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Favoriting June 11, 2018: Brett Frischmann, co-author, "Re-Engineering Humanity"

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This week: Brett Frischmann, co-author (with Evan Selinger) of the new book Re-Engineering Humanity.

Pointers to Brett's work:

@BrettFrischmann on Twitter

Brett's page at Villanova, where he is professor in law, business, and economics

Book site for Re-Engineering Humanity - also on Indiebound

Recent tech news:

"I'll call the police," say new techie scooters in Oakland if you touch them without paying.

Net neutrality expired today (good explainer from WaPo)

"Zuckerberg lied to Congress," says David Carroll, professor at Parsons. My suggestion is that we just charge them the $3.4 trillion they owe for violating the consent decree (see Jason Kint's calculation), liquidate the company, and use the proceeds to build a citizen-owned, non-addictive, democracy-respectful social network."

• Speaking of which, project I need to look into: Platform.coop, supporting platform co-ops.

Big Tech's re-engineering of humanity is not inevitable. So don't give up. Mar Hicks writes, "Technofatalism isn't logical; it's a highly destructive failure of imagination & unwillingness to resist the status quo. It's the sullen twin of technophilia. Both assume tech can & will determine society. It's not that simple. We have a fighting chance. But we have to fight."

Brilliant, spot-on video about Facebook from The Daily Show, imagining Facebook as a bar.

Venture capitalist Fred Wilson has unplugged his Alexa. "If anyone in our house is uncomfortable with devices listening to our conversations, I don’t want to subject them to that. . . This raises a broader question about these voice devices which is whether the value they offer outweighs the creepiness they create in the home. For us, the answer has been a resounding no."



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  Turning humans into robots: Brett Frischmann, talks about his new book "Re-Engineering Humanity," co-authored with Evan Selinger.
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Favoriting Machinarium Soundtrack   
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  Mark's intro      
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  Interview with Brett Frischmann      
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  Your calls and comments 201-209-9368      
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Xordox  Diamonds   Favoriting Neospection  this song on bandcamp 
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Listener comments!

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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi all!
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Rich in Washington:

Hello, Techtonicites!
  6:01pm
Warren in Australia:

All ears.
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Buffalo's Tom:

Hello, everyone!
  6:03pm
melinda:

Howdy Techtons
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dale:

i'm having a gin and techtonic as we speak.
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ultradamno:

Panicky Scooters, would be a good band name.
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Jeff Moore:

Fuck you, douchebag scooter.
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dale:

i'd call a johnnycab instead.
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Carmichael:

I would astral project instead.
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ultradamno:

Would you get charged with scooter molesting?
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Michael 98145:

Scooter Anxiety Disorder
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Carmichael:

What if you're just sniffing?
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dale:

www.youtube.com...
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Rich in Washington:

there was just a story up here in the Portland area about those scooter companies coming up here, with condo-commandos being able to dump the scooters willy nilly.
I wonder if the voice thing is also to deter people from picking them up and dumping them in the streets, as I have heard people say they will do if they, like in SF, find them blocking doors, etc.
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Jeff Moore:

Fuck you, douchebag comically large Reese's coffee cup wielding telecom shill.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Happy Techtonicities, all!
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Jeff Moore:

"Shared"
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northguineahills:

Gamera! Gamera!
Gamera is really neat!
Gamera is filled with meat!
We've been eating Gamera!
  6:12pm
matt:

twitter, facebook, tumblr, Instagram and linkedin are all bored (and boring) white people?
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northguineahills:

(apropos of nothing)
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northguineahills:

Leaving work at a sane hour, catcha near the end at home!
  6:14pm
melinda:

@Jeff I like your style
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ultradamno:

I don't know but if it still does it but Comcast/Xfinity's Twitter-bot was real aggressive about claiming the company was in favor of net neutrality (including contradicting posts pointing out the lie of it) while they lobbied against it.
  6:18pm
melinda:

The creepy factor is huge, I draw the line there.
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Jeff Moore:

"What are you doing to do with yours?"

I've never had one, because they're an obviously bad idea.
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geezerette:

Sales resistance is a valuable skill.
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herb.nyc:

Those Alexa devices, ugh. the wnyc people often say "tell yr speaker ..." to preface an ad. Not ad, product placement.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
listener james from westwood:

ngh bringing the mst!
  6:21pm
Johnzon:

Listening to the show on the bus Heading back to Detroit from a protest in Lansing
https://www.poorpeoplescampaign.org/
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Buffalo's Tom:

I'm not yet that lazy wherein I need to be able to bark orders at an ever-listening presence to get through the day.
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ultradamno:

Bluetooth speakers like Riva is as close as I get. The appeal of asking a virtual personality to basically search google for me mystifies me.
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geezerette:

Teach your children to read paper maps. It's empowering and fun.
  6:25pm
WebHamster Henry:

Are others hearing the left channel? I’m not.
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Rich in Washington:

I hear both channels.
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Rich in Washington:

I'm listening on a mixer with a pan pot and it sounds about equal in both channels.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone! Thanks for the comments. WHHenry, I hear both channels here in the studio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Rich in Washington:

one of the fun things about texting people in the same room, party, event, etc., is you can talk in a manner where whispering would be necessary, but polite.
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Rich in Washington:

impolite, I meant.
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ultradamno:

Eye contact, vocal tone, gesturing, little things like that
  6:29pm
melinda:

Texting people in the same room is weird.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Mark Hurst:

Rich - to be provocative - how did people manage to navigate dicey social situations for 1000s of years before texting?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Tommy in Neversink:

NO ..it IS dehumanizing to be texting with your girlfriend in the same room..in fact , it's bizarre
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geezerette:

@Ultradamno: Exactly, all the natural ways in which we've evolved to "read" each other.
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Michael 98145:

sort of like passing notes in class. in an empty classroom.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

ImI just going to wait for the chip they plant in your brain. Not going to sit there barking out orders to a speaker like a sucker!
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geezerette:

Comply or leave.
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Mark Hurst:

Frischmann's book makes a strong case that doing these little things, "what does it matter?" over time normalizes the behavior of just doing whatever the tech cos want.
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Michael 98145:

i used to feel weird on the bus to -not- be staring at my phone screen
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Johnzon:

I'm with you Ken...
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Rich in Washington:

MH: For some reason, I am picturing European aristocrats using their folding fans to cover their mouths as they make fun of their host, guests, etc.
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Jeff Moore:

When you discuss Terms and Conditions (accepting thereof without reading) it's impossible not to think of the South Park HumancentiPad episode:

en.wikipedia.org...
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geezerette:

Anyone else remember H.G. Wells "The Time Machine"? The fate of people in the future? Their total, thoughtless passivity? They were actually cattle.
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Mark Hurst:

Yes - and with monocles!
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Rich in Washington:

I've been, as an exercise, NOT staring at my phone when in a public place, business, etc., while waiting for something. It's really weird. I imagine people wonder why I am staring off into space, acknowledging people's presence, etc.
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Michael 98145:

@gz'ette, and they were tasty!
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geezerette:

ha! Michael!
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Michael 98145:

sadly, my career choice has led me to identify with the Morlocks
  6:42pm
melinda:

I can sort of see texting as a way to avoid being heard, but the person in question here didn't offer that as an explanation, they didn't really know why they were doing it.
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Dr. Peter:

Great interview
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geezerette:

Most of us would, if they knew what those were.
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ultradamno:

I would like to propose supermarkets become a tech free zone. When you are in the dairy aisle, buy some cheese or move on, stop milling about staring at your devices, I have things to do!
  6:43pm
JakeGould:

A good name for a hair salon near a college campus would be “Terms and Conditioners.”

Just increased the noise ratio! *rimshot* *drunk shouting me down in the back* *howls* *howls* *homeless person shouting* *howls*
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Buffalo's Tom:

I love the BBC for those reasons among others.
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listener james from westwood:

Amazing DIY WFMU-related constructions:
• Archives
• Free Music Archive
• Playlists & message board
• Mobile app
• Audience Engine
• Irwin's triple-walled environment tank
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Michael 98145:

what listener james just said
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Phil with the phone:

@JakeGould What about Perms and Conditioners
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JakeGould:

@Phil: COLLEGES HAVE TERMS!!!
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geezerette:

My worst fear concerning today's topic is that imagination is beginning to atrophy, by design.
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chris:

hi, Mark and folks. great thought provoking questions tonight.
  6:48pm
JakeGould:

@geezerette: But aha! There is the rub… The one thing all pundits agree on is abstract thought and ideas will be more and more valued even with AI. So there you go.
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Listener John from NJ:

NOTE RE: Cellphone use:"Ten percent of people admit to checking their phones during sex, according to a study released from SureCall, a manufacturer of cellular signal boosters." www.wxyz.com...
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JakeGould:

@ListenerJamesFromWestwood: What about Daddy Garbage’s lava lamp collection?
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chris:

being human is much of the time in conflict with technology. where humans are explicitly imperfect, technology is usually desired to be the opposite. however, i would hate to live in a world where tech didn't exist to let us know what Hawkins was thinking.
  6:49pm
hoeg:

Hi Mark and people, podcast listener checking in live for a change.
I use my sansa clip, it makes sound and doesn't distract me with anything else ;-)
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listener james from westwood:

Chip shmip. Anyone who's encountered some semi-literate MAGA-chud friend of a friend bloviating on your FB posts knows the unmoderated brain-to-FB connection is already working at damn near supralight speed.
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Michael 98145:

PK Dick was a prophet
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geezerette:

Ha ha ha! @Mark! :D
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chris:

as is your neighbor to the north, Bill Gibson, Michael.
  6:50pm
Johnzon:

socialism. A homeless man once described a socialist to me as someone who wants what is best for the largest number of people. I'm not talking about the various versions of socialism that have failed or succeeded to varying degrees in the past, but a democratic modern version designed by and for the people. Put technology to work for all people, not the few. We can avert ecological disaster and lift our species out of poverty etc. but it will take a revolution because those in power, who control the technology, will not give up their power easily.
  6:51pm
melinda:

I like being the weird one staring into space.
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JakeGould:

Here is anecdote about the NYC subway… I wanted to watch a TV show on my iPhone but had no headphones. I looked around and realized the subway car was mostly empty and most people had headphones on… SO IF I JUST PLAYED THE TV SHOW THROUGH THE SPEAKER WHO CARES THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD!!!
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geezerette:

@Jake, by the minority, I fear.
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Buffalo's Tom:

Hey Mark, have you ever looked into Off the Hook on WBAI yet? I think someone mentioned it here before and I concur it's really good. And their (2600's) fun conference in NYC is next month!
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Michael 98145:

our post-scarcity world appears to be intent on squeezing all wealth to the top.
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Tommy in Neversink:

I don't don't have an internet phone..just basic cell
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Rich in Washington:

We need to usher boredom back into our lives, if even for a moment.
Boredom has made me do some of the best, craziest stuff ever.
I think boredom is essential to creativity.
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common:

look at a tree!
  6:53pm
melinda:

You do become aware of how unaware everyone else is.
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WebHamster Henry:

I’m a dedicated cloud watcher!
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chris:

here, here, Rich!
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Tommy in Neversink:

WOW.. I got an on air read
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Rich in Washington:

@Melinda: aliens would have no trouble invading us. No one would notice it happening.
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Rich in Washington:

or maybe it already happened...
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Michael 98145:

we are Borg
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Guido from Cologne:

I'm considering getting back to paper maps.
  6:55pm
Warren in Australia:

Avoid tech neck
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chris:

have i shared this story: google maps has my address wrong (wrong city, even), so i wrote them to tell them this, and they responded they were right. hahahahhaaha!
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Tome:

..... they smell better
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northguineahills:

I can't stick to looking at my phone in public. I'm a space cadet, my head is in the clouds, I also have no idea what's going around me. (although I make a mental photo (and recording) of my surroundings in my brain every few minutes.)

cartographer here, I have plenty of paper maps....
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Buffalo's Tom:

Rich, in talking to some of my co-workers lately I think it might be the latter.
  6:56pm
JakeGould:

There was some study about Venmo and how it has ruined sharing meals. Because venmo does exact math, instead of people saying, “Just give me $10 and we’re good.” But Venmo will do EXACT MATH so it’s an IOU like, “Please pay me $12.67.”
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Tommy in Neversink:

Aliens would probably have advanced texting abilities and could takeover all texting posing as the government and tell everybody those aren't aliens they are seeing
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ultradamno:

Are Siri users just people who grew up with a fantasy of having a little robot buddy like in Lost In Space?
  6:56pm
L. Maybud:

Yes, please do a show about mapping data!
  6:57pm
WebHamster Henry:

I like Google Earth- mostly to visit deserts and Siberian coastlines.
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northguineahills:

Most Google Maps data is created via shareware, most is created from volunteers who fill in the details around the world.
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Rich in Washington:

Is it like Czech neck, which you get from doing the made-up drug Cake (Chris Morris fans will get it).
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Buffalo's Tom:

I love Jeff Hackworthy's You Might Be a Techneck bit.
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chris:

without looking at trees, Martin Buber would not have written, I and Thou.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Tommy in Neversink:

I love Google man on the street ....sorry
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Rich in Washington:

Thanks, Mark! my synapses just doubled!
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northguineahills:

I've been to every square inch of Google Earth. I pretty much have half of it memorized.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
listener james from westwood:

I MISS LIZ BERG!
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northguineahills:

I never use GPS. I already have the maps memorized.
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chris:

RDP!!!!
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northguineahills:

what james said...
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Michael 98145:

i found this world thanks to Liz B podcasts
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ultradamno:

Thirllwel!
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chris:

bleep bloop, Mark and all.
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Michael 98145:

does anyone know why it's "hang up" ...?

heh :)
  7:02pm
WebHamster Henry:

Update: my earbuds are busted
  7:02pm
WebHamster Henry:

Hear you next week, maybe in stereo.
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Michael 98145:

danged technology
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