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Options October 22, 2018: Yasha Levine, author, "Surveillance Valley"

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This week: Yasha Levine, author, "Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet"

Pointers to Yasha's work:

@yashalevine on Twitter

All EFF'd Up (Baffler, summer 2018)

Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet

Recent Tech News

Apple demands retraction from Bloomberg (Mercury News, Oct 19) - following the Chinese-chip story we discussed last week and the week before.

Natasha Tusikov: "Google’s Nest Labs reveals it’s handed over smarthome data 300 times since 2015, with govt’s seeking data on over 500 Nest users. Smart devices a boon for law enforcement surveillance."

A court upholds but curbs India’s giant biometric ID system (The Economist, Sept 27): Aadhaar is "a vast biometric identification scheme containing the personal details, fingerprints and iris patterns" of 1.2 billion Indian citizens. India's Supreme Court ruled that "Aadhaar was constitutional and could remain obligatory for those wishing to receive public benefits or file taxes. Given that a majority of Indians do one or the other, that in effect makes participation mandatory. "

Thousands Of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin (NPR, October 22): "Proponents say they're safe and largely protected from hacking, but one scientist is raising privacy concerns around the kind of personal health data that might be stored on the devices. Around the size of a grain of rice, the chips are typically inserted into the skin just above each user's thumb... One coworking space and innovation hub in Stockholm is holding a large implant party this month where a tech startup, DSruptive, is promising to reveal "the next generation consumer-level implant." The device will include 2 KB of memory, double that of earlier implants, a range of new functions and an LED light designed to improve privacy by blinking if someone tries to read or access an implant."

Who's getting chipped next? You? (Biometric ID now being rolled out in India; China requires smartphone use; here in the US, look for billionaires and prisoners to get it first, then for billionaires to abandon while chips - if Big Tech gets its way - become compulsory for the bottom 99.9%.)

Who Will Teach Silicon Valley to Be Ethical? (NYT, Oct 21): Kara Swisher quotes Anne Wojcicki, CEO of 23andme: “I think it has to be our management and leaders who have to add this to our skill set, rather than just hire one person to determine this.”

Review of three recent books on tech + rising inequality (Wired, Oct 22): "The narrative of disruption duped us into thinking this was a new kind of capitalism. The authors argue that tech companies conquered the world not with software, but via the usual route to power: ducking regulation, squeezing workers, strangling competitors, consolidating power, raising rents, and riding the wave of an economic shift already well underway."

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  On surveillance: Mark interviews Yasha Levine, author of "Surveillance Valley" and a Baffler piece on the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation).
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:01pm βrian:

I can't believe I'm finally catching this show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:02pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techsidermists!
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:02pm melinda:

Hi Techtons!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:03pm geezerette:

tech-toons !
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:03pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark & Techtonici!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:04pm Michael 98145:

-- who would chip themselves like a dog ??
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:04pm queems:

hey guys
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:04pm Rich in Washington:

Bloop!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:04pm geezerette:

OK, already scared...
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:04pm melinda:

I like it too
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:05pm Roland from Australia:

Online after a brief absence looking forward to the show
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:05pm herb.nyc:

yes, that is nice - techsidermists. and the DERM may apply to the MICROCHIPS UNDER THEIR SKIN item.
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:05pm geezerette:

Sir Valiance
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:06pm ultradamno:

@herb Happy coincidence that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:06pm northguineahills:

I don't think I've seen a Baffler in 15 years, I used to get every issue I could find!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:07pm geezerette:

Ben & Jerry's "Chinese-Chip". Yum.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:08pm seedfriend:

Who brought the chips?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, anonymously sourced Techtonicals!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:08pm geezerette:

Tim Cookies
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:09pm Michael 98145:

@Gz'ette :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:09pm coelacanth∅:

they are not valuable they're just wealthy
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:09pm chresti:

so they should fix it- apple and Ammazon
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:11pm Michael 98145:

guess i'd forgotten that Nest was googled. i'm still angry about organizations forcing their email support to the data miners.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:12pm βrian:

Anyone know how to bypass a LiftMaster door opener, so I can use wireless features independently?
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:13pm geezerette:

I call it CRAZY.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park:

By walking on a publicly-funded sidewalk, you waive your right to claim avoidance of benefits. :-(
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:15pm ultradamno:

It's kind like how Saudi Arabia effectively banned women from driving by making it illegal for a woman to get a license not to drive a car per se.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:15pm seedfriend:

We next
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:15pm chresti:

ewww
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:15pm βrian:

Two-factor authentation often requires a cell phone, too. It's not about security, really.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:16pm chresti:

hahaha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:16pm queems:

that reminds me i need to register my cat's microchip
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:16pm chresti:

(gulp!)
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:17pm geezerette:

We should just surrender our brains.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:18pm melinda:

Aaagh no implant chips please
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:18pm chresti:

the y want to be in a star treck world
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:18pm chresti:

*trek
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:18pm coelacanth∅:

a party? i'll bring my special kool-aid
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:18pm Phil with the phone:

sign me up for implants. Today flash drive implants tomorrow full cyborg
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:19pm geezerette:

"Consumer Level Implant"!!!!!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:19pm Greg from ZONE 5:

NO!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:19pm Michael 98145:

- we don't need no steenking badges -
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:19pm queems:

i'm ok with it if there is also guacamole
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:19pm Michael 98145:

sex toy implants ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:20pm chresti:

they'll be able to fly around
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:20pm geezerette:

Zombies first.
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:20pm Pen:

i'll take two chips please
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:20pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

I used to work for Google doing surveillance. Not lying. Past my NDA now, so I'll say this: they are evil. Avoid their products.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:21pm chresti:

Barbarella
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:21pm geezerette:

chresti, Like Yoko Ono said.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:21pm ultradamno:

They could introduce the chips in the form of eyeball jewelry for the body mod kids: abcnews.go.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:22pm chresti:

!!!!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:22pm geezerette:

Is this the Halloween show?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:23pm chresti:

yoko!!
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:23pm melinda:

When I read the topic of today's show on the special programs page my heart sank, since I started supporting in 2016 as an effort to join the "resistance ".
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:23pm chresti:

scarier!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:25pm geezerette:

O No! Don't pop ANOTHER bubble!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:25pm chresti:

sounds illegal
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:29pm chresti:

but google said they don't want to be evil!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:30pm northguineahills:

I'd prefer the EFF to be EMF, then it wouldn't be so unbelievable, *ohhhhhhhhhh*!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:30pm βrian:

Google changed it's mind.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:32pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

Google is a major US military and intelligence contractor.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:33pm herb.nyc:

oh crazy, I always thought the EFF were good people.
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:33pm geezerette:

But the corporations ARE the government.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:33pm Michael 98145:

money changes everything
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:39pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I heard about the EFF here :
psychedelicsalon.com...
...Very disappointing
...Things have changed, I think, since the 1990s when CyberSpace seemed a new & free Territory - which forward-thinkers wanted to be Unregulated
...but now - these Tech Giants are obviously classic Capitalist Monopolies.
...The Bill of Rights didn't transfer to Digital as soon as our own Data was not our own Property...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:39pm Mark Hurst:

Yasha points out that the EFF has done good work in trying to curb gov't surveillance, but has stayed mostly silent about the surveillance carried out by their funders (Google, Facebook)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The Web was supposed to Decentralize Power...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:40pm chresti:

everyone's on the take
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:41pm geezerette:

Trojan Horse and beads.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:41pm JakeGhould:

Boo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:42pm Mark Hurst:

"Innovation"
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...a lot like the question of how much the Government was involved in the Psychedelic Movement - when & on what level...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:42pm Buffalo's Tom:

Hello, Mark and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:43pm Mark Hurst:

Hi Buffalo's Tom!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:44pm Buffalo's Tom:

Thanks for another enlightening show! I see I needed a more nuanced view of the EFF.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:46pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, Tom
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:46pm Mark Hurst:

RevRabbit'63 - we'll get close to that, a bit, next week
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:46pm herb.nyc:

can we start a GIGGLE company that mocks GOOGLE? how about a FACECROOK company?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:46pm melinda:

I'm not sure what to do with my EFF t-shirt now. It has a cute cat on it but it feels tainted now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:46pm JakeGhould:

FWIW, the EFF here sounds like a character type I have come across over the years and who I have dubbed—and I made this up so accept no substitutes—the “Outraged Ineffectual Enabler: Someone in a group who is outraged at some behavior in the group, but is ultimately an ineffective enabler of that behavior.”
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:47pm Mark Hurst:

I see what you did with that username, Jake :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:48pm JakeGhould:

Boo! Go away! Leave my house! Boo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:48pm βrian:

@melinda: Add an apostrophe and "d."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:48pm JakeGhould:

Your name should be “Mark Blood Thurst”
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:48pm northguineahills:

Is the Google HQ campus be a Googleplex?
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:49pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

Facebook wants brains.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:49pm coelacanth∅:

melinda you can print "ef" in front of "eff"
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:49pm Michael 98145:

How much $$ does Wal Mart shovel to China every day ?
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:49pm geezerette:

Use Ouija boards. They're wireless too.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:49pm Robert Tables:

@melinda, same here. I've contributed in the past for some EFF swag, but I'm not so proud to wear it anymore. WFMU swag of course is better.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:49pm Bas NL:

Thanks Yasha.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:50pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada:

Brains! Google want brains!
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:50pm geezerette:

{:^(
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:51pm Michael 98145:

♫ :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:51pm coelacanth∅:

Michael, you mean "how much $$, which they stole from all taxpaying us citizens, does mallwart shovel to china?"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:51pm melinda:

@Robert it has only been an at-home shirt but I have a sticker on my car too! I will have to cover it with an FMU sticker.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:51pm Michael 98145:

yes, @coel
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:52pm JakeGhould:

@geezerette: Your name should be… Geezerbloodlette
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:52pm JakeGhould:

@herb.nyc: Your name should be FrankenHerb.NYC
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:53pm queems:

woop woop art show
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:53pm geezerette:

@Jake: Why? /:cD
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:53pm ?:

Great show, Mark, thanks! - http://freemusicarchive.org/music/half_cocked/Sausage_Party/half_cocked_-_Sausage_Party_-_02_-_CIA_Man
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:54pm ultradamno:

I'd think Parker Bros. would have come up with a way to monetize Ouija interaction surveillance.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:54pm JakeGhould:

FOR HALLOWEEN!!!! OMFG!!!

Anyway, perfectly rectangular iceberg… Goldberg, it’s all the same to me! qz.com...
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:55pm chresti:

Hahaha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Don't Be Evil' ...implies it was a concern form the start??
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:56pm chresti:

Get ‘em!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:56pm ultradamno:

Wow, that shape of iceberg can't be a good sign.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:56pm JakeGhould:

FWIW, I did appreciate when Yasha said that being offline and not a part of the Internet is basically like being a hermit. I know, some people have no problems with that. But it does bring up the idea that society is now a part of social media and visa versa. So how to balance and protect? That’s the deal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:56pm coelacanth∅:

fastmail wants money.
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 6:57pm Pen:

ice consciousness
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:57pm Michael 98145:

i am happy with my protonmail experience
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:57pm melinda:

@Jake I appreciated that too
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:58pm JakeGhould:

I also have a Protonmail.
  Mon. 10/22/18 6:58pm P-90:

Fascinating, always. Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 6:59pm coelacanth∅:

i have a protonmail account. i made it amonth ago but haven't gotten around to changing my contacts' info
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:59pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 6:59pm Michael 98145:

thanks again, Mark H.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 7:00pm JakeGhould:

Boo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 7:00pm northguineahills:

happy thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 10/22/18 7:00pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 7:00pm chresti:

Rev-that was a mission statement the google bros made
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 7:00pm Mark Hurst:

Too scary, Jake! Thanks, everyone, for being with me this evening.
Avatar Mon. 10/22/18 7:00pm geezerette:

Protonmail looks good.

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 7:01pm chresti:

Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 7:01pm chresti:

I love this song!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 10/22/18 7:02pm Michael 98145:

now we fry
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