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Favoriting September 10, 2018: Episode 50: Recap of the first year!

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This week: recap of the first year! Episode 50 of Techtonic, finishing the first year of the show, with a clip from every guest so far.


Above: The books that informed the first 50 Techtonic episodes (and two Skeptech events in Monty Hall).

Recent Tech News

Before we get to the recap...



Americans are changing their relationship with Facebook (Pew Research, Sep 5): "42% of Facebook users, ages 18 and older, say they have taken a break from checking the platform for a period of several weeks or more, while around a quarter (26%) say they have deleted the Facebook app from their cellphone."

It's Time to Break Up Facebook (The Verge, Sep 4): "The easiest way to do it is to start by breaking off WhatsApp and Instagram so those are separate companies," says Tim Wu. "It is true that bigness is a curse and leads a company to become doddering and bad. But the mythology and the problem is assuming that these companies sort of automatically go away. AT&T had a monopoly for 70 years..."

Can Mark Zuckerberg Fix Facebook Before It Breaks Democracy? (New Yorker, Sep 17 issue): Evan Osnos writes: "I found Zuckerberg straining, not always coherently, to grasp problems for which he was plainly unprepared... including the meaning of truth, the limits of free speech, and the origins of violence."

How Duterte Used Facebook To Fuel the Philippine Drug War (BuzzFeed News, Sep 4): Great long read by Davey Alba. "Last November, Facebook partnered with the Duterte government to build an undersea cable system that would connect Philippine internet systems to the rest of Asia and the US... virtually every Filipino citizen with an internet connection has a Facebook account. For many, Facebook is the only way to access the internet. Which is pretty much how Facebook wants it."



Google’s Empty Chair Gets Starring Role at Hearing (WSJ, Sep 5): "Alphabet, Google’s parent company, declined to send Chief Executive Larry Page to appear at the hearing, where U.S. senators grilled Facebook Inc. Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg and Twitter Inc. CEO Jack Dorsey about issues including Russian meddling, online privacy and political bias on tech platforms." See also this summary of the hearings (WaPo, Sep 5).

Google and Mastercard Cut a Secret Ad Deal to Track Retail Sales (Bloomberg News, Aug 30): "It works like this: a person searches for 'red lipstick' on Google, clicks on an ad, surfs the web but doesn’t buy anything. Later, she walks into a store and buys red lipstick with her Mastercard. The advertiser who ran the ad is fed a report from Google, listing the sale. ... 'People don't expect what they buy physically in a store to be linked to what they are buying online,' said Christine Bannan, counsel with the advocacy group Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC). 'There's just far too much burden that companies place on consumers and not enough responsibility being taken by companies to inform users what they're doing and what rights they have.'"

Are New York's Free LinkNYC Internet Kiosks Tracking Your Movements? (The Intercept, Sep 8, by Ava Kofman). "The plan to blanket New York City with 7,500 camera-equipped obelisks has been largely underwritten by the company formerly known as Google — a corporation whose business model depends on selling your personal information to advertisers." See also this Guardian piece from Aug 2017.



Amazon’s Antitrust Antagonist Has a Breakthrough Idea (New York Times, Sep 7): "Amazon has more revenue than Facebook, Google and Twitter put together, but it has largely escaped sustained examination. That is beginning to change, and one significant reason is Lina Khan." She writes: "The long-term interests of consumers include product quality, variety and innovation — factors best promoted through both a robust competitive process and open markets." Also don't miss how the NYT describes the research paper by two former FTC officials arguing fiercely against Khan: "Amazon itself could not have made the argument any better. Which isn't surprising, because in a footnote on the first page, the authors noted: 'We approached Amazon Inc. for funding... and we gratefully acknowledge its support.' They added at the end of footnote 85: 'The authors have advised Amazon on a variety of antitrust issues.' Amazon declined to say how much its support came to in dollars."

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  Mark's intro    
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  Recap of first year, part 1    
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  Scott Heiferman excerpt       0:30:20 (Pop-up)
  Vicki Boykis excerpt       0:30:01 (Pop-up)
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  Nir Eyal excerpt       0:29:46 (Pop-up)
  Kirby Ferguson excerpt       0:30:08 (Pop-up)
  Steven Levy excerpt       0:30:41 (Pop-up)
  Mark reads Botnik's Harry Potter - excerpt       0:31:32 (Pop-up)
  Ken Freedman excerpt       0:31:56 (Pop-up)
  Jace Clayton excerpt       0:32:08 (Pop-up)
  Jonathan Taplin excerpt       0:32:45 (Pop-up)
  Scott Williams rec       0:34:09 (Pop-up)
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  Yong Zhao excerpt       0:37:23 (Pop-up)
  Recap of first year, part 2    
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  Dylan Curran excerpt       0:41:18 (Pop-up)
  Henry Lowengard (aka Webhamster Henry) excerpt       0:41:47 (Pop-up)
  Catherine Price excerpt       0:42:28 (Pop-up)
  Len Sherman excerpt       0:42:39 (Pop-up)
  Corey Pein excerpt       0:43:11 (Pop-up)
  Anya Kamenetz excerpt       0:43:35 (Pop-up)
  David Sax excerpt       0:44:00 (Pop-up)
  Felix Salmon excerpt       0:44:25 (Pop-up)
  Meredith Broussard excerpt       0:38:23 (Pop-up)
  Andrew Keen excerpt       0:45:50 (Pop-up)
  Brett Frischmann excerpt       0:46:15 (Pop-up)
  John Keating excerpt       0:46:31 (Pop-up)
  Siva Vaidhyanathan excerpt       0:47:03 (Pop-up)
  Mobile Steam Unit excerpt       0:47:27 (Pop-up)
  Jaron Lanier excerpt       0:47:58 (Pop-up)
  Paul Ford excerpt       0:48:18 (Pop-up)
  Dr. Robert Epstein excerpt       0:48:45 (Pop-up)
  Matt Warwick excerpt       0:49:06 (Pop-up)
  James Bridle excerpt       0:49:32 (Pop-up)
  Ali Latifi excerpt       0:49:54 (Pop-up)
  Recap of the first year! Episode 50 of Techtonic, finishing the first year of the show, with a clip from every guest so far.


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Listener comments!

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listener james from westwood:

Now there's a damn good curriculum for a semester of tech caution.
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Linda Lee:

Mark! good evening! looking forward to the show!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
ultradamno:

Hello Mark, Techtopi!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark and Techtoniphiles!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Michael 98145:

what james just said
  6:02pm
Roland from Australia:

Whooo online in Aus looking forward to the show today
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
listener james from westwood:

Congrats on both landmarks!
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Linda Lee:

Techtonic's Greatest Hits :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Techtonic L! Half-way to Techtonic C!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry:

A tonic for the Techerati!
Avatar 6:04pm
Bas NL:

Wow! Happy fiftieth!
  6:04pm
melinda:

Hi all
Avatar 6:04pm
herb.nyc:

hi hi. mark used the l-word, LOVE. uh, i love the show as well, BUT IM NOT GONNA MARRY IT!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Dave in Vermont:

congrats on a year, Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

You can be in the WFMU Friendship Society - which is nothing like the FB Friendship society!
Avatar 6:06pm
Linda Lee:

Mark, you're our mother bird regurgitating all that reading material for our nourishment. :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Fuzzy:

A year gone by already -- yowza!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Rich in Washington:

I saw that tweet too! I thought it was spot-on!
Avatar 6:07pm
herb.nyc:

is facebook like those last few months of movie pass?
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northguineahills:

So, in 15 years. there will just be one page left on FB?

Congrats on the year, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
listener james from westwood:

It's down to tracking birthdays and abetting genocide.

Facebook, not Blockbuster.
Avatar 6:07pm
Linda Lee:

high time for a viable alternative to FB to show itself!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
coelacanth∅:

hello
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Phil with the phone:

we did it, plates
Avatar 6:08pm
Bas NL:

Paleobloggists will be delving though the WFMU comments with a laser brush in a few aeons..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
chris:

i'm one of those people. hi, Mark and folks.
Avatar 6:08pm
northguineahills:

I never had the app on my phone, and only used FB maybe once a week, if that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Webhamster Henry:

Facebook is heading toward Friendsterdom.
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Linda Lee:

deletefacebook.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Michael 98145:

Mybook and Facespace.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
coelacanth∅:

thank you ronald reagan for making all these problems possible.
Avatar 6:10pm
herb.nyc:

70 years?! oy. (we're talking human years?)
Avatar 6:12pm
northguineahills:

FaceBookster
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RomanDogBird:

ZUCK SUCKS
Avatar 6:13pm
Linda Lee:

amazon itself is a serious problem as well. actual slaves were better treated than amazon workers. at least slaves had living quarters. amazon workers are among the homeless.
Avatar 6:13pm
Bas NL:

Ah.. that Greater Good chestnut again..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Facebook > /dev/null
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
listener james from westwood:

This by the creator of the Caligula of websites.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
chris:

FaceSpacester?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Fuzzy:

fug zuggerbug
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
ultradamno:

Render unto Zuckerberg what is Zuckerberg's
Avatar 6:15pm
northguineahills:

Caesar August is a fascinating character, but not someone I would admire. I see FB as more of a Commodus of website....
Avatar 6:16pm
Linda Lee:

@ultradamno ~ indeed. the sooner the better.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Michael 98145:

( ... if you can't sleep tonight : archive.org... )
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
listener james from westwood:

I want a tech founder who idolizes Brian Blessed as Augustus.
Avatar 6:20pm
Linda Lee:

Mark, may we have a reading list please? i can't see all the titles!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
mrdonutsu:

Google not helping the US Military develop AI? I'm outraged!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

We need someone to hack the library database and reveal Mark's borrowing information.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Rich in Washington:

ruh row! The stream went down here. Google is listening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Rich in Washington:

It's back now. Hilarious timing, though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Rich in Washington:

I want a tech founder that idolizes August Darnell.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Webhamster Henry:

Our library system doesn't save your borrowing history on purpose exactly to avoid data breaches like that!
Avatar 6:25pm
herb.nyc:

was SCOTT GALAWAY (sp?), nye faculty, ever a guest?
Avatar 6:26pm
Linda Lee:

streaming's fine for me
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herb.nyc:

oops, i meat GALAWAY of NYU
  6:26pm
bore:

why the hesitation to break with amazon?
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Linda Lee:

seem to remember him on the show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Mark Hurst:

Scott Galloway - I've featured him (in audio clips) on past shows, but he hasn't been on the show yet. We'll see :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Webhamster Henry:

Will there be a playlist of these excerpt quotation authors?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Rich in Washington:

When my missus was working at our library, the head of our public library system was a fierce privacy advocate, even during the big Homeland security, post 9/11 era privacy crackdown.
She ended up getting replaced by someone more compliant and my wife quit to work in public education.
Avatar 6:28pm
Linda Lee:

shame we don't have names for all the voices.
Avatar 6:29pm
Linda Lee:

we're crackin the whip here Mark. reading list, playlist .. :-)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
ultradamno:

Had no problem with the stream via the app.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

You can play the Jolly Roger every week as far as I'm concerned.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
listener james from westwood:

OMG, the scam spammer!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I hope there's a quote about the bee.
Avatar 6:32pm
herb.nyc:

thx, mark - my marketing friend highly regards scott galloway
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
ultradamno:

Speaking of scams, it's been too long sine we had a scam roundup with station manager Ken
  6:34pm
Peter from Dover NJ:

Wondering why more people don't go to Diaspora - supposedly a more private alternative to FB. Your thoughts?
Avatar 6:34pm
Linda Lee:

concepts of how tech is 'supposed' to work might not be best served by the auto analogy..
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
listener james from westwood:

That Freedman guy!
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Linda Lee:

Diaspora? see, there's an issue right there.
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northguineahills:

Yeah, who is that Freedman guy?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
listener james from westwood:

@Linda Lee: Especially since it's been possible for some time to hack cars' software and hardware.
  6:36pm
b:

hi FMUsters — — u'all twisted souls "may" enjoy these on my LinkedIn http://bit.ly/BenEmersonARTicles

E.g.,
"F@C3B0OK I$ D3@D"

"TW1TT3R IS D3@D"

"Hire Digital Aboriginals Instead — "

"Remediating Social Media"

"Is it Too Late for Digital to Turn Itself Around?"
—Ben
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Webhamster Henry:

"Ron's Ron shirt was just as bad as Ron himself."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Fuzzy:

Doo-wop-oly?
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Bas NL:

If people just avoid anything shown in the advertisements...
Avatar 6:38pm
Linda Lee:

entire reliance on fossil-fuel powered vehicles is just suicidal at this point. .. the entire combustion engine technology belongs in the shit pile at this point.
Avatar 6:39pm
Linda Lee:

have to avoid clicking, Bas. what we do once we click isn't really material.
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Linda Lee:

that's aside of how our online behavior is being monetized .. which is where most of FB's money comes from now. we don't have to do anything but be there.
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Bas NL:

I just finished the excellent book 'Touch' by Courtney Maum.. recommended.
Avatar 6:41pm
Linda Lee:

thanks for the names Mark.
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Linda Lee:

thank you Bas!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Webhamster Henry:

Evidently, Mumford's Technics and Civilization is well worn.
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Bas NL:

@Linda Lee.. Ha, yes.. mmm.. we'd better stop doing anything of interest..
Avatar 6:44pm
Linda Lee:

like most addictions, the addictive activity wins by default when there's nothing quite as compelling going on otherwise.
@Bas NL ~ best to log off totally, really :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
coelacanth∅:

(and we know shooby taylor)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Webhamster Henry:

Ooh it's me -- I must have invented time travel.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
coelacanth∅:

that image should be a gif where they all then stumble down the stairs
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BigCat:

@ddictions are fun — what's wrong with addictions?
just hafta choose the ones that don't kill you, or others
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
listener james from westwood:

In-app game purchases make me want to kick in my drywall. I just. Want. To. Download the game. Once.
Avatar 6:48pm
BigCat:

duz any1 visit adabusters.org ??
show of Hans please....
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Linda Lee:

nothing wrong with addictions that enhance your life. problem is, the enhancement is generally delusional.
Avatar 6:49pm
northguineahills:

I technically met my now wife randomly on MySpace.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
listener james from westwood:

This happened a few days after I left my job in the same former Port Authority building in Chelsea, in 2007, when Google only owned a couple of floors therein: Escaped snake! gawker.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
ultradamno:

Just when I had completely forgotten that Laurel controversy.
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Linda Lee:

in the meantime you're supporting a Zuckerberg..
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Linda Lee:

.. who clearly has his own addiction issues.
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BigCat:

cr@sh cr@sh
cr@sh
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herb.nyc:

i recognize JARON LANIER's voice - i could listen to him on & on. (wait, i've never read any of his books. browsed thru one, however)
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Linda Lee:

there's Citizen Matty!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Webhamster Henry:

Matt needs to come back.
Avatar 6:53pm
BigCat:

first-timer here
this chatboard is addictive,
you guyz are fun [cirrus-lee]
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herb.nyc:

i recognize MATT WARWICK's voice. oh matt matt matt... (said like felix to oscar)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chris:

looking for an ad blocker, BigCat? i'm happy with uBlock origin
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Smokestack:

Well done, Mr. Hurst
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
ultradamno:

I agree that Mark-Matt make a great team.
Avatar 6:55pm
herb.nyc:

addictions - KIKI, of KIKI AND HERB, says this: "smoking keeps me focussed". (ya gotta hear the way she says it)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Fuzzy:

ublock origin + cookie autodelete = doubleplusgood
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
ultradamno:

And the sampled Kimzillachi (with Emily) come back this week
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Linda Lee:

at one time i mastered the art of taking a shot of heroin & a hit of crack at the same time. i was super focused for sure.
Avatar 6:57pm
BigCat:

Linda Lee letz afterparty
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
David D:

Great recap show, thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
ultradamno:

I'm not at all sure how that "chi" suffix got attached to Kimzilla's handle up there
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chris:

we appreciate you, Mark. glad you're still on the schedule. we need this kind of show.
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Linda Lee:

i'm too boring now, dear. you wouldn't enjoy it :-D
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BigCat:

B FE@RLESS MARK!!

not ear-less lol
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Bas NL:

Mark, you're a natural.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
listener james from westwood:

Looking forward to the next 50! You do important, vital work. Thanks!!
Avatar 6:59pm
northguineahills:

bravo, Mark, thanks!
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herb.nyc:

mark - you be one dang good techmology host, and interviewer. you are very very insightful. thank you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Mark just said "Yanni." When that thing plays, I hear "Laurel."
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Linda Lee:

thanks much Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Webhamster Henry:

The techtonic premium should be a white and gold dress. No, a blue and black dress.
Avatar 6:59pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Fuzzy:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
ultradamno:

Thanks Mark, looking forward to more through fall/winter
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Mark and board members!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Michael 98145:

thanks again, Mark H
  7:02pm
kimzilla:

Great show!
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