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Favoriting September 19, 2018: Aya Katz
This week:the girls on fire welcome Aya Katz, an ape language researcher with a PhD in linguistics, and the author of several books for adults and children. Aya adopted Bow, a chimpanzee, into her family and began teaching him literacy over a decade ago, and he has since learned to communicate effectively using English and Hebrew. Join Emily and Kimzilla as they talk with Aya about learning, linguistics, and what life is like living with an chimp!

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Listener comments!

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RomanDogBird:

oh wow
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ultradamno:

You drive me ape, you big gorilla
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dale:

ape shall never kill ape.
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Mark Hurst:

Hi Kimzilla & Emily!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:03pm
Mark Hurst:

Oh sorry... hi Emily & Kimzilla!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

'Evening, primates!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:04pm
dale:

i like jam. and jelly. and preserves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:04pm
common:

Hey all!
Avatar 7:04pm
Linda Lee:

great hearing you again! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:05pm
maestroso:

Hallo K & E! Hearing you loud and clear.
  7:06pm
Hypertoast:

I don't think there is a special name for them!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

This show is kind of relevant to me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:06pm
dale:

they're called chimpanzeds in canada.
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Linda Lee:

a baby chimp is an infant, apparently.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:07pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Call it a trump. Well, don't, actually.
  7:08pm
Emily:

Thanks Linda!!
  7:08pm
Emily:

Hallo everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:09pm
ultradamno:

Anyone else here old enough to recall Far Out Space Nuts, the Sid & Marty Krofft show in which everyone would spaz out whenever anyone would say bananas?
  7:09pm
Emily:

dale: no way—really???
  7:09pm
kimzilla:

An infant! Ooohhh, I guess that makes sense!
  7:10pm
Emily:

I don’t know that one, ultradamno!
  7:10pm
Marc15:

Good Evening, Lifers
  7:11pm
Hypertoast:

I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-Z...
  7:12pm
Emily:

@hypertoast
You finally made a monkey out of meeeeee
Avatar 7:13pm
Linda Lee:

actually think that one's after my time, ultradamno :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:13pm
Mark Hurst:

I love you, Dr. Zaius!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:13pm
dale:

why do people assume animals are 'dumber' than humans? because we wear clothes and use currency?
  7:14pm
kimzilla:

@Ultradamno, how do I not know that one? I know the One banana, two banana, three banana theme song, but that was for another show, right?
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Linda Lee:

the banana splits?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:15pm
ultradamno:

Gilligan (Bob Dnver) was in it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:15pm
dale:

was that jim nabors and ruth buzzi in that saturday morning show?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:15pm
ultradamno:

Not Banana Splits
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:16pm
ultradamno:

youtu.be...
  7:17pm
Emily:

@Mark this is the one and only Simpson’s reference I know.
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Linda Lee:

@dale ~ considering how we're fouling our own nest, we can probably argue the opposite.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:17pm
melinda:

This is interesting.
  7:17pm
kimzilla:

@ultradamno, yes! I loved that show, and Sigmund the Sea Monster!
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Mark Hurst:

If you have to choose just one, that's a good one. (Though I defer to Amanda N. on all Simpsons knowledge)
  7:18pm
Emily:

@Linda & dale
Right!
  7:18pm
Kate:

When Emily was young she had a hard time with French but she was a whiz at Japanese. So, sort of the reverse?
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dale:

fouling our nest - excellent.
  7:18pm
Emily:

@Mark so should we all...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:19pm
Tommy in Neversink:

My wife lived in Taiwan and speaks fluent mandarin
  7:19pm
dez:

evenin!!
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Linda Lee:

one banana, two etc isn't the banana splits?
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Webhamster Henry:

Too bad Emojis hadn't been invented yet!
  7:20pm
Emily:

@ Kate: still! I’m horrible at romance languages but Japanese is very intuitive to me—I haven’t tried to learn Mandarin, but maybe I should!
Maybe I’m just more primal...
  7:20pm
dez:

the importance of Sid and Marty Kroft is criminally under reported
  7:20pm
kimzilla:

@Tommy, did she learn just from being around others speaking Mandarin or did she learn formally?
  7:21pm
kimzilla:

Hi Dez, so true.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:22pm
ultradamno:

@Linda Yeah, that's definitely the Banana Splits theme, I thought you were asking if that was the show I was thinking of...
  7:23pm
Kate:

@ Emily You are definitely more primal. Strongly intuitive.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:23pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Any TV network executives here? Please give us a chimpanzee cooking show. (I mean chimps cooking things, of course.)
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Linda Lee:

right. i forgot the @kimzilla :-)
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dale:

WHY do we care that animals can learn our words for objects? they can exist in their own worlds - why force them to live in ours?
Avatar 7:26pm
Linda Lee:

it's about our desire to learn & explore, not theirs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:26pm
Dave in Vermont:

It isn't about forcing them into our world it is about learning how cognition works, especially with regard to language acquisition.
Avatar 7:27pm
Linda Lee:

'course their cognition isn't the same as our cognition..
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Linda Lee:

& it's likely a mistake to assume it is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:28pm
Dave in Vermont:

@LL maybe
  7:29pm
Emily:

This is a good conversation y’all are having—I’m very interested...
  7:29pm
Kate:

So are Chinese symbols lexigrams?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:29pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Lancelot Link should've published a book about his experiences in the Saturday morning entertainment industry.
  7:30pm
Emily:

I think my interest in it is wanting to talk with EVERYONE, regardless of their species, and hear about all their thoughts and how they feel about things and learn from them
  7:30pm
kimzilla:

@Ken from Hyde Park, I hear a marathon show idea, we just need the chimp, I’ll bring the pot.
  7:31pm
Emily:

@Kate I think so! The one symbol depicting a word—that’s my understanding.
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Webhamster Henry:

en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:31pm
Dave in Vermont:

maybe his language stopped evolving because he left the critical period
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

But Bow uses letters, not lexigrams.
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Linda Lee:

the faith that animals reflect us, like human children reflect human adults, might actually be a barrier to proper understanding.
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Linda Lee:

animals aren't our children.
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Dave in Vermont:

@WH she gave him words like "apple" but introduced them as lexigrams. So she gave him the whole word at once without breaking it down into component parts, letters. Only later did he break it down to realize that P was one separate part, letter. Chinese characters also have component parts that appear in other characters but represent meanings more than sounds.
  7:34pm
Kate:

To me, being able to communicate with animals, has shown us that they are capable of abstract thought and emotions, which is a relatively new idea.
  7:34pm
Emily:

@Linda that’s a really good point—I definitely know I have a tendency to way over-anthropomorphize
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Dave in Vermont:

@LL @ 7:34 (x2) agreed
  7:35pm
Emily:

@Kate exactly! To me too.
Avatar 7:36pm
Linda Lee:

hell they're probably better at abstract thought than we are, considering their consciousness isn't bound by words.
Avatar 7:36pm
Linda Lee:

words delineate the limits of consciousness. they don't express its full potential.
  7:38pm
Kate:

Linda, agreed.
  7:38pm
Hypertoast:

@Linda. That's a good point. They say whales have a much deeper emotional intelligence than us.
  7:38pm
Hypertoast:

no words to get in the way
Avatar 7:39pm
Linda Lee:

honestly, i'm more inclined to give the top intelligence prize to the animals that *don't* shit the nest.
Avatar 7:40pm
Linda Lee:

this is a serious issue at this point. it's no joke.
  7:40pm
Kate:

I think some people are threatened by the idea that animals can do those things because they feel it threatens our place as the superior beings on the planet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:41pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

There are some news headlines this week about parrots bartering tokens for food. They apparently understand how the values of various tokens can get them more/better food.
Avatar 7:41pm
Linda Lee:

as if we need help endangering ourselves..
Avatar 7:43pm
Linda Lee:

there is only one reason why we need to be 'superior' over other species on earth & that has to do with exploitation of natural resources for profit. that's it!
Avatar 7:44pm
Sean d:

Hung out with a baby lemur and a baby something I can't remember... but so cute when they are sleeping!
Avatar 7:45pm
Linda Lee:

the europeans approaching the americas had to view themselves as 'superior' to indigenous populations for the same reasons. superiority granted a right to exploit.
  7:45pm
Kate:

@Linda Lee so true.
  7:45pm
kimzilla:

@ken from Hyde park, I saw that! Did you see the video of the crows, that recycle?
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Linda Lee:

great job, people! beautifully done. :-D
  7:46pm
Kate:

we know so little, its hard to learn more when we think we know so much
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:46pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Ken/Hyde Park: Oh great, Pollycoin crypto currency!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:46pm
Dave in Vermont:

@Kate!
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Linda Lee:

absolutely right Kate!
  7:47pm
JakeGould:

FWIW, the Cheetah living to 80 (not 75 as Aya describes) has been proven as bunk. I used to believe this myself that’s why I know about this! “But in 2008 the animal’s biographer, American journalist Richard Rosen, discovered the cigar-smoking ape was in fact born in 1960 and had never been in a Tarzan film.”

www.telegraph.co.uk...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:47pm
Webhamster Henry:

www.animalequality.net...
New Zealand Legally Recognises Animals as 'Sentient' Beings

At the old Catskill Animal Sanctuary, there was the saddest Mandrill ever.
  7:47pm
Emily:

@KATE <3
  7:48pm
JakeGould:

“Though we mourn the loss of any family pet, John Sr. would have never gifted a primate to his worst enemy. He never owned one as a pet; found them very difficult to work with.” www.huffingtonpost.com...
  7:48pm
Kate:

oh Emily, do you remember the eye conversation you had with the gorilla you had at the Asheboro zoo?
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Linda Lee:

knowing the 'language' of apes would help you know what locking gazes might have said to the ape at the zoo. with many creatures you do not lock eyes unless you're mounting a personal challenge.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:48pm
Webhamster Henry:

Sorry : Catskill Game Farm! Catskill Animal Sanctuary is a fantastic place.
  7:48pm
JakeGould:

“There were many chimps that played the role of Cheeta,” says Devlen, “just as there were many dogs standing in for Lassie and Rin Tin Tin.”
  7:49pm
Kate:

You were a toddler. We quit going to the zoo not too long after that, made us both too sad.
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Linda Lee:

correct on the Animal Sanctuary.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:50pm
Webhamster Henry:

I wonder if Andy Serkis visited one of these language labs.
  7:51pm
Emily:

@kate no! I don’t remember! What happened??
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:51pm
ultradamno:

A Scientific American article on how octopi can communicate that I originally came by from the WFMU Twitter feed: www.scientificamerican.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:51pm
melinda:

That's true about psychoactive drugs and humans.
  7:52pm
Emily:

Man, octopi are SMART
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Sean d:

Legalize weed for all animals
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:54pm
melinda:

I heard that each of an octopus's arms has its own brain, so to speak.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:55pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hey you said Parroting #speciesist
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Linda Lee:

& they say anarchy (non hierarchical society) can't work, but there are societal systems everywhere that are non-hierarchical & they work very well. there always have been.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:55pm
ultradamno:

Cerebral 4WD!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:56pm
Travisano66:

I think the closer-related the animal is to us, the more right we have to anthropomorphize.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:56pm
melinda:

Emily I felt the same way too! My solution was to sleep with all my stuffed animals and rotate them so each one had a chance to sleep next to me and wouldn't feel left out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:56pm
Travisano66:

I think speciesism is okay in many situations.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:57pm
Travisano66:

Took the words out of my mouth. I'm sure eggs Benedict with a slice of human ass would be delicious. But I'm a vegetarian.
  7:57pm
Kate:

The two of you sat side by side with the zoo glass between you. You were afraid of him, so you looked at him out of the side of your eye. Then he did the same. Slowly you each turned your head a little more. Finally you reached one finger up to the glass, still side eyeing him, and he reached his finger up to the same spot on the other side of the glass, still side eyeing you.
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Linda Lee:

are you sure you wanna go there, ladies? ;-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

This is indeed Real Life! Animal consciousness needs to be in our consciousness.
  7:58pm
dez:

yea, that's a crime! No one is gonna cop to that on air!
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Linda Lee:

what a cool story, Kate!
  7:59pm
Kate:

@ Linda Lee LOL
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:59pm
ultradamno:

A friend of mine in school lived on a farm and his dad complained that pigs were stupid because they would run when they were about to be slaughtered
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:59pm
Vanessa bikes:

I know a Zombie apocalypse survivalist, I will ask if they would be willing to talk to you!
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