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Favoriting December 17, 2018: Dava Whisenant, director, "Bathtubs Over Broadway"

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This week: Dava Whisenant, director of the new documentary "Bathtubs Over Broadway"

Bathtubs Over Broadway, a new documentary that you should definitely watch

Dava Whisenant bio

• On Twitter: @BathtubsOverBwy

• On Twitter: @DavaWhisenant

Songs from industrial musicals, part of the book site for Everything's Coming Up Profits: The Golden Age of Industrial Musicals, by Steve Young and Sport Murphy

• Review of "Bathtubs Over Broadway" in the New Yorker: Can a Musical Sponsored by a Toilet Manufacturer Be a Work of Art? (Nov 27, 2018)

FACEBOOK NEWS

• Another Friday bad-news dump from Facebook: Private photos on Facebook, of millions of users, were accidentally shared with 1,500 apps. Facebook said on Friday it had found a bug that gave as many as 1,500 third-party apps access to the unposted Facebook photos of up to 6.8 million users. (Business Insider, today, Dec 17) ... see also the Washington Post article (Dec 14) and the TechCrunch article (Dec 14).

• via Sarah Frier, this Bloomberg article (today, Dec 17): "Instagram was actually a bigger, and more effective, Russian influence tool than Facebook was, according to data analyzed for Senate Intel. 'More content was created on Instagram, and overall Instagram engagement exceeded that of Facebook.'"

'They don't care': Facebook factchecking in disarray as journalists push to cut ties (Guardian, Dec 13): even journalists paid by Facebook are speaking out against the company. (Meantime, Maria Essa in the Philippines, who has spoken out against Facebook-enabled authoritarian Duterte, was just named one of TIME's People of the Year)

Walt Mossberg on Twitter (today, Dec 17): "Some personal news: I've decided to quit Facebook around the end of the year. I am doing this - after being on Facebook for nearly 12 years - because my own values and the policies and actions of Facebook have diverged to the point where I’m no longer comfortable there. . . . I am also quitting Facebook-owned Instagram and Messenger. I will remain on Twitter, and will continue to communicate via iMessage, email and SMS text with those who have my email address and/or phone number." (You can quit Facebook, too: go to deletefacebook.com.)

GOOGLE NEWS

• In advance of Sundar Pichai's hearings, Matt Stoller posted (Dec 11): "Google is in serious trouble. The company is thuggish, corrupt, and monopolistic. Its employees are upset. Its programmatic advertising is fraud-ridden and Youtube subsidiary is an extremist factory. It has of late, however, hidden behind Mark Zuckerberg, who is far clumsier."

Washington Post recap of Sundar Pichai and Google hearings (Dec 11) ... see also Wired's Issie Lapowski's thread ... also this exchange (courtesy BuzzFeed News, with Monopoly Man in background!) about Project Dragonfly, the censorship-friendly search engine Google wants to build for the Chinese government.

Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation (The Intercept, today, Dec 17). Looks like Project Dragonfly might be dead.



A "no" sandwich, says Jason Kint:


• Oh, and Google has access to 70% of credit and debit card transactions in the United States through various third party partnerships. Careful when you use a credit card to buy anything that could affect your employment or insurance ratings!

• Oh, and Google Announces New $1 Billion Manhattan Campus In Hudson Square (Gothamist, today, Dec 17). Google now has Chelsea Market, the 2 buildings adjacent, the Hudson River pier next to that, and now a bldg in Tribeca and 2 more in the West Village. And Google's LinkNYC surveillance towers watch every New Yorker. WE NEED ANTITRUST NOW.

• I'm embarrassed for the New York Times, after they did such good work covering Google's ubiquitous surveillance in New York (which I covered on last week's show). Guess who just bought a partnership with the New York Times...



• Get off of Google! Go to nomoregoogle.com for a helpful list of alternative services. See also deletefacebook.com.

AMAZON NEWS

NYC City Council slams Amazon in public hearing about HQ2 (courtesy CNBC's Steve Kopack, Dec 13): "You're worth a trillion dollars. Why do you need our $3B when we have crumbling subways, crumbling public housing, people without healthcare, public schools that are overcrowding? Why do you need our $3B?" Questions are from NYCC Speaker Corey Johnson. (See also Ellie Marshall's comment - this is how extractive industries work.)

Smarter Voice Assistants Recognize Your Favorite Brands—and Health (ACM News, Dec 11): Shocker, home-surveillance devices like Amazon Echo will have negative consequences. "...Alexa responded: 'You've been coughing a lot today. Do you want me to recommend a medicine or some alternative remedies?' ... Snoring and yawning a lot, for instance, could be signs of obstructive sleep apnea, so leaked data might impact somebody's health insurance, or even car insurance rates. A lot of coughing and sneezing might impact employability, too, if somebody seems too sickly too often."

TWITTER NEWS

Jack Dorsey on his Myanmar meditation trip (Dec 11): "I’m aware of the human rights atrocities and suffering in Myanmar. I don’t view visiting, practicing, or talking with the people, as endorsement. ... [but] This was a purely personal trip for me focused on only one dimension: meditation practice." ... except, whoops, Jack Dorsey Reportedly Took A Government-Organized Hot Air Balloon Ride In Myanmar (Dec 14): "Through a spokesperson, the Twitter and Square CEO said he was unaware multiple government agencies were reportedly involved in organizing the flight."

Mother's letter to Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Experian "regarding algorithms and my son's birth" after her son was stillborn. See also David Carroll's response: "Condolences really. But suggesting the solution to this problem is more invasive surveillance to solve the problem of invasive surveillance shows just how abusively conditionned many have become. That it’s her fault she didn’t opt out is insult to injury." ... also links to this BBC piece.

OTHER TECH NEWS

Politico story via past guest Frank Pasquale: "Silicon Valley billionaire Reid Hoffman has teamed up with former Obama administration officials to create an independent — & likely for-profit — database that would store all of the progressive community’s voter data" (Dec 11) - what could possibly go wrong?

Anti-Surveillance Gift Guide by Julie Carrie Wong (Dec 14). "Drones, DNA and data: please don't give the gift of privacy invasion." Don't give Facebook Portal, DNA kits, 'smart' (surveillance) speakers, camera drones, or needless electronics.

• Great photo series by Eric Pickersgill, Removed, including the below....


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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 10:19am
herb.nyc:

hi hi, not familiar w the documentary. but Chita Rivera's name just stands out among the 4 listed. anyway, i'll play the dubbing game - we are the TechnoTubs today.
Avatar 🤖 12:00pm
herb.nyc:

Yest NYTimes has a Techmology 8pp section. But it looks like a marketing ploy by Deloitte, for they have 3pp of ads. I will now put a notation for Techtonic in it, this a library copy. ie, it's OURS!
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Irwin:

Bathtubs Over Broadway Over the Airwaves (and Internet)
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ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtabonds!
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dale:

blippy bloop.
  6:01pm
melinda:

Bloop tink
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northguineahills:

privet, tekhnicheskiye lyud!
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queems:

hey folks
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicollaborationists!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtobines!
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chris:

Hi, Mark and techtubbies. looking forward to seeing that doc!
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Rich in Washington:

hello!
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dale:

my bathroom is a private kind of place. unless i leave the door open and the cats come in.
  6:03pm
sim:

这是最好的广播电台
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Beast of Boonton:

Hi everyone!
  6:03pm
sim:

this is the best radio station!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
dale:

irwin - can silicones repair the cracked soles of my blundstone boots?
  6:03pm
Dava W:

Hello, Technotubs!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
listener james from westwood:

Ahhh, you have a pic of the Monopoly Man!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Megaroni:

Thanks Techtonic! Your show makes my monday so much better
  6:04pm
Daddy_Hernlet:

Good evening commute all!
  6:05pm
melinda:

@dale I had to have my Blundstones re-soled with rubber.
Avatar 6:05pm
northguineahills:

No puedo pretender ruso. Hola tecnocratas
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

I would actually kill for a musical celebrating the Epyx Varityper™ phototypesetting system.
Avatar 6:06pm
northguineahills:

(I just listen to a certain podcast from someone in the Baltics that uses a lot of Russian).
  6:07pm
Jaz-Paz:

@MH: You have the cutest, most adorable theme music, but your shows contain horrifying content. I feel conflicted.
Avatar 🤖 6:08pm
herb.nyc:

I am one block away from the GOOGLE pop up store in soho, 131 greene street. maybe people should start a protest here. if not, there's a vg burrito truck, OAXACA, and we can fill up.(truck is closed at 4pm)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
dale:

regular cobbler did that melinda? this is my second set where the rubber just started to disintegrate.
  6:09pm
sim:

Can Google grow in China? I though everyone uses Baidu.
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northguineahills:

Oaxacan food is my favorite Mexi food!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
dale:

i fonud them like new at the salvay for ten bucks so i can invest a little.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno:

Firefly got canceled again?
  6:10pm
sim:

It's tech insiders and developers who have the greatest influence, I believe.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Bas NL:

I switched to DuckDuckGo recently.. works good an fast.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Rich in Washington:

Ok. My Android apparently heard 'Google' enough that it activated Google Assistant.
Avatar 🤖 6:14pm
herb.nyc:

I'm gonna ask Walt Mossberg to write to New York Public Library, that NYPL should ban FaceBook. just like it bans pornography. (well, maybe I won't ask him.)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I have it on good authority that the country of Brazil has been courting an Amazon headquarters. They offered to rename the principal waterway to the Amazon.com River.
Avatar 6:15pm
northguineahills:

Mark hasn't accepted my FB friend request :( :p
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

Been off Facebook for a handful of years already: was kicked off during the first Great Culling of accounts with "fake names." Since then the interface & things have changed so much I have no idea how it's used anymore. Needless to say, never missed it for a second.
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TDK60:

Hei der.
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ultradamno:

"I don't like the sound of that cough, should I contact a mortuary?"
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Bas NL:

(cough)
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βrian:

The barking dog audio that's set off by the doorbell might skew this data.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I recently received an email from Hertz car rentals about their new service the uses facial recognition to speed your way out of the parking lot. I'm not signing up for that, thanks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Paul T:

@Rev Turnip
Was Varityper one that was using paper tape to store the info? Used something like it in my graphic arts courses in the 80's
Avatar 🤖 6:22pm
herb.nyc:

finally, we can hear the song "we're an industrial band".
Avatar 6:23pm
Beast of Boonton:

Is anyone here using smart switches?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
ultradamno:

Privacy concerns aside, giving someone a genealogy test is just giving them a pain in the ass. I get to spit in a tube all day and then go to the trouble of shipping it to some Mormons? Thanks sis!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
ultradamno:

imgbox.com...
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northguineahills:

I was hoping for NIN on Broadway!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
dale:

i think i have that oldsmobile album, or a newer one if not that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
queems:

here we gooooo
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Paul T:

Hacker chats with Canadian thru his security cam

motherboard.vice.com...
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

@Paul T: The model I used (ages ago, naturally) was a page-composition terminal that output designs to PMT paper; you had to run it through a liquid photo-processor (same as photos; developer/fixer/etc) ... Time consuming as hell, of course.

Then you'd take the developed PMT, trim, run it thru a wax machine, & do manual paste-up. OH the joys of pre-postscript publishing poop.
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dale:

'buy' back?
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dale:

oh a 'BE' back.
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ultradamno:

Do The Frito Twist: www.youtube.com...
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queems:

very festive
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Folsom:

Links don't open up in a new window again.
  6:26pm
Listener Robert:

I don't remember how Jean P. Shepherd got involved with industrials; I'm sure he explained it, but I forgot. Anyway, he was the first I heard play recorded excerpts from industrials. I remember one bit with the patients singing about how they enjoyed their appendectomy and hysterectomy while wearing a disposable surgical gown. Shep explained that all of this is tongue in cheek, because how else can you be entertaining and sell at the same time? Because of the type of audience, you can come off to them in ways you wouldn't dare to the general public.
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dale:

i used to use a phototypositor, pmt machine, state camera, lucigraph, all that good stuff that probably will give me alzheimer's.
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Paul T:

@ Rev T D
Had so much fun with PMTs (Photo-mechanical transfers)
Avatar 6:28pm
βrian:

Here's a smart switch: www.youtube.com...
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chresti:

Just tell the "be back" that they sound ill and are unemployable if they leave without buying an Oldsmobile
Avatar 6:29pm
TDK60:

.. old-school phototypesetters, how many typefaces would they have, on average? graphics?
  6:29pm
Dean:

That bathroom song gets airplay on WFMU.
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chresti:

Rev TD-I used to do paste up, loved the waxing machine
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Rich in Washington:

Seeing Dave's Record Collection segments as a teenager got me into buying weird records in thrift stores in the first place, which became a lifelong obsession for me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Paul T:

Standing in front of the camera squinting at the pulsating xenon light source, almost blinded just to get an early selfi.
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Fredericks:

About 2/3rds of the way through this podcast Mike Pesca expresses a very different take regarding Amazon and New York.
slate.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all! @Folsom, reload & try again :)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
ultradamno:

My Bathroom Is A Private Kind Of Place: www.youtube.com...
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Paul T:

Not sure @TDK but comic sans was not an option...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
dale:

i don't know how many negative film rolls were made for the photypositor, that was a camera based system. hard type was around for a long time so you had a huge collection of slugs at your disposal.
  6:33pm
JakeGould:

My bathroom is a private place.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Folsom:

@Mark Thanks!
  6:35pm
sim:

I like the MCU, especially on IMAX
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I like movies w/ full stories
...& CGI explosions in 5.1
...They're finally genetically modifying humans - does that count??
....Alexis: Flush...
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chresti:

taking selfies with the xerox machine was fun
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
chresti:

...or STAT machine
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βrian:

Grayscale buttocks, those?
Avatar 6:37pm
northguineahills:

Not knowing wtf is going to go in a movie is why Jodorowsky's "Holy Mountain" Makevejev's "Sweet Movie" are some of my faves.
  6:37pm
sim:

My pop was a typesetter for a newspaper. ETAOIN SHRDLU!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
dale:

when you're in the broadway world probably any work is great work and you gave it your all.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
ultradamno:

He's A Penney Man: www.youtube.com...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Ok - here's Irwin's show on Industrial Musicals :
wfmu.org...
...if he doesn't have more...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
chresti:

@Brian: no buttocks, just squashed faces
  6:41pm
Listener Robert:

Rabbit, think you can find Jean Shepherd's show on industrial musicals?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ultradamno:

Dance The Slurp: www.youtube.com...
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chresti:

Hah dale!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
dale:

irwin had sport murphy on air a loooong time ago.
  6:44pm
Dava W:

Thanks for having me, Mark!! That was fun!
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northguineahills:

I thought this interview would bring out Irwin, I remember that show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
chresti:

Thanks for raising my cortisol levels, Mark
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chris:

Dava, thank you! think silicone!
Avatar 🤖 6:46pm
herb.nyc:

here's a WNYC thing on BATHTUBS - www.wnyc.org...
  6:46pm
Dava W:

Chris, I never stop thinking about silicone.
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dale:

a lot of the tunes here.

www.industrialmusicals.com...
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northguineahills:

Really, it's being screened in Mississippi and not FL, ack ! (sometimes I hate my state, ok I usually do, I just love my town).
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dale:

salesmen probably felt like they were heroes hearing these tunes about themselves. and to think that they just went for the rubber chicken dinner and free booze.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Bas NL:

Catchy tune!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
ultradamno:

One I really liked off Product Music but couldn't find online was another American Standard song called Look At This Tub
  6:50pm
Dava:

@northguineahills: Hoping that we'll get some screenings in FL soon. Lots more to be announced soon on bathtubsoverbroadway.com/screenings
Avatar 6:51pm
Fox:

I find it interesting that there is a kind of opposite trickle-down effect with regards to art and industry. When the average CEO made 12 times what the average worker made, artists were proud of their work, and saw it as a means of keeping up their chops and maybe experimenting with some new concepts. Now, with the CEO making, what was it she said, 300 times what the average worker makes? It's another gilded age, and artists who work on that scale, I'm assuming have little creative control, and would not be proud of that work. They'd be seen as a shill by their fans, and probably see themselves in that way as well.

This has happened to the entire film industry, as well as comicbooks. Too much money at stake kills creative risk.
Avatar 6:52pm
northguineahills:

There's a town 60 km from me founded by the original JC Penney as a retirement town for his parents in the 1920s. Still exists today. I used to go there to sing xmas carols to the elder folk as a kid.
Avatar 6:52pm
northguineahills:

gracias, Dava!
Avatar 🤖 6:53pm
herb.nyc:

funny how Mark says "vinyls". (not funny haha, ya know)
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TDK60:

.."buying weird records in thrift shops"?! what kinda people am I hangin' out with here?
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

What they said.
Over some 30 years I've ended up with a bizarrely huge collection of these records: everything from sales-pitch advice for Domino Sugar reps to really dodgy LPs about "how to sell to women," etc. Fascinating stuff.
  6:54pm
mrmikestandsir:

vinyl is plural for vinyl
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The WoofMoos Sell Out...
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

Medical seminar LPs are a genre unto themselves. ALL ARE CRUCIAL.
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Rich in Washington:

The plural of vinyl is records
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northguineahills:

@TDK: What is this insanity! Who are these people! :p
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Fox:

Yay Irwin!
  6:56pm
sim:

Yay, Irwin!
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chris:

Dava, boo-boo on the screenings page for San Rafael. :) I will be going there to see it. yay!
  6:56pm
sim:

@Fox. Synchronicity!
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Bas NL:

Hi Irwin!
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chris:

thanks, Mark. fabulous!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm
mrmikestandsir:

@ rich in washington yes!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...How to Succeed in Bathrooms W/out Ever Retiring...
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chresti:

Thanks for the link dale
I think the tech titans should be required to perform musicals
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northguineahills:

Thankyous Mark!
  7:00pm
Dava:

@chris, thanks for catching that. Now fixed. Starts dec 21 in san rafael. :)
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks to Mark Zuckerberg for his efforts to make bathrooms more open and connected.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
thanks bathroom!
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ultradamno:

"Making faces at my face" is one of my favorite lyrics. It's almost Roky Erickson worthy.
  7:01pm
Dava:

Thanks again, Mark, and thanks to Irwin for calling in!!
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chresti:

haha revrabbit
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks for joining us, Dava! (And Irwin!) And thanks for all of you listeners for joining this evening! This was fun.
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Webhamster Henry:

H folks - chiming in from the Archives...
I did a special show on WFMU (a guest of Dorian) back in the 90s on Industrials with some of my collection.

Here's one of them (Xerox: Take It From Here): www.wfmu.org...
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