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Options February 6, 2019: A Taste of History

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The Brown Goose, the White Case Knife, Ora’s Speckled Bean, Radiator Charlie’s Mortgage Lifter — these are just a few of the heirloom fruits and vegetables you’ll learn about from farmer Bill Best. Best has worked tirelessly to preserve genetic diversity and the flavors rooted in the Southern Appalachian Mountains for over 50 years. He has collected over 1400 varieties of bean seeds, bringing back some from the brink of extinction. Bill shares with us his passion for collecting and preserving heirloom seeds along with sharing some family stories that are a fundamental part of keeping history alive and tasting delicious.

Sustainable Mountain Agriculture

Saving Seeds, Preserving Taste: Heirloom Seed Savers in Appalachia

Kentucky Heirloom Seeds: Growing, Eating, Saving

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Richard S:

I hope everyone brought their appetites!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm Asheville Jon:

damn, i thought this was gonna be dull. but I've got a bunch of heirloom greasy bean seeds, grew a great batch this past summer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm queems:

my mom would LOVE this topic
  7:03pm Listener Robert:

"Varieties of bean seeds"? Beans ARE seeds!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:03pm ultradamno:

I've heard that the places known for the longevity of it's residents have in common the consumption of a cup or so of beans a day.

But is it worth it?
Avatar 7:03pm dale:

is seed sharing illegal in some states? i know you can't legally buy corn seeds that monsanto hasn't developed.
  7:04pm L W Rhino:

I grew a nice crop of Polish people this past growing season by planting some heirloom Pole beans.
  7:04pm Aaron in Minneapolis:

Beans beans the musical fruit.....
  7:06pm Kiriyama:

The WFMU app for Android works well also.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:06pm Asheville Jon:

pick up a ho? i don't have any cash on me right now
  7:07pm Aaron in Minneapolis:

Where’s the hos at?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:07pm Richard S:

It's not just beans. There are many heirloom apples and tomatoes out there..... The apples are amazing, I must say.
  7:07pm OSC:

Ain't no party like a Farming party.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:08pm ultradamno:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:09pm Asheville Jon:

hey, if you want squirrells, please come to my back yard and kill a few dozen of them
  7:12pm Emily:

Hey everybody!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:12pm melinda:

Hi friends
Avatar 7:13pm kimzilla:

@Dale, Isn't that just horrific. Monsanto have sued farmers for their possession of their GMO pollen, which they didn't want in the first place.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:13pm queems:

this is fascinating already
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:14pm ultradamno:

Agricultural copyright entrapment
Avatar 7:14pm dale:

kimzilla - i had to look that up. patent infringement. nuts.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:15pm melinda:

@dale there is a tortilla company in my town that uses a heritage variety of corn, grown somewhere in Maine I think. I don't know their source but now I'm curious. Monsanto is evil.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:16pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The Great Smokies remained glacier-free during the ice age, so the area has a leg up over the rest of the area.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:17pm melinda:

I used to get heirloom seeds from Seed Savers in Iowa.
Avatar 7:17pm kimzilla:

@ Dale- And they collect/ purchase copyrights of heirloom beans and then destroy them.
  7:17pm Listener Robert:

But the farmers in question were deliberately selecting for the Monsanto-variety-pollinated ones. Otherwise there'd've been no basis for the lawsuit.
  7:18pm Emily:

@Melinda oooh I love heirloom corn tortillas. It makes SUCH a difference with corn...
Avatar 7:18pm kimzilla:

@Listener Robert, that definitely sounds like what Big Agro have sold to the public.
Avatar 7:19pm dale:

geesh! insane to destroy genetic history.
  7:19pm Listener Robert:

It's like pirating an OTA pay-TV signal and redistributing it for payment. Sure, the signal was in your space, but you deliberately decrypted and commercialized it.
  7:19pm Emily:

@Ken from HP that’s so interesting! I didn’t know that.
  7:20pm Listener Robert:

Yes, kimzilla, and in this case what Big Agro sold was correct.
Avatar 7:21pm dale:

so it's illegal to collect the pollen from a plant grown from a seed you purchased? pollen is in the wind!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:21pm Richard S:

I'm just opposed to Monsanto patenting seeds/crops and forcing farmers into a sort of indentured servitude on the general principle of the matter.
Avatar 7:23pm kimzilla:

@Dale, yes, that is correct. Look more into this, beyond our message board. It's insane.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:23pm Tommy in Neversink:

My grandparents in NC had pinto beans everyday in the winter
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:23pm coelacanth∅:

dale that's part of the scam. the farmers can't legally propogate their own plants, but the assholes (ie monsanto) can sue farmers for growing their shitty plants without having bought them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:23pm queems:

my mom works for rutgers cooperative extension in hunterdon county and i remember her telling me about the rutgers tomato work
Avatar 7:23pm dale:

tomatoes are bred to be picked green and ripen in shipment.
Avatar 7:24pm dale:

oh - there you go.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:24pm Tommy in Neversink:

I've heard northern NJ has the most fertile soil in the US
Avatar 7:25pm kimzilla:

Queems, I was so happy that they brought that tomato back, I remember it being so delicious when I was a kid, and for a long time I couldn't find that same flavor in a tomato. It's so nice to taste it again.
Avatar 7:27pm dale:

black dirt region in pine island is fertile as hell. deposits left from receding glacial moraine.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:27pm queems:

@kimzilla i'm not sure if it was one of the varieties she has grown in her garden- she grows several varieties every year
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:27pm coelacanth∅:

we have seed swaps up here, 90 miles north of fmu headquarters
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:28pm Richard S:

There's a reason NJ is the Garden State....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:28pm coelacanth∅:

i grew an heirloom corn called "country gentleman" that was incredible
  7:29pm Listener Robert:

Pollen is in the air just as radio signals are. But if you deliberately try to breed out the plants from the edge of your field because you know they'll collect pollen from the patented plants adjacent, it's a type of unjust conversion of property. Same as if theeir cattle wandered onto your field and you kept them, or if you decrypted the radio signal and retransmitted it for profit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:30pm melinda:

I like Brandywine tomatoes. My favorite tomato name is Cosmonaut Volkov, but I didn't think they were as good as Brandywines.
  7:30pm Johnzon:

I pickled some green tomatoes this year!
Avatar 7:30pm dale:

you can buy pickled okra in jars in the supermarket.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:30pm Ken From Hyde Park:

China is ahead of us all. They're sprouting plants on the moon!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:31pm Richard S:

England's 'Redstreak' apple made a hard cider that was compared favorably to the finest wines of France.

The variety has been lost.....doesn't exist anymore.....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:32pm coelacanth∅:

yeah corn (and squash and other things) VERY readily cross-pollenate via wind-borne pollen. monsanto (et al) should be in jail, if they must exist at all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:32pm melinda:

@Richard that's sad.
Avatar 7:33pm kimzilla:

@Ken from Hyde Park- China also has to hand pollinate their plants due to the honey bee decline.
Avatar 7:33pm dale:

when i bought my house i got no tv reception. on saturday nights in the winter i watched the fire in the woodstove, listened to the hackettstown radio station and looked at the burpee catalog
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:35pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Yeah, I read about hand-pollinating apple trees in China. It's nuts.
  7:36pm dez:

bean weevils?!?!?!
  7:37pm Emily:

Bean weevils.
Avatar 7:37pm kimzilla:

I learned that a bean weevil is not a bug, but the little sprout that comes out of the bean when it starts to grow.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:37pm Richard S:

@melinda That was something like 200 years ago. There are many new varieties of apple available now, so I'd say we're even. I just happened to recall it because I did some research into the history of hard cider some years back.
Avatar 7:38pm kimzilla:

I want to do some research with hard cider right now.
  7:39pm Listener Robert:

Dale, did you listen to Melanie Thiel on the hackettstown station?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:40pm Richard S:

Fun fact: The word "cider" and "schnockered" both come from an Old Hebrew word - "schechar" (spelling uncertain), which means "strong drink"
Avatar 7:42pm dale:

bean weevil was one of frank zappas kids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:42pm Richard S:

Going back into culinary history is more than collecting ingredients. I can put you in touch with people who take recipes from the Middle Ages and convert them into yummy dishes.....
Avatar 7:43pm kimzilla:

@Richard S. That's nuts. @Dale- HAHA!
Avatar 7:43pm dale:

robert - mostly jumping with jb, and their was a woman called the vinyl vixen who played prog. i liked her show. oh - and sundays with sinatra.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:44pm Asheville Jon:

hey, my greasy beans turn pink at the tips when they're ready! woo hoo
Avatar 7:45pm dale:

bummed me out that wxpn bought wnti - less variety now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:47pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I forget, do you soak the beans overnight or not?
  7:50pm Listener Robert:

Did you know that 2 years ago -- but only for the first quarter of 2017 -- Melanie Thiel brought over her cohort from WNTI to Newt Radio, a stream? I'm trying to reach her to see if she'd be interested in getting herself or any of them onto WFMU's Sheena stream or TheHoundNYC's stream.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:51pm coelacanth∅:

Ken it cuts down the cooking time.
it doesn't make much difference with small beans like lentils
Avatar 7:51pm dale:

ken - i always though you had to but someone here said you don't have to. BUT - if you presoak and rinse you get rid of some of the startches that are hard to digest that cause flatulence. if you wanna toot, don't presoak.

just got an instant pot and you don't have to in there. 40 minutes of high pressure and it's done.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:51pm listener 126464:

had bowl of diner lentil soup today
  7:52pm Listener Robert:

"Hard" water is called that because it makes beans soaked and cooked in it crusty.
Avatar 7:52pm dale:

joe belock lived out in jersey and i think he worked at nti and he said j.b. was a big mentor.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:53pm Asheville Jon:

thanks for the interesting show E & KZ
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:53pm listener 126464:

yeah thanks DJs!
  7:54pm Listener Robert:

Thanks, Dale, I'll see if Mr. Belock has stayed in touch with any of them. Ms. Thiel said irwin Chusid was her mentor or inspiration.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:54pm Asheville Jon:

Emily, if you get to ashevile this summer, let me know. i'll hook you up with some greasy beans
Avatar 7:54pm dale:

i don't do a garden anymore. tons of money on fencing, plants/seeds, watering and mulching and then i just feed the woodchucks that burrow under the fence.
  7:54pm Old Dave:

Was Wendell Berry mentioned? I just got off work, sorry.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:55pm melinda:

Fedco Seeds is a decent source.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:55pm coelacanth∅:

dale also if you cook your beans with some sea vegetables, like kelp, the glutamic acid breaks down the protein a little and it's less likely to instigate that reaction.
Avatar 7:55pm dale:

grow pot. it'll be legal soon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:55pm Richard S:

Cool show, everyone! Enjoy all the varieties of food available! It's better for you, and for the world.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:56pm coelacanth∅:

you need a long, hot, fairly dry season for good melons.
Avatar 7:56pm dale:

zucchini's are easy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:56pm melinda:

Seed Savers Exchange in Iowa is good too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:57pm Roger:

Grow Gazpacho ingredients! (if you like gazpacho)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:57pm ultradamno:

Zucchini is the food I most wish people would stop putting in everything.
  7:58pm Old Dave:

tomatillos & ground cherries are idiot proof
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:58pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Bananas are no picnic, either. The Cavandish variety is grown everywhere and there's a fungus that is attacking it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:59pm coelacanth∅:

yeah zucchini is the easiest thing to grow, but i don't bother!
  7:59pm îke:

Acorns look too hard to eat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 8:00pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Kimzilla and Emily! Great show, glad i stumbled in!
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