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Options July 6, 2020: Ben Green, author, "The Smart Enough City"

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Tonight: Ben Green, author, "The Smart Enough City: Putting Technology in Its Place to Reclaim Our Urban Future"



Pointers:

• Full text of The Smart Enough City: "The open access edition of this book was made possible by generous funding from the MIT Libraries."

• The Smart Enough City (book site homepage)

• @benzevgreen (Twitter)

• benzevgreen.com (website)

• See also my interview with Jathan Sadowski, on the May 11 show, about his book "Too Smart: How Digital Capitalism is Extracting Data, Controlling Our Lives, and Taking Over the World." Also quoted Sadowski in the Tech Pie on May 18: listen (about 2 minutes).


• Shown above: LinkNYC thread on Twitter (June 2, 2020): "Also, LinkNYC does not use wifi sniffers or other sensors to track people."

• Waterfront Toronto ditches Sidewalk Labs’ vision of high-tech, sensor-driven smart district at Quayside (The Star, June 30)

• Police Used Smart Streetlight Footage to Investigate Protesters (Voice of San Diego, June 29)

• Literacy for Incarcerated Teens

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  Ben Green's new book "The Smart Enough City" describes how cities can make use of digital technology, while preserving privacy and justice.
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  Interview with Ben Green  
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  Mark's comments after the interview  
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Steve Earle  City of Immigrants   Options
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonopolitans!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:01pm melinda:

hi everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

When phone paranoia gets personal twitter.com...
Avatar 6:02pm Fredericks:

Hot cha, I'm ready for some tech-talk.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, melinda, Fredericks! Thanks for joining.
  6:02pm David in London:

Evening Technoids. Hello Mark.
Hi ultradamno.
  6:03pm David in London:

Hi Melinda, Fredericks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm Mark Hurst:

Hi David!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and code trackers.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:04pm Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Drives! Hey there!

Hi, ultradamno, Ken, David -- glad to see you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:05pm Mark Hurst:

Hi KfHP, Handy - thanks for being with us!
Avatar 6:05pm Fredericks:

Hello, David, Mark and my fellow Techtypes.
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:06pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonici!
  6:09pm David in London:

Hello Handy. How are you?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm Mark Hurst:

Welcome, Bas.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Virtual Hullo Digital Citizens
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark! Having a nice singularity apocalypse?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:11pm melinda:

@ultradamno the comments on that twitter are funny
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm Handy Haversack:

Good, David -- got back in town this afternoon after and almost trafficless entry to the Megalopolis. Covered in mosquito and fly bites, but all totally worth it.

We luncheoned with Wendy del Formaggio in Vermont today! And she was impressed as we plotted our route in our road atlases since we have no tracking devices "helping" us navigate.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Some enthusiasm for MeWe of late?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm melinda:

@Handy I still have my Vermont road atlas-gazeteer from when I lived there
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm queems:

hi all
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm Mark Hurst:

@RevRabbit @Webham @queems hi! Thanks for joining.
  6:15pm Dave Miss:

Howdy all
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Ike:

I love a nice road atlas.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm Mark Hurst:

@queems p.s. glad you liked the Tech Pie this morning
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm ultradamno:

In other words, to a man with a hammer every problem looks like a nail
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm Mark Hurst:

@Davem @Ike hi, and yes, @Handy, I respect that!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm queems:

@mark the bee movie really got me
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm Webhamster Henry:

Funny joke on the top mask. Sad fact: nobody cares about IPv6
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:19pm Handy Haversack:

Going to order the Delorme for NH/VT soon -- we have NY, MI, ME.

@RevRab, I recall hearing that MeWe swung pretty alt-right when Google Plus was killed by Google. The DIY gaming community was looking for a new homebase, but most people rejected MeWe for its politics. I never really learned any details, though, since I wasn't going to land on any other social media.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:19pm queems:

remember when these things were playing the haunted mr. softee jingle
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@Handy: Yup - that was the word when it came up before.
  6:22pm kevlicki:

Late again. Hello fellow technoparanoids with contempt for surveillance power
  6:22pm Glenn:

https://villagegreennj.com/community/bridging-the-digital-divide-maplewoods-neighborhood-wifi-program-is-rolled-out/
  6:30pm kevlicki:

If a smartphone has WiFi “on” does it communicate with the linkNYC posts?
Will my reflectables protect me from their cameras?
  6:30pm ignatatus666:

I was in Williamsburg one night eating in my car and walking my dog. I was parked right at one of these towers. Of course I could destroy but I did give it the finger as many times as I could. It definitely couldn’t scan my license plates because most of the color is peeled off.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I can account for our accountability...
  6:31pm ignatatus666:

Nice autocorrect
Of course I could not destroy it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

*UNaccountability...
Autoincorrect...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm Handy Haversack:

We (Greenpoint) were one of the first places to get them -- maybe because we had FIOS early? I have talked to some people who work for the city and state on the acquisition of the LinkNYC towers, and they really refuse to see them as anything but an unadulterated good, a service for residents. Seems like they just can't see these concerns as legit.
  6:34pm Granny:

finally making it here while enjoying automobobbling with my sweetie. hello!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:41pm Handy Haversack:

The new and useless ferry landings in NYC have self-driving cars to get people to the landings from the streets. This seems indicative to me.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:45pm WR:

LinkNYC is presented as a replacement of payphones. Having a hard time grasping the economics under which payphones existed. Interesting note in Wikipedia entry for LinkNYC "Daniel L. Doctoroff, the former CEO of Bloomberg L.P. and former New York City Deputy Mayor for Economic Development and Rebuilding, is the CEO of Sidewalk Labs." Which follows: "Intersection is being led by a Sidewalk Labs-led group of investors who operate the company as a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. that focuses on solving problems unique to urban environments."

My comment is to underline what has already been said on this program.

The conversation you are having with Ben has many threads to be followed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Talk about a Bill of Digital Rights...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm northguineahills:

arggh, only got here for the last 15 minutes!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm Handy Haversack:

Great interview, Mark! Thanks for that!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm Mark Hurst:

@Handy thanks!
  6:51pm P-90:

Well, Mark: my compliments on succeeding in presenting one of the most depressing interviews yet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:52pm northguineahills:

as a former urban developer, this peeked my interest. To the archives!
Avatar 6:52pm Megaroni:

Thank you Techtonic for bringing us these talented guests & yourself and devoted good work !
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:52pm northguineahills:

(an urban develper in NYC, but that was 2003-2005)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm ultradamno:

Game changer that can't tell black people apart. Same old game.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm Mark Hurst:

@P-90 happy to hear it
  6:54pm P-90:

Gonna have to read the book now...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm Mark Hurst:

@ngh yes listen to the whole thing, thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm Mark Hurst:

@Megaroni thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY MH
  6:55pm David in London:

Thanks Mark.
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:56pm P-90:

Thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm WR:

Thank you Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm Mark Hurst:

@RevRabbit @DiL @Bas @P-90 @WR thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm northguineahills:

@ultradamno: It's odd, but as a wasp, I find it harder to to tell white people faces then others of other ethnicities...
  6:58pm Dave Miss:

Great interview
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm ultradamno:

@northguinea but it's the facial recognition software that will be sending people to jail
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:59pm melinda:

Thanks Mark! Love the Steve Earle.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. If I venture to New York City some time, I'll set my phone to Airplane Mode and shine the flashlight at the kiosk's cameras that I pass.
  7:01pm Sven Mühlender:

Hello All, Heyho Mark !
Nice Show ! Thanks and Greets from Berlin (Germany)
Avatar 1:20am Petricole:

Tuning in late in the game. I really appreciated the interview this week and will share widely with folks here in Toronto. Thanks so much Mark and Ben! Stay safe everyone.
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