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Options July 13, 2020: Zoom in schools, surveillance & police, and deepfakes

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Tonight: Zoom in schools, surveillance & police, and deepfakes

Pointers:

Teens Flock To New App Where They Just Enter Own Personal Data Into Form (The Onion, July 10)

Why Is a Tech Executive Installing Security Cameras Around San Francisco? (NYT, July 10). See also Chris Gilliard's response, Dave Id's response, and Tawana Petty's response. There's more on Detroit's Project Green Light in this NYT story from 2019.

Could This City Hold the Key to the Future of Policing in America? (NYT, July 12)

Respeecher (modulates the user's voice to sound like someone else)

In Event of Moon Disaster (film showing alternative history with a deepfake of President Nixon)

Headliner Voices (you type, fake celebrities talk)

Color of Change, a leader of the Stop Hate for Profit campaign

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  Zoom in schools, surveillance & police, and deepfakes - feat. DJ Paradox
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  Mark's intro  
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  Interview with DJ Paradox  
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  Mark's comments on tech and law enforcement  
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  Deepfake feature  
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Neil Young  My New Robot   Options
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtononicoms!
  6:01pm David in London:

Good evening Technoids and all hail Mark Hurst.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Handy Haversack:

Mark! ultradamno! David, mein dickie old chum! Techyon beams!

Tech gin: poured. Let's mix it up!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:02pm Listener Bop Monroe:

greetings from Tannersville Mr. H!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicooms!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Handy Haversack:

Hey, us, too. We were in VT last weekend. So weird.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm PaulRobeson1920:

Greetings! The Pigeon sent me
  6:02pm David in London:

Hey ultradamno, Bop.
Handy, how goes it my fellow?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm spodiodi:

aloha, Mark Hurst and all
  6:04pm David in London:

Hey spodiodi!
  6:04pm P-90:

Good afternoon, Mark and Hurstopians.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Handy Haversack:

Good, David. An actual breeze blows. I assume Google is using it to spy on my hair flexibility metrics, but at this point, I'll take it.

Hey, spod!
  6:05pm Dave Miss:

Howdy all. Welcome back Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm spodiodi:

hey david!
  6:05pm dano59:

Upstate - false sense of security re: masks, distancing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm spodiodi:

hey handy! hope the breeze keeps up
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm spodiodi:

(we need more data)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark, DJ Paradox, Skeletons & Tech friends
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm listener james from westwood:

Don't give Silicon Valley any ideas, Onion.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm spodiodi:

takes one "dare" to make it real, james
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Handy Haversack:

"I admire its purity."

spod, data-gathering-stymieing buzz-cut protocols have been operationalized.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mark Hurst:

Hi all! Thanks for joining in this evening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm spodiodi:

challenge*
  6:11pm P-90:

“Switch? To not having a phone?”
  6:13pm David in London:

“Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.”
I’ve been trying to get my youngest stepdaughter to understand the covert substructure of the Tik Toc Faustian pact, but she just doesn’t see it as something to really be concerned about.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Handy Haversack:

Yes, that was an inspiring episode. This all lands so weirdly here since Kate has a flip phone that almost never works outside NYC (and is rarely turned on inside) and I have never had a mobile phone. DJ Paradox might bully me!
  6:14pm P-90:

Congratulations @DJ-P!
  6:14pm olivia:

yay, DJ paradox!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Webhamster Henry:

Can we get a show with DJ Paradox, Dj Purple Haze, DJ Icepack, Juniper, Isobel, and maybe other 2nd generation DJs?
  6:15pm P-90:

Cute intro music, tres NPR
Avatar 6:19pm Heidee:

Mark, my students learned so much with all this homeschooling - about themselves, about what really matters in life to them, about what is precious. They have outgrown themselves and I am very proud of them. Our school year in Germany is just ending and the students are actually saying "I miss school". Bless their little cotton socks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm listener james from westwood:

[audience noise] ooooOOOOOOooohhhhh!
  6:20pm David in London:

Mark, man, admit when you’re beaten.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm listener james from westwood:

Yes! Mute those jerk kids! If I'd done it the only way we had in the 70s I'd be in jail!
  6:21pm David in London:

Gruss dich Heidee!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Webhamster Henry:

You kids shut out of chat can always go out of band.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Handy Haversack:

Never! Truth will out! Stick to your guns, Mark. Maybe lay in a supply of Lunchables, though, so DJ Paradox understands how bad it was for our generation.
Avatar 6:21pm Heidee:

Hallöchen David
  6:22pm Listener Robert:

So they waste time with school online same as they waste it in person?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm listener james from westwood:

It's practice for wasting time on the job.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm spodiodi:

thanks, DJ Paradox!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Handy Haversack:

Thanks, DJ Paradox!

Kate, the teacher, says, "Yeah, sounds like a seventh-grade boy to me."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Webhamster Henry:

My ex used to be a remote teacher for homeschooling kids all around the world with a very good platform. she left the program because she didn't like being online all the time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm ultradamno:

The Onion on law enforcement www.theonion.com...
  6:27pm P-90:

Mark won’t even say the name of the “Google product”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Handy Haversack:

But the other parties in China -- we're safe there?

Mark, do you uninstall every time after a meeting? I do. I wonder if it makes a difference.

Whereby.com works great on Kate's computer, but my older one can't handle it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Webhamster Henry:

There's also Jitsi meet, open source Zoomery.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm Webhamster Henry:

meet.jit.si
  6:29pm watchpocket:

Thee are free adopen source videoconferencing apps:

www.fsf.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Mark Hurst:

@P-90 true... if you say the name of a Google product, it might appear
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Mark Hurst:

@Webham @watchpocket good pointers, thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

.. or if not appear, what you were talking about will show up in an ad.
  6:30pm watchpocket:

www.fsf.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm ultradamno:

You have to say it three times but even if you mean to say it once the other two times get autofilled.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Handy Haversack:

Webhamster, I can't get jitsi to be stable at all on my machine. Do you build a local installation (a "bridge," I think it was called?). I have an old computer, and Jitsi seizes up without fail.
Avatar 6:31pm Heidee:

henry, our school wants us teachers to use Jitsi but it never works due to incompatibilities of browsers. Moreover, I had a student signing in as "I am groot" before me so he designed himself the host of the meeting and was being very disruptive. I couldn't kick him out either. Wouldn't recommend Jitsi.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Mark Hurst:

@ultra heh good one
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Webhamster Henry:

the standard open source disclaimer is :" don't like it? fix it yourself!!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Handy Haversack:

Right. Of course it is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Handy Haversack:

That scales.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Webhamster Henry:

The "answer" is "Karen cams"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Handy Haversack:

Panopticon. It was not meant to be a cookbook.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Travisano66:

I loved that the first drawback your son named about the phone was that it was $20. If you'd told him it was $100, I wonder it he'd have liked it a little bit more.
  6:37pm Listener Bop Monroe:

now you can watch my comings and goings to go where i am when i'm not at my home... great.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920:

lawenforcementactionpartnership.org... Root cause of this funding issue... What justifies the massive budget? A “public enemy number 1”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm PaulRobeson1920:

Cannabis is a safer alternative to the drug Alcohol....
  6:39pm castor:

Instead of asking how to deter or catch the people who steal from you, why not ask why your fellow humans have to resort to stealing in the first place and maybe get to the root of the problem?
  6:40pm Listener Bop Monroe:

its a long way from the little old lady looking through the curtains. now THAT was a neighborhood watch that worked.
  6:40pm David in London:

Ah the old golden data retriever.
  6:41pm P-90:

Awww, the lost doggie came home
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Handy Haversack:

Mark, did the NYT story specify "cute and fluffy"? Because it's important to how I react.

At least the NYT doesn't have any creepy data policies. Pure open access there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920:

Yep computeeR got the wrong guy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Handy Haversack:

David, you don't want to see what they have done with data bloodhounds in NYC these days.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Webhamster Henry:

Questions in headlines make me think of "Chariot of the Gods?"
  6:43pm David in London:

The question mark at the end of the journalistic proposition - the oldest trick in the book.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Bas NL:

This morning i fired up my laptop... Congratulations, we've just installed Edge and we're now taking you on a tour!! I closed my laptop.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Handy Haversack:

Ha, Bas, that happened to me a few weeks back, and I run an OS that Microsoft says it is not updating or supporting anymore!

I uninstall a lot of things.
  6:47pm P-90:

“Minority Report-like predictive policing algorithms...” this is why I listen to this show
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Handy Haversack:

Welcome to the corner, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm ultradamno:

I'm pretty those googly eyes Lily is putting on her stuff in the AT&T commercial are setting up a miniature surveillance camera scheme.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Megaroni:

We need more people like you Mark! Thank you for this much needed news about the evilness of this horror world were becoming
  6:49pm David in London:

Traditional policing methods such as predictive algorithms were a fundamental part of Robert Peels original policing principles in 1829.
  6:49pm The Butterman:

My police chief just resigned this morning. On tape talking badly about other public figures. I’ve only known him as a terrific guy and father.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Bas NL:

Yesterday i received a personally addressed ad from Ueber. WTF. @Handy, by now i'm considering reverting to DOS.. ;)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Webhamster Henry:

I was going to say/sing "Tradition!!"
Avatar 6:50pm Franco Twinkie:

Speaking of NYPD, the only time I have ever been hit by a cop was in New York City, for passing out in the library. Not because I was drunk but because I was sick. What was that song NWA did....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Webhamster Henry:

<takes humble bow>
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm chris:

"rapacious silicon valley monopolists" we know who you are and we are watching you.

thanks for another great show, Mark!
  6:52pm Listener Bop Monroe:

Mark you rule.
you almost make me miss Dave Emory; at least his nazis didn't use computers, servers and data-mining.
Avatar 6:53pm John from NP:

Camden, NJ? Have you ever been to Camden?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920:

I imagine Mass surveillance would have made the “Chinese Exclusion Act” even more effective in excluding people
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm Bas NL:

Wow.. scary real.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920:

This deep fake voice is really something
  6:53pm David in London:

This really makes me feel despondent.
  6:54pm ignatatus666:

That’s crazy!!
  6:54pm P-90:

“I’m telling the truth...this time...”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm ultradamno:

With that voice technology and the rise of AI actors we might finally get a Keanu Reeves movie with a convincingly lifelike lead.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Webhamster Henry:

I used Headiner voices to make Morgan Freeman do his old Easy Reader routines.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Handy Haversack:

That's not real David (in London)!

Thank you, Mark, again and always.
  6:55pm David in London:

The worrying Mark Hurst half-chuckle will remain impervious to deep fakery though.
Avatar 6:56pm John from NP:

What are the big tech companies gonna do with Camden NJ surveillance data?
  6:56pm P-90:

Thanks, Hurst!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm spodiodi:

Mark, thank you for your tireless dedication, and thoughtfulness..

I mostly gave up after too many "chicken little"s, "you're paranoid"s and "weirdo"s, a long time ago
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920:

hahaha ultra... thanks good show
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

Fake guests next week!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Good one!
  6:57pm Listener Bop Monroe:

Thanks again Mr. H!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Appreciate all the good comments this evening. Have a good week.
  6:58pm P-90:

“Cancel”?! But I get free delivery on almost everything..!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm spodiodi:

thanks, Webhamster Henry too
also to the skeleton crew and the humorous commenters :D byebye
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm ultradamno:

In my day robots had gorilla bodies and tried to strangle pretty girls and that's how we liked it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm ultradamno:

revengeoftheinnergeek.wordpress.com...
Avatar 7:00pm Franco Twinkie:

Robot Monster, yes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Don't be like me and nearly sleep through Techtonic!
  7:36pm ignatatus666:

I remember being in a high chair so 1 ?
And sharing my food with our weimerana( grey dog)
Her name was Gypsy.
  7:39pm ignatatus666:

Oh boy
I just posted on Marks chat by accident

I remember being 1 or 2 sitting in a high chair at our apartment in the Bronx and sharing my food with our dog Gypsy ( a weimerana?)
  7:41pm ignatatus666:

Sra I posted those a few nights ago to Darren’s show as a topic was Zoom the video chat not the kids show
@Dan
We loved Zoom a Zooma Zoom!
I think Freddy Krüger robbed their style
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