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Options July 29, 2019: Juliette Kayyem on terrorism; Neuralink's mind-reading device; and Libra

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This week: Juliette Kayyem on terrorism; Neuralink's mind-reading device; and Libra

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(thanks to listener Michael for the pointer!)

This week: Juliette Kayyem on terrorism; Neuralink's mind-reading device; and Libra.

Juliette Kayyem is the faculty chair of the Homeland Security Project at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, and formerly was Assistant Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

Find Juliette at JulietteKayyem.com and on Twitter, @juliettekayyem.


Dan Coats to Step Down as Intelligence Chief; Trump Picks Loyalist for Job (NYT, July 28): Coats "was vocal in defending intelligence agencies and their assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 election on Mr. Trump’s behalf, and he emphasized those findings leading up to the president’s meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Helsinki, Finland, in 2018."

Dan Coats to Step Down as Director of National Intelligence Next Month (WSJ, July 28): "Coats, who has tangled with the president over how to deal with the threat posed by Russia, is leaving his post. ... Mr. Coats has been especially critical of Moscow’s efforts to interfere in U.S. elections, which he warned in 2018 were ongoing. Russia has denied any election interference."

New items:

• Following up on last week's show, including Sen. Hawley's questioning of Google's Karan Bhatia about YouTube's profiting from pedophilia: YouTube videos featuring children rank in highest views, Pew study says (CNet, July 26): "Videos with children under 13 received three times as many views as other videos." Given that the majority of YouTube views are driven by Google's own Recommended Videos algorithm, we can guess what's behind the "three times as many" multiplier. See my thread on last week's show, linking directly to each clip.

• Chris Gilliard, Techtonic guest on the July 8 show, was included on NBC News (July 22): Concern over police use of Ring doorbells as crime fighting tool. See also Fast-growing web of doorbell cams raises privacy fears (AP News, July 19).

Recent hearings we didn't get to last week:

Last week's show featured audio from Congressional hearings on July 16. Here are the ones I didn't have enough time to play, which I hope to play this time:

• 3. Senate hearing on Facebook's Libra (July 16, 2019): Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, "Examining Facebook’s Proposed Digital Currency and Data Privacy Considerations" - Video here. (See also the Video of Matt Stoller at the Congressional briefing on Libra, also on July 16. See also Stoller's "Big" newsletter (July 17) on When Facebook's Bill Lumbergh Tries to Start a Currency.)

• 5. House hearing on Facebook's Libra (July 17, 2019): House Committee on Financial Services Hearing: Examining Facebook’s Proposed Cryptocurrency and Its Impact on Consumers, Investors, and the American Financial System - Video here. See also the transcript of the Ocasio-Cortez exchange with David Marcus... as well as this: Facebook's plan for cryptocurrency should set alarm bells ringing (The Guardian, July 21) ... and just posted today, Facebook Is a New Form of Power (New Republic, July 22): "Yes, it's more powerful than most companies. But it's not quite like a government, either." ... and Facebook Crypto Plan Draws Fresh Fury From House Democrats (Bloomberg, July 17).

Elon Musk's Neuralink launch:

Merging AI & Man - Elon Musk's Vision for The Future (Axios on HBO, Nov 25, 2018)

Neuralink launch event (Video of livestream from July 16, 2019)

Elon Musk's Neuralink says it's nearly ready for human volunteers (Technology Review, July 17, 2019) - good overview. See also from a few months back, New device translates brain activity into speech, but with limits (Axios, April 25, 2019).

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  Juliette Kayyem on terrorism & social media; Facebook's Libra; and Elon Musk and his Neuralink mind-control device.
Tomas Dvorak  Game Boy Tune   Options
  Mark's intro  
  Interview with Juliette Kayyam  
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  Sen. Kennedy vs. Facebook's David Marcus     0:32:38 (MP3 | Pop‑up)
  Elon Musk interview from Nov 2018     0:46:16 (MP3 | Pop‑up)
  Elon Musk at Neuralink launch, July 16, 2019     0:49:14 (MP3 | Pop‑up)
The Pink Tiles  Internet   Options   0:56:28 (MP3 | Pop‑up)

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:59pm annie:

i love that cat app cartoon
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techpresentatives!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm annie:

did we lose sound?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:01pm John from Florham park:

Hello fellow technoids
Avatar 6:02pm herb.nyc:

very nice "the market will regulate itself" pic on the homepage!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Webhamster Henry:

Hello friends!
Avatar 6:02pm Bas NL:

Mark! Libratonics!
  6:02pm Dave Miss:

Howdy from BK!
Avatar 6:02pm geezerette:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm chresti:

Hi Mark and techtons!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm chresti:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm annie:

so, i have no sound...am i the only one?
Avatar 6:03pm geezerette:

"What fresh hell is this?", Dorothy Parker
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Megaroni:

Tuning for Techtonic’s download! All hail Sir Mark, our leader
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm chris:

i have sound. hi, Maek and gin-n-techtonic sippers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Kat in Chicago:

@annie maybe? I can hear. Listening on the pop-up
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm ultradamno:

Hearing fine through the app.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm chris:

er, Mark. ehem.
  6:05pm melinda:

Hi folks
Avatar 6:06pm geezerette:

Hi, Melinda!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm annie:

thanks Kat, switched to the pop-up
Avatar 6:07pm geezerette:

A six year old boy was killed.
  6:08pm John from Florham park:

Listening from the phone app
Avatar 6:08pm geezerette:

The 19 year od shooter had an AK 47 type assault rifle.
Avatar 6:09pm geezerette:

...which he bought on July 9th.
  6:10pm Uhhhhhh:

He was Iranian and Italian

He also posted a quote from a book on communism
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm ultradamno:

It's a sad state of affairs when Dan Coats is the voice of reason.
Avatar 6:12pm geezerette:

Ultra, yes.
Avatar 6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The excellent program 'On the Media' has had essential presentations of the nature of the worldwide online White Nationalist Movement - how it is not @ all about isolated individuals.
Avatar 6:15pm geezerette:

Social media creates a mental white sheet that no one else can see.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm chresti:

Speaking of being radicalized, the 50th anniversary of the Manson murders is coming
Avatar 6:17pm geezerette:

In other words, no need to hide your physical identity.
Avatar 6:19pm geezerette:

Chresti, ugh. :[
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone, thanks for tuning in this evening! Sorry the news is a bit dark today (again).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm chris:

not to feed the trolls, but just to set the record a bit straighter: the book was a common book among white supremacists that talks about the widely debunked idea of social Darwinism. while it may talk about communist principals, it would not be accurate to characterize the book as a "book on communism"
Avatar 6:23pm northguineahills:

I always wanted to go the garlic festival (I love garlic).
  6:24pm melinda:

@ngh me too
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I hope this Saugarties garlic festival stays safe.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm annie:

ok, i gotta go clean he house before ileave tomorrow. this is a good time for me to stop listening, this whole Russia, Russia, Russia!!! thing irks me. see ya''around the sandbox.
Avatar 6:25pm geezerette:

NGH, me too! We've almost gone a couple of times on the way to S.F.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm annie:

i will throw a cloak of protection over it, Ken.
  6:25pm JakeGould:

Russia hacked the WFMU homepage.
  6:26pm John from Florham park:

I still want you o go to the garlic festival
Avatar 6:26pm northguineahills:

I have an older friend who has Parkinson's who is having brain surgery soon to have an implant to help him deal w/ it. We'll see if works (referencing the image at the bottom.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm chresti:

I'd like to go to the artichoke festival, in Castroville
  6:26pm John from Florham park:

I meant want to go there
Avatar 6:26pm geezerette:

Jake, haha! :D
  6:27pm John from Florham park:

@Jakegould I would not be surprised if the Russians did
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Ike:

@annie, what's so hard to understand about a white nationalist, racist, pseudo-Russian-Orthodox billionaire kleptocrat (Putin) funding nationalists and promoting intra-democratic diviseness all around the world in an attempt to tear down NATO and stop people from looking into all the money he's stashed in Panama that he's plundered from his own people? (An no this isn't just an attempt to distract from the failures of THEM DAMN NEO-LIBRULS nor does it make their failures any less significant.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm -Ken:

Looks like our various website and archive problems have been fixed.. thanks to Erik and Kenzo and Robert.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Sean d:

So scary every week! Love the tshirt
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Ike:

Avatar 6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Interesting that the word 'gun' is not on the 2nd Ammendment. 'Well-regulated' however is.
I seem to remember something about LIFE - Liberty - the Pursuit of Happiness Right of Assembly & Free Speech ... one might presume w/out being shot to death or Terrorized of same...
  6:30pm John from Florham park:

Yay tell them many thanks ken
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Ken,, Kenzo et al!
  6:31pm JakeGould:

The Russians don’t care about WFMU. Only Polacks do. Dzien Dobry!
  6:31pm seth from muddy creek:

This episode makes me think about Koch brothers building power plants for the Soviet Union and Fascist Germany as well as IBM I believe providing business machines to the Nazi Government. Profit is profit - it is not morals and not ethics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I'll bet the fix was to move the web server's clock ahead so it thinks it's Tuesday now.
Avatar 6:33pm geezerette:

The word is fascism.
  6:33pm JakeGould:

In Russia, the fix is to move society’s clock backwards!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm chris:

really interesting film on netflix called the great hack... about using social networks to hack democracy.. check it out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm tim from champaign:

I didn't catch the last 2 shows which but was the article about juggalo face paint beating facial recognition brought up?
  6:35pm JakeGould:

Social engineering is not new. Tokyo Rose, right? And propaganda is not new either. It’s just all on steroids now. And Facebook and Twitter could easily indemnify fake accounts on act on them but they choose not to.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Mark Hurst:

Hi Tim, yes I mentioned it sometime recently & I think the article is linked up on one of the recent shows' playlists.
  6:36pm JakeGould:

Not “indemnify” but IDENTIFY!
  6:37pm JakeGould:

But using “indemnify” in that context is pretty apt.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, Mark & all!
Avatar 6:38pm Bic Lighter:

I had a dream that Google and Facebook were in a race to build an atomic bomb. SpaceX had already supplied both of them with ICBMs.
Avatar 6:39pm Bic Lighter:

I actually went to school with Elon Musk. I think he'd have some qualms about this but would be moved by shareholders in the end.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm chresti:

That was a LIE wasn't it? Can we agree that you're A BIG FAT LIAR?
Avatar 6:40pm geezerette:

In the "Gilded Age" of the 19th century the word fascism hadn't been coined, but the situation was similar.
  6:41pm melinda:

That was fun.
  6:41pm John from Florham park:

I call bullshit on what Facebook is trying to do
  6:41pm John from Florham park:

@Melinda scared the hell out of me
Avatar 6:42pm Bic Lighter:

@geezer Fascism probably wouldn't have had much traction with serfs.
  6:45pm JakeGould:

Cut open my skull? I hope I at least get a tote bag for the effort!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Richard S:

Why do these "chips" remind me of this scene?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Webhamster Henry:

Facebook want to run a currency is kind of an end runaround insider trading; rather than manipulating stock prices with the control of information, it changes the currency valuation with information.
Avatar 6:46pm geezerette:

Why would anyone volunteer for Neuralink?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm chris:

wonder if robot surgeons have better bedside manner?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm melinda:

@geeze that's what I wonder too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm chresti:

Haha Jake
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm ultradamno:

OK, OK...just, at what point can they just make into Deathlok (Nebula for the ladies)?
Avatar 6:47pm geezerette:

Unless you've got epilepsy, etc.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Ike:

How can this be real? Whaaaaat? Are we sure Elon Musk isn't just an ultra-high-level tech-bro con artist fleecing naive venture capitalist dingbats?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm chresti:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm melinda:

hell no
  6:49pm JakeGould:

*cough* Eugenics *cough*
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm chris:

reminds me of Gibson's Neuromancer
Avatar 6:50pm geezerette:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm ultradamno:

If the market was regulating itself, I could get that KFC sandwich with poofy, flaming hot Cheetos.
Avatar 6:50pm geezerette:

Jake, exactly!
Avatar 6:51pm northguineahills:

@chresti: yum, artichokes!
  6:51pm Cosmic Matrix:

This plus his sattelites = Mind control.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Carmichael:

Wow, what a comments list I happened upon.
  6:51pm JakeGould:

Can that implant teach this genius how to smoke a blunt? Or retcon a happy relationship with Grimes?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm ultradamno:

We will cure humanity in our lifetime!
  6:51pm Cosmic Matrix:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm chresti:

I propose Elon be the first to get a neurolink
Avatar 6:52pm Ihearcolor:

Avatar 6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Instead of Don't Be Evil - how about - What Could Possibly ...
  6:53pm Listener Robert:

50+ years ago when I saw "The President's Analyst", I never thought it would be instructional.
Avatar 6:53pm geezerette:

Ultradamno, Ha! Eeeeeeeeeeek!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm melinda:

what a creep
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm coelacanth∅:

he's a douchebag AND an idiot. most people who think "ai" is safe and good are just idiots.
  6:54pm Skitch:

Ike nailed it. Just take a look at the Boring Company launch video. Fake as it gets. Invest now!!! Tony Stark will save us all.
  6:54pm JakeGould:

Increase “intelligence” based on whose criteria?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm listener 126464:

he didn't say 'mojoing with AI' did he?
Avatar 6:54pm northguineahills:

Isn't it Sweden where people are paying to have brain implants? (or was it a psychedelic dream).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm ultradamno:

On the HBO miniseries Years & Years (kind of poor man's ongoing Black Mirror episode) there is a character that wants to "transition" to pure digital and has mods that allows her to take pictures by blinking and send them by pointing, which is just a nightmare.
  6:54pm Zydeco Phil:

Dammit I think they finally hacked into Elon Musk’s Brain
Avatar 6:54pm geezerette:

I don't want to, "Go along for the ride". Who the fk is driving?!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Carmichael:

Avoid the middle man, go straight to the brain.
Avatar 6:55pm Bas NL:

How the brain operates is largely unknown..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Sean d:

I have a medical "hat" thing called Optune.. Its pretty crazy... No to fun, it electrocuted me a couple times
Avatar 6:55pm northguineahills:

what Bas said...
Avatar 6:55pm Ihearcolor:

Avatar 6:56pm geezerette:

Well, that would be the end of advertising!
  6:56pm JakeGould:

The U.S. somehow deregulated “Ma Bell” which at the time was mainly copper wire phone lines. But this stuff can’t one regulated. Pathetic.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm coelacanth∅:

ngh it's true. apparently the swedes are idiots after all. (despite the saab and the volvo)
Avatar 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Because I am smarter than you & absolutely know better
...like when Ram Dass says when Leary said sure there would be bad trips - he was engaging in a kind of Military Thinking...
Avatar 6:57pm geezerette:

Bas, NGH, yep!
  6:58pm Adam West Coaster:

Thank you, Mark!
  6:58pm Cosmic Matrix:

Thanks Mark
Avatar 6:58pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park:

They're developing an artificial limb with nerve impulses. They'll probably attach some of those to robots, like the ones a couple of shows back.
  6:59pm Dave Miss:

Thank you for a great show… Scary but good
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm chris:

thanks, Mark and commentators.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 7:00pm geezerette:

Thanks, Mark! :c[
Avatar 7:00pm northguineahills:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Consider how small & powerful Fone circuitry already is. Sure it will happen.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Appreciate the good comments today.
  Swag For Life Member 7:07pm ardalala:

Thank you so much for Techtonic! Somehow it mostly remains cheery

Thank you!
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