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Recent News

I quit Instagram and Facebook and it made me a lot happier (CNBC, Dec 1): Christina Farr writes. "Getting off Instagram made me feel happier and lighter. I started to enjoy life's more mundane moments and take stock of what I have today - a great job, a wonderful community, supportive friends and so on. I could take my time and enjoy it rather than rushing to the finish line. In short, I started to feel happier and lighter."

How Instagram hides behind Facebook – and rakes in billions (Guardian, Dec 1). Remember to delete both Facebook and Instagram!

Marriott data breach hits 500 million guests (CBS News, Nov 30): "For about 327 million [people], the compromised information includes data such as names, mailing addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, passport numbers, Starwood Preferred Guest account information, date of birth, gender, arrival and departure information, reservation date, and communication preferences." See also the NYT story.

Mattress firm tells customers beds do not record them sleeping (Guardian, Nov 30): "Under a heading explaining which personal information Sleep Number collects, the company, which makes smart mattresses with adjustable firmness, said it 'may' collect 'audio in your room to detect snoring and similar sleep conditions' as well as sleep-related data such as 'movement, positions, respiration, and heart rate while sleeping'." The company's response: "Sleep Number’s products do not record audio. It was included in our privacy policy as we were developing a prototype with an auto-snore feature. That product was never launched and we’re working to clarify this in our policy statement."

WSJ Interview of Philip Krim, CEO of the online mattress seller Casper (Nov 21): "Eight hours will be the new 10,000 steps."

Google engineer calls for a walkout over China censorship and raises $200K strike fund in hours (BoingBoing, Nov 29): Liz Fong-Jones is at @lizthegrey.

The day Facebook’s boyish California charm ran out (The Star, Nov 27): "Much of the legislative scrutiny of Facebook has been focused on issues like protecting privacy rights and dealing with the proliferation of fake news. But these are mere symptoms. The disease is allowing companies like Facebook and Google to have such unchecked power."

Philippines journalist Maria Ressa vows to challenge tax fraud charges after arrest (Guardian, Dec 3). As past guest Siva Vaidhyanathan puts it: "This is what's happening in Duterte's Philippines. Remember: Zuckerberg loves Duterte, FB staff helped him run his campaign in which he promised to unleash bloodshed and destroy the rule of law, and FB has a deal with his government to lay fiberoptic cables in Manila Bay."



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Listener comments!

  6:00pm
melinda:

Hiya!
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ultradamno:

Hello Mark, Techattressphones!
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chresti:

Howdy!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hello, Chthonic techtonites!
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dale:

that photo yells 'sad trombone'
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Fredericks:

Ho, Techtides.
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Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonicians!
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Folsom:

we need the story about the guy hacking all the printers!
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geezerette:

Yo!
haha, hot seat!
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TDK60:

Hello from this aging techno-laggard....
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northguineahills:

So, Mark, your next marathon premium will be a commemorative plate techtonics?
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queems:

hey folks
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, everybody. Welcome to Techtonica!
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chris:

hey, Mark and folks.
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coelacanth∅:

hello Mark and techtonettes
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geezerette:

currently obsessed with "right to repair" movement.
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Webhamster Henry:

Not really news, but McSweeneys did a special edition#54 that fits in with this show called THE END OF TRUST.
store.mcsweeneys.net...
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geezerette:

loathe captcha. I know what they're up to.
  6:07pm
Dave from Brooklyn:

Hello technation. Thanks for the show Mark.
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Webhamster Henry:

The method of reCAPTCHA is that it gives you some stuff that it really knows already, and some stuff that it doesn't.
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Bas NL:

With you geezerette.. Found some Apple stickers in the trash today.. i saved them for recycling..
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dale:

i was notified that i performed the 5 billionth google search today and all i had to do was give my name and phone number to start the process of collecting my prize.
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ifeelfatnsassy:

Google bought reCaptcha in 2009.
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northguineahills:

There was a time, when I occasionally got animals w/ captcha, but that was maybe, four years ago the last time I remember.
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coelacanth∅:

i usually get motorcycles or street signs
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queems:

i hate that facebook owns instagram SO MUCH
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geezerette:

Hey, Bas! We're all caught in the possibly most egregious social engineering project ever, because it's global.
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Webhamster Henry:

Identify all the enemies of the state in this live feed.
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annie:

this is just my second time listening .... i'm hooked... SO Dave emory-like
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Webhamster Henry:

15% of the earth have gone to Marriotts?
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geezerette:

ALL my artist friends are constantly telling me to join Instagram. They think I'm nuts to resist. Horrifying.
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annie:

next time i get one of those captchas,iwill purposefully pick the wrong boxes
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geezerette:

Howdy, Annie!
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Webhamster Henry:

@annie, you know, I don't think a robot would actually do that!
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annie:

re:iphones..... i use a tracfone. hi geezerette!... my point,henry. i like to foil the monster
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Webhamster Henry:

@annie I'm saying if they want to tell real human activity, it would be not complying with the instructions!
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chris:

fortunately, marriott is providing free web watcher subscription... which of course now also has my info... sigh...
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dale:

in high school they said we were gonna have a permanent record. i sort of expected this.
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geezerette:

We're already at the point where non-participation in all this is actually impossible. You'd have to be a hermit in a cave.
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ultradamno:

Watch news channel, you'll see an ad for them without waiting too long.
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geezerette:

Dale, ha! :)
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dale:

the cloud is filled with snoring and passing wind.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I wonder if it senses when you have removed the tag?
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Webhamster Henry:

This is a basic flaw with licensing "agreements" . there's no way to amend them or to add a rider.
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geezerette:

haha..
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annie:

and THEN some,Dale
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chresti:

a snoring mattress
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TDK60:

1st time I hear about a "smart" bed AND they have audio recording? Geez, I can't keep up...
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Webhamster Henry:

Which is like my radical objection to Digital resource management: since copyright expires, how will you remove the DRM from your media?
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ultradamno:

I'm guessing an autosnore feature involves a severe electrical shock.
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coelacanth∅:

oh, you don't snore? we can help!
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annie:

this show helps me to dig that i am NOT paranoid
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northguineahills:

My instagram account is divorced from my FB account (throwaway email), and I never post or follow anyone.
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Bas NL:

Log in while asleep by snoring?
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dale:

the my pillow dude probably reads bible verse via a tiny pillow speaker so you become christian via osmosis.
  6:21pm
JeremyB:

the mattress story reminds of when iPhone was sharing your screen with Uber and they acted as if Uber was the only one.
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queems:

you can pry my fitbit off of my cold dead wrist
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annie:

i DO use twitter, but only through 2 pages on FB. had i known back then, what i know now.... well,i'd bein a cave
  6:21pm
herb.nyc:

Clay Pidgeon's mattress audio- "takka tatak".
  6:22pm
melinda:

@geeze I joined Instagram because it seemed like that's where people were sharing art. Art blogs are like ghost towns, it's sad.
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coelacanth∅:

counting your steps -benign. almost pointless, yes, but benign.
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dale:

presiden't council on physical fitness knows i couldn't do 50 sit ups when i was 12.
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queems:

@melinda same. i don't know where to post anything anymore
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northguineahills:

wait, people use pedometers to count steps? I just count the distance I've walked in the day. It isn't hard to estimate it w/o a pedometer.
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ultradamno:

The My Pillow dude sounds so much like Jesse Ventura that more than once I've heard his voice without looking at the screen and though "what's Jesse Ventura talking about now?"
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geezerette:

Melinda, totally agree.
  6:23pm
melinda:

I resent the gloppy goo of tech.
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geezerette:

SO MANY Trojan horses.
  6:24pm
SerpentStrike:

Hello, Techtons! Just checking in.
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annie:

wonder if it will develop into a thing that forces you lay still for a specific time before you can leave the mattress... shocking!!
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TDK60:

Good for her: LF-J.
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Bas NL:

Mark.. Your shirt just warns me your blood pressure is rising dangerously.
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coelacanth∅:

it wouldn't mean a damn thing unless everyone who could quit quit all at once.
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Webhamster Henry:

@annie like a live action version of OPERATION!
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dale:

refrigerators that tell you what you're low on and then order it for you for home delivery is the utmost in lazy-assed techies.
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geezerette:

"I am Spartacus."...y' know?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Should we sign up for the Informed Delivery system from the post office? They already had their data breach (60M accounts). www.idropnews.com...
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geezerette:

Ken, yikes!
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TDK60:

..there goes that boyish California charm....
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northguineahills:

CamAnal?
  6:30pm
Fragonard Chimielewski:

Check this out (re: Casper mattresses):

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/casper-navistone-lawsuit/
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listener james from westwood:

Been listening since the git-go but happy for the FIRE tonight!
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TDK60:

salute to such journalists; many die each year, for the truth.
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ultradamno:

If you need just one reason to quit Facebook, Duterte should be enough
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geezerette:

Ultradamno, no kidding!
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dale:

never had a smart phone. phones are for making phone calls. or so i thought.
  6:37pm
Bklyn Listener:

Not sure i could survive w/o the fmu app on my iphone
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TDK60:

Could/should I go back to a "landline"? with an answering machine?
  6:38pm
carrots:

can you get the wfmu app on a flip phone?
  6:40pm
Johnzon:

I check my email as soon as i wake up even tho I almost never get a real personalized email from an actual human i want to communicate with lol
  6:40pm
carrots:

can someone design a wfmu flip phone?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

@carrots - When I had a flip phone, I had no luck with the stream. I could use a PC to download an mp3 file of a show and transfer it to the phone. But no way to restart in the middle. If it was interrupted, had to start from the beginning of the show.
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northguineahills:

I never use my phone for email....I use it to look at the weather...., listen to WFMU, and text and call. So, WFMU is probably the only main reason I have a smart phone.
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coelacanth∅:

my phone is technically a computer ("smart phone") but i've never accessed the internet with it. (in fact i didn't know it was one when i bought it, as i told tracphone i just want a phone) i just got this because it was the least costly phone that i don't have to pay attention to -in regard to "replenishing minutes".
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TDK60:

..bring back telegraph?
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northguineahills:

I used my browser on my phone when stranded somewhere or waiting for someone and I forgot a book. But, I at least use the private mode.
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geezerette:

The pressure to conform without reflection is intense enough to turn us all into diamonds. (Which are not rare.)
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chresti:

Drums!
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Bas NL:

I'm always puzzled by what kind of information people feel the need for sharing instantly.
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dale:

all you people who listen on a phone app should just move. 90.1 comes in gangbusters here.
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melinda:

I have a flip phone but want to get a smartphone, while staying with no-contract service provider. I think that would provide an incentive to keep data usage low.
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queems:

i'm a millennial and i will admit that my phone is an extension of my hand
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melinda:

@dale haha!
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TDK60:

There could be technical ways of communicating without a center listening.. maybe more decentralized networks? there may be folks thinking about this.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I just remembered that last Thursday, at halftime of the NFL handegg game, they ran an informercial for that insipid Facebook Portal product. I walked away until it was over. I wonder how many goobers are going to buy one of those spying machines this gifting season.
  6:48pm
Daybreak, the Human:

I am a high school teacher and I have taught Brave New World many times. I’m glad Brian brought it up. It is important to this conversation.

The Soma and Social Media problem is that you can’t be happy or perfect all the time. Both of these are relative terms. If you’re always happy then happy becomes normal and normal is not happy. Happy is a special condition that is above/more preferable in that moment to normal. The same is true of perfect. It is impossible to be perfect all the time. The most we can do is get close. However on social media we are expected to be perfect constantly. If we are perfect constantly perfect becomes normal. If we then fail to be perfect we are failing to be normal. Worse, nothing in real life can actually meet that perfection because it’s impossible.
  6:48pm
JakeGould:

@BasNL: “I'm always puzzled by what kind of information people feel the need for sharing instantly.” The same information that is shared when you hang out with friends face to face.

Brian seems like he went through a lot, but as the resident contrarian, I say that the worst thing tech has brought us nowadays is easy access to log, track and accumulate data.

Sorry, but I hope Brian is happen now, but I don’t agree with a luddite perspective.
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melinda:

I currently use an iPod touch for WFMU app and other smartphone-like purposes.
  6:49pm
Daybreak, the Human:

Careful Melinda sometimes the exchange for no contract/low price is access to nearly all of your data.
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Folsom:

Mark should just put They Live pics on the page like "obey" and "consume"
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melinda:

@Daybreak I use Ting right now. How would I find out more about whether or no this is an issue?
  6:51pm
carrots:

thanks Ken!
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annie:

i absolutely HATE this tracfone..... good thing is ican turn it off.
  6:51pm
carrots:

gotta break out the walkman!!
  6:52pm
citrine:

preach mark! am always pleasantly surprised how light and communal this show makes something so sinister like big brother seem
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Webhamster Henry:

BTW have ever tried boiling a frog alive? I think they actually jump out most of the time.
Lobsters on the other hand... or claw.
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dale:

melinda - you could get an older smart phone from someone and just use it as a browser and camera when you are out and about to places with wifi.
  6:53pm
JakeGould:

And regarding the condescending comment about phone cameras, I get riled up by stuff like that. I like photography. I think I am a decent photographer nowadays. But mainly because I have been able to hone my skills via digital photography. I had my first digital camera in 1998 and was finally free without fear of the cost of film or developing. I moved up to a DSLR but then ditched it when I got an iPhone. I love it! A camera in my pocket all the time without having to carry gear all the time? Sign me up.

I was poor as a kid and didn’t have the luxury income to deal with film cameras back in the day. Digital photography democratized photography.
  6:54pm
JeremyB:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/uber-ios-app-entitlement-news/
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melinda:

@carrots I still have a walkman, and a landline!
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northguineahills:

My health insurance gives discounts to those that use their pedometer depending on how much you walk. Let's just say I'm too lazy to activate it (yet, I walk a lot).
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queems:

@jake YES I AGREE
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coelacanth∅:

and we can pee in the bed too. it'll be directed to a filtration system under the bed and pure water will be put into a clean glass next to the bed for the morning.
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Aitch:

We asked for 1984 ourselves, we actually buy it
  6:56pm
JakeGould:

@queems: Woo!
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melinda:

I do love having a phone in my pocket (iPod touch has one).
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annie:

i used to use an ipod touch,but it's gone out of date... wonder how to upgrade it
  6:56pm
SerpentStrike:

I will build you a wfmu flip phone!!!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hey I wrote the original WFMU app ... I use it all the time! In the good old days, there was a phooe number you could call to hear WFMU's signal!
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TDK60:

I didn't ask for 1984.
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Beast of Boonton:

I just got a set of smart switches
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geezerette:

Jake & Queems, yep, camera in pocket is great! It's a visual notebook for me.
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chresti:

Haha coel!
  6:57pm
jasper:

@Brian and Mark: interesting and important discussion for everyone to have with oneself. Great show!

I second Right to Repair and would like to add opening OS and firmware so community can support what manufacturers abruptly abandon.
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chris:

thanks, Mark!
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geezerette:

Thanks, Mark!
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Webhamster Henry:

A WFMU streams receiver is probably not too hard to assemble out of RaspberryPi bits and pieces.
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Brian!
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northguineahills:

domo arigato, techtonic roboto, mark!
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melinda:

@annie it''s interesting to me how few people use them, at least of my age. You are only the 2nd person I've met who used one.
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queems:

thank you mark!
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annie:

i love it when freinds' phones auto-dial my phone... i pick up and hear all sorts of goodies
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Webhamster Henry:

Right to repair is hard for new Apple devices because they use a lot of glue and soldered in parts instead of screwed-in and socketed parts.
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Aitch:

@tdk, embraced perhaps a better word.
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annie:

i loved it melinda....
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Webhamster Henry:

Hear ya next week!
  7:00pm
JakeGould:

@WebhamsterHenry: Well, not all Macs. And it’s not much different than other small devices. Gotta be fair here.
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chresti:

I'll give up my iphone when it can't be updated anymore. Thanks Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

i also didn't ask for 1984. i resisted digital media until there were no other options; i resisted using a computer until almost a year after my father gave me one, c.2008. even then i only used it to stream music for several years. i buy cars made before anti-lock brakes and etc etc...
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, great comments tonight. And nice job on the WFMU app, Webhamster Henry :) Everybody have a good week!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
  7:02pm
Daybreak, the Human:

@melinda you have to find the name of the company and (sigh)do an internet search for their data policy.
  7:08pm
James:

Raspberry Pi WFMU phone. I'd wanna work on a project if anyone else has the know how. Definitely can't do it alone though.
  7:09pm
Fragonard Chimielewski:

Yo! Del, I polka you in da nose!
  7:10pm
Fragonard Chimielewski:

Yo! Del! I polka you in da nose!
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