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Options August 2, 2021: Sports and tech, and a few movie picks, with Mark's friend Paul

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Tonight: Sports and tech, and a few movie picks, with Mark's friend Paul in Miami

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Will Oremus links to a baseball video clip: "this is a beautiful visual metaphor for the perils of automation, right down to the body language of the batter who can't believe he struck out because of a dumb robot umpire and the human umpire who's like 'hey i just work here, take it up with the algorithm'"

    -> A relevant comment on that post: "'Bill is getting the signal from above.' I love how discourse around black boxes (or systems that appear as black boxes to most of us) often require faith and have quasi-religious overtones. In this case, the algorithmic decision coming from ABOVE."

• Paul in Miami writes, in response to the clip above: "A couple years ago a pitcher lost a perfect game on a horrible, indefensible call at 1st that should have been the 27th out. ... there was nothing that could be done. The crew didn’t overrule the call since the umpire at 1st was closest and made the call. Heartbreaking. But human. There is purity in error at times." Paul points us to this video (on toxic YouTube, sorry): "Call costs Tigers perfect game vs. Tribe"

• On private equity offshoring baseball-related jobs to China, from a Boondoggle newsletter by Pat Garofalo: "Miken Sports, a manufacturer of baseball equipment, recently announced plans to close a facility in Caledonia, Minnesota, and move its production to China. The company is jointly owned by Major League Baseball and a private equity firm, Seidler Equity Partners, where the owner of the San Diego Padres is a leading executive." And then this (emphasis mine): "While you may love your favorite sport, your favorite sport doesn’t love you back."

• Here's the book (not movie) version of Ready Player One, by Ernest Cline

• My own recently viewed movie picks, all on Netflix: The Mitchells vs. the Machines, Bo Burnham Inside, and Wish Dragon.

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techthletes!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm DjLorraine:

Hi
Avatar 🤖 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Markonists!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park:

On your marks! Get set! Surveille!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm ultradamno:

I'll pay attention to the olympics when they add a battlebots category
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

Where's Bronwyn C for some Sporty Talk?
Avatar 6:07pm HyperDose:

@ultradamno Same, but rollerblading for me. It's a travesty.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

ESPN interviews me for a job:

E: Who won the World Series?
WH:I don't know.
E: Who won the Super Bowl?
WH: I don't know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm ultradamno:

Probably closer to that happening, with skateboarding getting in.
Avatar 🤖 6:09pm Hoboken Pete:

Not a fan of the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) in soccer during the Olympics. The reviews ruin the flow of the game and it gets really nitpicky.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mark Hurst:

Hi @ultra @james @Lorraine @Bas @KfHP @Webham @HyperDose! Thanks for joining in.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mark Hurst:

@Pete good point
  6:09pm Danny in Poughkeepsie:

I agree webmaster. Where is Bronwyn C???
  6:10pm Danny in Poughkeepsie:

Webhamster sorry
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm DjLorraine:

I just saw Julian Marley in concert and there were drones. Possibly taking pictures for the band or of the crowd. Are they friend or foe? Idk
Avatar 6:12pm HyperDose:

I like your wishful thinking, ultradamno. X Games 86'd aggressive inline back in '05. Been boycotting them ever since.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm DjLorraine:

Tour de France you have to radio for a replacement bike.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Olympic volleyball has the computer line judging eye as well.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm ultradamno:

Too close to rollerderby, I guess. If the athletes start having pun-based nicknames, I guess that just wouldn't do.
  6:14pm Roland from Australia:

Wow, good to be back.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Webhamster Henry:

A super cool piece of old sports tech is the photo finish camera.
finishlynx.com...
  6:17pm Danny in Poughkeepsie:

I agree with the batter
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Computerized bowling scoring takes the fun of math out of the equation, you might say.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm waiting for the Boston Robotics Baseball team, "the Spots".
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm DjLorraine:

Whaaat? Interesting
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Mark Hurst:

@Webham I'd hate to see a melee between the two teams at home plate
  6:18pm Ochre Ogre:

Hi Mark, a bit off topic but you might find this article about the current Olympics interesting, The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/02/nbc-olympic-coverage-peacock-replays-primetime
  6:19pm queems:

speaking of baseball and shitty algorithms, when i was at the mets game on saturday night, the corona advertisement/photo filter definitely did not work on any of the black people who came up on the screen
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Mark Hurst:

@Ochre Ogre thanks, will take a look! Sounds totally on-topic.
  6:19pm queems:

coronas as in beer, not virus
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Mark Hurst:

@queems sadly that is very consistent with the facial recognition software out there right now
  6:21pm queems:

@mark hurst i remember hearing about it so i wasn’t surprised but it’s still a bummer to witness
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Webhamster Henry:

@Mark I'm hoping for a kind of Survival Research Laboratories baseball experience.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm ultradamno:

I guess Belarus is very protective of it's coaches.
Avatar 6:22pm HyperDose:

Prejudiced facial recognition, what could go wrong? Surely law enforcement would never abuse that power.
  6:24pm Ochre Ogre:

HyperDose- Noooo, the popo would never do such a thing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park:

It evolves into blernsball, according to Futurama.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm listener james from westwood:

@Webmaster Henry: Yes! A hamster-controlled arachnoid robo-pitcher that fires balls at 250 mph at random targets.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm DjLorraine:

I noticed horseracing is more about winning money for ....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm ultradamno:

At it's peak when Wireless Joe Jackson played, he was a blern hitting machine
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Mark Hurst:

@queems two weeks ago, with Jon Fasman, covered the recent news of a wrongful arrest in Detroit due to faulty facial rec. I'd recommend the interview: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm Folsom:

didn't someone say that it is easy to defeat the shift by changing their stance but no one is doing it?
  6:28pm Ochre Ogre:

(the NBC coverage of the current Olympics).
  6:30pm queems:

@mark hurst thanks!! i definitely will check it out
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Folsom:

does aluminum foil in Slap Shot count as tech?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Mark Hurst:

@Folsom I'll allow it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Webhamster Henry:

"If we build it, they will come" was the model of venture capitalism pitches in the Dot Com Age.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Webhamster Henry:

@listener James I think you guessed my secret identity.
  6:33pm P-90:

Uh-oh, Paul pushed the Ready Player One button
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Mark Hurst:

@Webham yes... "If we build it and use our VC to unfairly undercut the prices of our non-funded competitors, they will come.. and then as we stamp out all the competition, they will have to STAY, even when we raise prices beyond where they were at the beginning!" There, a short history of the past 10 years of Silicon Valley. (And Amazon.)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Remember to check domain names when you set up your team names - www.deadspin.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Webhamster Henry:

Sports & tech: Real Steel
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm ultradamno:

We were talking about eXistenZ on People Like Us last week, not very sporty, but my favorite video game/VR movie
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Webhamster Henry:

eXistenz: one of many WHAT IS REALITY? movies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Mark Hurst:

@ultra good pick
Avatar 6:36pm Joe B:

for all the hype of the Moneyball A's, their two best players were steroid-addled sluggers (Tejada, Giambi) and their best pitchers were pre-Moneyball high school draft picks (Hudson, Mulder, Zito)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm ultradamno:

Videodrome being another, it's analog predecessor
Avatar 6:38pm HyperDose:

I'm still trying to understand Gleaming the Cube. Hard to pay attention when Christian Slater's dreamy mug is on screen.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm Mark Hurst:

Where is @David in London to help us compile a list of these movie recs!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm PaulRobeson1920:

Hi Ya’ll! Talk about long baseball careers!

Machines judging balls and strikes will fit into our Technopoly !!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm ultradamno:

Shaolin Soccer? I can't remember if tech was involved though.

If music competition counts, The Saddest Music in the World
  6:40pm Ochre Ogre:

Last month in the MLB American League All-Star Game, FOX mic’d up a host of players. The F bomb was dropped a couple times! I was Not offended.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm PaulRobeson1920:

I’m a spy
Avatar 6:41pm HyperDose:

Tom Hanks is amazing. Was just thinking about giving The Terminal a re-watch tonight
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm PaulRobeson1920:

in the house of Love
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The 70s Rollerball. Evil tech behind the scenes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm ultradamno:

Get Out and It Follows were the two, in my opinion, instant classic horror films in recent years. Loved Us too.
  6:41pm why:

this guy has the most boring NPR-core taste in movies I’ve ever heard. some film buff
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Webhamster Henry:

I've been watching old movies on Critereion.com and Kanopy.
  6:44pm Ochre Ogre:

Watched a lot of Film Noir on Youtube.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm ultradamno:

It Follows is kind of a relay race, so maybe a secret sports movie.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm ultradamno:

I think the second way you said is how it's said in the movie
Avatar 6:45pm HyperDose:

+1 for It Follows. Who doesn't love a good sex demon?
  6:45pm Ochre Ogre:

why- Think it had to be sports related movies.
  6:45pm Roland from Australia:

Loving the movie suggestions- thank you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm ultradamno:

Triplets Of Belleville..bike race!
  6:47pm Peter from Dover NJ:

Late to the party 🥳 but here's an under appreciated movie. THX 1138. Quite dystopian and prescient.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm ultradamno:

The Good Place solution to the trolley problem sarabizarro.medium.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Webhamster Henry:

That photo finish camera looks at a single vertical line (the finish line) and the film moves and also exposes a time counter in that line. You can get some amazing distorted images that way!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920:

22 years old?! People age out of cyber sports?

Satchel Paige was prevented from joining the major leagues until 42 years of age!!!

GOOD Sportsmanship is about human brotherhood. And fun baby
  6:50pm dano59:

Death Race 2000 - lo-budget sci-fi with tech that existed in the 70s.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm ultradamno:

I assume recently Jeff Bezos was a billionaire in a vomit comet
Avatar 6:53pm HyperDose:

@Peter Crazy how Lucas went from a quirky sci-fi movie to creating a masterpiece like American Graffiti with a lower budget. What a brilliant mind.
Avatar 6:54pm Megaroni:

Thank you Techtonic for this truth telling! You’re a bright light inspiring us all to stand up to the oligarchy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm ultradamno:

I can do both, go fighting cyborgs!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm RevErie:

thanks mark!
  6:55pm P-90:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 6:55pm HyperDose:

Thanks, Mark. Really enjoyed today's show!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm DjLorraine:

Thank you truly
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm WR:

Thank you Mark!
  6:55pm Tom from Stirling:

Yes! Wish Dragon is great!
  6:56pm Ochre Ogre:

Robot dogs with bone a crushing bite.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920:

m.youtube.com...

Link above is - Leroy "Satchel" Paige -song by Frederick Douglass Kirkpatrick · Pete Seeger & Jeanne Humphries 1972
Talk about long careers!


What we Value is most often not expressed explicitly. Make your values explicit. Horse racing for instance- was and is a way for artsitrcacy to show off their wealth like a divine right. 1850’s horse racing in Virginia for instance…or Saratoga today? What do horse racers value?
Avatar 🤖 6:56pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Time for an AI produced movie.
  6:56pm Ochre Ogre:

Thanks Mark
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920:

Spell it out, baby!
Thanks
Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm Ochre Ogre:

!!
  6:57pm Tom from Stirling:

Wish Dragon is smart and fun.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Stillwell Coney Islander:

Thanks Mark great show!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. It was I felt like I was really at the studio watching virtual reality skeeball!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm Roland from Australia:

Nice tunes and great show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
  7:24pm Neil Postman:

Here is a link to my 1992 book “Technopoly”

https://www.c-span.org/video/?31627-1/technopoly
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