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Favoriting December 24, 2018: Special holiday 2018 episode

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This week: Special holiday 2018 episode of Techtonic

Anti-Surveillance Gift Guide by Julie Carrie Wong (Guardian, Dec 14). "Drones, DNA and data: please don't give the gift of privacy invasion." Don't give Facebook Portal, DNA kits, 'smart' (surveillance) speakers, camera drones, or needless electronics.

• Thanks to Webhamster Henry (longtime listener and past guest from the April 9, 2018 show) for pointing us to Take It From Here in last week's comment board.

Have a great holiday!

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Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Favoriting Machinarium Soundtrack 
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  Mark's intro    
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Dee Yan-Key  Jazzy Bells   Favoriting My Christmas Music   
Paul Slocum  Up On the Housetop   Favoriting The 8bits of Christmas   
an0va  The First Noel / O Come All Ye Faithful   Favoriting XMAS Compilation 2010   
Mystery Mammal  The First Noel   Favoriting Xmas in Space   
fluidvolt  O Come, O Come, Emmanuel   Favoriting XMAS Compilation 2010   

Music behind DJ:
Dee Yan-Key 

Jazzy Bells   Favoriting

My Christmas Music 

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Xerox  Take It From Here   Favoriting    
Victor Herbert Orchestra  Chinese Dance, Dance of the Mirilitons (from the Nutcracker) [1913]   Favoriting Voices of Christmas Past   
  Mark's comments    
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Yerzmyey  merry christmas! jesus holy, born so lowly   Favoriting The 8bits of Christmas   
BR1GHT-PR1MATE  JOY2WRLD   Favoriting XMAS Compilation 2010   
Gulag Picture Radio  WXRT - Xmas On The Moon   Favoriting Interplanetary Materials   
junior85  Christmas On An Island   Favoriting IT'S CHRISTMAS II   

Music behind DJ:
Dee Yan-Key 

Jazzy Bells   Favoriting

My Christmas Music 

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  Mark's reading    
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Vim  when a child is bored   Favoriting The 8bits of Christmas   
Jolly Roger Telephone Company  Aggressive Sales Collection Agency   Favoriting    
  Mark's comments    
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Roger McGuinn  Joy to the World   Favoriting Folk Den Project   
George P. Watson  Santa Claus Song 1902   Favoriting Edison Gold Moulded Record: 8270 
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:26pm
herb.nyc:

Hi mark and TechnoTinsels, 2018 has been crap re Pres* Trump and his cronies, but WFMU and Techtonic have been pure joy. Thank you, merry ho ho new year.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
ultradamno:

Hello Mark and all you Techny Tims and Techndy Lou Whos on the Island of Broken Techs and Techelves on the shelves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi herb.nyc! Hi ultradamno! And hi to all TechnoTinsels, Techny Tims, and Techndy Lou Whos to this special holiday episode of Techtonic.
Avatar 6:01pm
geezerette:

o<(:c3} !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
melinda:

Hi Mark and Techtons! I'm hearing the theme music on good speakers for the first time, it's like a whole different song.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi geezerette & melinda! Happy ASCII holiday image.
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Beast of Boonton:

Greetings everyone
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geezerette:

Yay,Melinda!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
annie:

yay melinda!
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TDK60:

I'm celebratin' Druid Wynter Ritual, but it's lo-fi.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti:

Hello Technoggins!
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geezerette:

Great nativity scene!
  6:04pm
River:

Good evening and merry Xmas to all Woofmooers around the world from West Yorkshire, UK. Let 2019 be the year that things start to turn around and the darkness, cynicism and hopelessness of the past few years give way to optimism, hope, inclusivity and positive action.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Beast, Annie, TDK60 (happy Druid Wynter Ritual), & chresti & all Technoggins!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Mark Hurst:

@geezerette - yes, a timely nativity scene... But yes, @River, I'm also hopeful for 2019
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TDK60:

Hiya River: where exactly in olde Yorkshire?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
dale:

annie - i made a mince and apple pie. it's still warm. ya'll come have a slice.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
chresti:

mmm...pie!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
melinda:

Pie at dale's house!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

yum
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geezerette:

River,cheers to that, beautifully put.
  6:09pm
River:

@TDK60 I am visiting my grandmother in a village between Barnsley and Huddersfield, but hail from Leeds myself. You?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno:

I saw that Joy Reid hosted a roundtable on her show yesterday on whether it was worthwhile to quit Facebook. The tone was slanted toward yes, so welcome to the party already, 24 hour newspeople.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
annie:

ooohhh,dale!!!! how cool! i can smell it from here, virtually..
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TDK60:

River: I'm in the north end of the towne of Manhattan, *New* York.
  6:12pm
Robert Tables:

Hello and Happy Everything!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultradamno - so many high-profile people have publicly announced recently that they're leaving Facebook. Walt Mossberg, Cher, who else.. seems like about a dozen in the past week. In my opinion it's not a question of *should* we delete Facebook (of course we should) but whether people are in a position to do so (some can't, but many can)...
  6:14pm
River:

@TDC70 I like NYC a lot, but I can't understand why y'all went with saying 'New York State' rather than 'New Yorkshire', which would be much more consistent.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
listener james from westwood:

"And Mark said to the crowd, as his sleigh he did mount,
'Merry Christmas to all,
'Delete your Facebook account!'"
Avatar 6:15pm
TDK60:

River, you have a point. There is a New Hampshire, so I hear.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
annie:

if i took myself off FB, i'd lose a small gig i have copy-ediing......and how would i play Words with Friends?.. aaahhh, third world problems
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geezerette:

Listener James, clap-clap-clap!!! :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
coelacanth∅:

hello Mark and techtonocrats
Avatar 6:17pm
geezerette:

the xmas coel! :D
  6:18pm
Phil:

https://xeroxnostalgia.com/copiers/xerox-813/
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
ultradamno:

Xerox needs single men?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
herb.nyc:

Lovely music. I'm reminded of a song called "No L" by Jeffrey Lewis, about the upcoming no L train in NYC. But it's not techmology driven. -- related to Xerox, I miss the smell of the Gestetner machine.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
listener james from westwood:

Holy toner, that was outstanding!
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TDK60:

Victor Herbert?! Now, that's some "old school." There's a statue of V. H. in Central Park.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
coelacanth∅:

g!
  6:21pm
River:

813! The Xerox Musical sadly never got the Broadway release its creators hoped for.
Avatar 6:23pm
TDK60:

..those dancing snow people in the vid-graphic are scary.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
ultradamno:

They look pissed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
listener james from westwood:

"They are not all accounted for, the lost seeing stones. We do not know who else may be watching." —Gandalf the Grey on Facebook Portal, probably
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
coelacanth∅:

my sister got 3 of those kits a few years ago - one for me, but i refused to do it.
  6:28pm
River:

So if I want to do 23andMe, do it under a fake name. Got it.
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TDK60:

..you Scrooge, coelacanth∅ … kidding.
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Jeff Moore:

Most Techtons have probably already heard this (because really, who doesn't subscribe to and listen to every episode of the essential "Stay Tuned with Preet"?), but in case any of y'all missed it – the episode "Does Silicon Valley Have a Conscience? (with Kara Swisher)" seemed right in the Techtonic wheelhouse.

www.npr.org...

Apologies if it's already been mentioned ; I'm unable to listen live this evening.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
melinda:

I did 23andme for health reasons, after long consideration. My sister had already done it for ancestry purposes, so the cat was out of the bag. Or the horse had left the barn, whatever.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
coelacanth∅:

i don't know how much proof of id. they required but when my sister bought them she had to tell them who each kit was for before they'd send them.
  6:33pm
River:

@Coelacanth That's pretty screwed up. What the hell business is it of theirs? Hmph. I really want to do one, but not if it means essentially giving my DNA to the police.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
annie:

my son did one of them.....his grandfather beat him to it by compiling a complete family tree back to the mid 1600s... white as toast. i don't trust those tests mainly because there is no disclosure on how they can use the data. and consider the crispr technology.. nope.. not me
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
listener james from westwood:

Go home, inflatable Santa, you're drunk.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
melinda:

There's an article out there somewhere on how to do 23andme anonymously, but it seemed like a lot of work and I didn't like the prospect of explaining to people at work why I was having something shipped to me there under a fake name.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
coelacanth∅:

TDK i think that's how the sister felt!
...i also unplug her amazon surveillance cylinder (whatever it's called) that her asshole husband gave her whenever i see it's plugged in again, which he's probably doing.
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TDK60:

..sometimes you gotta put your foot down, even if you look like Scrooge to one and all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
melinda:

@annie my sister has been doing genealogy for years and the test confirmed that we too are white as toast, except for 0.5% South Asian, which is interesting. But no big surprises, and their estimates for timelines were off.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
melinda:

@coel I think surveillance cylinder is a good term.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
coelacanth∅:

River yeah i'd like the information but not enough to do that.
  6:39pm
River:

I can't imagine why anyone would want to put an always-on microphone in their living space. All companies are trustworthy, until they aren't. All governments are trustworthy, until they aren't.
  6:40pm
River:

Everything is legal, until it isn't.
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TDK60:

I've heard of Ellul, mentioned by others. Been reading Murray Bookchin's 'Ecology of Freedom,' critical of techne; he thinks the ancient Greeks integrated techne more socially, ethically than our current society.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
melinda:

Wait, toast isn't white...
Avatar 6:41pm
geezerette:

Happy Holidays, Mark and every buddy!
I'm so glad you all exist. :D
Eyes needed elsewhere but leaving ears right here.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
chresti:

haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
coelacanth∅:

haha melinda that's what i was thinking
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
annie:

hey, you're right, melinda!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
chresti:

Happy holidays geez!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
chresti:

raw toast?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
melinda:

@annie but you got your point across nonetheless! For I minute I thought i was being dim.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
melinda:

@chresti that's what I was picturing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
annie:

very few people know of the involvement between IBM and nazi germany..... i'll have to look that up to see its origins
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
chresti:

nowadays telemarketers are bots
  6:46pm
JakeGould:

THIS IS SO GOOD!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
annie:

expired phone numbers are now being used for automated sales calls
  6:48pm
JakeGould:

“Why don’t you stop playing games and act like a man.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
annie:

haahaha
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
chresti:

Oh man! I'm starting to worry about that guy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
annie:

a musician friend in jersey does this, too
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TDK60:

hee!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Fuzzy:

Guy just wastes his time to own himself! LOL
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tak:

lmao
  6:50pm
JakeGould:

When I get telemarketing calls at work I just say, “Can you hang on a second? I need to put you on hold.” and then hang up on them. Works fine 90% of the time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
coelacanth∅:

the guy doesn't value his time very much
i would've hung up within a few seconds
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tak:

i make them listen to dopesmoker
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
coelacanth∅:

tak, and for just that moment they like their jobs
  6:53pm
JakeGould:

While I think your obsessing with deleting Facebook is naive, I still wish you a happy everything!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
melinda:

I almost hung up on a new sales rep who called at work because he sounded like a pre-recorded message to me. Good thing I didn't!
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TDK60:

Roger Byrd McGuinn!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
melinda:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
dale:

i love the fb messages i get that say "to help us keep your account secure please add your phone number to your information." that makes me more secure how?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
chresti:

Why do you find it naive? @Jake
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
melinda:

@dale I'm suspicious of those too.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chresti:

@dale, yeah, same thought
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

♫ You Googled your stuff, they're checking you twice. ... www.bgr.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark, and may Santa delete your cookies (and milk) tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
coelacanth∅:

dale, right? google does that too. ...as if.
-they don't even have my real name. (or...they probably do; but i didn't give it to them)
  6:57pm
JakeGould:

@chresti: Because the overarching issue is not a Facebook issue. The issue is big data, data collection and the ease of correlating data in the digital age. The laws haven’t caught up to this new tech, but Facebook, Google and Apple could stop collecting data right now and the issue still remains.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti:

haha Ken
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
dale:

if you can get your asses to west orange and the edison museum (probably closed now for the -ahem - govt shutdown). see the room where all the edison cylinders and diamond discs were recorded.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti:

Ah, right@Jake
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm
coelacanth∅:

i thought the edison museum was in edison. (where he supposedly invented the lightbulb)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:03pm
coelacanth∅:

oh it's after 7
Thanks Mark! happy post saturnalia digestion to you and yours
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:04pm
chresti:

Thanks again , Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:07pm
dale:

museum is on main street in west orange, where his factory was. menlo park may be a museum but it's not where all the recording and manufacturing took place.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:46am
Michael 98145:

Aloha from archive time. This season i've been horrified to discover how many have brought an Alexa device into their homes. And think that is -normal- ... what are we becoming?
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