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Options January 20, 2020: Jonathan Fischer, Slate's tech editor, on "The Evil List"

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Tonight: Jonathan Fischer, technology editor, Slate.com

The Evil List (Jonathan Fischer, Slate.com, Jan 15, 2020): a ranking of the "30 most dangerous" tech companies in the world.

@jon_fischer - Jonathan Fischer on Twitter

Items for today:

• From Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, Aug 28, 1963: "When the architects of our Great Republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. . . . It is obvious that America has defaulted on this promissory note." - Dr. King

• Second sentence of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The Future of America's Contest with China (by Evan Osnos in the New Yorker, Jan 6, 2020):
Xu told me she is “pro-China,” and I asked what she meant. “Most people who are within the sphere of the West kind of reflexively look at China and see, ‘Oh, wow, totalitarian dictatorship, oppression, no human rights, suffering.’ Just evil, right? To be ‘pro-China’ is simply to realize that’s not right; there is much more going on. It’s not perfect, but it’s just simply an alternative system.” She went on, “I would say that the ideals of human rights are not bad to aim for, but it’s not a universal, God-given thing. It was something that was consensus-driven at a certain point in Western history. If you look at Chinese social progression, things are genuinely getting better for most people, despite the problems. It’s more of a battle of narratives about values.”


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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Super-Techillains
  6:00pm John from Florham park:

Hello fellow technoids
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Handy Haversack:

Tonic Time! Hi, everyone.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Buffalo's Tom:

Hello, everyone!
Avatar 6:01pm BigCat:

Hey, fellow Tek Chronics!
  6:02pm melinda:

Hi all
  6:03pm Carmichael:

Heya Mark and IT folks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm chresti:

Hello T-time!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends!
  6:06pm Cabbage:

Hellooo
  6:09pm David in London:

Evening Techniks.
Avatar 6:12pm Fredericks:

Have you guys seen this? img.buzzfeed.com...*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm ultradamno:

You know, Dracula made much the same points about rights. So, good company.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Webhamster Henry:

"Human rights - how quaint" - super vilain Dick Cheney
Avatar 6:16pm TDK60:

Hello Mark and tekniks.
Avatar 6:16pm The Count of Al Dente:

China is a different country, culture and has views of their own that go back thousands of years. It's not proper to compare them to us.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

This is what I'm always saying :
We need a Digital Bill of Rights.
Avatar 6:17pm slugluv1313:

i have communicated with animal rights activists in China over the years -- they are totally driven and dedicated, but i have never forgotten what one woman expressed to me (approximately 12 years ago): human rights are basically non-existent, so getting people to care about "non-humans" is really difficult -- yet, they press on and keep fighting, for ALL beings' rights
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

... ~ Bill of Digital Rights...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm TedfromSouthSlo:

scary piece about Scary: Clearview AI. very scary: www.nytimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Megaroni:

What an inspiration to hear such courage! Keep it going Techtonic !
  6:35pm melinda:

@Rabbit I agree
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm ultradamno:

Is there a 12 Chan yet?
  6:36pm JakeGould:

What about 13 Chan?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Handy Haversack:

Good article in the Jacobin about SpaceX and Musk and Bezos and how they imaginatively paint continued worker exploitation into the space future while also perpetuating it in the here and now. Short version: Bezos loves but fundamentally doesn't understand _The Expanse_.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm ultradamno:

err, too.
  6:38pm JeffBeckTapeLoop1:

Hi Mark - Enjoyed your discussion on US vs. China, but wondering how you favor US, but disparage US capitalism which is at least as important to our values as the Declaration of Independence. These companies, right or wrong, are doing what America encourages and rewards...whatever you can get away with. Quite the values system!
  6:41pm JakeGould:

“These companies, right or wrong, are doing what America encourages and rewards...whatever you can get away with. Quite the values system!” Part of the problem we have nowadays is the system is massively broken. So talking about the American ideal is not a bad thing. Especially on a day such as today; aka: MLK Jr. day.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Handy Haversack:

"America" doesn't encourage capitalism. Capitalists exploit America and all other countries. Did *you* choose capitalism? Did I?
  6:44pm JakeGould:

@HandyHaversack: The discussion of the American ideal versus the American reality is a long and ugly one. The reality is the American ideal is still noble. Sometimes it just feels exhausting and hopeless.
  6:44pm JeffBeckTapeLoop1:

"Part of the problem we have nowadays is the system is massively broken." Is it really broken, or is it perfected? Other than a system like China, how will we possibly deal with global enviro destruction? Half our population believes they should have "freedom" to do whatever they please.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm ultradamno:

I had also mentioned earlier that Dracula had made much the same observations about rights as the woman quoted re: China, so good company.
  6:46pm JeffBeckTapeLoop1:

New Dracula series on Netflix is awesomee!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Handy Haversack:

I saw your comments and appreciated, @ultradamno!
  6:47pm JakeGould:

@JeffBeckTapeLoop1: Well, I don’t disagree. But there is still more of a chance for freedom in the U.S. than elsewhere. Hope stinks at times.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Webhamster Henry:

I want to hear the acceptance speeches!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm ultradamno:

Can't take that guy to a convent, on a boat, to a vacation to the UK. He's always causing trouble.
  6:48pm JeffBeckTapeLoop1:

Fair enough, where is there a chance to make change, here rather than there.
  6:49pm Curly Ray:

eBay must still be safe?
  6:51pm JeffBeckTapeLoop1:

Regulation = Government control = China
  6:52pm Curly Ray:

Craigslist too?
  6:56pm mike:

This would be listenable if you passed and thought for a second instead of saying y'know once or TWICE every sentence! Monsanto isn't even on there?????
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Cool Runnings:

Thank you mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Handy Haversack:

Thanks for this service, Mark. It is invaluable.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm JakeGould:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Boosting our Techtonic Social Credit scores.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:04pm Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone, thanks for the comments tonight. I did some pruning - as some of you noticed - due to uncivil comments cropping up. Disagreement is fine, but anything rude (name calling etc.) gets an immediate mute. Appreciate everyone tuning in tonight!
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