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Postwar atmospherica. High bop modernism and Afro-Latin sounds, twilight exotica and soundtrack moods, soul stompers and weepers, hypnotic R&B and blues, mystical '60s pop, lonely country, lonelier rock 'n' roll, instrumental weirdness, electronic creaking. Bringing worlds beyond into the worlds at hand.

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The Benjamin Specials Gospel Singers  I Am on the Right Road Now   Options 7" 45  0:00:00 (Pop‑up)
Pervis Lee  You Don't Care   Options Leeway  0:02:26 (Pop‑up)
Fitz Gore & The Talismen  Gisela (Lion Rock)   Options 7" 45  0:05:39 (Pop‑up)
Assèlèfètch Ashiné & Géténèsh Kebrèt  Mètché Nèw   Options Ethiopiques Vol. 13 - Ethiopian Groove  0:11:33 (Pop‑up)
Ahmed Abdul-Malik  Communication   Options Sounds Of Africa  0:15:04 (Pop‑up)
Munir Bechir and his quartet  Shurud   Options Babylon Mood  0:24:34 (Pop‑up)
Phil Yost  Wave Your Moonlight Hat For The Snowfall Train   Options Bent City  0:28:38 (Pop‑up)
Family Souls  Cyke   Options 7" 45  0:31:50 (Pop‑up)
Los York's  Mi Mente En Ti   Options 7" 45  0:35:57 (Pop‑up)

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the wide open  


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Sadik Hakim  Impulse   Options East And West Of Jazz  0:50:43 (Pop‑up)
Al Cohn  NY's Idea   Options Al Cohn Quartet With Henri Renaud  0:58:04 (Pop‑up)
The Jaguars  Jaguar   Options 7" 45  0:58:16 (Pop‑up)
The Cordials  Eek   Options 7" 45  0:59:56 (Pop‑up)
Kip Tyler  Shadow Street   Options 7" 45  1:02:06 (Pop‑up)
Rebert Howell with Ray Guyce & His Lonesome Valley Boys  I Don't Want to Cry Over You   Options 7" 45  1:04:40 (Pop‑up)
Tracy Pendarvis And The Swampers  South Bound Line   Options 7" 45  1:07:05 (Pop‑up)
Magic Slim  Scuffling   Options 7" 45  1:09:34 (Pop‑up)
Freddie Scott & The Chimes  Letter Came This Morning   Options 7" 45  1:11:48 (Pop‑up)
Chuck Willis  Give and Take   Options 7" 45  1:13:56 (Pop‑up)
Martinez-Cheda Orchestra  Cuban Fantasy   Options Let's Dance Latin with Martinez-Cheda Orchestra  1:16:38 (Pop‑up)
Gerald Wilson And His Orchestra  Lotus Land   Options Progressive Sounds by Gerald Wilson  1:19:10 (Pop‑up)
Michiya Mihashi - Tadaaki Misago & Tokyo Cuban Boys  Soran-Bushi   Options Shamisen Recital  1:24:50 (Pop‑up)
Hachidai Nakamura  Sakura Sakura (Cherry Blossoms)   Options Rainy Night in Tokyo  1:29:34 (Pop‑up)
Singleman  Yeah   Options 7" 45  1:32:30 (Pop‑up)

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a dark den  


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Harmonia  Watussi   Options Musik von Harmonia  1:44:52 (Pop‑up)
anon.  Untitled   Options Cambodian Cassette Archives: Khmer Folk & Pop Music Vol. 1  1:50:08 (Pop‑up)
Laxmikant Pyarelal  Gaon Gaon Ghoomi   Options Jalte Badan  1:52:27 (Pop‑up)

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Avatar 9:02pm Little Danny:

See y'all at the top of the hour! Godspeed Evan
  9:11pm Dean:

Damn. Just started spinning Sun Ra/Walt Dickerson Visions on the home system. It's among my top five favorite albums. But the advent of CBF prompts me to defer and listen live to this show on the cheesy Chromebook, which is how I luck to receive radio.
  9:13pm Dean:

You're still an hour away?
  9:14pm Dean:

Aha! 10:00 to midnight. Gives me an hour to play...Visions!
Avatar 9:14pm Little Danny:

Dean! Yes, now 45 minutes and counting the miles.
Avatar 9:15pm Little Danny:

Great album/collab
Avatar 9:16pm Little Danny:

Why don't you get a pair of speakers fer yer laptop? My Bose laptop speakers are acceptable
  9:21pm Dean:

In a word, LD, snobbery. I like *really good* sound reproduction, as in totally unaffordable, last-millimeter-of-fidelity-is-worth-a-second-mortgage sound reproduction. I also like the sound of crappy radio. Reminds me of my youth.
  9:23pm Dean:

I can't afford the former; still, I have approached nirvana over the years. I can't retrieve the latter, because I long ago got rid of my battery-driven transistor radio that I'd nestle under my pillow. So, I compromise.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:29pm chresti:

Avatar 9:33pm Little Danny:

@Dean: I respect that purity and commitment even if I don't totally adhere to it. My Sansui AU-999 is hopefully the last receiver/amp I'll ever need. Acceptable if not completely satisfactory. Same for my Technics turntables and carts/stylii. My record collecting choices - most often lo-fi '50s and '60s 45 obscurities - put logical limits on the audiophile necessities
Avatar 9:33pm Little Danny:

Haha, hi Chresti!

Back in a little bit, gotta get my shit together here
  9:37pm Dean:

It's very difficult for me not to start the endless discussion about stereo equipment. Very difficult. In a nutshell, almost daily I tell my kids I want better amplifiers, and that one of the hurdles to obtaining them is, e.g., the expense of child care, etc. I don't think this diminishes their self-esteem. Rather, it helps them realize HOW MUCH I SACRIFICE to make them happy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:37pm chresti:

Goofing up the record
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:37pm Franco Twinkie:

We're already standing around in the kitchen, gabbing and blocking the sink, while the host is trying to get the party food ready.
  9:38pm Dean:

Get the fuck out of my kitchen. Jesus, doesn't anybody have manners?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:39pm chresti:

Wow, was she laughing or crying on the Teen fair?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45pm Franco Twinkie:

Dean, I operate on the low end. I have a Denon DRA-400 rescued from the junk pile at a repair shop. Suits me fine. I also have a Bogen RP60 at my moms house that's kaput at the moment, but I swear, will rise again.
Avatar 9:54pm Little Danny:

Dean, I recall you mentioning yer Linn Arkiv stylus. You might appreciate this oddball and its wooden tonearm that I use for 78s: audiokarma.org...
  9:57pm Dean:

That's a beauty! Fortunately, I haven't ventured into 78 territory, though I know there are respectable current options available!
Avatar 10:00pm Little Danny:

Oh hey everybody!
Avatar 10:01pm Little Danny:

Franco, chresti and Dean get the best seats tonight
  10:02pm Dean:

Settling in...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:02pm Franco Twinkie:

The train pulls in on time breathing fire!
Avatar 10:03pm still b/p:

Swaying and reaching toward heaven in the back pews!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06pm fleep:

Leaps onto the moving train, lands with a wet plop, skids up the aisle to the fifth row and takes a window seat. Hey Danny!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:06pm chresti:

Pervis! I love you!
Avatar 10:07pm Little Danny:

Hey still, hey fleep! All aboard!
Avatar 10:09pm Little Danny:

I'm with you, chresti
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:09pm Franco Twinkie:

Fleep, you get blasted this afternoon?
Avatar 10:10pm Kris Holmes:

Hey team
Avatar 10:10pm Little Danny:

Kris Holmes in the house. Hey mate!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:11pm coelacanth∅:

good evening Danny & cool Bleuets
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:11pm Franco Twinkie:

Kris! Did you bring the pizza chips?
Avatar 10:12pm Little Danny:

There's that beautiful Volvo with that beautiful ancient fish
Avatar 10:12pm Kris Holmes:

i brought nothing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:13pm fleep:

Franco, in all the time we've lived here, the house never shook from the thunder like it did today. But we have ways to stay really, really calm. And the cat was a trouper.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:15pm chresti:

I got to see a little flash in the morning and downpour at lunchtime, exhilarating
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:16pm chresti:

It was over by 3 in the afternoon PST
Avatar 10:16pm Little Danny:

Huh, never knew it was spelled "trouper." My grammar blogs are telling me you're right.

Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:16pm Franco Twinkie:

No Shit! KABOOM!!! I was painting a sign on the front porch, but dragged the whole operation into the house.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:16pm doctorjazz:

Hey all! Another audionerd here, Linn 'table and other high end stuff (but aging .. 25 year old amp and speakers, that need some refurbishing, sound is not what it should be (but refurbishing or replacing this stuff ain't cheap). Been into portable audio (headphones, amps, digital audio players). And, when I'm lazy, just use my phone.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:17pm chresti:

I thought trooper was also correct
Avatar 10:17pm Little Danny:

Hi Doc! I love the switch from audio decadence to audio stoicism in your scheme
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:21pm Franco Twinkie:

When it's not a biblical rain storm, I use an ancient Califone school record player run thru a Supro guitar amp for my lounge/work area outside.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:21pm coelacanth∅:

coincidentally doing audio equipment stuff most of the day today
  10:21pm Dean:

Best system I ever heard was all Linn. Yet I am suitably Linn-skeptical, too. Can't bear the portable trend, particularly the weird habit of sticking things in or on one's ears.
  10:23pm Dean:

Systems that didn't rate, should anybody care, included Wilson speakers, another with Krell amps. Meh.
Avatar 10:23pm Little Danny:

Fun distraction: wfmu.servebeer.com

Kinda bummed it doesn't reflect my extensive use of the Ethiopiques compilation series, but hey
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23pm coelacanth∅:

yeah i almost never use headphones. (except when i work on my own recordings) decent speakers are essential to me.
  10:25pm Dean:

Contra Anthony Cordesman, I believe speakers are perhaps the least important factor in a good system. Any good speaker is ... pretty good. A shitty amp will never rise to the occasion. And of course the source is all. I proved that (to myself) recently by replacing one cheap CD transport with another.
  10:26pm Dean:

That word cloud can't be right.
Avatar 10:26pm Little Danny:

Are you definitely looking at my show?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:26pm coelacanth∅:

David Bowie? more than anything else?
Avatar 10:27pm Little Danny:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm chresti:

Don't have a spectacular sound set up for listening online, other than head and earphones.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm Franco Twinkie:

We have Yamaha studio monitors in the living room that are pretty dead. If I was not such a lazy fuck, I would retrieve the Jensens from my moms house.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:27pm coelacanth∅:

i mean, it's possible, but it couldn't be by much.
Avatar 10:28pm still b/p:

I was gonna say...depending on which shows one listens to, some of the prominent names there are....unexpected.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28pm fleep:

The phone here gets paired up with Anker Bluetooth speakers, which pack a decent punch for their size. Conflicting entertainment streams (like A Star is Born with Janet Gaynor vs. this, right now) means a lot of headphone action.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:29pm coelacanth∅:

i have old genesis speakers. the last of their heavy, hardwood cabinets and a particular configuration with a passive radiator that i think is excellent. but the foam is in a bad way.
  10:29pm Dean:

Not seeing how to focus on one show. (This is a common phenomenon with UX designer folks. They don't bother to research how people actually view their data, and understandably so, because it takes a lot of work to do that research!)
Avatar 10:30pm Little Danny:

Huh yeah David Bowie does seem an unlikely top choice for FMU overall. Go to the DJs menu for more fun
Avatar 10:30pm Little Danny:

DJs menu, Dean
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:31pm coelacanth∅:

actually the 'stones being (tied for) second seems even more unlikely to me.
Avatar 10:32pm still b/p:

When people mention newest Star is Born and they've "heard" it's a remake, I take a silly pride in knowing the three earlier actor pairings.
  10:33pm Dean:

Old Genesis speakers?! Wow!

My faves have been Dunlavy SC-IV, but I love my old Audio Physic Spark III, too.

The DJs menu guides me to "DJ Profile," which suggests I can view information about the DJ, not the show. Nevertheless, Clear Blue Flame does not file there, nor does Little Danny. Folks, this requires thought.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:33pm coelacanth∅:

okay the individual shows seem more believable.
Avatar 10:34pm still b/p:

Uncle Michael throwin' down with a BIG ol' Merle Haggard dominating dramatically!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm coelacanth∅:

Les Baxter! okay i believe it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:35pm coelacanth∅:

(but again, not by that much)
  10:35pm Dean:

Goddammit, I hate technology. I have no problem reading manuals and learning, but I despise the jerk-offs who designed this miserable platform over which we consult each other. I hope Sir Tim Berners-Lee burns in hell.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:36pm Franco Twinkie:

Actually all this audio talk is pretty irrelevant to Chresti and myself. We both are on our way to been stone deaf from years of standing in front of the PA at the Whisky A Go Go.
Avatar 10:36pm Little Danny:

I love you Dean
  10:36pm Dean:

Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:38pm coelacanth∅:

i've gotta keep working on my system.
'almost done replacing my amp but there're only 4 inputs with rec-outs; i need 5. a have a switching selector...somewhere.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:38pm doctorjazz:

Pretty cool set, LD.
I stick those things in my ear every night, fall asleep with custom in ear monitors custom molded to my ears .. Heaven!
@Dean, it's all matching gear of course. An all Linn system has the advantage of already being matched. I use A Krell amp with Thiel speakers to good results, and have heard Krell amps diving Soundlab speakers producing fabulous sound (I'd need a nice inheritance for that system, though).
Avatar 10:38pm Little Danny:

re: your tech feelings
Avatar 10:38pm Little Danny:

  10:45pm Dean:

I always enjoyed Thiel speakers, but never quite took to them. Again, though, speakers aren't all that important. Many are very, very good. Krell amps, though -- I mean the coffee-table sized ones featured in the late '90s at Peter Singer's store in Manhattan -- are so-so. Hyped, in other word.

I've heard about custom molded earbuds, but still...in your ears? They have zero to do with reproduction of a live performance. They're merely pushing data into your ears, while when we attend live music the sounds fall upon our entire bodies. I really don't get it. (I'm also opposed to the 'reverse colostomy bag' nature of earbuds and headphones.)

You are exactly right about Linn and matching, which is a "duh" observation, but it doesn't drive the market, does it?
  10:48pm Dean:

(My "What?," by the way, was a weak attempt at humor in response to Franco's comment about being hearing-impaired due to attendance at live shows.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:50pm chresti:

Sounds good! Missed Flash.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:50pm coelacanth∅:

Thankful Evan's physically okay, anyway.
  10:51pm Dean:

You're only one hour earlier? I'm at 7:49. You?

Re: fidelity, you have it wrong. The "fidelity" of the source material is what it is, no more, no less (short of digital intervention). But a good 'table/arm/cartridge will expose information your system might not reveal, even given the quality of the disk.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:51pm chresti:

Oh, haha Dean!
  10:52pm Dean:

Rim shot
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:53pm Franco Twinkie:

Dean, If it was just The Bags and their ilk, I would be fine. But I've also been a carpenter for most my life. The power tools are the real culprit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:53pm doctorjazz:

What happened to Flash? He's OK, no?
Avatar 10:55pm Little Danny:

Oh Flash is fine, doc. His computer irrevocably bit it in the recent days however.
  10:57pm Dean:

Buddy of mine in Connecticut is a house/commercial building painter. It takes a toll.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:58pm Franco Twinkie:

I'm a broken man.
Avatar 10:59pm Little Danny:

I think I agree with you, Dean, but the poor production quality (is that better?) of some of my chosen 45s nonetheless puts a definite ceiling on my audiophile pursuits. Personal choice over here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:02pm coelacanth∅:

within a year after high school i'd bought a nice amplifier, a nice cassette deck, and a nice turntable. (i was using a heath kit tuner my father put together years before) -and i had absolutely shitty speakers.
so i saved around $5-600.00 for new ones and went to the store. i happen to get there when genesis had discontinued their entire line of hardwood speakers and the guy tried hard to get me into the new genesis, that were made of molded plywood of some sort. none of them sounded great to me, and they started at like $650.(?) i was about to leave and he mentioned the very last pair of the old genesis they had, which was kind of hiding somewhere. i plugged in to the same system i'd tried the others with & they sounded beautiful!. $450.00 for the pair. same ones i'm using right now.
  11:03pm Dean:

Question begging, I'm afraid. We don't know if the production quality is poor until we extract and play back as much of the information as we can. Obviously, it might be empirically correct to characterize the material you play as having generally been badly recorded. But we don't know if we're not optimizing the reproduction.

By which I mean, I want to spend ungodly sums of money on stereo equipment.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:03pm coelacanth∅:

  11:04pm Dean:

Heathkit, nice.
  11:05pm Ignore Function:

This was on the Out Where cd. I knew it sounded familiar.
Avatar 11:06pm Little Danny:

Ignore: thanks for remembering!!! Man, that warms my black heart
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:07pm coelacanth∅:

yeah i don't know how accurate my system's reproduction is, but i know when i like the sound.
a yamaha cd player sounds better than a sony. the sony receiver sounds better than the (considerably more expensive) denon i just replaced it with. my old teac sounded better than either of them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:08pm Franco Twinkie:

I look at re-engineered records on 8000 gram vinyl and think why would I buy such a thing? I only lust after oddball junk.
Avatar 11:08pm Little Danny:

Dean: You're wrong but so right and either way I would love to A/B some of my shit-fi 45s on your various stereo components.
Avatar 11:09pm Little Danny:

"South Bound Line" was recorded at Sam Phillips's Memphis studio and thus it sounds terrific
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:09pm coelacanth∅:

it does
Avatar 11:10pm northguineahills:

made it back!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:11pm Franco Twinkie:

This I must find!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:11pm doctorjazz:

Heathkits are supposed to be nice sounding(or were. . ).
It's probably better not to get the Audiophile bug. I think I did a better job filling in the missing details is my mind before getting the bug For instance, I had no problem listening to 1920s King Oliver and hearing /feeling the band with older recording tech and bad fidelity. Audiophiles tend to only want to listen to well recorded material
Avatar 11:11pm Little Danny:

NGH! Welcome brother
Avatar 11:13pm Little Danny:

Oh it's definitely better not to have the disease, doc
Avatar 11:13pm still b/p:

I've always had-- and have relied on for long product lifetimes -- standard medium low-end consumer stereo equipment. Still use Pioneer SX434 receiver bought in 1975, I think. When I finally had to replace old deteriorating KLH speakers after 20 years, one salesman said models in my price range should only be expected to last five years. I says, " Excuuuuuse me?" The Kenwoods bought at the time are now about 25 years old.
  11:14pm Ignore Function:

One of my most played premium CDs I've gotten, LD.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:15pm doctorjazz:

Lots of stuff now is made to self destruct.
Avatar 11:15pm Little Danny:

Ahhh thanks so much! I was (humbly) very satisfied with it, too, I.F.
  11:15pm Dean:

I'm telling you, there are brilliant technicians at work retrieving (and, admittedly, re-engineering) old opera recordings to amazing effect. Richard Caniell, Andrew Rose, Mark Obert-Thorn, Ward Marston... The results are shocking, not perfect, but quite beautiful.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:16pm doctorjazz:

On a 45 run, cool! And Chuck Willis sounds mighty fine here!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:17pm Franco Twinkie:

I remember going to this audio nerds house and having to suffer through a Peter, Paul and Mary record that was the pinnacle of cornball just because this person and his insufferable friends decided it was the ultimate test of what the fuck.
Avatar 11:17pm still b/p:

6 AM rise and drive drive time to attend third wake or funeral of Dec. - Jan.
Must say night all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:18pm coelacanth∅:

that shit should be illegal! a receiver could and SHOULD be made to last decades; and be made repairable. it's a crime against the planet that $500.00 devices are essentially disposable.
Avatar 11:18pm Little Danny:

A reluctant g'night, Still! But thanks, and good luck tomorrow.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:18pm chresti:

Goodnight still b/p
I finally got a day off tomorrow
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:19pm coelacanth∅:

'night s b/p
Avatar 11:19pm Little Danny:

extreme audiophiles often have the WORST tastes in music
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:19pm coelacanth∅:

oh shit - my condolences s b/p.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20pm doctorjazz:

I used to go to audio shows years back ... Every room was playing Paul Simon's Graceland or Jennifer Warnes' Famous Blue Raincoat, drove me batty (these were considered sonically the best demo records at the time)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:20pm chresti:

Agree to coel's comment both times
  11:21pm Dean:

"extreme audiophiles often have the WORST tastes in music "

Oh my god, yes. Jennifer Warnes singing Leonard Cohen. Bullshit recordings of whoop-ass orchestral crap nobody wants to hear.

OTOH, Little Feat's Waiting for Columbus is gorgeous.
  11:22pm Dean:

Bingo, doctorjazz. I'm so-so for Jennifer, never ever got Leonard. The album itself? Who cares?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:22pm doctorjazz:

(I would drive them nuts by asking to play a Willem Breuker Kollektief LP I'd bring along)
Avatar 11:22pm Little Danny:

I really wanna play my Singleman 45 right now.
Avatar 11:23pm Little Danny:

Hold on...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:23pm coelacanth∅:

i remember when i got "l.a.woman" for xmas when i was little and it sounded so good on my crappy stuff. my older brother the first time our parents were both out said let's put la woman on dad's stereo
oh man! i was too young for an orgasm but Wow!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:24pm Franco Twinkie:

When Little Feat recorded that record they were the Bruce Lee of boogie bands. They could slap your ass in a hot minute.
Avatar 11:25pm Little Danny:

Oof, sorry for the erratic levels. Records!
  11:26pm Dean:

Long ago I bought (with my own dollars) Zubin Mehta conducting the LA Phil's Holst Planets. It's one fucking beat-up LP in my collection. The sound is radiant.

I live two blocks from one of the engineers of that album, Franco. The original painting for the over hangs in his store. He has stories to tell.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:26pm coelacanth∅:

i deeply love a significant % of Leonard Cohen; but sonically? who cares! that's not what that music is about!
  11:26pm Dean:

Avatar 11:27pm Little Danny:

I stand with Coel
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:28pm Franco Twinkie:

So you told me. Next time I'm in Berkeley, I must bow down in it's presence.
  11:29pm Dean:

My only complaints about Leonard Cohen are 1) his lyrics, 2) his voice, and 3) his tunes. Other than that...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:30pm coelacanth∅:

i love this song.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:32pm doctorjazz:

I love lots of Cohen stuff too but it's definitely an either it grabs you or it doesn't kind of thing. Like Dylan Like Tom Waits.
Avatar 11:34pm Little Danny:

OMG Dean

But I still love you
  11:34pm Dean:

Except neither Dylan nor Waits is "an either it grabs you or it doesn't" for me. I selectively adore Dylan and Waits. Cohen? What's all the hoopla about? He has a schtick, as I hear him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:34pm doctorjazz:

Like this Singleman (which I love )!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:35pm coelacanth∅:

it sounded great!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:35pm fleep:

Cohen is a phase you go through, like Khalil Gibran or Ayn Rand. In time, if you're lucky, you get over it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:36pm doctorjazz:

Dean, you have to learn to express yourself. Let it out !You'll feel better.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:36pm coelacanth∅:

that's a traditional song though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:39pm coelacanth∅:

(actually composed by Michio Miyagi. otherwise entitled "sakura hensokyoku")
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:41pm doctorjazz:

In ears don't get the room sound like a good speaker system can, true But the room /soundstage information is there in the recording (if it's decent), you'd be surprised how much you still get. And the detail you hear on a good in ear is amazing .. Much more that all but the most expensive speaker systems .
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:41pm Franco Twinkie:

Dean, Who would drive across the county in a small car with, Leonard Cohen or Exene Cervenka? Please choose one.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:41pm chresti:

I haven't warmed up to Cohen, yet. Took awhile with Waits, I found him a bit schticky early on
  11:44pm Dean:

Detail is overrated with respect to live shows. Real live music doesn't produce "detail."

I'm no fan of Exene, either. In fact, I named one of my bands M in response to the silly X her band adopted. X. Really? You named your band X? I'm having a hard time thinking of any name more stupid.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:45pm coelacanth∅:

Waits is still pretty Schticky. i like most of his stuff that's not slow; and cringe at most of his stuff that is. (like most of his early stuff. a rare case of someone who got better in time)
Avatar 11:46pm Little Danny:

Hahaha that is so Dean
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:46pm coelacanth∅:

that band would've been at least okay if she never sang.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:47pm coelacanth∅:

(but i feel similarly about Grace Slick too)
Avatar 11:47pm northguineahills:

weird, I like all things Cohen. Pretty much most Dylan except which that started to creep into my lifetime, Waits, I love, but I won't die on that hill.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49pm Franco Twinkie:

Thank you. Before I posed the question I said to Chresti - watch this.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49pm chresti:

Heh. Loving this show and this song, thank you thank you LD!
  11:49pm Dean:

My take on Waits is that his early work was gritty enough to merit attention. Middle period got intriguing and exploratory, for lack of a better characterization. Later on, I sensed he was running out of *good* ideas, if not exactly ideas altogether.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:49pm coelacanth∅:

ngh, i think most if not all Cohen songs are good, if not great. the problem he suffered through over and over (and over) was producers with some crazyass ideas that didn't jive with Leonard himself most of the time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:50pm doctorjazz:

Detail isn't necessarily what you hear in concerts; I've never heard a stereo system that was anywhere close to a good live show They're all different animals imo. Heard Andy Statman this last weekend in a nice small room, good sound there, but I had a seat off to the left, balance not great Still loved it .
Avatar 11:50pm Little Danny:

Y'all are killing me right now

Leonard Cohen's voice, songs, and lyrics are the best. At least early on. Then it gets, um, trickier
  11:50pm Dean:

I'll repeat myself, but "Goddammit," listening to the music "from the good old days," this Harmonia, is an utter joy.
Avatar 11:50pm Little Danny:

Thank YOU chresti!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:52pm coelacanth∅:

well, Danny we have a team of 3 at least.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:53pm coelacanth∅:

Leonard let himself be manipulated a lot in the studio. i happen to like most of the bg voices on his first 3 albums, but he didn't. same with other embelishments. he hated most of it but let it slide.
Avatar 11:54pm Little Danny:

@coel: Maybe I'll wrap with something from Songs of Love and Hate just to be sassy
  11:54pm Dean:

See, doctorjazz! You're depicting the *live show* you attended in terms of audiophile bullshit like "balance" and such. Huh? Your job is not to hear the live show as you might have heard a good recording.

I have heard stereo systems that make me feel (almost) like I'm *there*, my own included. The question remains, what is "there"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:54pm doctorjazz:

Thanks Danny, great stuff , another bleary eyes Friday coming ..
Avatar 11:55pm Little Danny:

Coel is spot on re:Cohen
Avatar 11:55pm Little Danny:

Doc: thank you sir, happy to contribute to a rough Friday morning
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:55pm Franco Twinkie:

No dishes or noses were broken, so I guess we had a good time. Thanks for letting us crap up your house, Danny.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:56pm doctorjazz:

That's the point, that audio stuff (which I Do do) is a construct, one way of listening, but not the only way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:57pm coelacanth∅:

the brilliance of his lyrics are at least at the level of Dylan, much of the time.
"dress rehearsal rag" is an absolute masterpiece.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:59pm coelacanth∅:

Franco Twinkie, Clinical Psychologist.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:00am doctorjazz:

I'd go along with the Waits sequence, loved the early stuff, found the mix stuff (was it Ribot in guitar ) interesting, then lost interest. Like most Dylan (till his Christian time ,anyway), and Cohen
Night all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:01am coelacanth∅:

damn that snuck up.
Thanks Danny! Excellent program as usual.
sweet dreams y'all
  12:02am Dean:

Yeah, Ribot and Cohen et al. A nice time.

I'm mildly fond of the Christian Dylan, but for purely personal reasons. I was working a record store when Slow Train Coming emerged.
Avatar 12:03am northguineahills:

Howdy thanks, LD!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 12:04am coelacanth∅:

Avatar 12:05am Little Danny:

Thanks and luv to y'all. Loads of great discussion tonight; it's appreciated
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