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Favoriting March 30, 2020: Kyle Chayka, author, "The Longing for Less: Living with Minimalism"

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Tonight: Kyle Chayka, author, "The Longing for Less: Living with Minimalism"



Kyle Chayka pointers:

kylechayka.com

• Book: The Longing for Less: Living with Minimalism

• On Twitter: @chaykak

The empty promises of Marie Kondo and the craze for minimalism (Kyle in the Guardian, Jan 3, 2020)

Group Therapy for the End of the World (Kyle in Vice, Sep 4, 2018)

Style Is an Algorithm (Kyle in Vox, Apr 17, 2018): "No one is original any more, not even you."

Tech news:

Zoom iOS App Sends Data to Facebook Even if You Don’t Have a Facebook Account (by Joseph Cox in Vice, March 26, 2020)

Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act (Doc Searls, March 27): "Zoom is in the advertising business, and in the worst end of it: the one that lives off harvested personal data."

Jitsi, an alternative to Zoom: "Secure, fully featured, and completely free video conferencing." Other Zoom alternatives include Whereby and several others listed here.

Zoom privacy policy (most recent update: March 29, 2020)

Zoom Calls Aren't as Private as You May Think. Here's What You Should Know (by Allen St. John in Consumer Reports, March 24, 2020)

Coronavirus: Zoom is in everyone's living room - how safe is it? (BBC, March 27) - also references this EFF piece (March 19).

YouTube Is A Pedophile’s Paradise (by Jesselyn Cook and Sebastian Murdock in the Huffington Post, March 20, 2020): "Despite its statements to the contrary, YouTube continues to actively put children in danger. . . . There’s nothing wrong with parents uploading clips from their family trip to the beach. The issue is not the volume or even the content itself per se, but how [YouTube] herds users directly to it."

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  Kyle Chayka, author of "Longing for Less: Living with Minimalism" - also tech news of Zoom, YouTube, and a musical treat.
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John Toso and Fabio Martoglio  Corona Virus   Favoriting
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Daniel Matarazzo  Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (with new lyrics)   Favoriting
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Raven Baxter  Wipe It Down   Favoriting
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtonimalists!
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queems:

howdy mark & all
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!!
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Handy Haversack:

Hi, Mark! Hi, Techyon particles! Tech gin: Poured! All we need is ...
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Mark Hurst:

ultra, queems, james - welcome!
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Mark Hurst:

and handy!
  6:02pm
JakeGould:

Wash your hands!
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melinda:

Hi everyone!
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Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonicave-als!
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Jackie:

Hello all! Really looking forward to tonight’s interview
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Jake, melinda, Bas, Jackie! (Thanks to Jackie for pointing me toward tonight's guest!)
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chresti:

Hi Mark and Techtonitos!
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Mark Hurst:

@chresti i like your animated avatar
  6:05pm
GListener MW:

Ok, I chortled at “their stash of — previously unknown, publicly — “ XD
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Handy Haversack:

My aunt said a national company donated a bunch of N95 masks to their local hospital -- which won't let the health workers wear them because they did not come from a local source ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
dale:

i had 2 boxes of 3M n95 masks in my garage and mice nested in the boxes. i could wear them and get the plague but i tossed them.
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queems:

damnit zoom
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chris:

hi, Mark and folks. i meant to send jitsi to you, Mark, but see you already know about it! nice.
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annie:

i don't trust Zoom
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queems:

my therapist uses zoom with clients and she is worried about hipaa stuff
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Handy Haversack:

I have been encouraging people to drop it since that first LinkedIn article you posted, @queems!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
ultradamno:

They owe the PBS show royalties
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queems:

@handy my sister sent me that article! glad to see that someone else in my family is wearing the tin foil hat this time
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Now is the time for all good skeletons to come to the aid of the station.
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Handy Haversack:

@queems: Right? I would love it (and be shocked to my core!) if anything like that came from anyone in my family.
  6:13pm
Tony:

Is it only the iOS version of Zoom that sends data to Facebook?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Bas NL:

Just visited zoom.us.. It's free! :)
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herb.nyc:

aside, but important: there's an action to "free the vaccine for covid-19". I attended webinar 1 on Friday (they used Zoom, but I attended via phone call). Info at c4aa dot org
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

BTW I think the Zoom privacy policy got updated slightly a day or so after I recorded this intro.
  6:13pm
Zoom CEO:

Please stop probing our privacy policy. You're supposed to accept the terms and move along.
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annie:

theyhad a lawyer write that shit
  6:15pm
GListener MW:

BAHAHAHHA I feel like that Zoom policy is written by a moustache-twirling lawyer stereotype played by Wallace Shawn
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queems:

this is why we can't have nice things
  6:15pm
Sam:

It depends what the definition of “is” is.
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annie:

how sad, queems... iknow..
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sbw:

Doc Searls: "Yesterday (March 29), Zoom updated its privacy policy with a major rewrite. The new language is far more clear than what it replaced, and which had caused the concerns I detailed in my previous three posts ..." blogs.harvard.edu...
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Mark Hurst:

@sbw good link - Doc did a great job covering this. I think his posts helped cause that update.
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herb.nyc:

(Wow, fm transmission to my apt is real clean and clear)
  6:18pm
Sam:

Zoom really cares about your privacy, just like that psychic is really talking to your deceased grandpa.
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annie:

there are stories about the corona thing; that you can get "certified" tht you are no longer a carrier...and get some paper work to carry with you to show when you want to
enter another country
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ultradamno:

More is more!
  6:20pm
P-90:

Present! Got here late because The Prez’s daily press briefing was such a surreal train wreck that I couldn’t tear myself away...
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Handy Haversack:

I was on meet.jit.si for six hours yesterday with six other people. Worked well.
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Mark Hurst:

@Handy glad to hear it
  6:22pm
P-90:

“monoculture of minimalism” I’ve watched this happen.
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Handy Haversack:

I remember an article on simplicity consultants in the NYTimes Magazine (of course) over 20 years ago. They were pictured standing beneath their 64-piece set of copper pots and pans ...

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
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queems:

i'm a definite stuff haver
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Chud:

Mark, your show has inspired me to reformat my android phone to an OS without Google. A bonus to not phoning-home to their servers is that the battery life has doubled!
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Jackie:

A lifetime ago, I was able to tour Judd's loft. It was sublime.
  6:28pm
P-90:

@Chud: how long have you been using this OS? Can you say which one it is? What make of Android phone are you using it on? I’ve been seriously considering experimenting with switching from Apple/IOS to an Android phone
w/out Google.
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melinda:

@queems I like my stuff too
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Blobs:

This guy's vocal fry is over the top, haha
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northguineahills:

I'm a maximalist minimalist....
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Chud:

P-90, I've been using ArrowOS on a Moto G5 Plus since January. It's an AOSP without Google Apps/Backend
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Chud:

It's very solid, but the downside is that you have to trust some no-name developers. The plus side is that you can build the code yourself
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northguineahills:

I don't have my stuff (w/in geographical convenient access)
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ultradamno:

For true minimalism, you need to go saltless.
  6:32pm
P-90:

Dr. John C. Lily
  6:33pm
Julie:

What is the name of the book about doing nothing called again? And the author?
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annie:

i'm so minimalist,i have guilt pangs when i can't patch my clothing anymore and ihave to
throw out some flimsy slacks.
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queems:

i've found that as a person who makes objects, it's unsatisfying to live without being surrounded by objects
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Webhamster Henry:

There are Isolation tanks here in Kingston (Zephyr Float) . I bet they aren't open right now.
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melinda:

There is a float tank place in my town with a copy of John C. Lily's memoir in their little lounge area, called Tanks for the Memories.
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Bas NL:

Good point.
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brainiac:

@Blobs It brought tears to my eyes. Had to turn it off for a while.
  6:35pm
P-90:

@Chud: Thanks, I’ve read about it, I’ll take another look. There are so many really good Samsung phones that are such better pieces of hardware in some ways than comparable Apple models, but I want to be able to use one reliably without opening my kimono to Google...
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Mark Hurst:

@Chud so happy to hear it!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Simpsons did it - youtu.be...
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ifny:

The convo has moved on I see, but for those looking for a community / free and open source video conferencing application with encryption, Jitsi is excellent. No software necessary as users can just visit it as a link in a browser. Better performance under network congestion conditions than Zoom too. It's friendly for n00bs, or you can host your own instance if you're fancy. meet.jit.si Their privacy policy: jitsi.org...
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chresti:

Zen gardens- minimal
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Mark Hurst:

@ifny thanks - mentioned Jitsi earlier in the show & glad to hear your experience
  6:37pm
P-90:

How to Do Nothing

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42771901-how-to-do-nothing
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Webhamster Henry:

I used to use appear.in, but they are forced to stop doing conferencing due to IP concerns.
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Mark Hurst:

My interview with Jenny Odell: from June 10 of last year - www.wfmu.org...
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Mark Hurst:

Yes, thanks, Jackie!
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Chud:

P-90, agreed!
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Jackie:

Thank you, Mark!
  6:39pm
P-90:

@Ken from Hyde Park: I won’t be surprised to see Marie Kondo guest star on the Simpsons.
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ultradamno:

Socially distanced album covers www.adweek.com...
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ifny:

Oh cool -- I missed the beginning of the show. Around here, we say 'Colonialism does not spark joy.'
  6:40pm
P-90:

Ha! I was waiting for Kondo’s name to come up in this hour...
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Webhamster Henry:

I made a meme image with Thanos snapping saying "Does it Spark Joy?"
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Bas NL:

I don't like people who love to de-clutter. I like to re-purpose.
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ultradamno:

Nothing sparks joy, that's not useful standard for me, everything stays.
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Franco Twinkie:

Years ago I was walking down the street in Soho and I saw Donald Judd in a gallery with an arrangement of his decidedly minimalist boxes. He was lecturing two cowed looking collector types. I imagine he was telling them if they wanted one of his sculptures, they would first have to throw away all their furniture.
  6:42pm
P-90:

I just the other day saw that Kondo has a site where she’s marketing products... instantly felt a LOT less open to her messaging.
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queems:

what a JAM
  6:42pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

Mark, that was a great interview. I hope you'll consider more book discussions / author interviews.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Mark Hurst:

@P-90 did you see the $75 crystal (or whatever) I mentioned?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
melinda:

I've been thinking that a pandemic makes one more aware of the value of having extras of lots of things and supplies for self-reliance.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Mark Hurst:

@Peter thanks! I do have some more authors in the pipeline. If you're interested, lots of past author interviews in the archives at techtonic.fm
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Motobro:

Very nice interview Mark.
Interesting how the current COVID situation factored into the discussion.
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Mark Hurst:

@Motobro thanks! And congrats on winning Monday races this morning.
  6:44pm
P-90:

@Mark: I didn’t go to the site, I just saw a news item about it. Not in a rush to check it out, somehow.
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Webhamster Henry:

With me, it's busted machinery that I hope to fix sometime that spark joy.
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Handy Haversack:

Books, old magazines for collaging, stuff you can get your cats to chase, tapes you haven't head in a while ... all great to have around these days.
  6:46pm
Erin in TO:

Great interview Mark, and these songs are fantastic
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Motobro:

Why thank you Mark.
Got to finish it to win it.
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annie:

i collect and save fabrics, threads, and sewing notions.. all vital necessities
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Mark Hurst:

@Erin thanks!
  6:47pm
P-90:

My hope would be that a Kondo merchandising store would focus on a limited number of super-useful, well-made, hard-to-find items, like the old Smith & Hawken catalog. Not like just another museum gift shop catalog or something...
  6:47pm
mark bodah:

this is where i get all my covid19 news
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ultradamno:

Is there a You've Got To Fight For Your Right To Coronavirus Party? www.cnn.com...
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listener 126464:

surprised they used their real names
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ultradamno:

I have to assume 2020 spring break anecdotes will be dominating the Darwin Awards.
  6:49pm
P-90:

Now nothing can “go viral” any more
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Handy Haversack:

Oh, goodness: Appendix T: Nomenclature of the Polearm!

Another great show, Mark! Thanks! Mondays on WFMU: a cure for *some* of what ails us!
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Mark Hurst:

@Handy thanks! Glad you enjoyed the polearm description.
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Always love to see a spetum in the wild!
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Mark Hurst:

Wild Spetum is my favorite punk band
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Motobro:

Nothing you can't use a good old pointy stick for, albeit at least a 6' foot long one.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack:

"I DISARM U" is anthemic, @Mark Hurst, no fooling!
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Mark Hurst:

Find the HuffPo piece on YouTube in the Tech News section on this page.
  6:52pm
P-90:

YouTube hasn’t addressed that issue YET?
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Mark Hurst:

@P-90 nope.
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Bas NL:

One billion views per day on YouTube.. pfeww!
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ultradamno:

Vimeo?
  6:54pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

@Mark Hurst I'll check your archives. I'm a personal trainer, I've traditionally been working at 6P on Mondays. Don't get to listen to your show as often as I'd like.
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ultradamno:

Jinx
  6:54pm
ignatatus666:

Vimeo is shown on YouTube
  6:54pm
P-90:

Vimeo has been a solid alternative for many years.
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Mark Hurst:

@Peter thanks! Yep plenty to listen to at techtonic.fm - there's a podcast link, as well.
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Handy Haversack:

It's really depressing that it's just the go-to content repository and that so many friends and neighbors use it to send you stuff that appeals to them. I just never click on any of those links.
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Corey:

Thanks Mark! Informative as always.
  6:55pm
Earth Walker:

So well said Mark Thanks
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Bas NL:

Super Mark. Great show!!
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks again, Mark! L8r, everyone!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Confound it! Five laps around the living room for me, posting a whotube link up above. Take care, Mark.
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brainiac:

Thanks Mark
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Motobro:

Thank you mark.
Stay safe and sane everyone.
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chris:

thanks, Mark. and are *any* of us certain what we'll be doing next week?
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Mark Hurst:

@Corey, @EarthWalker, @Bas, Handy, Ken, brainiac, motobro, chris, and everyone else - thanks for joining me!
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ifny:

Agreed re: YouTube. Have you heard of the "How To Cook That" channel? They do a good debunking of YT algorithm interplay with the notorious 'So Yummy' transnational media conglomerate. Sadly I think they're only on YT but it's interesting regardless, for example: www.youtube.com...
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ifny:

Thank you Mark for another excellent show -- I look forward to listening to the full episode later. Free and Open power and solidarity to you and all!
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listener 126464:

Thanks Mark
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Mark Hurst:

@ifny @126464 thanks!
  6:59pm
P-90:

Thanks. And stay socially distanced, Mark.
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