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Favoriting January 28, 2019: Douglas Rushkoff, author, "Team Human"

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This week: Douglas Rushkoff, author, Team Human

Links to Douglas:


Team Human (book order page)

• On Twitter: @teamhumanshow and @Rushkoff

• Douglas's site: rushkoff.com

Archives of Media Squat, Douglas's WFMU show (2008-9)

Recent Tech News

The Facts About Facebook, op-ed by Mark Zuckerberg (WSJ, Jan 24): "We’re all distrustful of systems we don’t understand."

TechCrunch's response to Zuckerberg (Jan 26): "The seeds of Facebook’s global business were thus sown in a crude and consentless game of clickbait whose idea titillated [Zuckerberg] so much [that he] thought nothing of breaching security, privacy, copyright and decency norms just to grab a few eyeballs."

The Greatest Con Man in History (Bob Hoffman, Jan 27): "For years I have been saying that Facebook's numbers are a joke and that anyone who believes them is an idiot. But I've never thought the scale of their deceit was this deep. As I reported several weeks ago, in a recent 12-month period Facebook removed 2.8 billion fake accounts. If Greenspan is right, there are plenty remaining and Facebook is guilty of an enormous fraud. People should be going to jail."

• On the World Economic Forum, Kevin Roose writes: I went to Davos this year and came away with two main observations:
1) CEOs are *obsessed* with AI and machine learning
2) the private conversations they're having about automation and jobs are very, very different than the public ones Read the whole column. (NYT, Jan 25). "For an unvarnished view of how some American leaders talk about automation in private, you have to listen to their counterparts in Asia, who often make no attempt to hide their aims."

• And from Scott Galloway's newsletter (Jan 25): "Corporations need to be more transparent; consumers expect them to play a more positive role in society. The above is a decent summary of every talk at Davos... In the words of Anand Giridharadas, Davos is a fire safety convention that invites arsonists. Yes, in pursuit of "improving the state of the world," the World Economic Forum invites people who have made the most money while doing the most damage (Sheryl Sandberg's talk was titled "What Kind of Internet Do We Want?"). I don't know, Sheryl, maybe one that doesn't inspire genocide, polarization, or teen depression? A gathering replete with 25 people worth more than the Southern Hemisphere to discuss income inequality feels a bit obtuse. "

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  Douglas Rushkoff, author of "Team Human," a manifesto arguing for genuine human connection in a society full of isolating, addictive technology.
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  Mark's intro    
  Interview with Douglas Rushkoff    
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:59pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:00pm JakeGould:

Hey Mark!

Hey everyone: Been playing with fasting for some time. I do a 22 hour fast daily (dinner only), and recently did a 3 day water fast. Biggest thing I notice is how much time slows down. The day feels so much longer when not broken up by breakfast/lunch/dinner. Any one else have this experience?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Homo-Erectonics!
  6:01pm sim:

hello, world!
Avatar 6:01pm Beast of Boonton:

Technoids unite!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Webhamster Henry:

Greetings Mark & Doug! And Ducktonics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm queems:

hey folks
  6:01pm John from Florham Park:

I am a technoid
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park:

"Alexa, turn on Techtonic!"
Avatar 🤖 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark and Techtonicibile!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm annie:

looking forward to the show today; huge fan of DR
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, Mark & all!
  6:02pm carrots:

Avatar 6:02pm TDK60:

Hi Mark. // Question: Will folks in 2093 think of the upcoming Amazon Headquarters #2 as quaint?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm dale:

vodka and techtonic in my glass.
  6:03pm John from Florham Park:

Hey queems
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm chris:

hello, Mark and Douglas and all technotella peeps.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm queems:

hey @john!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm northguineahills:

holy cow, up, up, and away!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm coelacanth∅:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm queems:

oh i just noticed a couple days ago that google maps can now tell when you're speeding and it posts the speed limit if you are going too fast
Avatar 🤖 6:06pm Bas NL:

(Put in a pinch of Italian: Techtoni-chI-bilé)
Avatar 6:06pm Fredericks:

  6:06pm shanghi1:

Not just anyone can walk in and write an article.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm herb.nyc:

Homo-Erectonics? Ooh, it moved! / mark zuckerberg is my favorite columnist in WSJ!
  6:07pm John from Florham Park:

@queems this is why I only use apple maps, they don’t do crap like that
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm chris:

zuck, you're a condescending cock-up of a human
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

@queems Google should also show you where the state troopers are #convoy #picturetakingsmokies
  6:07pm JakeGould:

Facebook should rewind their business model to just be horoscopes and recipes.
  6:07pm John from Florham Park:

@chris tell me how you really feel(G)
  6:08pm JakeGould:

Maybe some “Howard Huge” and “Lockhorns” cartoons.
  6:08pm John from Florham Park:

Webhamster that would be nice
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm northguineahills:

I've never used GPS for navigating for any purpose (I have found a store's [etc] location to find the address, but that's about it).
  6:09pm JakeGould:

That is what Facebook should be. All profits should come from sale of Habband pants and slacks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm coelacanth∅:

chris you may be being a bit kind i your assessment
  6:10pm JakeGould:

Davros is one bad fella. Might be related to Wilbur Ross. www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm listener james from westwood:

Anytime Zuck or @jack or some other tech baron goes on these rants, I imagine harmonica-accented schmaltz music in the background, like behind an actor dressed up like a 1890s baker putting a layer of marketing horseshit on the megacorp-made cookies his picture appears on.
  6:11pm liXiviated life:

I am as equally interested in a guy as any CEO. The difference is, I want to keep my job, and the CEO wants to replace me with a machine
  6:12pm liXiviated life:

AI not a guy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm coelacanth∅:

haha nice, james!
  6:12pm liXiviated life:

Just another example of some robot trying to mess with me
Avatar 🤖 6:13pm Bas NL:

We're all CEO's.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Douglas' Media Squat archives (2008-9): www.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Webhamster Henry:

"Do I know, do you know - what's thing thing called a man? I do not know what a man is -- all that I know is his price"
- B. Brecht "Song of Supply and Demand"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Ken from HP, just added that link to the playlist!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Vanessa bikes:

Hi Mark, we were just talking about the Tech Pie this morning, as a biologist and customer of 23andme who found some inaccurate results I can say that reading the sequence is science but interpreting the sequence is still and probably always be an estimate. I don't have an issue with that, it's still interesting! I am just curious if the error was in reading the sequence or the interpretation? And as a customer, I think 23andme does their job in trying to explain this complex process and caveats to their product to a lay person.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm dale:

rushkoff was on here TEN YEARS AGO? shit...time is flying by.
  6:20pm Sam:

It’s true. None of this needs to be said. Only a human could be arrogant enough to think that something he created is so amazing that he now has to justify his own existence in relation to it.
  6:21pm melinda:

This is inspiring and timely for me. I have been despairing over political polarization and lack of empathy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Mark Hurst:

Hi Vanessa, thanks for tuning in. What struck me the most about that story was that *twins*, with identical DNA, got different results. Analysis/interpretation is of course necessary, but if twins don't get the same result, that raises questions about the integrity of the process.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Melinda & Sam! And Dale - same thought here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Webhamster Henry:

The results are sometimes more honest than others - since Ashkenazi Jews got shuttled all over the place, they don't attempt to say what country (whatever that is) that are "from". The whole idea of original home is kind of specious. Maybe people shouldn't be classed, since the real differences are so small.
Avatar 🤖 6:27pm Bas NL:

Humans are futile. We are Big Tech. You will be assimilated.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm northguineahills:

uhhh, I almost never buy anything (except food at brick and mortar markets).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm ultradamno:

Mechanomorphist would have made a dandy cyberpunk novel title in the nineties and would have been a lot more fun then than watching it come true now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Webhamster Henry:

That's right - this break-timeout feature is coming to iOS.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Webhamster Henry:

It's like the "your car is moving - I'm not going to play your text" feature.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm ultradamno:

Yeah, humane does imply the option of choosing it's opposite.
Avatar 6:33pm TDK60:

I figure alienation really evolved long before computers -- when class systems separated people from older tribal communal life where the "irreducible minimum" had kept everyone alive, in a circle of humans. (It sounds simplistic to say, for such a long period of time.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm dale:

monsanto creates seeds hybridized to withstand round-up - which THEY MAKE!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Webhamster Henry:

Incentivize sustainability, not growth.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm coelacanth∅:

i think Douglas is me; only with infinitely more technical understanding.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm dale:

i like (or don't like) that he conveyed that we are still stuck in a tax system based on feudalism.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

The Internet is NOT the World Wide Web.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

Gopher is still ad-free!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Webhamster Henry:

The dot com bubble was lots of fun!
Avatar 6:44pm Jeff Moore:

Remember that in the early days of the Internet – before that World Wide Web thing slouched out of CERN – it was considered very very poor form, unforgivable really, to sully email traffic with any kind of commercial advertising.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm listener james from westwood:

Steve Jackson Games got dinged in that operation!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Webhamster Henry:

However, trolling was invented on USENET.
Avatar 6:45pm TDK60:

..going cooperative would be a better way to be more homo sapien.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm listener james from westwood:

It also led directly to the establishment of the EFF!
Avatar 🤖 6:46pm Bas NL:

Nobody HAS to visit commercial web pages.
Avatar 6:47pm medow:

the mistake our generation made was to ever believe we were different than any other generation. I grew up believing in counter culture iseals and so did all my friends. None of them believe in it anymore and I think its because they got comfortable. As soon as people get wealthy they realize how much they have to lose and give up on the ideals if their youth. The tech gen is no different and big business new that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Webhamster Henry:

Web-based commerce didn't happen until "secure" forms were possible - which weren't there originally.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm melinda:

@medow so true.
Avatar 6:47pm TDK60:

..sounds like an interesting book, Douglas; maybe at the public library?...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm melinda:

Great interview. I started listening to his Sam Harris interview recently but had to cut it short, nice to hear him here. Will have to listen to the rest for any bits not covered here and check out his book & podcast.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm dale:

going to change a toilet and patch a rotten floor tomorrow - when the web can do that i welcome it.
Avatar 🤖 6:54pm Bas NL:

We had a fire drill in our new university building today. All doors were electronically locked and nobody could get in or out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Doobois:

Dale FTW.
Avatar 6:54pm TDK60:

Bas: brilliant, eh?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Folsom:

@coelacanth∅ are you going to let Mark butcher your name like that?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Webhamster Henry:

@dale I love plumbing putty!
Avatar 🤖 6:55pm Bas NL:

Better sorry then safe eh? :(
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Folsom:

@Webhamster I'm more of a Teletext person.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park:

@Bas - Had that been an actual fire, you would've been cooked ... literally.
Avatar 🤖 6:57pm Bas NL:

I'm a newbie safety officer as well...
  6:57pm Sam:

Dig it!! Love this guy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm coelacanth∅:

Folsom,YES! i have bigger fish to fry.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

@Folsom heh. Early stuff I wrote was going to interface to Telex.
  6:58pm Sam:

A suitably humanist ending. Great show Mark.
Avatar 🤖 6:58pm Bas NL:

(We forced the door open.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Folsom:

@Webhamster I had a Zenith TV that could pick up Teletext in Chicago in the early 90s.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Webhamster Henry:

and I did write a fax-to-web interface. People before ubiquitous scanners and cameras could fax things into web documents!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark & Douglas!
take care, humans
Avatar 🤖 6:59pm Bas NL:

Great show again Mark! And thanks Douglas!
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