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Favoriting May 12, 2013: "People Who Only Need a Beat" drum special, with co-hosts Irwin and EFD

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Artist Track Album Comments
Tri-Fi-Drums  The Billy May Orchestra   Favoriting !Wild! Stereo Drums   
 
Frank Zappa  Tell Me You Love Me   Favoriting Chunga's Revenge  Drummer: Aynsley Dunbar 
Raymond Scott Quintette  Square Dance for Eight Egyptian Mummies   Favoriting Microphone Music  Drummer: Johnny Williams 
The Move  I Can Hear the Grass Grow   Favoriting Movements  Drummer: Bev Bevan 
 
Jethro Tull  My Sunday Feeling   Favoriting This Was  Drummer: Clive Bunker 
The Sweet  No You Don't   Favoriting Desolation Boulevard  Drummer: Mick Tucker 
Gerry Gibbs and the Third Trio from the Sun  Miss Nancy (comp. Arthur Blythe)   Favoriting First Visit  Drummer: Gerry Gibbs 
 
Lighthouse  Mountain Man   Favoriting Lighthouse  Drummer: Skip Prokop 
Henry Cow  Viva Pa Ubu   Favoriting V/A: Recommended Records Sampler  Drummer: Chris Cutler 
AC/DC  Shot Down in Flames   Favoriting Highway to Hell  Drummer: Phil Rudd 
 
Big Star  Back of a Car   Favoriting Radio City  Drummer: Jody Stephens 
Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers  Hank's Symphony   Favoriting At the Cafe Bohemia, Vol. 2  Drummer: Art Blakey 
Brand X  Euthanasia Waltz   Favoriting Unorthodox Behaviour  Drummer: Phil Collins 
 
Rick Wakeman  Anne of Cleves   Favoriting Six Wives of Henry the Eighth  Drummer: Alan White 
Elvis Costello and the Attractions  Lipstick Vogue   Favoriting This Year's Model  Drummer: Pete Thomas 
The Bad Plus  Big Eater   Favoriting These Are the Vistas  Drummer: Dave King 
       
Nina Simone  Mood Indigo   Favoriting Little Girl Blue  Drummer: Tootie Heath 
Bill Lloyd  This Is the Way   Favoriting Standing on the Shoulders of Giants  Drummer: Dennis Diken 
Slapp Happy  Michelangelo   Favoriting Acnalbasac Noom  Drummer: Werner "Zappi" Diermaier 
 
The Upper Crust  Cream of the Crust   Favoriting Cream of the Crust  Drummer: Jackie Kickassis 
Jack Bruce  Over the Cliff   Favoriting Things We Like  Drummer: Jon Hiseman 
Jimi Hendrix  Third Stone from the Sun   Favoriting Are You Experienced?  Drummer: Mitch Mitchell 
 
Mahavishnu Orchestra  Celestial Terrestrial Commuters   Favoriting Birds of Fire  Drummer: Billy Cobham 
Max Roach  It Don't Mean a Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing   Favoriting Max Roach + 4  Drummer: Max Roach 
dB's  Bad Reputation   Favoriting Stands for Decibels  Drummer: Will Rigby 
 
The Three Suns  Caravan   Favoriting Movin' 'n' Groovin'  Drummer: ??? 
The Professionals  The Magnificent   Favoriting I Didn't See It Coming  Drummer: Paul Cook 
This Heat  Cenotaph   Favoriting Deceit  Drummer: Charles Hayward 
 
Led Zeppelin  Good Times Bad Times   Favoriting Led Zeppelin  Drummer: John Bonham 


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Listener comments!

Avatar 9:01pm
Dave Mandl:

Evening, percussion lovers.
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Uncle Michael:

beat me, daddy
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Give the drummer some, indeed.
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pacific standard simon:

STICK it to the man.
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Chris in TX via RI:

This ought to be a great show!
Avatar 9:05pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

ANIMAL EXCITED!
- Animal great career!:
www.youtube.com...
...but Animal not *always* happy... :
www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:05pm
G:

Holy crap, can't miss this!
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G:

Time to do some Monday work early, so I can sit at the kb for awhile...
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Uncle Michael:

HI AMANDA
  9:08pm
EL:

(buckles his seat belt)
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listener james from westwood:

jeebus, a power quartet in jc tonight! headin' to bed now but will lovingly hit the archive tomorrow!
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tomB:

Amanda! In the ether! Let her speak!
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G:

Lassie rushed in barking that EFD was down the abandoned mine shaft.
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G:

He's out, happy ending in under 40 seconds
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Uncle Michael:

turntable headcutting session
  9:10pm
bloopy:

hey cool
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pacific standard simon:

whack-a-mole
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pacific standard simon:

Excellent choice Aynsley Dunbar track -- they say he is not averse to being beaten a little himself.
Avatar 9:15pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I used to hear people say Aynsley shoulda been Keith Moon's replacement when he died...
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Droll:

Three hours of three DJ-Drummers with no drummer jokes? Nice try!

It's so difficult to pick a fave Zappa drummer, Chad and Terry aren't slouches either.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:16pm
pacific standard simon:

Which Zappa musician is depicted in my current avatar?
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Dave Mandl:

Hey there, everyone. (Too many people to name individually.)
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Dave Mandl:

@Droll: True, but I'm partial to Aynsley, and the Zappa records he plays on.
  9:17pm
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Bob Crane!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I saw Terry Bozzio w/ Jeff Beck
- & I was shouting for *Terry*...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:18pm
Chris in TX via RI:

I love the title of this track
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:19pm
Andrew Waterloo:

Love the drumming on these Scott Quintette recordings.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:19pm
pacific standard simon:

Bev!
  9:20pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

Ah, some Bev Bevan love! Even though he held the left stick incorrectly, he was still a very good and effective player.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:20pm
efd:

Hey everyone! Thanks for tuning in to hear some drum nerdiness
Avatar 9:21pm
Dave Mandl:

Irwin plays with "traditional" grip (left hand). I could never do it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:21pm
efd:

... and read some. :)
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dk:

round 1 goes to irwin, i think. that raymond scott track was nuts.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:23pm
Matt F:

Since drummer jokes are disallowed I will not mention that Now would be a good time to test whether the floor of Studio A is level by checking to see if you guys are all drooling out of both sides of your mouths.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:24pm
sb:

Dave, just read your article on re-recording - very informative. Thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:24pm
pacific standard simon:

I love all these drummers, but Williams gets the cowbell award.
Avatar 9:26pm
Droll (special Tony Thompson avatar):

dk, Remember it's an exhibition, not a competition!
I prefer Bev pre-Lynne gated reverb snare sound.

The fastest, loudest drummer I ever saw was some jazz dinosaur who barely moved. All in the wrists, played with both ends of the stick. Unbelievably loud bombs.
  9:27pm
bloopy:

when i first heard u guys were doin this i thought it was goin to be like the djs actually playing drums in the studio......
Avatar 9:28pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I love 'No You Don't' as a song! Strong Who-Sweet connection, no?
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Holly in NC:

Hello all! Excited!
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Dave Mandl:

@bloopy: No way. I'd get my butt kicked.
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Dave Mandl:

Hey Holly.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Clive's splitting up the beat nicely but keeping it bouncing - like Brubeck on Amphetamine - or am I way off there??...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:32pm
Folsom:

Any bets on who's the first to cue up Wipeout?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:34pm
G:

The Sweet -- the shortest axis between bubblegum, power pop, glam, and subsequent hair rock. That's a lot of axes to cover.
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fleep:

Very "Who"
  9:34pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

The Sweet=Led Zep lite with actual songs
Avatar 9:35pm
deanland:

Will we hear any Gary Burke tonight? He's played with a ton of groups, perhaps most notably with Joe Jackson. Or any Roy Blumenfeld, the genius drummer from the Blues Project? His drum solo on Flute Thing is remarkable in that it mirrors much of the melody -- yes, I know, no solos, so how about his use of all sorts of percussive elements -all by his lonesome- on Steve's Song?
Avatar 9:35pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I think Townshend coined the term 'Power Pop' somewhere around '67, actually...
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Uncle Michael:

I'm inspired. I'm going to play the track which has the best faux-Moon drumming I know of, some time.
Avatar 9:36pm
deanland:

Keith Moon on Happy Jack is also drumming as a central part of the song, not only the rhythm section.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Rat Scabies!
Avatar 9:37pm
Dave Mandl:

"Polly" by the Kinks is a pretty straight Who knockoff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:37pm
pacific standard simon:

Jim Gordon had his Moon-like moments.
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Dave Mandl:

...But a good one.
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KevinfromBayRidge:

Don't know if this is a competition, but the listeners are all winners!
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Dave Mandl:

I think we'll be hearing from Gordon tonight.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...always thot the thing about The Who was they were Maximum R&B - but also brought in this 'Euro' Romantic Symphony kinda 'Wagnerian' drama thing - reflected in Moon's inflections...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:39pm
Uncle Michael:

I'm trying hard not to make anticipatory posts.
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deanland:

Jim Capaldi deserves some mention, too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:40pm
Webhamster Henry:

I've has a bad taste in my mouth about drum solos since Cream's Toad. I hope you guys can straighten me out.
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Dave Mandl:

@deanland: Absolutely. I'm a big Traffic fan. Irwin too, I think.
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Dave Mandl:

@WH: Yeah, there won't be much of that tonight.
  9:40pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

wow, that's some bass playing!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- to be fair to Ginger Baker - Toad came out in 1966. If I *gotta* hear a drum solo - Ginger is not far from the top of *my* list...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Killer Gibbs track - yahrs.
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Droll:

I didn't want to pick favorites, but Mr. Gibbs swept that set. How many times did he flip the beat without jumping or skipping the groove? Like magic... Outstanding recording of the kit, too.
Avatar 9:43pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Heard 'Hidden Treasure' by Traffic today & was reminded how good they were - if not a Drummy track...
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Chris in TX via RI:

Irwin killed that set for sure
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Chris in TX via RI:

killed in a good way
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Jazz - the skill of Classical musicians & a lotta the dynamics of Rawk.
Avatar 9:48pm
deanland:

Sam Lay, also, who played with everybody and their brother,had a way of making every band sound better.
  9:48pm
Scott:

Kevin Ellman on Todd's Everybody's Going to Heaven/King Kong Reggae
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:48pm
Chris in TX via RI:

I'm glad you guys are taking the not-so-obvious approach here. Would be too easy to drop some Bonzo/Moon/Peart.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:48pm
Uncle Michael:

Jerome Brailey, Ron Tutt, Bernard Purdie...I said I wasn't going to do this....
  9:49pm
John Davison:

Trivia: "No You Don't" is originally from the UK release of _Sweet Fanny Adams_. The US release of _Desolation Boulevard_ is a mess that takes some tracks from _Sweet Fanny Adams_ and some tracks from the UK release of _Desolation Boulevard_.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:50pm
Uncle Michael:

ED CASSIDY...
  9:50pm
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Jimmy Chamberlin!
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Uncle Michael:

Clem Cattini...
  9:51pm
John Davison:

Hey DJs: Do you have any recordings of the Trixon Speedfire 700 drum set ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trixon_Drums )? The bass drum was designed for two pedals. It looks really cool but, reportedly, didn't sound very good!
  9:51pm
Holly in NC:

Stella Mozgawa.
  9:51pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

EFD--I think you mean Chris Slade with Tom Jones, not Phil Rudd.
Dave--Simon Kirke is touring with Bad Company again (dates in summer I believe)
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Dave Mandl:

@Michael: I'm almost tempted to see them. I've been listening to early Bad Company recently.
  9:53pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

Dave all original members except Boz Burrell (sadly unavailable)
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efd:

Whoops - thanks Michael, you're correct! Will correct after the set.
  9:53pm
John Davison:

Then there's *this* Bad Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Company_(drum_and_bass_group)
  9:54pm
christoph:

It might be guilty pleasure but do NOT forget about Phil Collins!
  9:54pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

And Dave, Paul Rodgers is the consummate professional--I saw him solo several times and he was great every time--that guy is not only a great singer but a great entertainer and really knows how to work the stage
  9:54pm
Holly in NC:

Ziggy Modeliste
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Dan:

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
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Uncle Michael:

I wish Phil Collins had remained a drummer.
  9:55pm
John Davison:

cristoph: The Phil Collins/Hugh Padgham gated reverb sound deserves a special mention!
  9:55pm
christoph:

And Jeff Porcaro!
  9:55pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

No mention of Howard Shore (Lighthouse member--SNL's first musical director)?
EFD-Paul Hoffert was also a member of Lighthouse (he's the uncle of Eric from the Speedies--they made their first demos at his house I believe)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:56pm
pacific standard simon:

True, UM -- he was lotsa fun on that first Brand X album.
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deanland:

What a pleasure to hear talk of all these drummers & bands.
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KevinfromBayRidge:

Was blown away, in my younger days, by live shows featuring Cobham with Mahavishnu, as well as Clive with JT.
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Dave Mandl:

First Brand X album coming up later!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:57pm
Uncle Michael:

I just think Genesis died with the departure of Gabriel.
  9:57pm
John Davison:

Re: the Sweet: Their cover of the Who's "My Generation" (on the UK release of _Desolation Boulevard_) features very tight drumming; recommended.
  9:58pm
Scott:

Lighthouse's 'Pretty Lady' and 'One Fine Morning' are worth a listen also.
Avatar 9:58pm
Dave Mandl:

@UM: I'd defend at least the first post-Gabriel LP, but that's about it.
  9:58pm
John Davison:

Ted Templeman's snare sound with Alex Van Halen surely deserves an honorable mention.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:59pm
Uncle Michael:

Ted Templeman is a goddam genius.
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G:

@UM: The cheese factor definitely rose rapidly from 1975-78.
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pacific standard simon:

I'd have to agree with Dave.
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deanland:

Roy Haynes may be the best of all. His restraint and melodious chops are unlike all, and he complements any and all of the groups he's been a part of.
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Droll:

I love how you don't indicate who played it on the playlist because it's so obvious. I can SMELL the hippies playing on Mountain man!
Ditto DM re:Trick of the Tail.
  10:01pm
John Davison:

I'm late to the party. Has anyone mentioned John French yet?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:01pm
Uncle Michael:

Templeman and Tiran Porter are the reasons I never tire of early Doobie Brothers albums.
  10:01pm
John Davison:

...or Pierre Moerlen?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Roy Haynes like Elvin Jones but spread it around a little more.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

ELVIN JONES.
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deanland:

Not certain who was the drummer with Chris MacGregor's Brotherhood of Breath (a WFMU fave rave, available almost no other place on the planet), but that was great drumming, galore!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:03pm
pacific standard simon:

I was just about to, John. The combo of Drumbo and Artie Tripp (produced by Ted Templeman!) on Clear Spot was freakin' glorious.
  10:04pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

John--Alex Van Halen is totally underrated--that shifting beat in Finish What You Started is pretty great. If I recall correctly, many of the Van Halen records were recorded with just snare drum and cymbals while the rest were electronic drums
  10:04pm
John Davison:

Also deserving of attention is Neil Young from Fat Worm of Error.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:04pm
Andrew Waterloo:

I thought it was funny that Irwin mentioned the Thunderstruck video. "holy shit look at the drummer" was my reaction to that video as well.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:05pm
G:

Weren't the Doobie Brothers in part someone in the music industry's attempt to replace the hole left by the end of CCR? (yes, I'm instigating) I recall a UK music paper reviewer complaining about heavy the promotion of them was to the music press at the time of "Listen to the Music".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:05pm
Tome:

Clement Burke always a fave of mine ,, despite the fact that I mostly like the 70's hard rock drummer mostly starting with ie.. Ginger Baker -- Carl Palmer,,bill Bruford etc...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06pm
Uncle Michael:

Bun E Carlos...thumping away on Big Eyes...
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Dan:

This is horrible... please play something better
  10:06pm
rick:

The saxophonist for Lighthouse was Howard Shore who went on to become the greatest living North American film composer, scoring The Lord of the Rings trilogy, all David Cronenberg films, and Martin Scorsese's film Hugo among others. Of course, Ennio Morricone is the world's greatest living composer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:07pm
pacific standard simon:

I tried to get Dave to play some Joe Morello, and I was shot down in flames.
  10:07pm
GT:

Love to hear some Prarie Prince....and the awesome Tubes machine
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:08pm
Uncle Michael:

Pre-Michael MacDonald Doobies...I can only speak to what a great sounding batch of albums they put out, not the business considerations of the promotion of the band.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I respect playing the AC/DC to show the value of just playing in the pocket w/ solid power, no?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:10pm
Uncle Michael:

Have none of you heard Ginger Bakers "Horses and Trees?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:12pm
Chris in TX via RI:

Art Blakey! Yay! I think that guy created my appreciation for jazz.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:12pm
Andrew Waterloo:

I have that GB album, I love his album with Fela Kuti
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I would consider all that critique about Ginger Baker more valid if he were the only drummer...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:12pm
pacific standard simon:

I've heard Ginger Baker play on Hawkwind's "Levitation", which was wonderful, and sounded nothing like "Ginger Baker".
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tomB:

The two Jims, Gordon & Keltner, sometimes played on the same song. Can you help us tell which is which?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:14pm
G:

@UM: Well, I am recalling a review from forty years ago that I haven't seen since, but I think the reviewer's core beef was not bad production or musicianship but that he felt the material was deliberately primarily commercial and meant to fill a market niche (that CCR had identified and then abandoned) -- this was in the era when the US music industry was recentralizing in CA, with the whiff of Hollywood commercialism which that seemed to some to carry...
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Dave Mandl:

I like Gordon's playing with Derek and the Dominos. Also some Traffic.
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Dave Mandl:

Irwin's got something unusual with Gordon on it, I think.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:18pm
pacific standard simon:

...and there's that one track with Zappa, "Apostrophe (')".
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Searching on YouTube - I find it split into 3rds :
elvin jones max roach art blakey drum battle part 1A :
www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:18pm
G:

Bringin' the jazz, now practically forgotten by mainstream culture. Cultural Fail.
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tomB:

Bad Co.: Stick to the records. I lose interest in band revivals in which the vocalist organizes sing-a-longs.
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Dave Mandl:

Yes, the track "Apostrophe," with Jack Bruce on bass.
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spodiodi:

Yes.
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fleep:

Yes.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Zappa on Cream: 'A *nifty* little band.' (As a compliment.)
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tomB:

Which drummer smiles the most? Art Blakey or Elvin Jones?
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Dan:

Yes.
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Droll:

tomB, Hampton.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:21pm
Andrew Waterloo:

The Quietus had a baker'z dozen with Ginger Baker not too long ago. Apparently Baker doesn't listen to a lot of music so he mainly listed stuff he's played on and talked about it a bit. He mentions many times that a certain bassist played too loud
Avatar 10:21pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Passing thru Blakey's Messengers a major apprenticeship for large numbers of significant players...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:21pm
pacific standard simon:

Those guys smile the way hungry wolves "smile".
  10:22pm
Holly in NC:

Wonderful. I do hope Max Roach w/b featured later in the show, also.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh - Ginger's quite a personality alright. Let's just say very much the late Leo & leave it @ that...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

As promised: Phil Collins killin' it on drums.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
Uncle Michael:

@G: I'm not being deliberately contrarian but I have a hard time *hearing* the Doobies as have much, if anything to do with an attempt to occupy a market niche vacated by CCR. Just not getting it.
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Clay Pigeon:

Phil Collins is a fantastic drummer. Glad you played the Skip Prokop, Irwin. Sounds great guys. Cobham!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
Mutant:

No jacket required
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Andrew Waterloo:

I can get behind this Phil Collins
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:26pm
pacific standard simon:

Let's hear it for the mighty Percy Jones on bass, too.
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Droll:

I (incorrectly) remember Brand X and being flavorless. This aged better than I thought, not even as dated as DM said.
Avatar 10:26pm
Dave Mandl:

I still like all their stuff, but some tracks hold up better than others.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm
Uncle Michael:

Waiter, I'll have the soup...and could you bring some shit for Andrew's fly?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The Prokop was impressive. I can imagine having seen that Live & being pretty astonished.
  10:28pm
Michael from the Left Coast:

How about some love for Gene Palma? Don't know who that i? Try this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSfSACaxBbY
a terrific drummer--I saw him many times playing on various street corner (mostly near Central Park) and he seemed to have absorbed the styles and essences of many drummers (and recreated them on just a snare drum and I think he had a small cymbal later). I also think he was the model for Ratso Rizzo
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28pm
Uncle Michael:

There are some contemporary drummers that just kill me...Rodney Holmes and Stanton Moore come to mind. That guy from Porcupine Tree too...
  10:29pm
PB:

It is sacrilege to even mention the Doobie Bros in the same sentence as CCR.
  10:30pm
PB:

It's like the Monkees were to the Beatles.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:31pm
Uncle Michael:

Oh, please. Fogarty had one idea and milked it till Saul Zaenz made him STFU. ;)
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CP:

Rick Rubin said Phil Rudd was the best drummer he's worked with. A pocket so tight you could read the year on a quarter. We need some Don Brewer from T.N.U.C.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@PB: - that might've been G's point on the CCR/Doobies thing & the PromoMen?...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:32pm
Uncle Michael:

SO glad to hear Pete Thomas.
  10:33pm
PB:

That's Fogerty with an e, not an a Michael. Doobies = pure contrived commercial pap.
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tomB:

Best drummer name: Chad Wackerman
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:34pm
G:

OK, Wakeman aint heard on FMU much haha
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Wakeman's on some Eno stuff, no?
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Droll:

G, Indeed, this show is a special excuse to prog out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm
G:

This (track 2 side one) is a tad repetitive on all instruments. I'm partial to track 1. Not that I'm second guessing anyone :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm
Andrew Waterloo:

I have a couple Wakeman albums. Musical comedy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm
Uncle Michael:

Whateves.
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Uncle Michael:

Wakeman lifts the melody from "Bus Stop" there for a few measures.
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G:

Yes, Wakeman always edged way over into cheese, especially on lyrics and vocalists. I aint no koolaid drinker :)
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Uncle Michael:

Before we even get to Lipstick Vogue...has anyone here ever heard Alexander by Electric Banana?
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Droll:

Those are some pretty rugged triplets! Alan rocked so much harder than Bill.
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efd:

Too late! (I haven't heard it.)
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- well - maybe a useful comparison is great Film Directors who do stuff that coulda used a good Writer? Which happens a lot? Julian Cope said a great thing about Musicians getting Songwriting wrong a lot - but I don't remember well enuff to even paraphrase...
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Dave Mandl:

@Droll: True. Extremely powerful drummer.
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Uncle Michael:

Evan, I want to send you the track. You NEED to hear how it opens.
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G:

Yes, that first Wakeman solo album is the only album I can think of from the early 70s where the never-ending YesFolk debate of White v. Bruford can be engaged in based on the same studio album. Five of the six tracks are White or Bruford, and the first and second tracks are a great example of each.
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kevin g:

Would like to recommend this youtube video featuring a full live performance of Elvis and the Attractions in 1978 (including "Lipstick Vogue") for anyone like me who never got to see this band in their heyday or those who'd like to reminisce: www.youtube.com...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Would you say Dave King is in the Tony Williams school? He's killin' it anyhow!
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Scott:

Some Purdie shuffle?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

That Dave King was like being sprayed by a highpresure hose (that's praise).
...Is it not a Truism that okay band + great drummer ='s good band?
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Uncle Michael:

@Scott: Check youtube for Becker & Fagen discussing the Purdie Shuffle on "Home At Last."
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Uncle Michael:

Great to hear some love for Jim Eno.
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Uncle Michael:

No one recorded drums worse that Jimmy Ienner did on those Raspberries albums.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

AVH: That 'circular' thing @ the beginning of 'Hot for Teacher', I think: How is that even done - ?!
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trish:

Glad to be tuning into the last hour, at least. (Dear Future Archives, ..
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I really like The Smithereens.
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Droll:

Next time you do this you need to run a second stream where you leave the studio mics open while the songs play so we can listen in.

Did Irwin just go "Squeeeee!"?
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casey:

love that you included Bad Plus here... they are miles and miles and miles ahead
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pacific standard simon:

Another drummer I won't hear on this program: Spencer Dryden and his wonderful introduction to Jefferson Airplane's "She Has Funny Cars".
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efd:

@Droll, it would pretty much be three hours of "I wish I could play drums like this."
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efd:

With each of us only getting about eight or nine songs there are going to be a LOT of worthy drummers left unplayed.
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Chris in TX via RI:

Great selection, Irwin. Some of these tracks are the reasons I became a jazz fan. Bass is great on this one too.
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Droll:

EFD, That's what it sounds like here, too.
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Julie:

No Karen Carpenter??
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Uncle Michael:

Karen was a good drummer but there's a pretty good chance it's Hal Blaine on the tracks playing in your head.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...you gotta love how they share the space in Jazz. As Wynton Marsalis always emphasizes - they actually *listen* to each other...
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bloopy:

any max roach???? :D
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efd:

Irwin mentioned a great YouTube video of Karen Carpenter playing a great solo.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Smithereens love The Who & you can hear it.
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Dave Mandl:

I believe Irwin's got some Max Roach in the hopper.
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kevin g:

Not a drummer myself, but would like to say that I've always been crazy about Janet Weiss, especially on the last two Sleater-Kinney records. Always in some way weird and interesting but also always catchy and worth listening to on any of those songs.
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pacific standard simon:

I remember a live set by the former Mrs. Will Rigby in which she reeled out several minutes of insulting drummer jokes, then played a song titled, "Tonight I'm Going To Give The Drummer Some".
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efd:

Smithereens did a great cover of "The Seeker." Not that it's really possible to do a bad cover of "The Seeker."
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Droll:

Diermaier is more lyrical in HH than Stewart Copeland. And nice and clear in the mix.
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Julie:

@EFD ahh..I got here late..what about sheila e? :)
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Uncle Michael:

Seriously. I heard Buffalo Tom just kill The Seeker once.
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pacific standard simon:

I bet The Shaggs could do a bad cover of "The Seeker".
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Holly in NC:

Hecj, I like Palmolive!
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Scott W:

playing "A Quick One" with Diken & Matt Fiveash in 2005, I felt like I was in The Who. Breathtaking drummer.

ooh, Zappi!
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deanland:

@Uncle Michael: yes, Hal Blaine, the LA session guy, the west coast equivalent of Pretty Purdie. When in doubt, call Hal Blaine, just as it was Purdie in NY.
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Dave Mandl:

@Scott: Agreed about Dennis *and* Zappi.
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Uncle Michael:

Purdie did a lot of NY work but mainly worked in Detroit...though only at Motown fairly late in the game.
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SLiMBiLT:

Jim Janota a.k.a Jackie Kickassis!! His playing in The Bags (from Boston not the L.A. Bags) is astonishing.
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pacific standard simon:

Yeah, Mitch, much missed. "I Don't Live Today" would be my favorite.
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efd:

@SLiMBiLT, yes, exactly! Such a great drummer!
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fleep:

Verging on a lawsuit
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pacific standard simon:

Wait, what? These guys are way better than AC/DC!
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Mutant:

AC/DC with wigs
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Andrew Waterloo:

I almost forgot about the Upper Crust
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Wynton Marsalis makes that point about Fusion too: What is being 'fused' when, historically, Rock is from R&B & that's a branch off Jazz too? (to paraphrase.)
Oh yes!!: - Why is Mitch Mitchell not frequently credited as one of the greatest Rock Instrumentalists? It's always about Jimi, is why; but Mitch was who Jimi was most compatible w/.
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Uncle Michael:

Wynton Marsalis is frequently full of shit.
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deanland:

@Uncle Michael I heard an interview with Purdie, speaking about how he was flying in for one session. By the time he arrived, he was booked for three days straight in NY. These days with the ability to record in multiple locations, guys like Purdie and Hal Blaine (among others) could be busy 24/7.
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pacific standard simon:

Guess "Jazz/Rock Reunion" had less selling power than "Jazz/Rock Fusion".
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Uncle Michael:

Purdie is 80 or so and still working his ass off...and lying his ass off about the Beatles...which is still the weirdest thing about him.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Wynton is Opinionated - but I consider him well worth listening to - if not reflexively agreeing w/...
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Uncle Michael:

Wynton isn't just opinionated, he has a pernicious agenda.
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Andrew Waterloo:

I enjoyed Wynton's spots on Ken Burn's Jazz.
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pacific standard simon:

Everything about that Jack Bruce track was wonderful.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Ah U.M.!: I am interested in you elaborating - but only if here & now is right?...
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Chris in TX via RI:

I tend to agree Unc. Every time I've heard him speak something just grinds me about him.
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Mutant:

Wynton is too much of a preservationist for me. Jazz doesn't need to live in a museum.
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Uncle Michael:

Here and now probably isn't right. I will say that I know orders of magnitude less about music than Wynton Marsalis does. So I don't think the things he says that are ridiculous are uninformed. I think they're dishonest.
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Chris in TX via RI:

I listened to Third Stone From the Sun on my little Crosley at work one day, fairly loudly, and it was pretty amusing to hear my supervisor's reaction to it.
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G:

@UM: Many people say things not because they actually think they are true, but because they think they will support a desired agenda. Shocking, I know!
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Uncle Michael:

I'm shocked to learn that gambling is going on in here!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...I was hoping the (StraightAhead) YoungLions vs. ParaJazz Punks thing had simmered down by now - maybe not...
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G:

Chuck Mangione it ain't.
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Mutant:

Can't argue with Cobham.
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John Davison:

re: "Celestial Terrestrial Commuters:" Sweet!
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beavoux:

Billy Cobham
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...see: You say 'Fusion' like it's a *bad* thing...
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Uncle Michael:

With me...when it comes to John McLaughlin...it's always all about Shakti...but this is great.
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Droll:

Mahavishnu is Prog, not fusion.
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pacific standard simon:

I'll take it as a substitute for Jack DeJohnette.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Ah, Droll!
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Uncle Michael:

You guys are keeping me up past my bedtime.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Whata version of 'Swing'!
...Didn't wanna get on Max Roach's bad side either, I understand...
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beavoux:

Yes is prog. Mahavishnu is most certainly fusion being jazz players.
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pacific standard simon:

Give the percussionists some!
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InSamsara:

This is what an anxiety attack sounds like.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...it's a desert topping - *&* a floor wax...
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Chris in TX via RI:

My goodness
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

InSamsara: We called it 'The 20th Century'...
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G:

"20th Century Angsty Band"
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beavoux:

Kenny Clark
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deanland:

Egad, what a show tonight! Please tell us Round Two is already being scheduled.
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Uncle Michael:

Oh crap...I love the Three Suns.
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beavoux:

Caravan with a drum sola?
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pacific standard simon:

"I wanna hear Caravan with a drum solo."
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beavoux:

ha!
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pacific standard simon:

Psych!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...w/ a drum sol*a*
- by My Three Suns...
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beavoux:

Bill Bailey? OK we'll get to that tomorrow
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Irwin:

Lisa recommends:
www.youtube.com...

This is why the internet was invented! Cats playing drums.
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G:

Can i haz solo? lulz
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Uncle Michael:

This guy just doesn't get it: www.weirdwildrealm.com...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

HaHa CatVid!: That's what I'm talkin' about - real musicians interacting...
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Uncle Michael:

Or this Ratgirl, as the case may be.
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beavoux:

Waste of film? Ouch.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...*I* wanna see it...
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pacific standard simon:

True, although that last one, Stalingrad, does indeed passeth all understanding.
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beavoux:

Charles Hayward also played in Quiet Sun With Manzenara. Great LP
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Droll:

Thanks you three! What a treat this was. Saving the cat for last, just swooping in from nowhere in the final minutes to steal the show! Unforgettable!

And you left MY favorite drummer, Tony Thompson, for next time! So many great left for next time: Colaiuta, Phillps, Gadd, Hampton... The next one will be even better.
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pacific standard simon:

Well! Charles Hayward in something other than Quiet Sun? Interesting.
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Chris in TX via RI:

Thanks for the killer drum fest guys!
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pacific standard simon:

...Billy Higgins, Ed Blackwell...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Fun!
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Uncle Michael:

This was a great time guys. Thank you.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

How's about Frank Beard?
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G:

Gettin' the led out...
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Droll:

Looks like the cat just got bumped to second place. Thanks again you three!
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tomB:

@PS Simon: Hey I was at that set at the Fez. If you heard it elsewhere, I guess she succumbed to schtick.
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fleep:

Great night of radio, thanks to all.
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Chris in TX via RI:

Could have played Four Sticks instead, but Good Times, Bad Times will do for sure. I'll take any Bonham.
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beavoux:

No Keith Moon?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...doesn't look like anyone would mind another round...
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Dave Mandl:

Thanks everyone! And thanks for all the great comments.
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Dave Mandl:

See you next week.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...they didn't wanna shame the others by playing Moonie. We all know he's the best anyhow. : p ...
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Chris in TX via RI:

Never could figure out how Bonzo pulled some of his bass rolls with a single pedal.
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pacific standard simon:

tomB: it used to be on the Internet Archive.
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efd:

We stipulated Keith Moon earlier as a great drummer who everyone already knows. This was just a track to close out the night with that we all agree on, since we didn't have time for another set of three songs.
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phil:

awesome show! thanks!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I learned a lot & it were a blast!
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beavoux:

Cobwebs and Strange.
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12539:

Sorry I missed this live. Great show, all three of you!
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Paul:

Glad there was some Max Roach here - a wonderful drummer, capable of really musical solo playing - not something you can say about many drummers. I treasure a copy of 'The Long March' which documents live duet performances with Anthony Braxton and Archie Shepp which also include solo pieces from Roach which are that - pieces and not 'drum solos'. Sorry I'm so late adding this ...
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