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Options February 26, 2018: China and technology: a conversation with Yong Zhao, cofounder of Junzi Kitchen

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This evening, China and technology: a conversation with Yong Zhao, founder of Junzi Kitchen - in Manhattan, at Broadway and West 113th Street. The food there is delicious and you should try it out.

On the Belt and Road Initiative:

The New Silk Road (TIME, November 2017)

How China’s Economy Is Poised to Win the Future (TIME, November 2017)

On Apple in China:

Apple CEO backs China’s vision of an ‘open’ Internet as censorship reaches new heights (Washington Post, December 2017): Apple’s CEO Tim Cook stood up and celebrated China’s vision of an open Internet. . . “The theme of this conference — developing a digital economy for openness and shared benefits — is a vision we at Apple share,” Cook said, in widely reported remarks. “We are proud to have worked alongside many of our partners in China to help build a community that will join a common future in cyberspace.”

Apple’s Tim Cook: Internet must have security, humanity (Boston Globe, December 2017): "Cook made the comments at the opening ceremony for China’s World Internet Conference in Wuzhen — an event designed to globally promote the country’s vision of a more censored and controlled internet."

Inside China’s Big Tech Conference, New Ways to Track Citizens (NYT, December 2017): "The technology enabling a full techno-police state was on hand, giving a glimpse into how new advances in things like artificial intelligence and facial recognition can be used to track citizens — and how they have become widely accepted here."

Apple’s Tim Cook: No Point Yelling at China (WSJ, December 2017): "Tech exec defends pulling 674 apps at Beijing’s request, says change can't happen from the sideline."

Apple says it is removing VPN services from China App Store (Reuters, July 2017)

Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears (Reuters, February 2018)

Why the iPhone Is Losing Out to Chinese Devices in Asia (WSJ, February 2018): "Apple’s market share is stagnant or declining in Asia, paving the way for other smartphone makers."



The "social credit" system in China:

Inside China's Vast New Experiment In Social Ranking (Wired, December 2017): "The aim is for every Chinese citizen to be trailed by a file compiling data from public and private sources by 2020, and for those files to be searchable by fingerprints and other biometric characteristics. For the Chinese Communist Party, social credit is an attempt at a softer, more invisible authoritarianism. The goal is to nudge people toward behaviors ranging from energy conservation to obedience to the Party."

China's Surveillance State Should Scare Everyone (The Atlantic, Feb 2018): "The country is perfecting a vast network of digital espionage as a means of social control - with implications for democracies worldwide."

Big data meets Big Brother as China moves to rate its citizens (Wired UK, October 2017), an excerpt from Who Can You Trust? How Technology Brought Us Together and Why It Might Drive Us Apart, by Rachel Botsman. "For now, technically, participating in China's Citizen Scores is voluntary. But by 2020 it will be mandatory. The behaviour of every single citizen and legal person (which includes every company or other entity)in China will be rated and ranked, whether they like it or not."

China's Social Credit System: AI-driven panopticon or fragmented foundation for a sincerity culture? (TechNode, August 2017): "As a means of avoiding responsibility, or of hiding behind machine decision-making to avoid individual responsibility (or governmental responsibility), AI poses a danger to the integrity of any system that would so ‘wash their hands’ of governance."

On AI and other tech in China:

As China Marches Forward on A.I., the White House Is Silent (NYT, Feb 2018): "China unveiled a plan to become the world leader in artificial intelligence and create an industry worth $150 billion to its economy by 2030."

China’s All-Seeing Surveillance State Is Reading Its Citizens’ Faces (WSJ, June 2017)

China’s Stopchat: Censors Can Now Erase Images Mid-Transmission (WSJ, July 2017)

In Sign of Resistance, Chinese Balk at Using Apps to Snitch on Neighbors (WSJ, December 2017)

And the news from just yesterday...

China Moves to Let Xi Stay in Power by Abolishing Term Limit (NYT, February 25, 2018): "China’s Communist Party has cleared the way for President Xi Jinping to stay in power indefinitely, by announcing Sunday that it intends to abolish term limits on the presidency."

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...with all that said, Happy Chinese New Year! It's now the year of the dog.



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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:04pm βrian:

Wow, I finally made it on time. Good evening.
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:05pm melinda:

Hi Techtons
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:07pm RomanDogBird:

one trillion d-d-d-dollars *boi-oi-oi-oi-oing*
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:11pm Eliyah:

Does Mark Hurst always has shows like this one? I mean with news infos atc?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:12pm northguineahills:

@Eliyah: yeah, pretty much, every Monday!
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:12pm Eliyah:

Its rly cool
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:15pm βrian:

Well, so The Googe has my shopping list that I share via iCloud. But that's it. ... I think.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:17pm queems:

i've never put anything into icloud and i'm glad about it
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:19pm Michael 98145:

we've been googled : www.cnbc.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:20pm northguineahills:

My first thought, "daggnabbit, Junzi Kitchen isn't my hood!"(hamster in the wheel in brain does a few revolutions) "Wait, I no longer live in NYC!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:21pm βrian:

@NGH: But, of course nobody lives there anymore. It's too crowded!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:22pm Mark Hurst:

"China is showing an alternative modernity," Yong Zhao says, to the American and European way. I thought that was an interesting concept
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:22pm silentkid:

Google does not have access to anything in iCloud -- "Each file is broken into chunks and encrypted by iCloud using AES-128 and a key derived from each chunk’s contents that utilizes SHA-256. The keys and the file’s metadata are stored by Apple in the user’s iCloud account. The encrypted chunks of the file are stored, without any user-identifying information, using third-party storage services, such as S3 and Google Cloud Platform."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:24pm βrian:

What could possibly go wrong?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:30pm Tommy in Neversink:

This show is so interesting
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:33pm βrian:

I'm not sure we need more chain restaurants.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:34pm northguineahills:

The US and the PRC are as symbiotic as algae and fungi in lichens. We just have very different worldviews and goals.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:39pm northguineahills:

Authentic Chinese food is tastey???? Shut up and take my money (miss Chinatown, but there is a few authentic Chinese restaurants here (not to be confused w/ Chinese-American cuisine)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:39pm Folsom:

The WSJ article about face recognition is similar to the BBC reporter getting ID'd in 7 minutes after he let the authorities scan his face. www.bbc.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:40pm TDK60:

Hello. NGH: Different outlooks but the Chinese "Communists" are capitalist also.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:40pm βrian:

"La Choy makes Chinese Food ... Swing American!"
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:40pm oogoo:

Chinese Mcdonalds. Please NO. Please.
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:41pm AmyLeeChen:

Great show! Yes to Chinese free form radio!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:42pm βrian:

Ya see? Even freeform radio has a script! (of sorts).
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:43pm Eliyah:

poor dogs...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:43pm Jeff Moore:

Apparently it's now the year of the Corgi!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:43pm TDK60:

Happy 4716, right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:46pm northguineahills:

Reminds me, I hope WFMU dj does something for Nowruz.... maybe on a the Friday afternoon after...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:47pm TDK60:

NGH: That's the Zoroastrian new year?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:48pm Folsom:

I think Mark should get an interview with someone from Real Doll.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:49pm ultradamno:

Or a Real Doll, I hear they have AI models now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:49pm Phil with the phone:

打電話給我們!
(Call us today!)
(translated via google translate idk any chinese)
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:50pm melinda:

New listeners should know that FMU marathon is fun to listen to, not like regular fundraisers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:50pm βrian:

Hey, you forgot to mention that I'm not a SFL member. That's classist.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:50pm northguineahills:

Si, TDK60!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:51pm βrian:

@melinda: True dat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:52pm Tommy in Neversink:

There are a few major languages in China such as Mandarin , Cantonese, Fucanese . So it's probably better to say I speak one of these languages rather than say I speak Chinese
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:52pm Bea:

Thanks, Mark - this interview was fascinating and deeply disturbing. You're the best!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:52pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I heard a story about Chinese cardboard consumption this morning. www.marketplace.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:53pm RomanDogBird:

i get very psyched for the marathon every year
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:54pm TDK60:

Of course, Mark...I should have said "state capitalist," as in the old USSR. Plus, in the West "free market" capitalism is more and more state integrated. Just my 2 cents. And I admit not knowing much specifics about China's economy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:54pm Tommy in Neversink:

The marathon is tremendous fun
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:54pm Linda Lee:

deeply disturbing is always fascinating ~
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:55pm βrian:

My wife, who teaches quite a few young Chinese students, mentions that they are *horrified* that they can't have food delivered to their dorm room door in mere minutes, via phone.
Avatar Mon. 2/26/18 6:55pm glenn:

hello, shiny happy people.
Avatar Mon. 2/26/18 6:55pm aaronfromMI:

Tuning in while I make pizza. Am I supposed to donate money now?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:55pm TDK60:

Yes, somehow WFMU has somehow turned a dreary phenomenon into a partee!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:55pm βrian:

@glenn: Are you going Monty?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:56pm foofs:

Don't worry, Mark; you're only moderately disturbing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:56pm Jeff Moore:

A number of times in recent years I've referred to a building a few blocks from the station as an office of "the Communist Chinese investment bank", and waited for people to react to the apparent absurdity of those words together.

They never seem to react, they've just either accepted the wacky-to-me current reality - or they don't listen that closely to, well, words.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:56pm northguineahills:

Thanks Mark! See you next week!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:57pm TDK60:

somehow
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:57pm Tommy in Neversink:

Brian...My wife speaks fluent Mandarin. She is an ESL teach
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:57pm βrian:

Thanks, Mr. Mark. Interesting, as always.
Avatar Mon. 2/26/18 6:57pm glenn:

i'm not sure. am i?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The current White House occupier is no doubt in favor of abolishing term limits on the president. And the notion of appointing family members as successors.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:57pm northguineahills:

@aaronfromMI: The marathon starts next week, but you can donate now. Look at the swag page on the main WFMU page.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:58pm listener 126464:

Thanks again Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 6:58pm Tommy in Neversink:

teacher
Avatar Mon. 2/26/18 6:58pm aaronfromMI:

excellent, I can wait another payday!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/26/18 6:59pm TDK60:

Total respect to all Chinese in China, or around Earth.
  Mon. 2/26/18 6:59pm AmyLeeChen:

Diggin' the music!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/26/18 7:00pm Phil with the phone:

See ya'll next week
GET READY TO GIVE US MONEY
  Mon. 2/26/18 8:08pm Tom:

Nostrovia
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