and again.
  6:33pm David in London:

That testimony by Zuckerberg was truly nauseating.

Handy, lots of time in the sunshine, and even managed a barbecue. So all good. You left town, yes? How was it?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm chris:

and to Henry's point... even emails can build a profile of you. its not just cookies, or even surveillance biscuits, on the web we need to watch out for.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Handy Haversack:

Excellent - saw good friends, hung out outside, managed to get some paddling in. Much needed time away from the city.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm ARB:

Should we never accept cookies (surveillance biscuits)?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Mark Hurst:

@ARB it's difficult to use any major web services without agreeing to be tracked. However, most browsers have a way to dump all cookies (thus erasing much of the tracking capability)... you just have to log in again on every service you use after that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Carmichael:

I use Firefox, which rejects all "treaties".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm chris:

ARB, how patient are you? If you want to remain anonymous and untracked on the web, it still takes a great deal of patience and not a small amount of technical ability. cookies are everywhere. not all are evil.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm ultradamno:

Of the four horsemen of NDAQ there really isn't a 'cute one'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Carmichael:

Who's the bottom right? Vin Diesel?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Mark Hurst:

Jeff Bezos
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm ultradamno:

Probably shooting more for The Rock than VD
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm chris:

iirc, after jeff went to "special protection" (i.e. mercenary) training, there were some shots (paparazzi?) of him looking very buff and agro. i think that photo of him (background added later) came from one of those pics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Mark Hurst:

Surely the Bill Gates-dabbing pic wasn't photoshopped!
  6:45pm David in London:

Experience tells me to distrust any strategy that is prefaced ‘Pivot to...’
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm chris:

bill dabs for days. think that one's 100% legit, Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Mark Hurst:

@DiL totally agree
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm coelacanth∅:

they learned this strategy from kiss. (the band)
("we've sold more records than the beatles")
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Mark Hurst:

@chris sadly, the two upper photos are not photoshopped
Avatar 6:46pm Franco Twinkie:

An old girlfriend of mine called it negative entertainment, Mark. You're watching something so egregious unfold before you're eyes you just start cracking up.
  6:47pm Dave Miss:

Long live print!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm chris:

sadly, i've actually seen both of those, Mark. sigh, those wacky billionaires.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Mark Hurst:

@Dave Miss totally agree. looks like i'm agreeing with the Daves tonight
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Mark Hurst:

@Franco plenty of negative entertainment available these days, unfortunately
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

No Press - less Reporting
- less Accountability
- for anybody.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm ultradamno:

@DiL Hard agree.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

There's a reason the Founding Fathes put the Free Press in the very First Amendment for our democracy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm WR:

Very little journalistic follow up or consistency in coverage, news is being transformed to click bait.
  6:51pm David in London:

It’s the same here in England. Local papers have taken a savaging in recent years. It’s such a bad thing for society and communities.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm chris:

and called them the fourth estate! you can not have democracy without free press. full. stop.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Mark Hurst:

@WR yes but wait 'til you see #6. it will shock you
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm ultradamno:

I don't like hearing about there being "a lot to unpack" either.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Negative Entertainment - wow.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm chris:

and i know its not a political show, but goddamnit, the major corporations we call republican and democratic parties *are* the enablers of this corruption.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Socialism for the rich
- rugged individualism for the poor.
- Martin King
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Handy Haversack:

Thanks for today's insights, Mark! Thanks, Skeleton Olivia, too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm ultradamno:

Wow, those are a lot of things I do not associate with marketing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Bas NL:

Ahhh.. that was marketing 1.0?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Just this U.S. American ideology that what's good for Business is good for People.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm ultradamno:

I associate Hallmark with Santa sending a cute elf girl to embed in a family at risk of losing their belief in Christmas.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's nonsense. The Rich stay Rich & it has not trickled down - period.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks for watching the hearings, Mark. I think I would've given up after five minutes. Take care.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Carmichael:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Mark Hurst:

The "Stop Hate for Profit" campaign is mostly marketers, all trying to resist Mark Zuckerberg. I was interested to see a top marketer look around, see Facebook's & Google's fraud, and look to a different path.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm chris:

thanks, Mark. feels good to rant for a bit. perseverance furthers.
  7:00pm P-90:

I agree with LIsa McPherson: in the big picture the hearing this week was a sign of an incrementally change in how these companies are regarded in our culture.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm melinda:

thanks Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm WR:

I joined late, was there some info about how she came to have the op-ed piece published in Seattle Times vs. other media outlet?
Avatar 7:01pm Franco Twinkie:

Right now I am making dots on a piece of paper with a pen. I know I could make my job a lot easier if I just downloaded some dots and called it a day, but the people who have a lock on digital dots are monsters from hell who want to hold me upside down by my feet and start shaking. Therefore I make my own dots, damn it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm Otis Fodder:

Thanks Mark and Lisa.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Other week I posted about Billy Bragg's recent commentaries re Free Speech & Accountability
- & how youth relate to new media in these terms.
There is something positive there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm Mark Hurst:

@WR Seattle Times piece linked at left. Good piece.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:03pm Otis Fodder:

Connect those dots Franco! It's like peeling that onion, lots of layers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:04pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY Mark & Lisa
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:04pm WR:

Yes, reading it but wondering if why that paper? She had prior relationship with them or ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:04pm ultradamno:

That IS how rappers are nowadays!
  7:04pm P-90:

Thanks Mark (and Lisa)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:05pm Handy Haversack:

Can't read Seattle Times with an ad blocker installed ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:07pm WR:

Yeah, Handy, becoming common on major sites if they detect an ad blocker. Another tech arms race.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:08pm WR:

And thank you Mark for parsing so much and trying to keep us informed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:10pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Lisa!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:10pm coelacanth∅:

...Thanks Olivia!
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