WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from September 19, 2021

Listener comments!
	9:00am DJpeterDE: Out is coming
	🦀 ♥ 9:00am hyde: hello!
	🦀 ♥ 9:01am duke: OUTward bound
	♥ 9:01am Jeff Golick: @DJpeterDE! @hyde! Big hellos!
	♥ 9:01am Andrew in Toronto: Hi there Jeff and all other listeners.
	♥ 9:02am Jeff Golick: @duke! Where we're going, we don't need...staves? Greetings, @Andrew in Toronto!
	9:02am Listener Gregory: I’ve got a busy day, so I started a few minutes early on my own. Hope that’s ok. Good morning, everyone:
	9:06am Stork: Rah-rah rarin’ ta go!!
	9:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo Hallo. Buzzed to bee hear.
	♥ 9:07am TDK60: Hi Jeff.
	♥ 9:09am Jeff Golick: @Listener Gregory - good morning; I'll try to catch up! @Stork! @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! @TDK60! The hits keep coming...
	🦀 ♥ 9:10am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all! Feels like a tiny bit of autumn out there!
	♥ 9:12am TDK60: Going to see Patti Smith tonight in Central Park. Last night, I saw Afrobeaters, Antibalas in the same spot!
	♥ 9:13am Jeff Golick: @listener james from westwood, welcome! Yes, detecting a fall-like undertaste.
	♥ 9:13am Jeff Golick: Zowie, @TDK60, fantastic outings!
	🦀 ♥ 9:16am fred: Greetings Jeff and all. I'm not worthy and I don't know
	🦀 ♥ 9:17am Listener Gregory: When I started listening to this music, Abrams somehow never really came to my attention. I began to read his name long before I ever heard anything of his. So, my Abrams music collection is pretty pitiful.
	9:18am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It is Summer until Wednesday 22nd Sept. @ 15:22 EDT in the Northern Hemisphere ...no need to rush these things man !...
	9:19am WM: @TKD60: I'm going to hear Patti Smith in Central Park tonight too. I'll be wearing an MC5 tee shirt. Say hello if you see me.
	9:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TDK60 way kewl.
	♥ 9:19am Jeff Golick: @fred! Your worthiness!
	♥ 9:20am Jeff Golick: @WM, greetings!
	🦀 ♥ 9:20am WR: Thank you for the Abrams celebration.
	♥ 9:21am Jeff Golick: @WR, my pleasure! And a pleasure to see you. Note that the celebration will continue on the Drummer stream with Stork's show, also featuring MRA!
	9:22am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Sometimes I think of how Jazz enthusiasts have always been welcoming - & Rawk people can be clique-ish & exclusive. Which is sort of the reverse of their historical reputations.
	9:23am WM: And I went to hear the Count Basie Orchestra at Birdland two nights ago. I'm one of the most fortunate guys in JC/NYC.
	♥ 9:24am TDK60: WM, I'll say hello if I see the MC5 shirt.
	♥ 9:24am Jeff Golick: I suppose that's true, @RRN63, though the generational scuffles in jazz have been pretty strongly fought.
	♥ 9:25am Jeff Golick: Basie, @WM! Was the Antibalas show well attended?
	♥ 9:27am TDK60: Jeff, yes medium-to-big crowd at Antibalas. Also saw Valerie June there (Summerstage) recently. WM, make sure to bring your vax card to get in..
	9:27am rw: Good morning! Woke up early.
	9:28am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: JeffG yeah - in my time there was the YoungLions straight headers vs. the outties I suppose. But I mean my personal experience seeing shows & I guess now online. This isn't a lot of experience of course...
	9:29am rw: The ins and outs of life...
	♥ 9:30am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @rw!
	🦀 ♥ 9:30am doctorjazz: Go, Outies.!
	9:30am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *A-headers...
	🦀 ♥ 9:31am doctorjazz: Hi, Outies! (Meant to say...)
	9:32am Stork: Just to give yo Muhal-heads a little Muhal-heads-up: the first hour of Clubbo Storkofatzerino will be non-MUhal music to make us hungry- then we gorge! Yes gorge on a couple hors or so of MRA tastiness.
	♥ 9:35am Jeff Golick: Hiya, @doctorjazz!
	🦀 ♥ 9:37am doctorjazz: Got to hear Abrams once, with his big band.. Patti Smith, huh? Tempting (but tomorrow is a school day...
	9:38am DJpeterDE: So MRA ≠ Mra … or…
	🦀 ♥ 9:38am Listener Gregory: Hubie Blake used to insist that ragtime should not be played too fast. I'm afraid that this performance is not abiding by that... to its detriment, IMHO.
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am doctorjazz: This is great (the Joplin-. Reminds me off what the group Air was doing for a while.
	♥ 9:39am TDK60: I saw Patti Smith about 5 years ago at Lincoln Center. Billed as acoustic solo and poetry. When she took the stage she said she'd changed her mind and brought her electric band. I said to myself, "Oh well, suppose I'll stay..."
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am hyde: i like this record lot.
	♥ 9:40am Jeff Golick: Saw Abrams once, too, @doc. At the midtown church that hosted most of the AACM in NY events.
	♥ 9:41am Jeff Golick: @DJpeterDE, I was concerned about a different MRA confusion; the less about that, the better. We've already lost ICP.
	♥ 9:42am Jeff Golick: @LG: I hear you. I'm not 100% sure what they were after with the Joplin, but I doubt it was verisimilitude.
	9:43am DJpeterDE: Haha, true! If by “lose” you mean Google sends you one way and not the other
	♥ 9:44am Jeff Golick: I'm just realizing that the REMARKABLE and ESSENTIAL Braxton discography site restructures.net is offline. Anyone know what happened there?
	9:44am rw: Was just thinking about the speed of that Maple Leaf Rag. I can't decide if I like it on the speedier side. On the one hand, it feels way too rushed, but on the other hand, the speed pushes it into something else. Of course Jeff just put it way more succinctly. Thanks Jeff!
	9:44am DJpeterDE: Been wondering about Restructures meself
	9:45am Doug Schulkind: Good Muhning.
	♥ 9:46am Jeff Golick: Mu-wah, @Doug!
	9:46am rw: The speed of Opus 62 feels... just right.
	🦀 ♥ 9:51am doctorjazz: Really like Opus 62!
	10:00am The Rosners: Morning…. And happy birthday Muhal.
	10:03am The Rosners: Co-launched/founded Jeff.
	♥ 10:09am Jeff Golick: Hello, Rosners! (And thanks for keeping me reasonably accurate.)
	🦀 ♥ 10:18am doctorjazz: Saw Abrams when Blues Forever came out (which he played, was terrific), maybe hear it some time today?
	10:19am Listener Gregory: That was my kind of boogie-woogie! (No, spell-correct, I did not mean wookie.)
	10:21am alanr: Tuning in from my gym...trying to coordinate my movements with this sense of open time
	♥ 10:22am Jeff Golick: Yo, @alanr!
	♥ 10:27am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff and OUTies
	♥ 10:28am Jeff Golick: Hey, great to see you, @coelacanth∅!
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): good now, whenever you may be, Jeff, folx, all!
	10:41am Stork: This is reanngin’ me ribosomes.
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): this is the best sound to greet me today
	🦀 ♥ 10:42am hyde: this is a fantastic show!
	♥ 10:44am Jeff Golick: Howdy, @Mx. Baba Bee! All praises to Muhal Richard Abrams, source of some of favorite music of all time.
	🦀 ♥ 10:47am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): I will definately need to go back into the archives to catch the sounds I missed earlier. I was shooing a little frog out of my house.
	♥ 10:48am TDK60: Mx BabaBeekins! Not every day one gets to help an amphibian on their way!
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am hyde: when i lived in my Woodstock cabin, i once found a dessicated tree frog under my bed
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am Listener Gregory: Very nice setting for Fred Anderson here.
	🦀 ♥ 10:51am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): TDK60, hi! It was so cute and full of LIFE! ANd it looks like you've been partaking in some life lately, with all those shows. How cool!
	♥ 10:51am Jeff Golick: @Mx. Baba Bee, was he singing "Hello, my honey, hello, my baby"?
	🦀 ♥ 10:52am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): oh, and TDK60kins, you are, indeed, a kindred spirit, I was just so sleepy still… :-)
	♥ 10:52am Jeff Golick: (or she or e, I should add).
	🦀 ♥ 10:52am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Jeff: ha ha! I had a partner who I swear was just like that frog!!
	🦀 ♥ 10:53am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Jeff: right! much appreciated. I didn't find out, I was too busy trying not to squash the wee thing
	🦀 ♥ 10:55am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): and happy birthday, Muhal Richard Abrams, with extra thanks to your mother who labored on this day in 1930. A whole other world back then…
	🦀 ♥ 10:58am Listener Gregory: I think we should spend less time trying to discover the gender of frogs and more trying to understand their dreams and aspirations. Don't @ me!
	10:59am rw: I could look it up and should probably know, but was Cecil Taylor part of the AACM? All this washy piano is making me wonder about the lineage.
	🦀 ♥ 11:03am chresti: Morning Jeff and d:OUTers! MX BABA BEEKINS!
	♥ 11:05am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @chresti!
	♥ 11:06am Jeff Golick: @rw: no, I don't think Cecil Taylor was officially part of the AACM. Though he did record with the Art Ensemble at one point.
	♥ 11:07am Jeff Golick: Hmmm...AACM piano players...Amina Claudine Myers...uhh...
	♥ 11:09am TDK60: I think Cecil T was NYC-living, and AACM Chicago. Right? May explain.
	♥ 11:10am TDK60: \\// Hola chresti of Rancho San G.
	♥ 11:13am Jeff Golick: Yeah, @TDK60, though as I forgot to mention last set break, Abrams came to NYC in the mid-70s, and helped set up an AACM chapter in the city then. CT was teaching at Antioch (and perhaps somewhere else) in the 70s...I think? He doesn't really show up in the lofts.
	🦀 ♥ 11:14am DJpeterDE: Thinking about all the Muhal in my collection now, it's funny to reflect back on the first CD (still maybe my favorite): Hearinga Suite (Black Saint, rec. 1989). Back then I had to think carefully about what to spend my limited $ on, I read all the Downbeat reviews and had to assess whether I trusted the reviewer's assessment, etc. So for some reason the dB review of "Hearinga" convinced me to purchase it, enough so that it I asked a friend traveling to Washington DC to look for it at Tower Records.
	🦀 ♥ 11:14am chresti: \\// Hola TDK60 of NY City.
	♥ 11:15am Jeff Golick: I think Hearinga was my first MRA CD as well, based largely (iirc) on the Village Voice best of the 80s poll results.
	🦀 ♥ 11:15am DJpeterDE: re: Cecil Taylor at Antioch, there is a great account of that period in the Jemeel Moondoc/Muntu collection from No Business: nobusinessrecords.bandcamp.com...
	🦀 ♥ 11:17am DJpeterDE: @Jeff maybe I saw not just the review but the year-end poll placement, too. But I remember (and can visualize) the review itself very clearly and even remember passages of it (the way it described "Oldfotalk"
	11:17am WM: The MRA album I'm most familiar with is Levels and Degrees of Light which I owned on vinyl. I especially liked the Bird Song which took up most of the second side (although I could do without the opening poetry reading). Also I saw Patti Smith live once before too, around 1979/1980, I think, at a place called the Palladium. Richard Hell was the opening act,
	🦀 ♥ 11:17am Listener Gregory: I hate to leave in the middle of this, but the gorgeous weather is drawing me to get out of the house, drive to the country, and wish all the cows a happy Mooohal birthday. Thanks, Jeff. I learned a lot from this.
	11:19am rw: Huh... I remember buying CDs on Black Saint just because I trusted the label. Of course my funds were pretty limited back then too. My first MRA was probably Fanfare for the Warriors, recommended by a friend from punk rock.
	♥ 11:20am Jeff Golick: Bye, @LG! Say how to the cows for me. I hope they like puns.
	11:21am rw: Later LG! Say hey to the cows for us.
	♥ 11:21am Jeff Golick: Say HI to the cows. Or say how now, brown cow.
	🦀 ♥ 11:25am DJpeterDE: @RW I believe "Hearinga" was also the first Black Saint CD in my collection (I probably had only a few of their LPs)
	11:27am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...fiddling with convo on fb about whether Boowie & Lennon & Ginsberg et all were actually heroes or creeps - when I could be reading the Comments here & actually learning things...
	11:28am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or there could be another circle jerk about - What Is Jazz - ?!?!...
	♥ 11:29am Jeff Golick: When there was a jazz blogging community (later aughts), an early discussion focused on recentering the conversation on "1980s jazz," i.e., not the Wynton stuff. The D:O contribution to that convo was Muhal Richard Abrams.
	♥ 11:29am Jeff Golick: @RRN63: I think Muhal Richard Abrams explicitly refused the "jazz" label.
	11:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Right.
	🦀 ♥ 11:31am Stork: @JG: As did so many others in his generation. "Various forms of improvisation" did them just fine.
	11:32am rw: I ❤️ Jazz
	♥ 11:32am Jeff Golick: Also the very deliberate naming of the Assoc. for the Advancement of CREATIVE Musicians.
	🦀 ♥ 11:33am doctorjazz: Enjoy, LG. That Village Voice review sounds familiar-could be how I got Hearinga. Looking through the MHA LPs, found a double of Room From Within...
	🦀 ♥ 11:35am doctorjazz: Those Black Saint LPs had the prettiest spines...
	♥ 11:35am Jeff Golick: View from Within (I presume) is a good'un.
	🦀 ♥ 11:35am Stork: There is almost no Muhal-overlap whatsoever between the tracks, and even between the albums played on this show, and those I got planned for the Club. It's a whole new MRA buffet awaitin' at The Stork - top 'o the hour: www.wfmu.org...
	🦀 ♥ 11:37am doctorjazz: Correction, View From Within, indeed. Great band on it (Stanton David, John Purcell, Marty Ehrlich, more...
	🦀 ♥ 11:38am Stork: This is just beautiful! You're right, JG, it's impossible to really characterize Muhal's piano playing.
	🦀 ♥ 11:38am doctorjazz: So nice, I bought it twice 😜
	11:39am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I was getting Stravinsky maybe on that one...
	♥ 11:40am alanr: thank you, Muhal, for your life's work, not just your essential role in Chicago's new music community, but for providing so much material so Jeff can program such an inspirational program today.
	11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: .../ a Shostakovich kind of lovely light thru violently shattered ruins...
	🦀 ♥ 11:41am hyde: i only have 4 Abrams LP's. (easy to find when everything's alphabetical!). Levels and Degrees of Light, Colors in thirty third, Rejoicing with the Light and Things to Come from those Now Gone. All good!
	🦀 ♥ 11:42am hyde: i thought i had that Spiral live record too, though
	11:42am rw: Yeah, I was thinking at the beginning of the show that I might get tired of three hours of MRH, but so far it's more the opposite.
	🦀 ♥ 11:43am Stork: Hear hear, alanr! There's a lovely interview with Muhal and Roscoe Mitchell here which gives you an idea of the graciousness and modesty (of both men, really) that Jeff was alluding to in the first hour: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 11:43am Jeff Golick: It's really incalculable how much tremendous creativity and music Muhal Richard Abrams has helped midwife into the world.
	♥ 11:44am Jeff Golick: @rw, y'know, I wasn't sure until we were halfway through that I was gonna go all-Muhal. Glad you stuck around!
	♥ 11:45am Jeff Golick: Thanks for that link, @Stork!
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am doctorjazz: Ahhhh.....
	11:47am rw: Ditto the Dr.
	🦀 ♥ 11:47am Stork: Oh, yeah!! Whadda rekkid!!
	♥ 11:47am Andrew in Toronto: @Stork Thanks for the link!
	🦀 ♥ 11:48am doctorjazz: Play them funky blues, Muhal!
	11:48am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...beacuse Jazz has to have Blues in it ...Oh.
	♥ 11:48am alanr: @stork thank you for the link. definitely will check it out...along with your show....soon, as usual.
	♥ 11:48am Jeff Golick: Apologies to @Stork for busting out of my duo/solo confines.
	♥ 11:50am Jeff Golick: I think Abrams was the cover artist, too, on this and other Black Saint releases.
	🦀 ♥ 11:51am DJpeterDE: Even when MRA doesn't play the blues he plays the blues
	♥ 11:52am Andrew in Toronto: Thanks for another great show Jeff!!
	♥ 11:52am TDK60: Interesting LP covers. Love this blues cut. Was just thinking, free "jazz"ers had the memory of earlier sounds -back to boogie-woogie, blues, ragtime, back to Congo Square. Thanks Jeff!
	🦀 ♥ 11:53am doctorjazz: Great show, Jeff, thanks!
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am hyde: thank you!
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am listener james from westwood: Lovely show; thanks!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:56am Stork: That were Jean-Paul Bourelly on the git-box. Thanks, Jeff! Destination Out(Standing!!!)
	🦀 ♥ 11:56am WR: I thought I heard you say at the start that it wasn't all going to be MRA. Glad that either I misheard or the program otherwise took its course. Thank you.
	♥ 11:56am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff!
	11:56am rw: TYDJJG!! And MRH!! Happy Birthday!
	11:57am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What a range. Wanna play BoogieWoogie keys before I die but it's not looking good... ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ! ~
	11:57am rw: Sorry, I mean MRA!!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am DJpeterDE: thanks everybody, see you next week
	🦀 ♥ 11:59am chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	♥ 12:04pm Jeff Golick: Hoo-whee, do I enjoy spending this time with you all: @hyde, @ljfw, @Stork, @WR, @coel, @rw, @RRN63, @DJpeterDE, @chresti, @doctorjazz, @TDK60, @Andrew in Toronto, @alar, and everyone stopped by to drop an ear.

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September 19, 2021: Muhal Richard Abrams birthday broadcast.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:19 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams birthday celebration.
Muhal Richard Abrams	Part 1 "Part 1" by "Muhal Richard Abrams"	Vision Towards Essence	Pi Recordings	1998/2007		0:07:20 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Blue Monk "Blue Monk" by "Muhal Richard Abrams"	Interpretations of Monk, Vol. 1	Koch Jazz	1997		0:28:16 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton & Muhal Richard Abrams	Maple Leaf Rag	Duets 1976	Arista Records	1976		0:35:45 (Pop-up)
Anthony Braxton & Muhal Richard Abrams	Opus 62	Duets 1976	Arista Records	1976		0:39:10 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	The Visibility of Thought	The Visibility of Thought	Mutable Music	2001		0:52:12 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"					0:57:22 (Pop-up)
Leroy Jenkins feat. Muhal Richard Abrasms	The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost	Lifelong Ambisions	Black Saint	1977		1:05:21 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams with Amina Claudine Myers	Down the Street from the Gene Ammons Public School	Duet	Black Saint	1981		1:12:26 (Pop-up)
Roscoe Mitchell & Muhal Richard Abrams	Ode to the Imagination (Duet 1)	Duets and Solos	Black Saint	1990		1:17:21 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams and Malachi Favors	Panorama	Sightsong	Black Saint	1976		1:27:41 (Pop-up)
Hamiet Bluiett & Muhal Richard Abrams	Saying Something for All	Saying Something for All	Just a Memory	1977/1998		1:33:40 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams with Fred Anderson	Focus, ThruTime... Time (Part 4)	SoundDance	Pi Recordings	2009		1:41:31 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: John White	Autumn Countdown Machine					1:56:34 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	D Song "D Song" by "Muhal Richard Abrams"	Spiral: Live At Montreux 1978	Novus/Arista	1978	(or possibly "B Song")	2:04:32 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Part 3 "Part 3" by "Muhal Richard Abrams"	Vision Towards Essence	Pi Recordings	1998/2007		2:19:50 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Peace on You	Afrisong	Whynot/Trio	1975		2:38:27 (Pop-up)
Muhal Richard Abrams	Blues Forever	Blues Forever	Black Saint	1982		2:46:10 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		2:54:56 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00am DJpeterDE: Out is coming
	🦀 ♥ 9:00am hyde: hello!
	🦀 ♥ 9:01am duke: OUTward bound
	♥ 9:01am Jeff Golick: @DJpeterDE! @hyde! Big hellos!
	♥ 9:01am Andrew in Toronto: Hi there Jeff and all other listeners.
	♥ 9:02am Jeff Golick: @duke! Where we're going, we don't need...staves? Greetings, @Andrew in Toronto!
	9:02am Listener Gregory: I’ve got a busy day, so I started a few minutes early on my own. Hope that’s ok. Good morning, everyone:
	9:06am Stork: Rah-rah rarin’ ta go!!
	9:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo Hallo. Buzzed to bee hear.
	♥ 9:07am TDK60: Hi Jeff.
	♥ 9:09am Jeff Golick: @Listener Gregory - good morning; I'll try to catch up! @Stork! @Revolution Rabbit Nov63! @TDK60! The hits keep coming...
	🦀 ♥ 9:10am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all! Feels like a tiny bit of autumn out there!
	♥ 9:12am TDK60: Going to see Patti Smith tonight in Central Park. Last night, I saw Afrobeaters, Antibalas in the same spot!
	♥ 9:13am Jeff Golick: @listener james from westwood, welcome! Yes, detecting a fall-like undertaste.
	♥ 9:13am Jeff Golick: Zowie, @TDK60, fantastic outings!
	🦀 ♥ 9:16am fred: Greetings Jeff and all. I'm not worthy and I don't know
	🦀 ♥ 9:17am Listener Gregory: When I started listening to this music, Abrams somehow never really came to my attention. I began to read his name long before I ever heard anything of his. So, my Abrams music collection is pretty pitiful.
	9:18am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It is Summer until Wednesday 22nd Sept. @ 15:22 EDT in the Northern Hemisphere ...no need to rush these things man !...
	9:19am WM: @TKD60: I'm going to hear Patti Smith in Central Park tonight too. I'll be wearing an MC5 tee shirt. Say hello if you see me.
	9:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TDK60 way kewl.
	♥ 9:19am Jeff Golick: @fred! Your worthiness!
	♥ 9:20am Jeff Golick: @WM, greetings!
	🦀 ♥ 9:20am WR: Thank you for the Abrams celebration.
	♥ 9:21am Jeff Golick: @WR, my pleasure! And a pleasure to see you. Note that the celebration will continue on the Drummer stream with Stork's show, also featuring MRA!
	9:22am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Sometimes I think of how Jazz enthusiasts have always been welcoming - & Rawk people can be clique-ish & exclusive. Which is sort of the reverse of their historical reputations.
	9:23am WM: And I went to hear the Count Basie Orchestra at Birdland two nights ago. I'm one of the most fortunate guys in JC/NYC.
	♥ 9:24am TDK60: WM, I'll say hello if I see the MC5 shirt.
	♥ 9:24am Jeff Golick: I suppose that's true, @RRN63, though the generational scuffles in jazz have been pretty strongly fought.
	♥ 9:25am Jeff Golick: Basie, @WM! Was the Antibalas show well attended?
	♥ 9:27am TDK60: Jeff, yes medium-to-big crowd at Antibalas. Also saw Valerie June there (Summerstage) recently. WM, make sure to bring your vax card to get in..
	9:27am rw: Good morning! Woke up early.
	9:28am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: JeffG yeah - in my time there was the YoungLions straight headers vs. the outties I suppose. But I mean my personal experience seeing shows & I guess now online. This isn't a lot of experience of course...
	9:29am rw: The ins and outs of life...
	♥ 9:30am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @rw!
	🦀 ♥ 9:30am doctorjazz: Go, Outies.!
	9:30am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: *A-headers...
	🦀 ♥ 9:31am doctorjazz: Hi, Outies! (Meant to say...)
	9:32am Stork: Just to give yo Muhal-heads a little Muhal-heads-up: the first hour of Clubbo Storkofatzerino will be non-MUhal music to make us hungry- then we gorge! Yes gorge on a couple hors or so of MRA tastiness.
	♥ 9:35am Jeff Golick: Hiya, @doctorjazz!
	🦀 ♥ 9:37am doctorjazz: Got to hear Abrams once, with his big band.. Patti Smith, huh? Tempting (but tomorrow is a school day...
	9:38am DJpeterDE: So MRA ≠ Mra … or…
	🦀 ♥ 9:38am Listener Gregory: Hubie Blake used to insist that ragtime should not be played too fast. I'm afraid that this performance is not abiding by that... to its detriment, IMHO.
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am doctorjazz: This is great (the Joplin-. Reminds me off what the group Air was doing for a while.
	♥ 9:39am TDK60: I saw Patti Smith about 5 years ago at Lincoln Center. Billed as acoustic solo and poetry. When she took the stage she said she'd changed her mind and brought her electric band. I said to myself, "Oh well, suppose I'll stay..."
	🦀 ♥ 9:39am hyde: i like this record lot.
	♥ 9:40am Jeff Golick: Saw Abrams once, too, @doc. At the midtown church that hosted most of the AACM in NY events.
	♥ 9:41am Jeff Golick: @DJpeterDE, I was concerned about a different MRA confusion; the less about that, the better. We've already lost ICP.
	♥ 9:42am Jeff Golick: @LG: I hear you. I'm not 100% sure what they were after with the Joplin, but I doubt it was verisimilitude.
	9:43am DJpeterDE: Haha, true! If by “lose” you mean Google sends you one way and not the other
	♥ 9:44am Jeff Golick: I'm just realizing that the REMARKABLE and ESSENTIAL Braxton discography site restructures.net is offline. Anyone know what happened there?
	9:44am rw: Was just thinking about the speed of that Maple Leaf Rag. I can't decide if I like it on the speedier side. On the one hand, it feels way too rushed, but on the other hand, the speed pushes it into something else. Of course Jeff just put it way more succinctly. Thanks Jeff!
	9:44am DJpeterDE: Been wondering about Restructures meself
	9:45am Doug Schulkind: Good Muhning.
	♥ 9:46am Jeff Golick: Mu-wah, @Doug!
	9:46am rw: The speed of Opus 62 feels... just right.
	🦀 ♥ 9:51am doctorjazz: Really like Opus 62!
	10:00am The Rosners: Morning…. And happy birthday Muhal.
	10:03am The Rosners: Co-launched/founded Jeff.
	♥ 10:09am Jeff Golick: Hello, Rosners! (And thanks for keeping me reasonably accurate.)
	🦀 ♥ 10:18am doctorjazz: Saw Abrams when Blues Forever came out (which he played, was terrific), maybe hear it some time today?
	10:19am Listener Gregory: That was my kind of boogie-woogie! (No, spell-correct, I did not mean wookie.)
	10:21am alanr: Tuning in from my gym...trying to coordinate my movements with this sense of open time
	♥ 10:22am Jeff Golick: Yo, @alanr!
	♥ 10:27am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff and OUTies
	♥ 10:28am Jeff Golick: Hey, great to see you, @coelacanth∅!
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): good now, whenever you may be, Jeff, folx, all!
	10:41am Stork: This is reanngin’ me ribosomes.
	🦀 ♥ 10:41am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): this is the best sound to greet me today
	🦀 ♥ 10:42am hyde: this is a fantastic show!
	♥ 10:44am Jeff Golick: Howdy, @Mx. Baba Bee! All praises to Muhal Richard Abrams, source of some of favorite music of all time.
	🦀 ♥ 10:47am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): I will definately need to go back into the archives to catch the sounds I missed earlier. I was shooing a little frog out of my house.
	♥ 10:48am TDK60: Mx BabaBeekins! Not every day one gets to help an amphibian on their way!
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am hyde: when i lived in my Woodstock cabin, i once found a dessicated tree frog under my bed
	🦀 ♥ 10:49am Listener Gregory: Very nice setting for Fred Anderson here.
	🦀 ♥ 10:51am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): TDK60, hi! It was so cute and full of LIFE! ANd it looks like you've been partaking in some life lately, with all those shows. How cool!
	♥ 10:51am Jeff Golick: @Mx. Baba Bee, was he singing "Hello, my honey, hello, my baby"?
	🦀 ♥ 10:52am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): oh, and TDK60kins, you are, indeed, a kindred spirit, I was just so sleepy still… :-)
	♥ 10:52am Jeff Golick: (or she or e, I should add).
	🦀 ♥ 10:52am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Jeff: ha ha! I had a partner who I swear was just like that frog!!
	🦀 ♥ 10:53am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Jeff: right! much appreciated. I didn't find out, I was too busy trying not to squash the wee thing
	🦀 ♥ 10:55am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): and happy birthday, Muhal Richard Abrams, with extra thanks to your mother who labored on this day in 1930. A whole other world back then…
	🦀 ♥ 10:58am Listener Gregory: I think we should spend less time trying to discover the gender of frogs and more trying to understand their dreams and aspirations. Don't @ me!
	10:59am rw: I could look it up and should probably know, but was Cecil Taylor part of the AACM? All this washy piano is making me wonder about the lineage.
	🦀 ♥ 11:03am chresti: Morning Jeff and d:OUTers! MX BABA BEEKINS!
	♥ 11:05am Jeff Golick: Good morning, @chresti!
	♥ 11:06am Jeff Golick: @rw: no, I don't think Cecil Taylor was officially part of the AACM. Though he did record with the Art Ensemble at one point.
	♥ 11:07am Jeff Golick: Hmmm...AACM piano players...Amina Claudine Myers...uhh...
	♥ 11:09am TDK60: I think Cecil T was NYC-living, and AACM Chicago. Right? May explain.
	♥ 11:10am TDK60: \\// Hola chresti of Rancho San G.
	♥ 11:13am Jeff Golick: Yeah, @TDK60, though as I forgot to mention last set break, Abrams came to NYC in the mid-70s, and helped set up an AACM chapter in the city then. CT was teaching at Antioch (and perhaps somewhere else) in the 70s...I think? He doesn't really show up in the lofts.
	🦀 ♥ 11:14am DJpeterDE: Thinking about all the Muhal in my collection now, it's funny to reflect back on the first CD (still maybe my favorite): Hearinga Suite (Black Saint, rec. 1989). Back then I had to think carefully about what to spend my limited $ on, I read all the Downbeat reviews and had to assess whether I trusted the reviewer's assessment, etc. So for some reason the dB review of "Hearinga" convinced me to purchase it, enough so that it I asked a friend traveling to Washington DC to look for it at Tower Records.
	🦀 ♥ 11:14am chresti: \\// Hola TDK60 of NY City.
	♥ 11:15am Jeff Golick: I think Hearinga was my first MRA CD as well, based largely (iirc) on the Village Voice best of the 80s poll results.
	🦀 ♥ 11:15am DJpeterDE: re: Cecil Taylor at Antioch, there is a great account of that period in the Jemeel Moondoc/Muntu collection from No Business: nobusinessrecords.bandcamp.com...
	🦀 ♥ 11:17am DJpeterDE: @Jeff maybe I saw not just the review but the year-end poll placement, too. But I remember (and can visualize) the review itself very clearly and even remember passages of it (the way it described "Oldfotalk"
	11:17am WM: The MRA album I'm most familiar with is Levels and Degrees of Light which I owned on vinyl. I especially liked the Bird Song which took up most of the second side (although I could do without the opening poetry reading). Also I saw Patti Smith live once before too, around 1979/1980, I think, at a place called the Palladium. Richard Hell was the opening act,
	🦀 ♥ 11:17am Listener Gregory: I hate to leave in the middle of this, but the gorgeous weather is drawing me to get out of the house, drive to the country, and wish all the cows a happy Mooohal birthday. Thanks, Jeff. I learned a lot from this.
	11:19am rw: Huh... I remember buying CDs on Black Saint just because I trusted the label. Of course my funds were pretty limited back then too. My first MRA was probably Fanfare for the Warriors, recommended by a friend from punk rock.
	♥ 11:20am Jeff Golick: Bye, @LG! Say how to the cows for me. I hope they like puns.
	11:21am rw: Later LG! Say hey to the cows for us.
	♥ 11:21am Jeff Golick: Say HI to the cows. Or say how now, brown cow.
	🦀 ♥ 11:25am DJpeterDE: @RW I believe "Hearinga" was also the first Black Saint CD in my collection (I probably had only a few of their LPs)
	11:27am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...fiddling with convo on fb about whether Boowie & Lennon & Ginsberg et all were actually heroes or creeps - when I could be reading the Comments here & actually learning things...
	11:28am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or there could be another circle jerk about - What Is Jazz - ?!?!...
	♥ 11:29am Jeff Golick: When there was a jazz blogging community (later aughts), an early discussion focused on recentering the conversation on "1980s jazz," i.e., not the Wynton stuff. The D:O contribution to that convo was Muhal Richard Abrams.
	♥ 11:29am Jeff Golick: @RRN63: I think Muhal Richard Abrams explicitly refused the "jazz" label.
	11:31am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Right.
	🦀 ♥ 11:31am Stork: @JG: As did so many others in his generation. "Various forms of improvisation" did them just fine.
	11:32am rw: I ❤️ Jazz
	♥ 11:32am Jeff Golick: Also the very deliberate naming of the Assoc. for the Advancement of CREATIVE Musicians.
	🦀 ♥ 11:33am doctorjazz: Enjoy, LG. That Village Voice review sounds familiar-could be how I got Hearinga. Looking through the MHA LPs, found a double of Room From Within...
	🦀 ♥ 11:35am doctorjazz: Those Black Saint LPs had the prettiest spines...
	♥ 11:35am Jeff Golick: View from Within (I presume) is a good'un.
	🦀 ♥ 11:35am Stork: There is almost no Muhal-overlap whatsoever between the tracks, and even between the albums played on this show, and those I got planned for the Club. It's a whole new MRA buffet awaitin' at The Stork - top 'o the hour: www.wfmu.org...
	🦀 ♥ 11:37am doctorjazz: Correction, View From Within, indeed. Great band on it (Stanton David, John Purcell, Marty Ehrlich, more...
	🦀 ♥ 11:38am Stork: This is just beautiful! You're right, JG, it's impossible to really characterize Muhal's piano playing.
	🦀 ♥ 11:38am doctorjazz: So nice, I bought it twice 😜
	11:39am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I was getting Stravinsky maybe on that one...
	♥ 11:40am alanr: thank you, Muhal, for your life's work, not just your essential role in Chicago's new music community, but for providing so much material so Jeff can program such an inspirational program today.
	11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: .../ a Shostakovich kind of lovely light thru violently shattered ruins...
	🦀 ♥ 11:41am hyde: i only have 4 Abrams LP's. (easy to find when everything's alphabetical!). Levels and Degrees of Light, Colors in thirty third, Rejoicing with the Light and Things to Come from those Now Gone. All good!
	🦀 ♥ 11:42am hyde: i thought i had that Spiral live record too, though
	11:42am rw: Yeah, I was thinking at the beginning of the show that I might get tired of three hours of MRH, but so far it's more the opposite.
	🦀 ♥ 11:43am Stork: Hear hear, alanr! There's a lovely interview with Muhal and Roscoe Mitchell here which gives you an idea of the graciousness and modesty (of both men, really) that Jeff was alluding to in the first hour: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 11:43am Jeff Golick: It's really incalculable how much tremendous creativity and music Muhal Richard Abrams has helped midwife into the world.
	♥ 11:44am Jeff Golick: @rw, y'know, I wasn't sure until we were halfway through that I was gonna go all-Muhal. Glad you stuck around!
	♥ 11:45am Jeff Golick: Thanks for that link, @Stork!
	🦀 ♥ 11:46am doctorjazz: Ahhhh.....
	11:47am rw: Ditto the Dr.
	🦀 ♥ 11:47am Stork: Oh, yeah!! Whadda rekkid!!
	♥ 11:47am Andrew in Toronto: @Stork Thanks for the link!
	🦀 ♥ 11:48am doctorjazz: Play them funky blues, Muhal!
	11:48am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...beacuse Jazz has to have Blues in it ...Oh.
	♥ 11:48am alanr: @stork thank you for the link. definitely will check it out...along with your show....soon, as usual.
	♥ 11:48am Jeff Golick: Apologies to @Stork for busting out of my duo/solo confines.
	♥ 11:50am Jeff Golick: I think Abrams was the cover artist, too, on this and other Black Saint releases.
	🦀 ♥ 11:51am DJpeterDE: Even when MRA doesn't play the blues he plays the blues
	♥ 11:52am Andrew in Toronto: Thanks for another great show Jeff!!
	♥ 11:52am TDK60: Interesting LP covers. Love this blues cut. Was just thinking, free "jazz"ers had the memory of earlier sounds -back to boogie-woogie, blues, ragtime, back to Congo Square. Thanks Jeff!
	🦀 ♥ 11:53am doctorjazz: Great show, Jeff, thanks!
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am hyde: thank you!
	🦀 ♥ 11:55am listener james from westwood: Lovely show; thanks!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:56am Stork: That were Jean-Paul Bourelly on the git-box. Thanks, Jeff! Destination Out(Standing!!!)
	🦀 ♥ 11:56am WR: I thought I heard you say at the start that it wasn't all going to be MRA. Glad that either I misheard or the program otherwise took its course. Thank you.
	♥ 11:56am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff!
	11:56am rw: TYDJJG!! And MRH!! Happy Birthday!
	11:57am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: What a range. Wanna play BoogieWoogie keys before I die but it's not looking good... ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ! ~
	11:57am rw: Sorry, I mean MRA!!!
	🦀 ♥ 11:58am DJpeterDE: thanks everybody, see you next week
	🦀 ♥ 11:59am chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	♥ 12:04pm Jeff Golick: Hoo-whee, do I enjoy spending this time with you all: @hyde, @ljfw, @Stork, @WR, @coel, @rw, @RRN63, @DJpeterDE, @chresti, @doctorjazz, @TDK60, @Andrew in Toronto, @alar, and everyone stopped by to drop an ear.

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