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Options October 26, 2020: Station Manager Ken Fills in: Interview with Author & Journalist Matt Taibbi

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Handy Haversack:

Hey there Staysh and all the Techyon particles!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Techtonneths!
  6:01pm johnzo:

another ken fill in?! cool
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Bas NL:

Techtonikens!
  6:01pm howard in nyc:

SM Ken and Matt Taibbi two of my favorite public people
Avatar 6:03pm dale:

matt taibbi was on channel 11 or 9 news back in the 1980s?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm melinda:

Hi Staysh and Matt! Looking forward to this.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm melinda:

Skeptech was fun.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Kat in Chicago:

Skeptech was great!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Nate K.:

Really looking forward to this, despite just noticing it on the Instagram about 20 minutes ago!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Ike:

I often disagree w/Matt Taibbi, but I follow him on Twitter anyway, just to get an occasional dose of contrarianism and provocation.
Avatar 6:06pm Cp304:

good evening peoples
Avatar 6:06pm Ole 'Rick:

HI KEN'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm ultradamno:

@Nate That how Mark likes people to get program details :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm xtrakrispy:

I started reading Matt Taibbi in The New York Press. I miss that paper.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm melinda:

Matt's Useful Idiots podcast w/Katie Halper had a hilarious discussion of the Toobin incident.
Avatar 6:08pm dale:

you ALWAYS put tape over your camera before you masturbate in front of the pooter. but let alexa hear it if you're kinky.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm iiibeat:

If I share a photo of my jock-strap . . Is that considered as "showing my support"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm ultradamno:

"Election simulation"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Fuzzy:

...when suddenly I had to masturbate. WTF? Sounds like he has bigger problem than tech illiteracy.
  6:11pm bobo:

Send in the clown.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm PaulRobeson1920:

Goood Evning Ya’ll!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm iiibeat:

Humans will anthropomorphize . . AI will not.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm PaulRobeson1920:

Happpy StinKinnn Birthday Dale!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Ken and Skep-children.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm -Ken:

Hello everybody~!
Avatar 6:12pm Ole 'Rick:

GOOD EVENIN' PAUL
Avatar 6:12pm dale:

i confused him with mike taibbi - my bad.
Avatar 6:12pm northguineahills:

what, no trebuchet? Barbarians!....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Deborah:

Listening.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Hi Staysh! Moral of the story: Keep your barndoor shut!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm ultradamno:

Did I just hear Andrew Sullivan and Journalist within minutes of each other?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Fuzzy:

"...but I DID click all the pictures or fire hydrants -- what do you mean try again? I'm not a robot -- YOU'RE THE ROBOT!"

True story from just a couple of hours ago.
  6:14pm Listener Robert:

I became a fan of Matt Taibbi when he was doing "Blender Kitty" in the NY Press in the 1980s. (Actually I think he had other-named features before that column.) And I was most gratified to learn yers later that I'd been pronouncing his last name correctly in my head.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm melinda:

@dale his dad was a TV newsman
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm -Ken:

Mike Taibbi is Matt's Dad
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm chresti:

Hi SM Ken and Techtonians.
Avatar 6:23pm dale:

ah!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm PaulRobeson1920:

Interesting
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm tim from champaign (now washington):

So why was Matt cancelled? What was your mini-cancel, Staysh?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm -Ken:

Matt will describe his cancellation in this interview. My mini cancellation was last June, when the WFMU staff wantedd to craft an institutional Racial Justice statement. I made the fatal error of suggesting that we have a staff wide meeting to craft the statement. I came under attack on Facebook.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920:

Damaged eh? That reminds me of an Epictetus saying
Avatar 6:27pm Ole 'Rick:

What a time' to be alive
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Damn you for trying to be inclusive, Staysh! Thanks for the explanation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm G:

@Ken -- One would think that staff who believe in freeform programming would be really openminded about things, which is kind of the opposite of 'cancel mode.' One might in some cases be wrong.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm -Ken:

Onky $170 to go! Help Mark make his goal ! There aint no other show like this ANYWHERE
Avatar 6:29pm dale:

it's difficult to do that sort of thing without it seeming like pandering sometimes. probably wise to get everyone on board.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm -Ken:

@G: it was a touchy moment, last June.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm PaulRobeson1920:

What a time to be alive!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm brainiac:

Never underestimate the canceling power of a single dedicated idiot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm G:

I'm sure.
Avatar 6:30pm Ole 'Rick:

Ken if I pledge can you FORCE Glen Jones to use a comment style playlist?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm iiibeat:

I saw in a doc about Kubrick and The Shining . . Jack Nicholson was telling about Kubrick interpreting Icarus . . Use different wings!
Avatar 6:30pm admiral_crisp:

lmao I wish Jonesy had a playlist
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm howard in nyc:

I did not know Matt's cancel episode was so serious, and had such damaging ramifications, like losing his book publisher. Didn't know Ken had a mini-cancel episode on Facebook. First question that comes to my mind, does Andy have an alibi?
  6:32pm bobo:

two older white dudes got cancelled, kind of... takes a lot to make me cry.
Avatar 6:32pm dale:

i asked x-ray on fb why there was no accu and he just said 'we operate outside of the rules.'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm PaulRobeson1920:

Plato wrote about Socrates getting canceled
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Nate K.:

Matt quoted tweeted me once as a reply, and I had to mute the thread within about 15 minutes of it happening and after explaining that I actually liked him, but had a question. It was a wild 15 minutes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm -Ken:

*Nothing* could make Glen Jones open up his chatboard.
Avatar 6:33pm Ole 'Rick:

LMAO That sounds about right Dale
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm -Ken:

bobo, you are worse than Hitler's Hitler.
Avatar 6:34pm dale:

he does NOT take criticism well.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm PaulRobeson1920:

Lincoln Douglass style debate before any cancelations, please, please
Avatar 6:35pm admiral_crisp:

I kind of like the in the momentness of the no accu for Jones
Avatar 6:35pm dale:

the older i get the more i realize that everyone is weird and everyone has baggage. and that's alright.
  6:35pm Listener Robert:

Even Bill Kelly has a comments frame when he playlists.

As to the attacks on -Ken, let me guess: Somebody wanted to DICTATE a particular statement and just ASSUME the whole staff would agree. Am I close?
  6:36pm Siobhan:

He seems to have a hard time distinguishing between trolls and people asking questions
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Fuzzy:

But often you'll never know what some song was or who did it because they don't even back-announce their selections -- same with Reggae Schoolroom.
Avatar 6:36pm Cp304:

this is why I like the no agenda "value for value" model. totally funded, maintained by the producers. they even created their own twitterish style thing on mastadon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm ultradamno:

And the tone of that quote tweet, and certainly of his amplifiers, was to shut down any contrary imput, as I recall.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm chresti:

The older I get the weirder I get.
Avatar 6:37pm Cp304:

that's what I'm told also chresti
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm melinda:

It sucks that writers have to be on Twitter with its dysfunction and minefields.
Avatar 6:38pm admiral_crisp:

@fuzzy I've frequently tried to remember a snippet of the lyrics so I could search them up for a match
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Nate K.:

Love that he was a basketball player overseas.
  6:38pm johnzo:

great interview! love Matt Taibi. Glad you guys didn't get cancelled. what internet mob was after Ken?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm Webhamster Henry:

Benjamin Walker in the previous show like this one, Too Much Information, had a show on the theme of "For The Lolz" about really anti-social behavior (online and off) just for the thrill of trolling them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Webhamster Henry:

Here it is: wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm -Ken:

It was a batch of anonymous people on Facebook who were after me. If you look at Matt Taibbi's twitterfeed these days, he addresses lots of criticism seriously and directly. When youre in a position like his, it can be really hard to smell a troll right away.
Avatar 6:40pm Ole 'Rick:

I just hate missing the name of a song cause with Jonesy it's heavily implied I should know all of the songs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Fuzzy:

@admiral: that's one tactic -- I've used Soundhound to identify a song that was playing, but that's a pain -- unlock the phone, open the app, etc. Just back-announce your songs already!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Kat in Chicago:

I remember that show, WH. Benjamin Walker did some good work on these airwaves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm PaulRobeson1920:

It’s near impossible to emote in a text. I hope the humor of that Lincoln Douglass Post comes through.... Sarcasm does not translate well in text. No voice infliction.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm -Ken:

@Robert - The mob wanted a party line statement IMMEDIATELY and the idea of having a meeting to discuss it, which would delay the statement by two days. was taken as right wing blasphemy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm -Ken:

ONLY $45 LEFT TO GO!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Nate K.:

Matt is way more interactive with people on Twitter than he really needs to be, and it can be quite constructive, too, not merely sport.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm melinda:

@Ken yikes
Avatar 6:42pm Ole 'Rick:

I miss the late 1980s...
  6:42pm P-90:

He’s right: RIP that “Warren Court sensibility”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Kat in Chicago:

*Benjamen, not Benjamin
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm melinda:

I discovered FMU after Benjamen Walker's show but found his podcast around the same time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm PaulRobeson1920:

A writer of “The Wire” David Simon mows the figurative Twitter Lawn daily.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm tim from champaign (now washington):

@Chresti - I'm the same.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm PaulRobeson1920:

Twitter, like the Television is not suited for Seriousness. The form excludes the content. (Neil Postman)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Rory:

Love Matt Taibbi!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm iiibeat:

Timothy Leary is rolling in his grave about how most people use the Internet . . Wait . . His ashes were shot into outer space. Nevermind!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Webhamster Henry:

Social media has taken the place of newspapers without the historical obligations of the press. The Knight Foundation is trying to figure out some of this stuff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm chresti:

Also, the older I get, the less I care what other people think of my weirdness.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Rory:

Can’t believe you got to interview him Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park:

A couple of years ago, a whole South Park season featured online trolling.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm iiibeat:

The press has always been full of shit . . In strong measures.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Hahahaha "How can the Democrats still blow it" - hahahahahaha. Perfect, Ken.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm chresti:

Hi Tim and Cp! Fellow weirdos!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Handy Haversack:

I keep deleting comments. Not sure I can compress my thoughts on this into a chat comment. Though I'll reiterate a common comment of mine on this show, and I think late Taibbi really embodies it: you can't solve the horrid, soul-killing problems of capitalism through more capitalism.

Gotta take off. Thanks for filling in, Staysh.

Be well, all!
Avatar 6:50pm dale:

sportsy talk was on and early numbers were coming in. jim the poet said trump was ahead in man states and bronwyn c said 'oh, he can't win.'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm iiibeat:

People just want to believe things. Herd instinct?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm PaulRobeson1920:

Umm
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Hey Chrest!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920:

Critical thinking is a learned skill?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm -Ken:

Itold Matt that we had a policy of not uttering Trump's name, so he was embarrassed to break the rule...
Avatar 6:52pm Cp304:

that's sad
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm ultradamno:

There really is no Hunter Biden story at this point. Not that far from the date of the interview, how quickly things are moving.
  6:53pm P-90:

Actually Dr. Leary’s predictions about how the internet would affect culture and politics are proving more amazingly accurate every day.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm Rory:

I’ll listen to the beginning on the archives. Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm iiibeat:

Trump is a mutation of the Tea Party movement as given through mainstream media.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Rory:

Also, Katie Harper is awesome!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Rory:

Halper
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm melinda:

Mongolian Rodman haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Webhamster Henry:

The Mongolian Meadowlark Lemon.
Avatar 6:55pm dale:

the mongolian globetrotters.
Avatar 6:55pm dale:

henry beat me to it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Kat in Chicago:

*whistles Sweet Georgia Brown*
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm melinda:

Meadowlark Lemon is one of the best names ever.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm PaulRobeson1920:

“If people treat you disrespectfully or speak unkindly about you, remember that they do so from their impression that it is right to do so. It is unrealistic to expect people to see you as you see yourself. If people reach conclusions based on false impressions, they are the ones hurt rather than you, because it is they who are misguided.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Webhamster Henry:

Sorry , dale! I cede my time.
  6:57pm P-90:

Did Ken mention the date of the interview?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Rory:

Useful Idiots great podcast!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920:

“...When someone interprets a true proposition as a false one, the proposition itself isn’t hurt; only the person who holds the wrong view is deceived, and thus damaged. Once you clearly understand this, you will be less likely to feel affronted by others, even if they revile you. You can say to yourself, “It seemed so to that person, but that is only his impression.”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Kat in Chicago:

I think he said a week ago?
Avatar 6:57pm Cp304:

i think it was 19th of Oct P90
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm PaulRobeson1920:

Ooo The Denis Rodman of Mongolia!?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Zetti:

Thanks, Matt, Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Nice fill-in, Staysh! Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Bas NL:

Thanks Ken! Thanks Matt!
  6:59pm P-90:

One week ago! Fascinating how some of the news topics discussed have updated since the interview took place...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Fuzzy:

Thanks Ken and Matt!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Fuzzy:

reCAPTCHA vs. humans
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Rory:

Wait till they add weapons to these robot dogs. Scary times... thanksthanksthanks all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Deborah:

So interesting tonight.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm howard in nyc:

That Black Mirror episode featuring the robot dog was the most terrifying sci-fi thing I've seen. And it is basically a real life thing.
Avatar 7:00pm Cp304:

skynet time Rory
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Bas NL:

As long as Spot doesn't start trolling..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Turning on lights and adjusting the stereo is definitely worth $75,000.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Some pictures of Spot here: www.dudeiwantthat.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Deborah:

Maybe Spot is trolling!
  7:00pm P-90:

“The biped robots were losers” ugh, I was afraid of that...
Thanks @Ken. First rate show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm ultradamno:

Will Spot maul you if you attempt to prevent him from self charge?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm a5vzener:

Black Mirror horror.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Webhamster Henry:

Get Spot to pledge!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm -Ken:

Thanks for hanging out everybody!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Webhamster Henry:

Robot squirrel will fix that!
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