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Options January 30, 2019: Blood "Miss"associates

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This week:

Elder Kimzilla needs the essence of young Emily to stay young and keep the spring in her step. So, during tonight’s show Emily will become Kimzilla’s Blood Girl or “Miss-sociate” and transfer her young energetic plasma into Kimzilla’s veins. Listen before your very ears as Kimzilla feels the positive effects of the transfer and can recite Jane Eyre and do handstands with no hands!
*Disclaimer, everything you hear tonight is suspect.
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Ambrosia’s Website

Wikipedia page about Parabiosis

An article from Business Insider Magazine

An article from Advisory.com

An article from Science Based Medicine

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Richard S:

  7:02pm tak:

cool photo
  7:02pm Emily:

Hi lifers! Who’s feelin vivacious out there?
  7:03pm tw2sheds:

Reciting Jane Eyre is not necessarily a sign of youth!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:06pm zpulpa:

Hi Kimzilla and Emily!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:06pm queems:

i'm young but i might as well be ancient with how old my body acts
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:06pm zpulpa:

and friends from near and far!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:07pm melinda:

This sounds interesting.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:09pm Vanessa bikes:

Hi Kim, Emily and fellow lifers! one my most favorite shows is Silicon Valley! I am listening but I am going to try to think of another Silicon Valley inspired story, lol!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Neat! I haven't heard of this procedure before.
Avatar 7:14pm kimzilla:

Hi Ken, Vanessa, Melinda, Zulpa, Queems, and all. So great to have you with us tonight!
Avatar 7:14pm duckiekiller:

wow serious credentials
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:15pm Richard S:

This parabiosis thing sounds like it *could* have some benefits. Needs more study.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:15pm ChrisVB:

First time listener of this show I think but big time FMU supporter. Greetings!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:16pm Richard S:

Hi ChrisVB!
Avatar 7:17pm dale:

do you have to do these treatments constantly to maintain the benefits? i think i'm cool with my end of life happening when fortuna decides.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:17pm ChrisVB:

Hi RS!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:17pm ultradamno:

So is there a subset of furries that specialize in two person suits?

Sorry I'm still stuck on a previous playlist. Hi everybody!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:17pm queems:

yeah, i just want to age gracefully and then take a dirt nap
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:17pm Vanessa bikes:

Yeah I don't need to hear much more. As a biologist, I do believe there are factors in youthful blood that could be beneficial to some older people however the risks (as depicted in the Silicon Valley episode described) out way the potential benefits for most healthy older recipients. I would suggest they identify, isolate and purify the beneficial factors instead.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:18pm melinda:

I think the aging gracefully part is hard. I'm already aging clumsily.
Avatar 7:19pm duckiekiller:

science fiction horror movie forming in my mind as he speaks
Avatar 7:19pm dale:

melinda - we're aging honestly. and that's not bad.
Avatar 7:20pm kimzilla:

Hi ChriVB, welcome!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:20pm ChrisVB:

I aged myself prematurely in mosh pits in the 80s/90s. Ouchie
  7:21pm Emily:

@ultradamno hahahaha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:21pm ChrisVB:

hi kimzilla
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:21pm melinda:

@dale haha. Aging gracefully is such an odd term.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:22pm queems:

i guess by gracefully i just meant naturally
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:22pm queems:

but i'm 31 and my body is already totally trashed so what do i know
Avatar 7:23pm kimzilla:

@Vanessa Bikes- I can't wait to hear your thoughts on clinical trials, and the concern with the placebo effect.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:24pm Vanessa bikes:

there are always new diseases that get spread by blood banks, HIV is a history lesson. You get blood transfusion because you need it now because you hope it might make you feel more vitality.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:25pm melinda:

@queems I knew what you meant. I'm not doing well for 47 but I'm working on it. Usually when people say someone is aging gracefully it's a way of saying they're not their previously youthful self but they don't look like an old hag either.
Avatar 7:25pm dale:

31 queems? wow - make the next 31 (and more) worth it. i wasted a lot just working for a quote career unquote.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:26pm Richard S:

Jeez, you young punks. I'm 56 - who wants to give me some of their vital fluids? (grin)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:27pm Vanessa bikes:

I dispute the term patient, it sounds like customers for most.
Avatar 7:27pm kimzilla:

@Vanessa Bikes, I was wondering about that. How much the plasma is tested for things other than just being young plasma.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:27pm queems:

@dale yeah, that's what i'm trying to figure out. already falling into that hole but it's not too late to turn it around
Avatar 7:31pm kimzilla:

Emily's hair is starting to turn grey as we speak! That's how it works, right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:31pm ultradamno:

There's some metaphor here regarding baby boomers and millennials.
Avatar 7:33pm duckiekiller:

1 liter for $8000, 2 liters for $12,000. Buy one get one half off
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:33pm ChrisVB:

we're kind of talking about medical vampirism. neat.
  7:34pm Mom:

What a great Mother's Day gift!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:35pm melinda:

@ChrisVB I thought that too.
Avatar 7:35pm duckiekiller:

that's a little too rich for my blood....
Avatar 7:36pm kimzilla:

@Mom, I guess I'll have to return the eye lift you asked for.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:36pm Richard S:

@duckiekiller - ouch....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:36pm ChrisVB:

transactional capitalist vampirism. quaint.
Avatar 7:37pm duckiekiller:

laboratory fees may be extra
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:38pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I forget, does plasma need to be sorted by A/B/O types or not?
Avatar 7:38pm kimzilla:

The data doesn't look like anything, because there isn't any data for these claims... oops, I'll reserve my opinions.
Avatar 7:39pm kimzilla:

@Ken, yes.
  7:39pm L W Rhino:

Sounds like the good doctor has come up with a viable way to transfuse the savings of the elderly into his lab coat pocket. By the way, isn't Ambrosia a fruit salad with little marshmallows which is adored by older folks????
Avatar 7:40pm kimzilla:

I keep screaming at the mike responding to his answers, but you can't hear me.
  7:40pm Emily:

@LW Rhino yes!! Haha popular in the south. It was featured at my family’s Christmas dinner this year.
Avatar 7:40pm duckiekiller:

I think fear of abuse is a good reason to question it regardless of how effective it is.
Avatar 7:41pm dale:

ambrosia is also that band who sang 'nice nice very nice.'
Avatar 7:41pm duckiekiller:

@ rhino YES! with shaved coconut
Avatar 7:41pm kimzilla:

And it's the fruit of the gods! Get it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:42pm queems:

yeah i agree with whoever said that i wouldn't call these people "patients"
  7:43pm Emily:

@ChrisVB medical vampirism! Good term.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:43pm melinda:

I used to eat ambrosia at Luby's cafeteria.
  7:43pm Listener Robert:

Seems like an idea so obvious, why'd it take this long to be tried? Start with unfractionated plasma, see which conditions are affected, then start fractionating to find which fractions are effective for what. In the meantime you're getting a cash flow established and interest to help the work along.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:43pm ultradamno:

I look forward to the incessant ads for this that will inevitably support all 24 hour news channels
Avatar 7:44pm JakeGould:

Scammy nonsense. The benefits are temporary. But if this guy and others like him can fleece money from rich people? Fine with me!
  7:44pm Kiriyama:

I wonder how this would affect blood related autoimmune diseases such as IgA or vasculitis.
  7:45pm Listener Robert:

JG, how do you know the benefits are temporary, when you don't even know what benefits there are?
Avatar 7:46pm duckiekiller:

@ ultra "Try Ambrosia, the fruit of the gods! (the newest American hustle)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:47pm Richard S:

It's definitely interesting and promising. I'd say we keep an open mind about it (but not so open that our brains fall out).
  7:47pm Listener Robert:

A priori Kiriyama, I wouldn't expect much effect in immune modulation, because you can only get so much in the way of cytokines from one person to another via a plasma donation.
Avatar 7:48pm duckiekiller:

@ Richard hahaha
  7:49pm wakka wakka:

Emily is still thinking! Hahaha
Avatar 7:49pm duckiekiller:

I wonder what their costs are?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:49pm Travisano66:

I think this is bullshit set up to prey upon ignorant people with a lot of money. Shame.
  7:50pm wakka wakka:

Is Emily really giving Kimzilla a transfusion?!
  7:51pm Andrea in Jersey City:

Can someone please bring me up to date on what we are talking about? Is it called Ambrosia?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:52pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Remember to recite the disclaimer: "Don't try this at home!"
  7:52pm Listener Robert:

Yeah, well, the people at Hastings are professional red flag raisers.

The problem described therein is one had by every clinician-investigator. Someone submitting a study to an IRB that I serve on had the same question. It's routine.
  7:52pm P-90:

Important to note here that there are none of the scanty claimed benefits or profuse speculative benefits from this that haven’t been proven to be attainable by existing, better-understood methods. Just sayin’, from a medical perspective...
Avatar 7:52pm duckiekiller:

@ Andrea www.ambrosiaplasma.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:54pm I am the Upsetter:

I will just stick to donating blood to those who need it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:54pm Travisano66:

Some people would rather spend thousands of dollars and sit on their asses than to exercise regularly and change their diet.
  7:54pm Andrea in Jersey City:

Thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:54pm Vanessa bikes:

Kim, I work with blood product that are tested the same and we use "universal precautions", meaning we assume any blood product is contaminated no matter the prior testing. tests have false negatives all the time.
Avatar 7:56pm JakeGould:

Everything that Emily is saying is on point.

But also think about this: If most of the people being targeted by this are old, the scam is just in that. The reality is a person in their 60s feeling “happy” about this just speaks to a placebo effect and the fact that if/when these people die, who is the ultimately beneficiary?
  7:56pm Jeremy B:

I agree with a lot of what Emily is saying... and I think what rubs the public the wrong way is that they have established a business model before they've published studies that proves it's safe and effective
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:57pm Richard S:

@I am the Upsetter: I donate platelets about once a month.
  7:57pm Kiriyama:

Listener Robert, I actually wrote a cogent response but Android ate it. it needs a Lithium Ion transfer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:57pm Vanessa bikes:

okay all the time is an exaggeration. but false negatives happen, why risk it?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:58pm queems:

i'm not allowed to donate blood because i take anticoagulants but i wonder if that also affects plasma
  7:58pm Listener Robert:

You better be compensated for donating plasma, because plasmapheresis takes time!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:58pm melinda:

@Jeremy yeah that seems to be the problem.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:58pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I achieved the 5-gallon donation level and was informed that I had some hepatitis detected (about 20 years ago). So no more donating from me. Must have been a false positive since I don't have hepatitis symptoms.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:59pm Richard S:

See you next time!
Avatar 7:59pm duckiekiller:

@ kimzilla now that's good marketing!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:59pm melinda:

Fecal transplants would be a great show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:59pm ChrisVB:

  7:59pm P-90:

Bottom line: they are pushing to market their “product” first, and speculating that wonderful benefits will be found as they grow their customer base over time and research the effects. That is just backwards, period.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:59pm ultradamno:

Feces is the future!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:48pm Vanessa bikes:

this went up today:
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