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Favoriting October 5, 2020: Alan Jacobs, author, "Breaking Bread with the Dead"

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Above, the Techtonic tips booklet. Pledge here ($75 one-time or $10/month, then click "1 DJ Premium").

Tonight: Alan Jacobs, author, "Breaking Bread with the Dead: A Reader's Guide to a More Tranquil Mind"

Welcome to the October fundraiser! LAST CHANCE to get the Techtonic tips booklet shown above. Click here to pledge - make the amount $10/month or $75 one-time, and then click "1 DJ Premium." On the next page, under the MONDAY section, click "Techtonic tips booklet."

My event Skeptech: Smile for the Camera is coming up on Thursday, October 22 - I'll be hosting this interactive Zoom event about cameras and surveillance - including a mini-magic show by Andy Deemer, designed for Zoom, and a paranoid film excerpt by People Like Us.

Pointers:

• Alan's microblog

• Alan's blog

• Alan's homepage

• Alan's new book, Breaking Bread with the Dead: A Reader's Guide to a More Tranquil Mind

After Technopoly (Alan Jacobs in the New Atlantis, spring 2019)

Against Projection for Promise (Alan Jacobs in the Hedgehog Review, May 20, 2020)

Handmind in Covidtide (Alan's piece about the shears, July 9, 2020)

The Age of Anxiety Critical Edition, edited by Alan Jacobs

The Convivial Society, LM Sacasas's newsletter

Text editors as Lord of the Rings locations (Kieran Healy, July 2011)

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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Mark and all the Techyon Drives! I feel like it's been far too long!

How long have you been *Live* from the Upper West Side, Mark?!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonbliophiles!
  6:00pm
David in London:

Technoids, hello! Evening Mark.
Handy, ultradamno!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Technical friends!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Handy Haversack:

David, ultradamno!
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ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
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ultradamno:

Hiya Handy!
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TDK60:

Hey Mark, been a while.
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:01pm
David in London:

TDK, Webhamster.
  6:01pm
P-90:

Welcome home @Mark
  6:02pm
David in London:

That was quite a good impression of Staysh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Handy Haversack:

Always a chance Ken was already radicalized. Just couldn't tell more had happened.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtone company!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
ultradamno:

If you play Ken's episode backwards it said "remember facebook, get with google, appreciate apple!"
  6:03pm
-Ken:

Good evening Tonickers. I am up to further experiments on the youtube radicalization theory. I guess I would have to create a new account to truly test it.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicooklets! (Love the Techtonic Tips booklet)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
melinda:

hello techtons
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
melinda:

@ultradamno haha
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Handy Haversack:

dkg! My good good friend!

And there are commercials on during NFL games for Apple watches as "the future of health."
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Webhamster Henry:

The NY Covid app is basically supposed to give you an alert if you are Bluetoothedly near the phone of someone who has been identified as a carrier.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

I don't know if I (as a developer) can get to that side of the phone. Probably not. After all, the "phone" side of the phone is walled off to apps.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
melinda:

There was a good article by Zeynep Tufekci (sp?) about how the countries who have handled the pandemic more successfully use backward contact tracing rather than forward tracing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry:

I can see good old Link NYC booths displaying animated cops (or vegetables as in "We're All Bozos On This Bus") if a Covid identified phone passes by them.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and the tectho-positive and techto-negative.
  6:14pm
P-90:

Gotta love those NPR-ish musical intros
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi @Handy @ultra @DiL @Webham @TDK60 @James @chresti @Bas @melinda @KfHP @P-90! Thanks for joining!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

Reading old books ... being offended ... I am two for two so far!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
ultradamno:

I don't know why anyone would want to read something that doesn't make them uncomfortable, challenged, even uncomfortable. I may as well read my own journal if I'm looking for what I already think.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Mark Hurst:

@Handy you're so close to a hat trick (not sure what the third item would be, tho)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
ultradamno:

Not that my own thoughts are above offending me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultra agreed all around
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Handy Haversack:

Well, I do often think about what today or tomorrow's children will think of our failures to stop extractive capitalism when they are soldiers in the last Drinking Water Wars ... does that count?
  6:24pm
ignatatus666:

Future generations will not have control of their own thoughts,hence no ability to reason. They will have the installed information that is not stopping this technology was a revolution for the future.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Handy Haversack:

Also: WORD, ultradamno. I mean, I went to all this effort to learn to read. Why waste it?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Bas NL:

They killed plants for food?
  6:25pm
Sam:

Eating meat already is horrific for many of us. For us life is like being stuck living in the dark ages, day after day.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Webhamster Henry:

There are many aisles in the supermarket that I never enter.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
ultradamno:

Are there no amoebatarians?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry:

I filter krill through my baleen.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Handy Haversack:

Shoot, Mark, I owe you a Berry book. Dang it. I'm sorry. Things have been a little jagged lately.
Avatar 🤖 6:29pm
herb.nyc:

"Wha? You ate meat?" Reminds me of essay that chuck klosterman wrote, that while punk is seen as big influence now, in future, historians may see disco as a bigger influence. Chuck is well reasoned.
  6:30pm
Sam:

Our president has a lot of personal density
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Bas NL:

Disco dancing will become a religious practice in a couple of millennia.. a must-happen.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:

The FOMO-hose!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I understand that on The Tweeter, you can't wish death upon other users anymore. Progress, right?
  6:32pm
-Ken:

Hooboy- the frenetic standstill says it all...
  6:33pm
Sam:

Disco is coming back. Its the only thing that will fill the empty emotional hole we’re all going to have when this is over.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Handy Haversack:

"I'm more of a well wisher. In that I miss him no specific ill."
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Handy Haversack:

*^wish

Sheesh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Handy Haversack:

Mars trilogy! Such a reasonable, fascinating ride!
  6:35pm
-Ken:

I’m with Sam. When this whole pandemic is finally more or less over, we are due for a roaring 20s- disco seventies sex fueled Molly era.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Webhamster Henry:

Retro disco with those Blade Runner techno-40s fashions we're supposed to have by now.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Bas NL:

My walkman's up at Christies.. i hope i can finance this teleport cruise around the United States of Google.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
ultradamno:

If he doesn't post on his blog for awhile does that make him the master of his domain?
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TDK60:

I know a zine that argues for reading literature & history. to know our Now better. / Handy- I read that Mars trio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Mark Hurst:

@TDK60 what's the name of the zine? sounds interesting.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

Serious question - how do you create your own domain and what does that mean?
  6:41pm
David in London:

It’s important not to fall into the trap of seeing all tech through doom-coloured glasses. Tech allows me to listen to FMU in England and develop friendships with all you lot. And that’s not nothing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Bas NL:

Host thy self and thy content will thunder.
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TDK60:

Communicating Vessels, Portland, Or. Possibly hard to find, no email, site, etc.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
ultradamno:

@DiL Same here in Indiana.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Mark Hurst:

@DiL totally agree. i think that's much to Alan's point - using your own tools, learning the craft etc., can make tech actually good (and WFMU certainly is a leader in that sense)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Webhamster Henry:

Tech allows for WFMU Zoom Karaoke. #refuationsrus
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Handy Haversack:

All the more precious for its rarity, David, in asking nothing more from us than what we think we can give.
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Mark Hurst:

@TDK thanks
  6:43pm
-Ken:

Gopher reference ! Ding! Ding! Ding! (HI Henry)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
melinda:

I still have a blog, feels like a relic of another era but I don't want to let it go.
@tim I think it's just buying and maintaining a name for a website.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

@Tim lots of ways to do it, with a range of commercial-but-easy vs less commercial but less easy ways...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry:

Website building is easy-peasy these days, says the Web Hamster.
  6:45pm
David in London:

Handy, and stocking our T-shirt drawers so fulsomely...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
melinda:

I bought the domain name and mapped it to a blog hosted by Typepad, even easier than building a site for scratch.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

Ah, I see. Thanks Melinda and Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Webhamster Henry:

Gopher is REALLY easy, but not very exciting. Gopher had (has?) full text indexing, though. Compared with FTP, which is kind of replaced, that was a miracle!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
ultradamno:

I think it's odd baking bread has become THE cliche lockdown activity, I thought everyone was kicking bread.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Handy Haversack:

W-FMU
You do me right,
To stock my drawers
So fulsome-ly
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
a5vzener:

I'm an IT pro but I struggle every day with technology run amok. Its even worse when you peek under the covers!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry:

As a programmer for 50 years, I'm surprised when people expect stuff to work.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Handy Haversack:

This is huge, taking the slow view on news. I do the same. The only thing I check daily is protest schedules. This is both sane making and keeps you focused on the larger, longer, more hidden emergencies that are designedly hidden by the news churn.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

This year I've gone back print only news. I get a newspaper several times a week.I've gone on an electronic news moratorium. It's been good for me.
  6:50pm
P-90:

Ivan Illich! Essential indeed!
  6:51pm
markinbrooklyn:

I will second weekly news reading-
Economist and Weekend FT!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Webhamster Henry:

There are some new local news services in my town that only publish news when there is some.
Avatar 6:51pm
TDK60:

I reduced my exposure to TV/video images of news and read about it more. Almost every day tho. Every third day might be good. But every day is like a week right now......
  6:51pm
-Ken:

Henry, that’s whiskey talk
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Webhamster Henry:

I don't know EMACS but I know its predecessor TECO.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

I had to switch from Nota Bene (well, XyWrite, really) to Word, but I stay with Word 2003, which was a solid program.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
a5vzener:

XyWrite III forever!
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slugluv1313:

greetings, Mark! Skeletons! Everyone!
have had WFMU on all day, but have been bogged down with other stuff :(
however, i MUST thank you for introducing us to Alan Jacobs -- had to stop dead in my tracks when he was speaking of Frederick Douglass -- and my (goofy, vegan, abolitionist) tired old geezer heart and soul just soared when he was speaking of how future generations will view the consumption of dead decomposing flesh as abhorrent :)
my activism became reignited and intensified about 20 years ago -- C. R. Greek, M.D. was speaking about vivisection (something i thought had died with the 60s and 70s!) at an animal rights conference -- he also remarked how we "activists" were at the forefront, and how in the future, people will wonder how humanity would have used/abused animals for "research"
so again, THANK YOU Alan Jacobs for writing this book and THANK YOU Mark for this incredible interview!
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djsheilab:

So glad I caught most of this interview. So much wisdom. Thank you!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

"Don't be afraid of tech" — White House Tweeter account, probably.
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Sonderangebot:

Thank you Mark for another thoughtful interview.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Handy Haversack:

This was a really good talk, Mark. So enjoyable.

Hey, slugluv!
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Carmichael:

Two words I never want to hear again: "sourdough starter".
  6:55pm
P-90:

Catch Disco Fever!
  6:55pm
Lisa Hirschfield:

Fun Fact: Emacs had Tetris!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Handy Haversack:

Oh, dang -- it's almost over?

Thanks, Mark. Thanks again and always. So valuable. And not in a financialized way.
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melinda:

thanks Mark!
  6:56pm
David in London:

Thanks for a terrific show tonight Mark.
And as someone born in a Shire, it’s worthy fighting for.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Webhamster Henry:

I think I allocated part of my Hellraiser pumpkin pie to Techtonic. I'd invite others to do the same
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
a5vzener:

<b>Thanks for another great show, Mark!</b>
  6:57pm
mary:

And thanks for the attention to Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow, Alan Jacobs. Hadn't focused on the personal density thing.I'm in the last quarter and it's wonderful (an inadequate adjective) Challenging, totally worth it. Talk about WW2 and it's aftermaths. brilliantly comic. mindsfucker about mind fucking. Few people read it now.
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TDK60:

Thanks y gracias, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Alan!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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slugluv1313:

hiya Handy!!!
big ups for READING!!! :)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Handy Haversack:

mary, if ever thirteen living people have read that AND Finnegans Wake, the sun will explode. So be careful!
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