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Favoriting April 17, 2023: Meredith Broussard, author, "More than a Glitch: Confronting Race, Gender, and Ability Bias in Tech"

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Today: Meredith Broussard, author, “More than a Glitch: Confronting Race, Gender, and Ability Bias in Tech”

More than a Glitch: Confronting Race, Gender, and Ability Bias in Tech, by Meredith Broussard

meredithbroussard.com, Meredith’s site

Interview of Meredith in Technology Review (March 10, 2023)

Meredith’s first appearance on Techtonic (May 28, 2018), speaking about her book “Artificial Unintelligence: How Computers Misunderstand the World”

On disability dongles

Disability Dongle (by Liz Jackson, Alex Haagaard, and Rua Williams, Apr 19, 2022) offers several case studies and this definition:

Disability Dongle: A well intended elegant, yet useless solution to a problem we never knew we had. Disability Dongles are most often conceived of and created in design schools and at IDEO.
One case study concerns “haptic footwear”: Lecha is a “smart footwear company” that “seeks to create an intuitive and user-friendly wearable technology for visually-impaired people.” But as with other disability dongles, it seemed to overlook the reality on the ground:
Lechal’s marketing narrative ignores the possibility that “few had thought to tackle this problem” because it is not, in fact, a problem. Blind and low-vision people have been using white canes for such a long time because they’re reliable, reasonably cost-effective tools that meet their needs.
White canes! Much like the wheelchair ramp that Meredith talks about in the interview: simple, low-tech, low-cost, and effective.

In other news

Not magic: Opaque AI tool may flag parents with disabilities: “Over the past six years, Allegheny County has served as a real-world laboratory for testing AI-driven child welfare tools that crunch reams of data about local families to try to predict which children are likely to face danger in their homes. Today, child welfare agencies in at least 26 states and Washington, D.C., have considered using algorithmic tools, and jurisdictions in at least 11 have deployed them, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.”

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Listener comments!

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chresti:

Hi Mark and tectonicans!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonutants!
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Buckaroo:

Hey, Mark! Met your Aunt and Uncle while I was visiting Fairhope, AL a few days ago. They noticed my WFMU bumper sticker and stopped me for a chat. Super-nice people!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! All!
  6:03pm
Lunchbag9000:

That Tahini interview. Can I get my pledge to WFMU back?
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herb.nyc:

meow! this is funny, our guest's book from 2018: “Artificial Unintelligence: How Computers Misunderstand the World”. funny but maybe not in the ha ha sense.
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Doug in MP:

↳ Lunchbag9000 @6:03
lol. It's freeform, after all. But jeez...
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark. Welcome back from suspended animation.
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all! Excellent to see Prof. Broussard back on these airwaves!
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Hopey Sockmonkey:

What's up, Techtonics?
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ultradamno:

What happens when you input M3gan meets Matt Gaetz into Shutterstocks IA image generator twitter.com...

What Bing's comes up with twitter.com...
  6:07pm
Jackie G:

Japan? Cool.
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyons!
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Bas NL:

Roger had excellent interviews!
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melinda:

hi Mark and friends
  6:08pm
queems:

interesting
  6:09pm
mr 6:

Does anyone remember the name of the book about the explorers being hunted by Polar Bears? The author I believe was a guest on Techtonic Every search resin a children’s book
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
DjLorraine:

Greetings Mark and listeners
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MarciB:

Hello fellow listeners. Looking forward to tonight's show.
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ultradamno:

Heh, heh....journalist
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James Akers:

Loved the Artificial unintelligence book, excited to hear/ read this one. A timely topic from a brilliant author!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Buckaroo @6:00
Hey @Buckaroo, yes they told me all about it - so cool! Appreciate you checking in here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ mr 6 @6:09
This one?

www.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining! Good to see you again after a few weeks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
listener james from westwood:

"You call THIS a GLITCH?!" —The Old Man, RoboCop
  6:11pm
yippie:

how do you say Mark Hurst in Japanese?
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coelacanth∅:

bug
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Doug in MP:

↳ mr 6 @6:09
This one? Icebound by Andrea Pitzer
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Carmichael:

↳ yippie @6:11
Mark San
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Doug in MP:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:11
Tag team!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Doug in MP @6:12
I'm going to allow it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ yippie @6:11
マルク, Maruku - my Japanese name. Not sure about Hurst.
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Doug in MP:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:12
You are the avatar of grace and fairness
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:13
A friend of ours just got back from Japan. Brought us a pair of lovely cocktail glasses, a bottle of Suntory, and pens and stationery.
  6:14pm
Jackie G:

Maruku san
  6:14pm
yippie:

nice katakana for mark but yeah Hurst seems like a big mystery in Japanese
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:14
That is an excellent gift package.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ yippie @6:14
Hurst in Chinese, on the other hand, I do know - my last name is 何, pinyin "He" (full name is 何马克).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

There should be a graphic novel series where Maruku-san battles monsters trying to steal data, shut out competition, repress independent thought, etc. Like Godzilla, but with more music.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:18
Only if KfHP-san is also there as a hero.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:18
His hidden lair can be called Dvořák.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
melinda:

Yes normalizing surveillance is the primary problem
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Handy Haversack:

↳ melinda @6:20
Though the normalizing seems like a by-product of *capitalizing* it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:19
A lair that is widely accessible but almost no one uses!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:21
Maybe "strategy" rather than "by-product."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:21
The perfect disguise!
  6:22pm
Sam:

We need a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right not to be subjected to facial recognition
  6:23pm
lieutenant lambrusco:

Great laugh 😅
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melinda:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:22
agree
  6:25pm
Sam:

Technology should be avoided at all costs. Things should be like the 70’s as much as possible.
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DjLorraine:

Did dj Paradox also see Japan? I've heard some views are exquisite
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melinda:

↳ Sam @6:25
8-tracks forever
  6:28pm
Sam:

It was nice in the 90’s when everyone wanted to go retro and old school and tech was considered gauche and dorky. That’s still my mindset
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
ultradamno:

I could live without hearing Shannon on the radio all the time again
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Mark Hurst:

↳ DjLorraine @6:26
DJ Paradox was there, yes - and we saw some amazing views of Mount Fuji and the Japanese alps. Really enjoyed our time there.
  6:29pm
Marie in Queens:

Maybe a kind of United Nations for technology would be a good thing (though I know the UN has a lot flaws)
  6:30pm
mr 6:

Doug yes!!! Thank you
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Sam @6:28
Good mindset
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mndave:

↳ Sam @6:28
I could fire up the 28.8 modem and see a sports score BEFORE the paper arrived at 4PM. Just the idea of 'opting in' to tech in a sit-down session is one that I miss
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chresti:

When you apply for a loan to buy a house, why would you need to state your ethnic/racial background?
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PaulRobeson1923:

American with Disabilities Act
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PaulRobeson1923:

Elevators too
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melinda:

↳ chresti @6:30
good question
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PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Hi Hi
  6:31pm
Sam:

↳ chresti @6:30
I don’t think the computer actually has that information
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Bas NL:

Remove all curbs.
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coelacanth∅:

that applies to possibly ALL things.
medicine, music, food cultivation, communication, transportation...

but black/white; right/wrong; good/bad ...is what the governments, via the media, has created because it weakens the masses.
the zombie world.
  6:33pm
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There is plenty downsides about curb cuts. Curbs function to direct water to drains. Curb cuts lead to permanent puddles.
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Baja Joe:

Hi Mark. Interesting talk.
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chris in the redwoods:

hi, Mark and tech thinkers!
i (the company i worked for at the time) was sued because a website i had created was not as accessible as it needed to be. i was tremendously grateful for the opportunity to correct my mistakes, and i learned a great deal about accessibility from the process. really good experience for me as a software goober.
  6:34pm
Jackie G:

↳ @6:33
Lots of those curb cuts are never used. Kind of a waste
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Baja Joe @6:34
Thanks!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ chris in the redwoods @6:34
Good to hear (about the improvement) - learning opportunities are good news!
  6:36pm
Jackie G:

Chat GBT sounds like a nickname for a basketball player.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ chris in the redwoods @6:34
Europe is demanding a lot of accessibility function in e-books by 2025, which means American publishers might actually have to learn these things too.
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tim from washington:

Hey Mark! Great interview! Hello everyone!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ tim from washington @6:38
Thanks, sir
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Sam @6:28
Sam, the 90s... fashion hippies, fashion punks, ecologists with suvs, progressives who buy single-serving oatmeal? (of course that's only worse now, but it escalated in the 90s)
  6:39pm
Marie in Queens:

Algorithmic auditing--right on!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:39
Did anyone read Chuck Klosterman's book on the 90s? I've seen it mentioned and wonder if it's good.
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coelacanth∅:

Mark, i've not.
should i?! never heard of it
  6:42pm
Jackie G:

Isn't technology addicting? Kinda hard to not use it when it's right at your fingertips.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Folsom:

Mark, can you list out those books she mentioned?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

off the top of my head I think they were: Safiya Noble, Algorithms of Oppression; Ruha Benjamin, Race and Technology; O'Neil, Weapons of Math Destruction
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herb.nyc:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:40
i mighta read some 90s chuck k. he's super funny, and his mind veers all over. (i read one essay where he sez that disco may overtake punk as THE music of the 70s. relates to winners writing history. i'd let evan funk davies write THAT history.
  6:44pm
Jackie G:

Klosterman wrote some cool articles for Esquire some years back. Really like his writing.
  6:44pm
Marie in Queens:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:43
those sound great. Great shoe today. Thanks!
  6:45pm
Old Dave:

Interesting.
I liked when she said reading a book to one's child is still acceptable behavior...
Great show, where I've had many a fine subsequent read!
  6:45pm
Evil A.I.:

Deee-stroy the curb cuts!! Hahahahaha!
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ultradamno:

By the way, speaking of some time air time neighbors, The Arbitrarium just turned 2 on Friday....
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chresti:

Thanks Meredith!
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coelacanth∅:

they've usually spent someone else's money on it anyway... ultimately often the taxpayers'. so, like police department toys and excessive gear, and EVERYTHING the federal government does... they don't care about the wasted money, because it wasn't their money.
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James Akers:

Weapons of Math Destruction was a good listen. Available from New York public library as an audiobook
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
ultradamno:

↳ herb.nyc @6:43
It certainly rivals punk for backlash at the time and longevity
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chresti:

The curb cuts I've seen are on corners that have drains.
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PaulRobeson1923:

American History is a A blank page in the minds of most Americans
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Lacking nuance
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Handy Haversack:

Sophia Noble on Techtonic: www.wfmu.org...
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PaulRobeson1923:

We are a people on the go! America is on the move! We have no time for history!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:49
Sorry, Safiya Noble.
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ultradamno:

twitter.com...
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PaulRobeson1923:

Nothing! Nothing! Nothing! Not a G-D damn thing
  6:50pm
Jackie G:

There is no truth, only facts.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Defund Space-X!
  6:51pm
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What was the controversy exactly over Taibbi last week?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
tim from washington:

I live next to and work at the U of Illinois. The school has a massive computer science program and also a inovative disability resources program focused on improving accessibility back to the 1940s. I wonder if the 2 work together?
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tim from washington:

I don’t know who Taibbi is so I enjoyed his interview with Ken. I guess it’s good I didn’t have any filters.
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Doug in MP:

I turned off the radio when Ken emphatically called the Hasan interview an "ambush", when it was actually just Taibbi's ass being pulled out for everyone in the world to see
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herb.nyc:

spk'ng of what we DONT do in this country, i saw some of it. watched a dvd of VICE, the 2018 movie about dick cheney. lots of bad stuff is done by the 'good' guys.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Have we surrendered culture to technology?
neilpostman.org
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
coelacanth∅:

the corporation (democrats-republicans) delights in the success of the "conspiracy theorist" campaign
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
DjLorraine:

🙏マルク, Maruku 🙏
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Handy Haversack:

What I said last week:

I think what bothers me about the whole discussion (and while I wouldn't speak for Mark, what seems to have the most resonance with what we discuss here frequently) isn't the extent to which Twitter was or was not hand-in-glove with government "intelligence community" for censorship or whether Twitter censorship is now just based on the whim of an egoistic libertarian fuckwad but that we're at all surprised by any of it. Twitter does not exist for us or for any user. It has always and only been based on monetizing engagement through the manipulation of a publishing environment. The point isn't how terrible it was then because of THEM or is now because of OTHER THEM but that it is rotten to its core and cannot be redeemed and the only logical response to is abandon it entirely and let it die alone, as it deserves. Otherwise, we're just continuing to stick our hands in the fire and act shocked when we get burned.
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James Akers:

The Taibbi interview was very good, and Ken was a good interviewer. Like Tim from Washington- I didnt know much about him before
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ultradamno:

I think Taibbi was very good at the is this quote one person or say, Hitler games on TARFU...
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dale:

open-minded commenters became closed-minded commenters.
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chresti:

So tech titans are editing content in posts made by what?
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chris in the redwoods:

↳ tim from washington @6:52
i hope so, but somehow i would be surprised if they were.
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Handy Haversack:

And thanks for THIS week, Mark! Difficult truths are desperately needed. Thanks for presenting them.
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Zinn The Mood:

Taibbi’s investigative journalism of the past couple of decades has been among the very best we’ve seen. His books are excellent as

The Truth is not partisan- absolutely!
  6:57pm
Jackie G:

Just the facts, sir. Facts can not be debated
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DannyBoyNYC:

The "truth" can be very partisan. Always has been.
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G:

The Fourth Amendment has been effectively a dead letter for years, since the Patriot Act. This new proposed anti-TikTok legislation would make it way worse. We'll see what happens. Voters need to make it an election issue or the government will keep doing what it thinks it can get away with. Hating on Taibbi is a typical "shiny new Xmas ornament" that those in charge of the surveillance state and the surveillance industry use to deflect attention from themselves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
PaulRobeson1923:

The truth exists! There is a promontory of truth! That stands forever!

In America, if the warden says eat- you either eat or starve. Taking it off here boss
  6:57pm
P-90:

Appreciate the passion and emphaticism in that last oration @Mark
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chris in the redwoods:

it has been helpful! thanks, Mark!
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Dano59:

I agree with Mark 100% - no one 'side' has a lock on the truth
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Jackie G @6:57
"There are no facts, only interpretations. And this too is an interpretation."

--Nietzsche
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:57
Boooo
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Meredith! Loads to think about.
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James Akers:

the truth might be free from partisanship, but its presentation might not be
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James Akers:

great show
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Some media outlets go with alternative facts, which seems not helpful. Thanks, Mark. Welcome back!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
ultradamno:

Well, I have this show for those things, I don't really need him.
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Zinn The Mood:

Hyper-Partisanship is the poison that has absolutely poisoned politics discussion in this country.

The only divide, as ever, is not Red/Blue but the 99% vs the 1%.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
coelacanth∅:

Thank you Mark! Thank you Meredith!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:58
Are you saying "boooooo" or "Boooooo-urns"?
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tim from washington:

Thanks, Mark! Keep challenging us!
  6:59pm
Sam:

↳ Zinn The Mood @6:59
You are correct
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ultradamno:

It's always booooo-urns
  7:00pm
Cletus:

I’m thinking Tahini has tens of thousands of subscribers from Russia for his media properties. Be interested to see an audit.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Zinn The Mood @6:59
All the -isms are the strategy of capital to divide workers against themselves.
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DannyBoyNYC:

↳ James Akers @6:58
So true.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @7:00
Divide and conquer
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chresti:

↳ Song: "Download Yourself" by "Felix Kubin"
Love Felix Kubin!
  7:00pm
Hans Moleman:

I was saying "Boooooo-urns."
  Swag For Life Member 7:10pm
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Handy Haversack @7:00
Absolutely!

Turn off MSNBC and Fox and talk to people. We’ve been screwed, all of us, by a corporate coup d’etat at the hands of a duopoly government who serve only their same “donors.”

Capitalism is the enabler and facilitator.

The rich win while we lose.
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Chris from Brooklyn:

Adjacent and substack related polarity wise… I’d proffer this guy is worse.

And ftr I’m on his mailing list because I can’t stand him.

But substack exodus?

greenwald.locals.com...
  12:03pm
James Akers:

Loved the Artificial unintelligence book, excited to hear/ read this one. A timely topic from a brilliant author!
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slowbear:

You're yelling, Mark. The "truth" may not be partisan, but to ignore the politics of who gets to tell the truth is naïve. Disappointed that you're plugging your ears and refusing to engage with this idea.
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