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Favoriting December 20, 2021: Maria, Meta, Musk: Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Ressa, arrogance from Meta, and TIME's person of the year, Elon Musk

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Tonight: Maria, Meta, Musk (Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Ressa, arrogance from Meta, and TIME's person of the year, Elon Musk)

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Maria Ressa's Nobel Peace Prize Speech - Oslo, 10 December 2021. (See also Dmitry Muratov, the other laureate.)

Facebook executive blames 'individual humans' for the spread of misinformation, saying they choose what to believe and what to share - Business Insider covers Axios on HBO's Ina Fried interviewing Andrew 'Boz' Bosworth (Dec 12)

• Friend of the show Chris Gilliard posts (Dec 13): “Look, we don’t *produce* the toxic waste, we just amplify and distribute it” says exec at toxic waste factory.

Time Person of the Year: Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, named most influential of 2021 (Dec 13, 2021)

• My : TIME is owned by Marc Benioff, CEO of Salesforce. So basically the headline is "Silicon Valley billionaire gives award to another Silicon Valley billionaire."

• Ernest Owens writes: "TIME owner Marc Benioff is an investor in SpaceX. Moving on..."

• E.W. Niedermeyer posts: "Time Magazine got this one right. We live in depraved, acquisitive, intellectually bankrupt times and nobody embodies our wretched zeitgeist quite like this bloated sociopath. Literally the hero we deserve."

• From Public Citizen: "Here’s an idea: How about we celebrate real frontline workers instead of a billionaire who increased his wealth by $228,000,000,000 during a global pandemic?"

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm spacecadet:

greetings technoids!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

Mark! Tecthominemineminems!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm herb.nyc:

hola techmologists!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:02pm batman:

Still reeling from last week’s episode…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm ultradamno:

I'm not any happier about Musk being the person of the year than anyone, but much more so than Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos, which takes the edge off a bit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm PaulRobeson1920:

Warm greetings from Huntington NY! Hi Hi Hi all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Will the Sound Guy:

Hi Mark and all!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm coelacanth∅:

howdy
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Drives!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

I'd say let "The Personal Computer" be ... something or other ... of the Year like 1983!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm chresti:

Hi Mark and technoidians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm melinda:

wow, 5 years
Avatar 🤖 6:04pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark & remarkables!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm nathan:

you gonna rip log4j a new one this week?
Avatar 6:05pm ARB:

Sharp criticism is what I asked Santa for
Avatar 6:05pm HyperDose:

haha love the Ikea instructions for the JW telescopey 🤗
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm tim from washington:

Hey Mark and everybody! Hit me hard, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm herb.nyc:

my 5yo brain doesn't understand the JNDI:LDAP meme.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm coelacanth∅:

(i think around 50, 50-something on the mothership...maybe 98 including all the alt-streams)
  6:05pm Jackie G:

What! No Mitch Miller and gang?! Must Be Santa.
Oh well.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Waiting for Musk to tweeter about how he could build a better, cheaper self-driving telescope than NASA.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm spacecadet:

the meme is making me want to change my username to ${JNDI:LDAP://
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm herb.nyc:

wow, imagine if that telescope was used in REAR WINDOW.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm listener james from westwood:

The new telescope is our best chance yet to discover the outer edge of Elon Musk's ego.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm nathan:

@herb i think it's a reference to the log4j security vulnerability, tho i don't know enough about it to get exactly what's going on there
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Webhamster Henry:

@Herb.nyc ${Jndi:ldap// ... is the beginning of the newly discovered "log4Shell" exploit which affects lots and lots of java-based apps. Hapless former girlfriend is labeled the the canonical but never real-worldly "Bobby Tables" SQL exploit from XKCD co mics: bobby-tables.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm herb.nyc:

maria ressa - buddha bless her, and all journalists. ever since i was a kid and watched ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN (having read the book), i was wowed by them.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Handy Haversack:

I walked by a Google spy tower and gave it the bird the whole way toward and past, and a poor kid behind me asked, "Is that for me?" I had be all, "No, it's for Google! There are eight spy cameras in that thing! We should all give them the bird!"

I *assume* I came off as debonair and in the know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm coelacanth∅:

there's nothing "not arrogant" about our space program.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

... although technically, "Bobby Tables" is Robert');DROP TABLE STUDENTS; , but whatevs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm herb.nyc:

@ web ham henry - thanks. lemme digest what youve written
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm shiloh in spirit:

can't believe that log4shell exploit's been around for YEARS
  6:10pm yippie:

i think elon should be prosecuted for manipulating financial markets
  6:10pm kevlicki:

Evening mark and all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm DjLorraine:

Evening folks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm nathan:

@webhamster, do you understand how that log4j exploit works?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Webhamster Henry:

I can't believe the thing that allows log4shell to "work" was ever though of, much less implemented.
  6:12pm kevlicki:

I encouraged Mark to check out Maria Ressa’s Nobel prize speech last week. It’s powerful stuff!

https://overcast.fm/+Jqkdf2Wrw/32:23
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm listener james from westwood:

Zuboff shout!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm Webhamster Henry:

@nathan I do! I can probably point to a better explanation, tough: nakedsecurity.sophos.com...
Avatar 6:14pm ARB:

Wow, love her! Thanks Maria!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm WR:

Wow! Pretty significant Nobel Peace prize this year. IMHO.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm B R M:

Maria Resa is the subject of the film A THOUSAND CUTS by Ramona Diaz, which is a great film about her (Maria has NJ roots!)... the film won the David Carr Award for Truth in Non-Fiction Filmmaking at my film festival last year. Must see!
www.pbs.org...
  6:16pm sufferwords:

yup
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Feldy:

This is great. I need all of it. All
  6:16pm Jackie G:

She is right. Facts First. Truth follows.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm DanFA:

Is it still too late to trade Elon Musk for Maria Ressa RE Person of the Year?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm DanFA:

Future guest in 2022?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Handy Haversack:

What an amazing and wonderful and concisely made point: epistemology *is* ontology. And when we submit to a system that prevents common systems of knowledge, we cannot even identify the existential crises that engulf us -- which is precisely what extratcive capitalism needs to keep maximizing profit at all costs, no matter how the island they stand on shrinks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm iiibeat:

Covid has been gigantic common thread. Facilitating exposure to all kinds of facts, advertisements and tracking . . I feel like the Zoom boon in particular was probably very important for deepening facial recognition.
  6:23pm ?:

no mention of the year of Burning, Looting, Murdering, and attacks on court houses and cops done by the left and coordinated on social media.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Handy Haversack:

*Not* our Bas, it must be stressed.

I ... think ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm iiibeat:

Mapping the human face, for AI . ..Not necessarily just an individual's facial tendencies.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm tim from washington:

WFMU's Bas in NL?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm DanFA:

This Boz dude looks like Louis CK's evil twin
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm tim from washington:

Oh Boz. What happened to the second o is Boz's name?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Listen to this guy's mighty, mighty Boz tones.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm DanFA:

Bro. Bro.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Handy Haversack:

Over here we also spell it with an "e," tim.

Wait, no, that's a hero I'm talking about.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm listener james from westwood:

@Ken: badump-tsss
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm iiibeat:

Tolerance is different than acceptance.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Feldy:

They like to pretend that they don't absolutely control what's being said and to whom. Not "freedom" of speech. Paid disinfo.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm shiloh in spirit:

this guy doesn't sound real hahaha
  6:27pm sufferwords:

scary
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm coelacanth∅:

i wish this guy would stop in to my local pub for a beverage... and a fist in the face
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm Handy Haversack:

James: that's also the punchline to "You hear the one about the drummer that fell out of the tree?"

What a nightmare.

coela, call me when it's on!
  6:28pm ?:

Have we lost perspective on "January 6th"? It was crude, stupid, ideologically "wrong," but mostly...a dud. Why has it become a landmark phenomenon?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm iiibeat:

What did William Burroughs transmit? Oh yeah . . "Nothing is true and everything is permissible" . . lol
Avatar 6:29pm HyperDose:

Mr. Bosworth sounds like a video game villain
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm WR:

Algorithms and paid content weren't mentioned in that excerpt.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm ultradamno:

Following the Axios tradition of finding the worst people on earth and letting them talk themselves into a corner
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Handy Haversack:

Any chance he's a horrible lich version of Boz from Halt and Catch Fire? Because that would be just a tragedy.
  6:30pm sim_mobile:

Facebook is a monopoly, as are the other FAANGs. Why not break them apart? They can still genuflect to the idea of free speech (in contrast to profitable speech), without having the overly large impact on society.
Avatar 🤖 6:30pm MarciB:

Again, dodging any responsibility of their harmful content.
Avatar 🤖 6:30pm MarciB:

@sim_mobile I'm hoping Lina Khan is listening to this show!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm chris in the redwoods:

calling farcebook a democratic technology is absurd.
also, hi, Mark and folks.
  6:32pm ?:

A hammer or a rake is a democratic technology. I can use a rake. You can use a rake. Your neighbor can decline to use a rake. The Web demands buy-in from everybody, the vile network effect. It's the opposite of democratic.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm joe mulligan:

when I used to work in sales for AdTech, one team exercise we played was "hot seat" where the reps would ask difficult questions to the "presenter" in the role play, and the biggest tips for the "presenter" was to repeat the question to buy time, and "redirect" the question and answer something else on your agenda not the questioners
  6:33pm castor:

Boz is a classic case of right-wing libertarian misunderstanding of what democracy and free speech actually mean
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm chresti:

MetaFace should be fined every time violence happens after being organized via face/meta
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Handy Haversack:

A rake is a democratic technology if everyone is issued one or granted the freedom to get one and *then* decides whether to use it.
Avatar 🤖 6:34pm MarciB:

@Castor-absolutely.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Blobs:

Preach!
  6:36pm wendy del formaggio:

YES! YES! I love when Mark Hurst gets pissed on mic. Rant on, my friend!
Also, hi everyone! Hope y’all are doing well.
  6:36pm ?:

I'm afraid that free speech does implicate amplification of toxic sludge.
  6:37pm Jackie G:

Boz needs a swift kick in the keister.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm spacecadet:

thank you for taking on the "facebook is the new telephone" company argument. I just had this debate with a relative.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Handy Haversack:

Hi, Wendy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm ultradamno:

Will they say they like it though?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Little Danny:

hello mark hello all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Handy! Yay!
  6:42pm yippie:

they even have antiweed propaganda on Facebook
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm joe mulligan:

very good point.. without the amplification of negative-sentiment activity there would not be a fraction of the divisiveness/hatred/polarization in the United States
  6:43pm sim_mobile:

Splitting Facebook would solve many issues.
  6:43pm ?:

But if Joe Ordinary makes a sexist/racist/anti=Semitic statement not related to hiring for employment or housing, etc., then it's legal. And if Facebook "amplifies" it, it's still not legal.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Handy Haversack:

I consider this show not nonpartisan but apartisan given that both controlling parties will bow to extractive and surveillance capitalism all day long if they think it gives them the slightest edge in maintaining power.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Wendy. Today's WFMU cheese chatter included talk of olives stuffed with bleu cheese.
  6:45pm ?:

That is, "it's still legal."

Facebook isn't unprecedented. There have always been "most valuable companies of the world."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm DanFA:

@KFHP - olives stuffed with bleu cheese mmmmmmm
Avatar 6:45pm ARB:

LOL love to hear sarcastic clapping on the radio
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm tim from washington:

I missed it when I was Time's person of the year. Does anyone have an extra copy I can have to show my mom?
  6:46pm Jackie G:

Hitler was Time Man of the Year. Trumpski was too. So....
Avatar 6:46pm Mike W:

Honestly, if you consider racism a problem, then in 2021 that kinda makes you partisan.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm coelacanth∅:

there's something skunky about it
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm DanFA:

seenonceleb.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm chris in the redwoods:

great point, Mike W!
  6:47pm ?:

Time magazine was always hack journalism. Don't get all nostalgic on us.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Hello KenFHP, and thanks for the update.
Avatar 6:47pm Megaroni:

Thank you Techtonic for calling out all of this injustice!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm StringOFperils:

I was gonna guess Captain Lou Albano
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm ultradamno:

Zuckerberg and Bezos have both been the person of the year, so Branson is the one most snubbed here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm joe mulligan:

oh shit Benioff owning Time? not good Captain Lou would be better, even from his grave. I can't stand seeing that penis tower in the SF skyline now
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Allegedly, Time's "person of the year" doesn't mean it's someone praise-worthy. It's just a notable person. That said, amplifying someone horrible by putting them on the cover of a mass-market magazine is NOT a neutral action. Time needs to acknowledge that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm ultradamno:

Though at least when Putin was person of the year, the word 'genius' wasn't being thrown around.
  6:50pm Jackie G:

Bezos will be Time person of the year in 2022 because his rocket looks more like a penus
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm StringOFperils:

Alone Mask
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm chresti:

LOL bloated psychopath
  6:51pm P-90:

Time absolutely should have reported that potential conflict of interest. It hard to imagine a valid excuse for that omission, even if the choice of Person of the Year is inevitably debatable.
Avatar 6:51pm Mike W:

Sales Force was just a test run for Space Force, bad stuff
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm ultradamno:

...though I assume Musk made the cover for being the second least funny person after Forbes to host SNL and the only one of the two to get praised for his performance.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Handy Haversack:

Gotta start snapping them beans, BUT: thanks, Mark. Great show.

Stay frosty, Techyons. Remember: being is conversation, and it lives right here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Little Danny:

that really got me too chresti, got quite a ring to it
Avatar 🤖 6:52pm Kevlicki:

Wendy, a quick search about when Hitler was named Time of the year brings up this quote
"TIME founder Henry Luce, who decreed that the Man of the Year — now Person of the Year — was not an honor but instead should be a distinction applied to the newsmaker who most influenced world events for better or worse."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm joe mulligan:

@Wendy makes total sense but worse off is that psychos who support the sociopathic man of the year winners will be validated. e.g. trump and supporters will say he won because he was great not infamous
  6:52pm dano59:

Musk represents the future and flying cars for all (all Bitcoin-riche people, anyway)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm DanFA:

@Handy- did the kid flip off Google?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm ultradamno:

Bezos was person of the year in 1999, I don't think they're barred from giving the honor to the same person twice, but it makes it less likely.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920:

Build the road of peace before you, build it wide and deep and long!






Hey, Look yonder
Tell me
What’s that you see?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Handy Haversack:

Baby steps, DanFA!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Franco Twinkie:

Years ago I was working for this company that shared a airplane hanger with this thing called SpaceX that nobody had ever heard of. One day there was this piece of a rocket ship sitting there. I thought it was a movie prop -part of it was made out of plywood! They kicked us out and the rest is history.
  6:54pm P-90:

Techtonic listeners are usually “debonair and in-the-know.”
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Wendy del Formaggio:

@Joe Mulligan: Exactly. That's basically what I was saying. And Time needs to act with more caution. Even publishing an article slaying the "person of the year" still means their face is on the cover, which equals amplification.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm WR:

If they want to be considered as common carrier, then they should be regulated as one, including full transparency on how the platform works.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm herb.nyc:

thanks for reading my comment, mark. bob woodward, co-author of ALL THE PRES MEN, has a daughter who is also a journalist. may they breed more journalists.

and just reading the nyc freebie, amny metro, just makes me sick. they break all the norms of good journalism.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm joe mulligan:

I thought that's what you were saying Wendy, we agree!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm tim from washington:

@Franco - you should have thought long term. You should have hid in the rocket ship and years later you could have been in space.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Handy Haversack:

Sure doesn't seem like Cop Mayor is going to say no to this ...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Wendy del Formaggio:

@Joe Mulligan: Yes we do! And about cheese, too, probably. :-D
  6:56pm Jackie G:

Nobody reads Time magazine anyway.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm joe mulligan:

haha of course!!
Avatar 6:56pm ARB:

Thank you Mark, great round up!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Another excellent episode! Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Franco Twinkie:

Tim, believe me. I thought of all kinds of mischief - after the fact!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm listener 126464:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm listener james from westwood:

thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm tim from washington:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920:

Thank you Mark!!!
Avatar 🤖 6:57pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm shiloh in spirit:

thank you Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Time for Musk to go.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm chresti:

Yay Daniel Blumin! Yay Mark!
  6:58pm P-90:

Merry Hurstmas!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm chresti:

Yay Ergo Phizmiz!
  6:59pm P-90:

… and Tech all a good night
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Little Danny:

thank you mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm ultradamno:

Sophisticated dotcom boom boom
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm joe mulligan:

thanks Mark! great outro choice Daniel, I remember living in the the thick of the boom (and the bust) in the silicon valley
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Hi Little Danny!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm WR:

Thank you Mark!
  7:00pm William Swan, Jr.:

Adolph Hitler and Osama Bin Laden were Time Magazine Men of the Year too.
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