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Options September 13, 2021: Decentralizing computers with Dave Ackley, founder of the T2 Tile Project

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Today: Decentralizing computers with Dave Ackley, founder of the T2 Tile Project

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Handy Haversack:

There was so much good info in the playlist last week that I still have *that* tab open!

Greetings, Mark and the Techyon Drives! I just finished the first Techgin of the evening, but there's definitely still room for Techtonic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtoniminators! 2!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends: Looking forward to decetralization today!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm DjLorraine:

Glad to be here
  6:02pm David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Carmichael:

Heya Tech faces.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Mark: Have you submitted your self evaluation from to HR? The due date was Friday.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm PaulRobeson1920:

Hi Hi Hi all! Hoooray for Mark Hurst & WFMU!!
Avatar 6:03pm ARB:

Hello Mark and lovelies!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm WR:

thank you for the correction, because I had tried to search for it and didnt find it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm herb.nyc:

Aww, how our child has grown. We are so proud of you, Techtonic. (Kissy)
Pssst, I’m thinking of Suzy Hotrod too!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Rich in Washington:

Helloooooo
  6:05pm DaveAckley:

I LOVE pinball!
Avatar 🤖 6:06pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! People!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Handy Haversack:

Glad to see you on the FM schedule, ARB!

I miss pinball. I also miss when I was actually OK at pinball.

Hey, David! Hey, ultradamno! And Webhamster H, DjLOrraine, Carmichael, PR1920, James, WR, herb.nyc, Rich, Bas, all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm chresti:

Hi Mark and kids of today!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
Avatar 6:07pm HyperDose:

Stoked for today's show!
  6:07pm DaveAckley:

Hi all!
Avatar 6:08pm ARB:

Thanks Handy!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm joe mulligan:

Mark that side-eye meme speaks 3,000 words!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Webhamster Henry:

Erik Kilkenny of the Sheena Stream is a big pinball fan.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

I will translate and obfuscate for you all.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm bukowski.:

beep boop hello world
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm herb.nyc:

No common ground w Matt or Amanda. Those two, go to yr room! Better yet, go outside and play!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Carmichael:

Also at least one confirmed Luddite😜 on the board ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mark Hurst:

Hi all! And Dave Ackley himself! Thanks for joining & welcome!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Evening.
The two questions :
How are Giant Monopolies over Tech bad for us ?
How is Tech in itself bad for us ?
Decentralization certainly a specific interest of mine.
Bill of Digital Rights
for We the Citizens of Cyberspace !
  6:10pm The Butterman:

Question? Does anybody know if my computer is plugged in? And what does this button do?
Avatar 6:10pm (Murakami Whywolf))):

herb.nyc:
Have you _seen_ this 'outside'!? Come on, there are _people_ there.

More seriously: there sought to be room for people like me who _don't_ like all that stuff.
  6:11pm DaveAckley:

Hi Mark! Couldn't miss it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Mark Hurst:

As promised, Dave, I linked to your YouTube channel at left :) Thanks for joining the day before your biweekly livestream! Here's the link if anyone missed it - www.youtube.com...
Avatar 6:14pm (((Murakami Whywolf):

Isn't it culturalist (or something) to dismiss mud huts?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm Handy Haversack:

Any interview that goes Larson this soon is off to a great start!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Webhamster Henry:

We were supposed to have memristor architected CPUs by now.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Erin in TO:

This is a great topic today Mark, thanks for putting this together!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh
...we are not talking about Corporate commercial decentralization...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm chris in the redwoods:

shoot! i'm late. tuned and locked now, tho.
hi, Mark and everyone.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Webhamster Henry:

Yes Slack! The CPU of the Subgenius!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Webhamster Henry:

Quantum computing is kind of fuzzy by nature.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Webhamster Henry:

Redundancy is the purpose of RAID storage.
  6:20pm Jackie G:

Is there another term for architecture?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm chris in the redwoods:

to complicate matters, there probably are multiple data centers for each data center (for disaster recovery, for instance)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm PaulRobeson1920:

@The Butterman @6:10 -good to c u!

Is the green light on?
  6:21pm DaveAckley:

RAID is a good example. It's kind of the exception that proves the rule though.
Avatar 6:21pm HyperDose:

Live by RAID, die by RAID
  Swag For Life Member 6:21pm caver_mike:

He just mentioned that the system needs to have more slack. Is he from the Church of the Subgenius?
Avatar 6:21pm (Murakami Whywolf))):

I have no problem with Google having infinite money—I just want _everyone_ to have infinite money.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm chris in the redwoods:

more users, another Fry's run. those were the days.
  6:22pm P-90:

Yugos!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Webhamster Henry:

Good old BeBoxes were designed of parallel and distributed processing - a fun demo was to turn off one of the cpus and it would just keep going.
  6:23pm Jackie G:

Watch "THe Mitchells Vs. The Machines. That'll scare the bejesus out of you. And it also funny.
Avatar 🤖 6:23pm Bas NL:

(RAID = Redundant Array of Inexpensive Devices)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Ike:

LOL @ the Yugo reference
  6:24pm Kpx:

Right now I'm watching this live feed of someone taking a walking tour through Brooklyn his name is action kid and somewhere in bensonhurst around the state parkway or something like that and he's near a Target's
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm herb.nyc:

I have a John van neumann postage stamp. I expect to have a mark hurst one in the future.

My little brain is kinda lost, but it sure is sexy talk between mark and guest.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Webhamster Henry:

The Connection Machine never was a device that had its own operating system, but it was designed to be a vast number of (stupid) processors that would be allocated to do parallel processing.
Avatar 🤖 6:27pm Bas NL:

Live was a lot simpler before Von Neumann.
  6:27pm JR:

Isn't this similar to how many of the novel AI accelerators are designed?
  6:28pm Beep Boop:

I'm hearing Quantum Arduino
  6:28pm DaveAckley:

Architecture -> maybe it's like the skeleton. Guts works well too.
  6:28pm Kpx:

Now he is at the water edge were there are all these people lined up along this iron fence watching the sunset
Avatar 6:28pm (((Murakami Whywolf):

Well, back in 1787 another word for 'architecture' in this sense was 'constitution', derived from the medical term for the arrangement and interfunctionality of the organs in a body.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm Mark Hurst:

@Dave thanks - yes, skeleton is better. Some of those guts could be (programmable) software! Whereas the skeleton provides the static structure...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Computational Anatomy ?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

@JR yes: AI needs basically lots and lots of "multiply adds" so: the new AI chips like that huge Tesla one are about doing that massively and efficiently.
  6:29pm DaveAckley:

JR: The latest 'T2sday Update' reviewed the Tesla DOJO project and the new Intel specifically about how they work for these purposes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Handy Haversack:

Absolut Hellscape.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh
...we *are* talking about Corporate commercial decentralization...
  6:29pm The Butterman:

PaulRobeson1920, the light is cycling through hundreds of colors...and flashing! That’s good, right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Mark Hurst:

@Handy imagine *that* ad campaign...
  6:30pm DaveAckley:

I like 'computational anatomy'!
  6:30pm Glistener MW:

This is awesomely interesting — thanks, Dave&Mark!
  6:31pm DaveAckley:

Thanks for the note Glistener MW!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Yay Corey Doctorow.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm PaulRobeson1920:

Architecture is a good way to describe what your talking about…. Like how the architecture of an institutional building (university dorm, or prison for example) can effect behavior and thinking by creating paths of least resistance
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm melinda:

hi everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Greenwashing'
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm PaulRobeson1920:

You’re*
  6:32pm Glistener MW:

Any interviewing citing the great Cory Doctorow instantly becomes Best Interview. <3
  6:32pm DaveAckley:

Exactly. People tend to overlook architecture -- everywhere -- but it's critical for how things work.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

*Cory
en.wikipedia.org...
  6:32pm Roland from Australia:

What Handy Haversack said !!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Mark Hurst:

@Glistener MW here's the interview with Cory Doctorow on the show a year ago: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Handy Haversack:

"We've been far too uncritical": and we let it happen so fast! As is discussed often here, imagine if fifteen years ago you were told you'd strap spyware on to monitor your every move so that someone could tell you your pulse rate.

"No reason we can't do it": is a relief to hear.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Erin in TO:

ooo bookmarking that one for myself, Cory Doctorow is always great to listen to
  6:34pm Glistener MW:

!!! I missed that show, thanks Mark!
  6:34pm The Butterman:

For people, by people. No, no,no. I mean for people BY ROBOTS! That’ll work out good for us.
  6:35pm Beep Boop:

Microcompu-trome? ( I got the last syllable wrong )
  6:35pm P-90:

Ackley mentioned “Two computers watching each other… talking to each other, yakking it up.” At the beginning of Ridley Scott et al’s 1979 movie “Alien”, the crew is in suspended animation when the unexpected, unexplained transmission is received. We see two computers (“Tom” and “Jerry”) light up and converse, “agreeing” that the crew should be alerted. A smart early suggestion that something like a big space ship would have at least dual independent control systems, constantly double checking each other.
  6:35pm DaveAckley:

'Microcomputome' like 'microbiome'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Cory on Psychedelic Salon :
psychedelicsalon.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Mark Hurst:

I hadn't thought of it until now, but it's another connection to the idea of "guts"
  6:36pm Beep Boop:

You wrote it- your TM
Lovin' it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Webhamster Henry:

@P-90 extraterrestrial satellites have redundant systems that consult each other to make their decisions and can be used for failover purposes. Hubble recently had to do this.
  6:37pm Glistener MW:

This started to veer towards cyborg-transcendentalism, and I’m all for that future. Which reminds me that I haven’t check in on what Steve “Cyberman” Mann has been up to for a few years now — must rectify this eve.
Avatar 🤖 6:37pm Bas NL:

Humans are made by bacteria for shelter, transportation and mass nutrient collection.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and web serfers.
I have a question. What kind of software would run in the distributed hardware? Linux or something new?
  6:38pm Jackie G:

Neil deGrasse Tyson has nothing on Dave Ackley. They both know their shit and can convey their ideas interestingly.
  6:38pm DaveAckley:

Hi Ken. In the long run it'll be something new. For now, the current T2 Tiles are running linux (under the hood).
  6:38pm DaveAckley:

Thanks Jackie G!
Avatar 6:39pm Jeff Moore:

I was just wondering if the word fiduciary would come up in this discussion!
  6:40pm DaveAckley:

Say the secret word and win $100!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Mark Hurst:

@Jeff did you win Bingo?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

There is no Transparency or - for us - Control.
Avatar 6:40pm HyperDose:

@Henry @6:36 So that's how they got her back online, I was curious!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Handy Haversack:

K8's question is why we need ANY device at all, whether to know us or not. (Maybe because we're already pretty bad at knowing ourselves?)
Avatar 6:41pm Jeff Moore:

...and not directly related to this discussion, whatever fragile platforms you're currently using: time to find the patches for CVE-2021-30860
Avatar 6:41pm HyperDose:

Zero Days exploited by CD-R, dang
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm PaulRobeson1920:

The Butterman - ok the light is on! ok yes, that is good!

Neil Postman wrote about comparing human anatomy to computer technology…… In “Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology”
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Handy Haversack:

I was never even in favor of power windows! Rush knew!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

Linux or other operating systems could be dissolved into micro services that would only be spun up as needed on these micro CPUs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Mark Hurst:

@Handy I tend to agree with K8 - would just add that *if* things are trending where we are going to have *some* sort of device, what is the best way to design them for good outcomes and avoid bad outcomes (which tend to benefit Big Tech)?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

Your IOT Smoke Detector could be mining cybercurrency.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm ultradamno:

Chastity Belt Ransomware: How Hackers Held People’s Genitals Hostage www.forbes.com...

...not to mention buttplugs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Mark Hurst:

@Handy ...hence my comments about designing things like embedded systems (antilock brakes etc.).. using connectivity at a minimum
  Swag For Life Member 6:43pm caver_mike:

Modern cars are computers with wheels. The best car ever: 1968 Volvo 122S. No electronics whatsoever!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm ultradamno:

Seriously people, keep your orifice plugs not smart.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm melinda:

New car tech freaks me out. Hoping to extend the life of my 2006 Scion as long as possible.
  6:44pm Jackie G:

Yeah, cars are so techtonic now, So much can go wrong. Yes, fragile. Always being recalled for this . Or that.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Mi-rgod:

@KFHP - Granted I missed the opening of this interview, but I feel like containerized microservices type software architectures are pretty well aligned to evolve to this type of hardware architecture. I'm using kubernetes to do some work of this type, so I say "I need one component to get 1/10th of a CPU and maybe 64 MB of RAM, and this other one to get 1/20th of a CPU", etc.

I do wonder if the hardware evolution is even necessary - I mean we can already request small slices of CPU and RAM in these containerized platforms. Again, maybe I missed some important context.

Also, to answer how do we prevent big-tech from co-opting. Remove the capitalism baby! The k8s I mention above is me trying to build a platform to support the establishment of, management of and communication between worker cooperatives. I'm betting I'm not the only leftist geek on here - we should start talking...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Handy Haversack:

And of course, insurance is discounted if you have ABS in your car, so soon that will be true (if it isn't already) about those connected systems as Big Tech and insurance reinforce each other.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm melinda:

@ultradamno omg. That's horrible but funny.
  6:45pm The Butterman:

The ONLY screen in a car should be a small one that says 91.1. That’s it. Anything else is stupid.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Mark Hurst:

See tiling diagram at left, top and center on the playlist.
  6:45pm Old Dave:

Yay indeed
Avatar 6:45pm HyperDose:

The Scion TC is sweet. Wish they still made them, especially the earlier ANT10 models
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Handy Haversack:

Butterman, we just tape a label that says 91.1 on the dashboard and then vocally re-create favorite episodes of Strength Through Failure whenever we're in the car.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Webhamster Henry:

One of my many rental car models mysteriously put the parking brake on a switch instead of being a lever or something.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Carmichael:

Top 10 Ways American Cars Would be Different if Ralph Nader Had Never Been Born

10. Dashboard hibachis
9. Seat belts made of piano wire
8. Windshield replaced with ant farm for kids
7. Strobe headlights make oncoming traffic look like old time movie
6. 50-foot antennas allow you to broadcast while driving
5. Optional front-seat hammocks
4. Wiper fluid reservoir routinely filled with thousand island dressing
3. New York City taxis would be exactly the same
2. The paper Buick
1. Speedometer replaced with electronic voice chanting "Punch it! Punch it!"
  6:47pm Johntypo:

Antilock brakes suck. They let you roll into intersection. Pump them is all you gotta do. With your foot. You can blow the fuse in older subarus and Toyota’s. And manually pump. On slippery stuff.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Handy Haversack:

Pretty much fine with 1-5, Carmichael!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Dave Ackley! And thanks for being on the board!
  6:49pm Glistener MW:

Dave — this was phenomenal! Thank you! I’m on your UNM site now
  6:49pm P-90:

Excellent. Thanks Dave and Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Carmichael:

Thanks, Mr. Ackley.
  6:49pm DaveAckley:

Other links: livingcomputation.org
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm ultradamno:

Yay ARB!
Avatar 6:49pm Joe B:

thanks Mark and Dave
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Rich in Washington:

ARB!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Erin in TO:

Fascinating interview, thank you Mark & Dave!
  6:50pm DaveAckley:

Thanks for listening Handy Haversack, P-90, Carmichael, all!
  6:50pm DaveAckley:

Thanks for the great comments Glistener MW!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Stillwell Coney Islander:

Hi Mark! Thanks Dave!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Webhamster Henry:

The history of computing has been the sloshing of capabilities from a central to distributed and back depending on the cost and speed of communication and the cost of storage and computation.
  6:52pm JR:

Very interesting topic. Much more than the usual "facebook is evil" ;)
  6:52pm Dave Miss:

Thanks for a good show Mark
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Handy Haversack:

And thanks as always, Mark! I think the Techyon Drives can take these more technical discussions in stride!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm ultradamno:

Well, Apple said that until they said they'd scan your phone for illegal pornography and then they said it again.
  6:53pm P-90:

Is the internet itself not an example of a kind of “decentralized architecture”?
  6:53pm Old Dave:

He can't be wrong. His name is Dave! Great show, thanks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm DjLorraine:

Thank you Mark Hurst
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm chris in the redwoods:

fascinating topic tonight. thanks, Dave Ackley! thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Webhamster Henry:

We're using greedy networked companies' services because the networks of information that they leverage SHOULD be maintained by a public entity and not private ones.
  6:55pm yippie:

much of the crypto market is highly centralized through the exchanges like coinbase binance kraken and gemini
  6:55pm DaveAckley:

P-90: The internet has issues, but it is a good example yes. Another take on the whole project is we should all have a 'personal internet in a box'.
Avatar 🤖 6:55pm Bas NL:

I'm just reading Technopoly!
  6:55pm David in London:

Had to lurk tonight, but that was a fascinating show today.
Thanks Mark. Night all.
  6:55pm DaveAckley:

You said it Old Dave! Thanks!
  6:56pm Jackie G:

Yeah, it is on Netflix
Avatar 🤖 6:56pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Dave!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm iiibeat:

Similar to the idea of decentralizing the Federal Government . .
  6:57pm DaveAckley:

Next T2sday Livestream is tomorrow Sep 14 at Noon Mountain time!
  6:57pm P-90:

Also recommended: “Ralph Wrecks the Internet” contains some astute satire of “big tech”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Feldpausch:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark & Dave. The latest money grab in new cars is subscription services. Pay by the month for special features.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Mark & Dave!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm WR:

Thank you Mark. Very interesting Dave Ackley. I look forward to learning more.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY As Ever
TY Mr. Ackley
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Rich in Washington:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920:

: )
Neil Postman gives the example of “virus” to illustrate his point.

Thank you Mark & Dave!!! Peace&LoVe ya’ll!!!
  6:59pm Dave Miss:

So many Daves
  6:59pm Roland from Australia:

Such a good program, so full of knowledge, thank you
Avatar 6:59pm HyperDose:

Simply amazing!
  7:00pm Bea:

Great song! Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm ultradamno:

Do they just throw babylon in there no matter what?
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