WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 28, 2020

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Technumerators! Mark! Missed you so much during your break! So much so that I'm pretty sure next scheduled time you're out I expect I'll be taking a rest from the show for a week too!
	6:01pm Webhamster Henry: It's Mark's year end review!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all, and heave-ho to two-oh-two-oh!
	6:02pm northguineahills: off for food in a bit, will be listening en mi coche!
	6:04pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and techs.
	6:07pm melinda: hi folks!
	6:08pm -Ken: Hi everybody
	6:08pm Rand al'Thor: Hello, all!
	6:09pm HyperDose: I trust the party girls have been locked away for the evening? This is a PG show Ken...
	6:10pm northguineahills: wfmu has always been a light R, hard R on the alternative streams ;p
	6:10pm -Ken: Actually I am interviewing one of The Party Girls, right here on Techtonic, on Feb 8th
	6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: Party girls, the hardest working people in show biz.
	6:13pm HyperDose: Ah so that's where the donations go, Ken's top secret WFMU artificial intelligence think tank!
	6:14pm Carmichael: Shoshone Lonstein?
	6:14pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! All!
	6:14pm Webhamster Henry: Don't Miss ..... the Techtonic Girls.
	6:15pm -Ken: I dont think either term really nails it - both Limbic Capitalism and Surveillance Capitalism dont quite describe what's going on, imo
	6:15pm melinda: Darn tootin', it's wrong
	6:17pm -Ken: There is a great sendup of Silicon Valley Billionaire idiocy in the new Charlie Brooker 2020 Year end wrapup on Netflix.. called Death to 2020. It also has a hilarious takedown of "karens."
	6:17pm ultradamno: I dare not disagree.
	6:17pm a polished polish lady: Dance like only the government is watching
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: Hi @Ken, hi everyone, thanks for joining!
	6:19pm Mark Hurst: @Ken agreed - we need multiple metaphors to begin to wrap our minds around what's happening. It's a multi-headed hydra... but Zuboff and Courtwright have done a great job in sketching out some of the contours..
	6:19pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Hi Mark, Nancy and Sluggo was my favourite comic book when I was a kid. :-))
	6:19pm ed: Mark should list the books here on the comments
	6:20pm melinda: I still like my term 'surveillance biscuits' as a replacement for 'cookies', even if it's not the most accurate.
	6:20pm HyperDose: nervously looks at wrist
	6:20pm Chuck: Thoroughly enjoying the show! Definitely gonna have to get into some of these books
	6:21pm ed: Oh wait. I just updated the playlist. Ha!
	6:23pm Rand al'Thor: Hold on, I need to update the firmware on my sneakers.
	6:24pm Bas NL: Smelly sneakers alert!
	6:24pm Chuck: Don't bother- they'll still "run" on the older firmware ;)
	6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Apple had an iPod connected Nike sneaker in the primordial iPod/iPhone days: www.apple.com...
	6:25pm watchpocket: I like the term "stealth surveillance" - You can't see it, hear it or smell it. Try getting your friends to use Signal Private Messenger. You'll either get a blank stare or an "I've got nothing to hide" or, if your lucky, a "why?"
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @Chuck thanks! These books are all well worth reading.
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @watchpocket my guest next week will talk more about that very idea - the vague feeling that you're being watched, all the time.
	6:31pm ed: Ferrets! Um...anyone a bit concerned that the little mutating buggers are sold nationwide at Petco and other big pet store chains? Eeek!
	6:34pm HyperDose: QR code viruses, that's a terrifying thought
	6:35pm watchpocket: @Mark That feeling is no loner an irrational one. And it just reminded me that my webcam (which I keep unplugged when I'm not using it) was plugged-in just now.
	6:35pm P-90: That probably WAS the “scariest” six minutes, in a year with some scary stuff...
	6:35pm watchpocket: Erratum: No longer
	6:38pm Webhamster Henry: The COVID-19 genome is on the internet; I stuck it as musical material into my app Enumero.
	6:41pm tw2sheds: 1984 would have been a different book entirely if Orwell had realized people would stand in line to PAY FOR the cameras and microphones!
	6:42pm ultradamno: It would be nice if printer technology improved even a little.
	6:42pm Webhamster Henry: It's be nice if the ink didn't cost more than the printer!
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @tw2sheds Orwell tried to warn us. Now it's happening.
	6:43pm ultradamno: For sure.
	6:44pm ed: I bought the Death of the artist after listening to the show. Got about 30 pages into the book and had to put it aside. As an artist I was about to throw myself off a bridge after reading that much of the book.
	6:44pm goes211: @Webmaster Henry...I think Kodak actually gave away cameras at one point...the money was in the film and developing!
	6:45pm Webhamster Henry: @goes211 ... also known as the give-away-the-razor-make-em-buy-the-blades strategy.
	6:46pm goes211: YUP!
	6:47pm -Ken: Go DJ Paradox!
	6:47pm Webhamster Henry: It's be nice if the actual printers also didn't break all the time. And crimp and crunch reams of paper.
	6:48pm ultradamno: Ha! I was just thinking of razors as analogous to printer cartridges as items with an inexplicable price markup
	6:48pm ?: What was the name of the book you mentioned earlier about limbic? Love your show
	6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: Maybe a show in early 2021 can be about trends for the new year. I'm predicting AI-generated hot takes will become popular.
	6:49pm Webhamster Henry: "what the market will bear" -- Epson & HP (and probably others) won't allow you to use 3rd party inks.
	6:49pm tw2sheds: 1984 was about savvy governments using tech and propaganda, but ours still seem to be clueless.....
	6:49pm Folsom: I think rocket league is free on epic game store
	6:50pm -Ken: That was David Courtwright talking about "Limbic Capitalism." He wrote "The Age of Addiction"
	6:51pm tw2sheds: Is there a streaming service set up for/by artists? Why not? I'm sure there's lots of discouraging answers to this....
	6:51pm ?: Thanks Ken
	6:51pm Bas NL: Bought a razor today.. quick calculation.. 30000 youtube streams?
	6:51pm -Ken: Bring back "Breakout" - designed by Steve Jobs for Atari, pre-Apple
	6:52pm northguineahills: I know rocket league. Itt’s fun!
	6:52pm ignatatus666: Does WFMU have to pay artists or no because they are a not for profit?
	6:52pm Webhamster Henry: I'm in RewardMusic, set up buy some artists including Dweezil Zappa. Their idea is to get as much money to the artists as possible. Still, Bandcamp is pretty good, and people know to look there.
	6:53pm Bea: Among Us instead of recess!
	6:53pm Webhamster Henry: I'll just mention that my son has a visual novel game up on Steam that's a big hit in China.
	6:53pm Luisa24: Aren't video games highly addictive? Why are they okay in the Techtonic guide to technology but not social media, for instance? Curious.
	6:54pm -Ken: Yes WFMU pays artists via the PRO agencies. We spend over $20 grand a year on royalties. We pay ASCAP, BMI, Sesac and Soundexchange for rights and royalties. How much of our payments actually makes its way to artists is anybody's guess.
	6:54pm Rand al'Thor: I played a bit of Hades. It was okay.
	6:54pm listener james from westwood: I played a few boards of the 1993 Doom a few weeks back via the Archive.org emulator. Felt good just to blast sprites for a spell.
	6:54pm -Ken: Excellent point Luisa24
	6:55pm Ike: @LJfW, sounds good -- got a link?
	6:55pm listener james from westwood: BIG MONEY! BIG PRIZES!
	6:55pm ignatatus666: Thanks Ken I always wondered about that. What about the independent artists?
	6:56pm Bas NL: Games creators are well payed, aren't they? Something works there..
	6:57pm Rand al'Thor: Thanks for the show, Mark!
	6:58pm HyperDose: Thanks Mark, Ken, and guests. Very informative show!
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark & DJ Paradox.
	6:58pm P-90: Better Victory Dance music this time
	6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! I'll be hearing you again in the New Year!
	6:59pm melinda: I thought last week's music was fun
	6:59pm watchpocket: Great show, Mark, pulling these strands together. Thanks for all your important work.
	6:59pm melinda: thanks Mark!
	7:00pm Webhamster Henry: See you next year, Mark & Friends!
	7:00pm P-90: Thanks for another year of Techtonic, Mark. Happy New Year...
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Appreciate you sticking with me this year. Have a happy new year.
	7:01pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Mark!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 28, 2020

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December 28, 2020: Best of 2020: tech books and video games

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Tonight: The best tech books and video games of 2020

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The Video Games That Got Us Through 2020 (NYT, Dec 17, 2020)

Outtro tonight thanks to Duane and The Duane Train from December 16.

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Artist	Track	Album	Comments	Approx. start time
Mark discusses the best tech books and video games of 2020.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	David Courtwright, "Age of Addiction" excerpt		Techtonic from Feb 3, 2020	0:10:43 (Pop-up)
	Rana Foroohar, "Don't Be Evil" excerpt		Techtonic from Feb 24, 2020	0:16:32 (Pop-up)
	Toby Ord, "The Precipice" excerpt "Toby Ord, "The Precipice" excerpt"		Techtonic from Apr 20, 2020	0:26:45 (Pop-up)
	Steven Levy, "Facebook: The Inside Story" excerpt		Techtonic from May 25, 2020	0:35:41 (Pop-up)
	Elaine Kasket, "All the Ghosts in the Machine" excerpt		Techtonic from Aug 17, 2020	0:38:17 (Pop-up)
	William Deresiewicz, "The Death of the Artist" excerpt		Techtonic from Nov 2, 2020	0:41:21 (Pop-up)
	2020's best video games with DJ Paradox			0:44:49 (Pop-up)
JARC	Move On Up "Move On Up" by "JARC"		Thanks to the Duane Train, Dec 16 episode	0:55:09 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Technumerators! Mark! Missed you so much during your break! So much so that I'm pretty sure next scheduled time you're out I expect I'll be taking a rest from the show for a week too!
	6:01pm Webhamster Henry: It's Mark's year end review!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all, and heave-ho to two-oh-two-oh!
	6:02pm northguineahills: off for food in a bit, will be listening en mi coche!
	6:04pm Carmichael: Heya Mark and techs.
	6:07pm melinda: hi folks!
	6:08pm -Ken: Hi everybody
	6:08pm Rand al'Thor: Hello, all!
	6:09pm HyperDose: I trust the party girls have been locked away for the evening? This is a PG show Ken...
	6:10pm northguineahills: wfmu has always been a light R, hard R on the alternative streams ;p
	6:10pm -Ken: Actually I am interviewing one of The Party Girls, right here on Techtonic, on Feb 8th
	6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park: Party girls, the hardest working people in show biz.
	6:13pm HyperDose: Ah so that's where the donations go, Ken's top secret WFMU artificial intelligence think tank!
	6:14pm Carmichael: Shoshone Lonstein?
	6:14pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! All!
	6:14pm Webhamster Henry: Don't Miss ..... the Techtonic Girls.
	6:15pm -Ken: I dont think either term really nails it - both Limbic Capitalism and Surveillance Capitalism dont quite describe what's going on, imo
	6:15pm melinda: Darn tootin', it's wrong
	6:17pm -Ken: There is a great sendup of Silicon Valley Billionaire idiocy in the new Charlie Brooker 2020 Year end wrapup on Netflix.. called Death to 2020. It also has a hilarious takedown of "karens."
	6:17pm ultradamno: I dare not disagree.
	6:17pm a polished polish lady: Dance like only the government is watching
	6:18pm Mark Hurst: Hi @Ken, hi everyone, thanks for joining!
	6:19pm Mark Hurst: @Ken agreed - we need multiple metaphors to begin to wrap our minds around what's happening. It's a multi-headed hydra... but Zuboff and Courtwright have done a great job in sketching out some of the contours..
	6:19pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Hi Mark, Nancy and Sluggo was my favourite comic book when I was a kid. :-))
	6:19pm ed: Mark should list the books here on the comments
	6:20pm melinda: I still like my term 'surveillance biscuits' as a replacement for 'cookies', even if it's not the most accurate.
	6:20pm HyperDose: nervously looks at wrist
	6:20pm Chuck: Thoroughly enjoying the show! Definitely gonna have to get into some of these books
	6:21pm ed: Oh wait. I just updated the playlist. Ha!
	6:23pm Rand al'Thor: Hold on, I need to update the firmware on my sneakers.
	6:24pm Bas NL: Smelly sneakers alert!
	6:24pm Chuck: Don't bother- they'll still "run" on the older firmware ;)
	6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Apple had an iPod connected Nike sneaker in the primordial iPod/iPhone days: www.apple.com...
	6:25pm watchpocket: I like the term "stealth surveillance" - You can't see it, hear it or smell it. Try getting your friends to use Signal Private Messenger. You'll either get a blank stare or an "I've got nothing to hide" or, if your lucky, a "why?"
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @Chuck thanks! These books are all well worth reading.
	6:29pm Mark Hurst: @watchpocket my guest next week will talk more about that very idea - the vague feeling that you're being watched, all the time.
	6:31pm ed: Ferrets! Um...anyone a bit concerned that the little mutating buggers are sold nationwide at Petco and other big pet store chains? Eeek!
	6:34pm HyperDose: QR code viruses, that's a terrifying thought
	6:35pm watchpocket: @Mark That feeling is no loner an irrational one. And it just reminded me that my webcam (which I keep unplugged when I'm not using it) was plugged-in just now.
	6:35pm P-90: That probably WAS the “scariest” six minutes, in a year with some scary stuff...
	6:35pm watchpocket: Erratum: No longer
	6:38pm Webhamster Henry: The COVID-19 genome is on the internet; I stuck it as musical material into my app Enumero.
	6:41pm tw2sheds: 1984 would have been a different book entirely if Orwell had realized people would stand in line to PAY FOR the cameras and microphones!
	6:42pm ultradamno: It would be nice if printer technology improved even a little.
	6:42pm Webhamster Henry: It's be nice if the ink didn't cost more than the printer!
	6:43pm Mark Hurst: @tw2sheds Orwell tried to warn us. Now it's happening.
	6:43pm ultradamno: For sure.
	6:44pm ed: I bought the Death of the artist after listening to the show. Got about 30 pages into the book and had to put it aside. As an artist I was about to throw myself off a bridge after reading that much of the book.
	6:44pm goes211: @Webmaster Henry...I think Kodak actually gave away cameras at one point...the money was in the film and developing!
	6:45pm Webhamster Henry: @goes211 ... also known as the give-away-the-razor-make-em-buy-the-blades strategy.
	6:46pm goes211: YUP!
	6:47pm -Ken: Go DJ Paradox!
	6:47pm Webhamster Henry: It's be nice if the actual printers also didn't break all the time. And crimp and crunch reams of paper.
	6:48pm ultradamno: Ha! I was just thinking of razors as analogous to printer cartridges as items with an inexplicable price markup
	6:48pm ?: What was the name of the book you mentioned earlier about limbic? Love your show
	6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: Maybe a show in early 2021 can be about trends for the new year. I'm predicting AI-generated hot takes will become popular.
	6:49pm Webhamster Henry: "what the market will bear" -- Epson & HP (and probably others) won't allow you to use 3rd party inks.
	6:49pm tw2sheds: 1984 was about savvy governments using tech and propaganda, but ours still seem to be clueless.....
	6:49pm Folsom: I think rocket league is free on epic game store
	6:50pm -Ken: That was David Courtwright talking about "Limbic Capitalism." He wrote "The Age of Addiction"
	6:51pm tw2sheds: Is there a streaming service set up for/by artists? Why not? I'm sure there's lots of discouraging answers to this....
	6:51pm ?: Thanks Ken
	6:51pm Bas NL: Bought a razor today.. quick calculation.. 30000 youtube streams?
	6:51pm -Ken: Bring back "Breakout" - designed by Steve Jobs for Atari, pre-Apple
	6:52pm northguineahills: I know rocket league. Itt’s fun!
	6:52pm ignatatus666: Does WFMU have to pay artists or no because they are a not for profit?
	6:52pm Webhamster Henry: I'm in RewardMusic, set up buy some artists including Dweezil Zappa. Their idea is to get as much money to the artists as possible. Still, Bandcamp is pretty good, and people know to look there.
	6:53pm Bea: Among Us instead of recess!
	6:53pm Webhamster Henry: I'll just mention that my son has a visual novel game up on Steam that's a big hit in China.
	6:53pm Luisa24: Aren't video games highly addictive? Why are they okay in the Techtonic guide to technology but not social media, for instance? Curious.
	6:54pm -Ken: Yes WFMU pays artists via the PRO agencies. We spend over $20 grand a year on royalties. We pay ASCAP, BMI, Sesac and Soundexchange for rights and royalties. How much of our payments actually makes its way to artists is anybody's guess.
	6:54pm Rand al'Thor: I played a bit of Hades. It was okay.
	6:54pm listener james from westwood: I played a few boards of the 1993 Doom a few weeks back via the Archive.org emulator. Felt good just to blast sprites for a spell.
	6:54pm -Ken: Excellent point Luisa24
	6:55pm Ike: @LJfW, sounds good -- got a link?
	6:55pm listener james from westwood: BIG MONEY! BIG PRIZES!
	6:55pm ignatatus666: Thanks Ken I always wondered about that. What about the independent artists?
	6:56pm Bas NL: Games creators are well payed, aren't they? Something works there..
	6:57pm Rand al'Thor: Thanks for the show, Mark!
	6:58pm HyperDose: Thanks Mark, Ken, and guests. Very informative show!
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark & DJ Paradox.
	6:58pm P-90: Better Victory Dance music this time
	6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! I'll be hearing you again in the New Year!
	6:59pm melinda: I thought last week's music was fun
	6:59pm watchpocket: Great show, Mark, pulling these strands together. Thanks for all your important work.
	6:59pm melinda: thanks Mark!
	7:00pm Webhamster Henry: See you next year, Mark & Friends!
	7:00pm P-90: Thanks for another year of Techtonic, Mark. Happy New Year...
	7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Appreciate you sticking with me this year. Have a happy new year.
	7:01pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Mark!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 28, 2020

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