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The Failure of Noise
The Failure of Sound
The Failure of Rock
The Failure of the Avant Garde
The Failure of the Space Age
The Failure of Jazz
The Failure of Psychedelia
The Failure of Krautrock
The Failure of Electronic
The Failure of Pop
The Failure of Free-form
The Failure of the 20th Century

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Options February 8, 2018

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Artist Track Album Format Comments Approx. start time
James Last  Mr. Giant Man   Options Voodoo Party      0:00:00 (MP3 | )
James White & The Blacks  Stained Sheets   Options Off White    with Stella Rico on Vocals  0:15:18 (MP3 | )
Tony Iglio  Jungla   Options Drugstore      0:15:57 (MP3 | )
Ensemble Economique  Shacks Built From Plyboard   Options Psychical      0:16:40 (MP3 | )
Heroin in Tahiti  Blood Before Dawn   Options black vacation/no highway split 12"    Split with Ensemble Economique  0:18:36 (MP3 | )
Pierre Raph  Crotch Batterie   Options Requiem for a Vampire      0:23:08 (MP3 | )
Gintas K  episode 4   Options Acousma Light      0:24:21 (MP3 | )
Robert Ashley  Purposeful Lady Slow Afternoon   Options Automatic Writing      0:28:03 (MP3 | )
 
Crescent  Unit System   Options Crescent      0:46:18 (MP3 | )
Nicolas Bernier  Frequencies (a / fragments) (excerpt)   Options Frequencies (a / fragments)      1:01:15 (MP3 | )
 
Mogadishow  MAntra I   Options Voyage: Facing The History of French Modern Psychedelic Music      1:25:35 (MP3 | )
Alpha Beta  Astral Abuse   Options   7"    1:27:41 (MP3 | )
Electric Sandwich   China   Options Electric Sandwich      1:34:49 (MP3 | )
Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs  Samain   Options Belsayer Time      1:40:38 (MP3 | )
Decibel  El Fin de los dodos   Options Fiat Lux      1:45:11 (MP3 | )
Ennio Morricone  Passaggio terzo   Options Macchie Solari      1:49:27 (MP3 | )
Ennio Morricone  Preannuncio - Multipla II Pezzo   Options Macchie Solari      1:49:46 (MP3 | )
 
Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs  Coral   Options Belsayer Time      2:03:25 (MP3 | )
Insiememusicadiversa  Momento   Options Insiememusicadiversa      2:13:43 (MP3 | )
Verdun  Saudades do Verdun (excerpt)   Options Two Archipelagos      2:20:39 (MP3 | )
Seht  Requiem For John Fahey   Options The Voice Of The Taniwha      2:28:31 (MP3 | )
Seht  Homage to Abbas Kiarostami's "The Runner"   Options The Voice Of The Taniwha      2:36:02 (MP3 | )
 
Catherine Christer Hennix  The Electric Harpsichord   Options The Electric Harpsichord      2:50:24 (MP3 | )

Listener comments!

Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:04pm chocolate monk:

gurps!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:04pm Cecile:

Oh, I think I know this one.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:04pm Rev. Turnip Druid:

peace be witchaw.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:05pm glenn:

who is this and what do you want?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:05pm Cheri Pi:

this rings a bell too
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 3:05pm Michael 98145:

haven't heard this for awhile :)
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:06pm nic:

still love this !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:06pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Party time in Giant Land!
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:07pm James Black:

I need a Black-eye!
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:09pm saintMichael:

omg what is this?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:09pm sphere:

hello folks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:09pm Cecile:

match.com really works!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:09pm sphere:

James Chance and Lydia Lunch, right?
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:09pm βrian:

Fibrillating epiglottis!
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:11pm βrian:

It would make sense that James Chance follows James Last.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 3:12pm Michael 98145:

Masculine Inadequacies Drive Women Nuts - blogfiles.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:17pm common:

good Thursday!
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:20pm BronwynB:

hey fabio and everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:21pm Rev. Turnip Druid:

vigorously approving.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:23pm northguineahills:

subtle title....
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:23pm J Gilly:

Sexy show today ha
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:24pm khd:

could someone give that lady a hand with her groceries?
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:26pm Nellie:

Haha
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:26pm Orgasmatron 3000:

'did ya git any on ya?'
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:27pm Boy in Boston:

play some music with guys getting fucked please
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:28pm northguineahills:

Bob Ashley!
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:28pm nic:

love this !!!
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:29pm Ike:

@khd, I think someone was already giving that lady a hand! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Has Fabio ever done a premium called Fabio's Pervy Moaning-Lady Extravaganza?!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 3:29pm Michael 98145:

dental hygiene
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:30pm ?:

First post ever, been listening for years. Glad to post listening to this perved out stuff Fab. i'm a little uncomfortable now
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:31pm BronwynB:

i agree with our boy in boston
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:31pm Dean:

Mary Wing is seeking suggestions of songs in which the lyrics include the spelling of a word, e.g., G-L-O-R-I-A. It occurred to me that Robert Ashley's lyrics must include an instance or two of this phenomenon, but I can't think of one.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:31pm Dean:

Songs with guys getting fucked? You mean like "I Fought the Law"?
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:31pm rw:

Gross!
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:32pm BronwynB:

@dean: no, like whole lotta love
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:32pm Bill Main:

I heard this track years ago and have been trying to remember the composer (Robert Ashley) ever since! Thanks for playing.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:34pm bill:

yikes, where's FUV?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:34pm northguineahills:

The Soft Pink Truth do some samples of guys getting fucked.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:34pm J:

Ok this is a bit much
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 3:34pm -Ken:

My college station WCBN got into big trouble for airing this Ashley piece back in 1980 or so.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:34pm khd:

intense...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:34pm dale:

was this on a carnival cruise?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:35pm northguineahills:

If think this is intense, read the backstory of this recording... (of the monologue).
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:35pm khd:

@ken - SOUND THE GOAT ALARM
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:35pm pnuthead:

hot stuff. 2nd post (forgot my name before). trigger warning fab, omg need a xanax.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:35pm Boy in Boston:

is this just more male bullshit couched as avant garde..... ??
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:36pm Mark Williams:

a critique, which I found just now. I've not formed my own opinion yet, so this is purely fyi:

https://www.waggish.org/2003/purposeful-lady-slow-afternoon-robert-ashley/
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:36pm J:

*Airhorn*
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:36pm Debt Collector:

description of rape
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:36pm Dean:

Stooges, "Loose"? Or am I not adequately respecting the passive construction of "getting fucked"?
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:37pm Boy in Boston:

i do love that iggy song!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 3:37pm Michael 98145:

(feat. Cynthia Liddell)
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:37pm Brown eye winking:

listen to more Butthole Surfers.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:37pm J:

Yeah this is pretty fucking rapey Fab
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:38pm rsj:

Fabio must have disabled Ken's alarm before his show
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:38pm northguineahills:

@Boy in Boston: if it was anyone else but Robert Ashley, I'd agree w/ you.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:38pm J:

@BostonBoy YUUUUUUP
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:39pm Boy in Boston:

context is everything
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:40pm Dean:

All of Ashley takes some work. We'll be extracting meaning from those operas and other pieces for a long time.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:40pm nic:

i've always loved it !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:41pm rsj:

the ashley opera about the extra man, and the genesis of catsup, is awesome
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:41pm P:

I saw Robert Ashley at a performance of one of his works at Roulette in late 2013. Most of it was in Romansh. He sat in the front row and took time to talk to everyone in crowd. He was in good spirits despite his health.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:42pm Lixiviated Life:

JC & the contortions no doubt
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:43pm Dean:

During law school I had hoped to have occasional evenings of comparative listening to, e.g., various recordings of classical works. Ex.: an evening listening to Schubert's final piano sonata. Managed to have only one such evening, and it wasn't comparative. We listened to Ashley's "Improvement."
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:45pm joe mulligan:

wow Ashely was in 1968! still timely. made me think of that NYT article going around about how porn is affecting teens these days
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:46pm dale:

yes, that was pre-big sausage pizza.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:46pm Devin B.:

Ashley re-used some lines from the "Purposeful Lady" monologue in a later opera - El Aficionado, maybe?
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:47pm pcnyc:

Ok, agree with @Boy in Boston and @J that the Ashley monolgoue was uncomfortable, triggering and exploitative. Not "beautiful" as you suggested, Fabio.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:47pm Mark Williams:

I just played my copy of this Crescent 10" the other day. Crackly for some reason. It always disturbs me. Not an easy throw down, especially when the keyboards come in.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:48pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The good part is we didn't have to sit through a bunch of loud, pointless commercials before the show started. Not like they do in the movie theaters.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:49pm J:

No matter how anyone felt about it, that's the beauty of free form radio. I almost tuned out though. Lame piece
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:49pm βrian:

Apropos of nothing I wonder how often Ruth Bader Ginsburg is triggered.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:49pm Mark Williams:

the Jones brothers who were in Movietone were in Crescent, btw.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:50pm Chris from DC:

Yay, Crescent. Good to hear this.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:51pm sexism:

get over it/like music anything interesting is a mixture of greatness.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:52pm pcnyc:

It's just as creepy as that Dr. Bootygrabber gross-out that @-Ken likes to revisit.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:54pm Boy in Boston:

...a mixture of greatness and....... what?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:55pm ⓔⓘⓚ:

It *is* creepy but at least it focuses more on the woman's perception of the act rather than the man's POV...? Though the woman seems impassive and blanked-out like a pr0n lady, so I don't like that. Very confusing....
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 3:57pm βrian:

Yes, it's that almost out-of-body recollection that gives it such an unsettling tinge.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 3:58pm -Ken:

Ashley wrote the words for that piece, so it's a man imagining rape from a woman's perspective. I've been hearing that piece for decades and it always gets a huge reaction from people.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:58pm Love is how you make it:

Do not take this personal/everything is not about your sexual preference.
  Thu. 2/8/18 3:58pm nic:

this is great !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:58pm Devin B.:

According to Kyle Gann's book on him, Ashley based the text on interviews with female friends about their real experiences with men. The idea was to present the facts of what happened without emotion.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:59pm northguineahills:

Man, loving this Crescent, how have I not heard it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 3:59pm dale:

my take is if art doesn't make you squirm a little it isn't working.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:00pm Dean:

By that criterion, @dale, The Police produce art, and I just won't stand for that.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:00pm βrian:

Baby Animal makes me squirm a bit.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:01pm Boy in Boston:

wait, is there something about love happening here? sexual preference? did I miss something?
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:01pm Dean:

Or perhaps you intended squirming as a necessary, but not sufficient, criterion.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:02pm ⓔⓘⓚ:

@Dean, you don't like "Message in a Bottle" and "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da"?!?
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:03pm Dean:

@ⓔⓘⓚ, not in public, no.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:03pm rw:

I hadn't known that work but have been generally a fan of Ashley. The fact that he wrote the monologue himself as Ken points out seems a little disingenuous and makes me question that particular work.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:04pm Boy in Boston:

i like When The World Keeps Running Down ...
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:05pm Chris from DC:

Going to track down the full Bernier piece. Really like this.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:05pm pcnyc:

Impassively conveyed, like she's recounting to her therapist or something, and we're eavesdropping on a highly-sensitive and personal dialogue of confidences.
For what purpose?
And how can there be a bodily violation of another person accurately conveyed without emotion?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:06pm dale:

don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:09pm Dean:

My memory could be playing games, but Ashley's conceit reminds me of some of Peter Handke's work, its clinical accounts of crises and deep anxiety. Handke famously wrote a play, "Offending the Audience," aimed at doing just that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:10pm Devin B.:

Purposeful Lady grew out of a larger piece called "That Morning Thing," inspired by three friends of Ashley's, three women who didn't know each other and who each committed suicide. He says it "was an attempt to come to grips with that, to get rid of it, so you don't have to keep thinking about it all the time. It becomes something outside of you, a shield between you and whatever you think about it."
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:12pm khd:

as a critique of Robert Ashley, "impassively conveyed" makes me laugh
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:13pm northguineahills:

Thanks Devin, it's been awhile since I read that, I couldn't recount it,
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:13pm βrian:

The Seventh Seal (and her multicolored ball)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:15pm dale:

i saw that bergman film on my local pbs station late at night back in the 70s, channel 17 in buffalo.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:15pm J:

People know this but Last House On The Left was based on Virgin Spring, to give any indication to its brutality
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:15pm pcnyc:

"Art" that provokes and then disavows a predictable reaction? Go fuck yourself, @Dale.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:15pm Pink Military:

If it was up your ass you would know.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:16pm Boy in Boston:

Rock ON, pcnyc!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:17pm Carmichael:

I'm glad this is a healthy discussion of art.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:17pm coelacanth∅:

olá Fabio e falhas bonitas
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:18pm glenn:

who the fuck needs to buy a bible? steal one from a hotel, for christsake.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:19pm Boy in Boston:

Oh, God.... don't get me started on the Bible....
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:19pm coelacanth∅:

...and just plain failures
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:20pm dale:

if you don't like the music you hear on this show or a musician's process then turn the dial. problem solved.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:21pm joe mulligan:

At first I thought the Ashley was a court stenographer transcription from a molestation/rape trial
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:21pm Devin B.:

@northguinea: Great book! I wish there was more writing on him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:21pm coelacanth∅:

haha glenn or just...why read a bible?
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:21pm βrian:

"There I was, sitting on a bench beside myself. Whatever that means."
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:23pm Brendan:

I went to a radio station and a hockey game broke out.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:23pm Saltonstall:

Is the estate of James Last engaging in a payola scheme with WFMU DJs. I've heard that tune so much I can't get it out of me 'ead.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:24pm Boy in Boston:

Shutup, dale, I'm trying to make myself uncomfortable for art. da dee dah deee dahhhh
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:25pm βrian:

@Saltonstall: Oh, you don't want to come around at 10 a.m. on Tuesdays, then.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:25pm Boy in Boston:

...and youre helping!!
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:25pm glenn:

having played many, many games of hockey in my yute, i can say that the chirping going on here pales in comparison.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:27pm Beastie Banter:

fight for your right to party
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:27pm Saltonstall:

Last is first in my book. Only problem is I gotta work Tuesday morn.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:28pm pcnyc:

I jumped into this because a woman's POV was important to the dialogue. And thanks for more mansplaining and a patronizing get-out-if-you-can't-handle-it comment, @dale.
Let's see, how many women are present in this dialogue right now?
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:29pm Saltonstall:

I uncovered about 2 dozen James Last lps at a thrift in Victoria, BC back in the day. That man was a dapper dude.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:29pm northguineahills:

@joe mulligan: me too, until I read an article that had Ashley's interview where he gave his intent as Devin recounted above. It makes it darker, as there you know there was a reason her friend committed suicide, and she might have told him of the encounter. I've had friends take their lives, I wish I was talented enough the sweep that pain a little further away.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:30pm J:

The only thing that would have made that Ashley piece any worse is if people starting lining up in protest outside of the station
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:31pm Boy in Boston:

alas, I am a dude
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:31pm northguineahills:

err...talented enough to sweep...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:31pm dale:

it's freeform radio pcnyc. fabio plays what HE wants to play. whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:32pm Boy in Boston:

we are all equally irrelevant
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:32pm βrian:

A friend mentioned to her husband that she felt really cranky, but didn't know why. He replied, "I'll tell you why you feel cranky: mansplaining."
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:32pm BronwynB:

i'm a woman and was present earlier at least
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:33pm dale:

i'm not "mansplainin'" anytthing. i didn't bring gender into it.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:34pm Mark Williams:

@dale. I don't think to say that a person's point of view on these comment boards is irrelevant is, well, relevant. The music plays and we all get that. The discussion in here can exist simultaneously as well as independent of that.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:35pm Brendan:

Hey Fab i really like this - thanks, man.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:36pm glenn:

geez, i'm usually the guy pissing people off. go get 'em, dale.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:37pm Luke in PDX:

You're blowin' my mind. Great stuff Fab!
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:37pm Boy in Boston:

...a musican's process... that's heavy
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:38pm dale:

let's gather every copy of that ashley piece and burn them in the town square. that'll show everyone!! that piece was just as valid and deserving of an ear as anything played on this station or k rock or the latin station or npr.

mark - true. i didn't get personal though by telling her to go fuck herself like she did with me. yet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:38pm chris:

i just had lunch, although not as tasty as this electric sandwich... i see i've missed alot.
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:39pm Boy in Boston:

well, there ya have it!
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:39pm Boy in Boston:

This song is cool!
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:41pm βrian:

Turboprop drones. Nice.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:41pm northguineahills:

oh, and per my earlier comment near the beginning of ths show. The Soft Pink Truth is a Matmos gay house side project (they got their start doing soundtracks for gay porn in grad school in cali)
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:43pm Boy in Boston:

Groovy
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:44pm Mark Williams:

that Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is an absolute fave of mine. One side features Youngs' inimitable and wonderful voice, the other not. It's so good. I predict a reissue for that some day.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:45pm Lixiviated Life:

Some failures are easier to face than others
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:46pm Devin B.:

@pcnyc: Totally agree w/r/t the fallacy of removing emotion from such a charged scenario. It creeps me the hell out too. For what it's worth, Ashley also says that vision for the piece was a failure. Hope it didn't feel like I was arguing with you. It's not often I'm able to contribute relevant knowledge on these boards - particularly on this show!
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:50pm Mark Williams:

@Devin B - it's interesting what you say Ashley said about it. Because a critique that I linked to earlier (scroll up) suggested that the Liddell's delivery (vocalist) started to stray into "performance," and whether or not he asked this of her or not is one of the things I'm not clear on. But in doing so, it went into very difficult and arguably shock-value territory. And these days, we're just not in need of that anymore (if we ever were).
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:50pm pcnyc:

Being more aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what #metoo is about.
How about you all practice more care?
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:51pm Prog Porn:

Bring on the sax.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:53pm steveo:

...and violins
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:53pm βrian:

... get it? Mansplaining?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:56pm melinda:

hi people!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:58pm Rich in Washington:

Did you hear about the mansplainer who died?
  Thu. 2/8/18 4:58pm Boy in Boston:

Devin B √
pcnyc √
Mark Williams √
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:58pm Rich in Washington:

They say he walked into an open manhole...
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 4:58pm βrian:

@Rich: Why, no!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 4:59pm Rich in Washington:

...but it was a well, actually.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:00pm glenn:

huh. i thought metoo was about women not accepting harassment any more, but what do i know?
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:00pm βrian:

Ah, I see.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:01pm Jack:

I don't get it! Can you explain?
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:01pm βrian:

@glen: Well, actually ...
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:02pm Brendan:

Careful of fusion - it can lead to smooth jazz
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:03pm Rich in Washington:

ugh. came back from a long meeting. was totally unaware of what was going on in the comment board.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 5:03pm Zetti:

Hi Fabio ;)
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:03pm joe mulligan:

@NGH wow that is heavier context!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:03pm steveo:

was the meeting about Robert Ashley?
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:04pm glenn:

see? you go away and all hell breaks loose.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:04pm Rev. Turnip Druid:

Who has carrot cake?
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:05pm MUWFInMA:

and careful of confusion it hides in all read words
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:08pm rw:

Fucking Valentines day. Did somebody say carrot cake?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:08pm melinda:

@Rich that was funny
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:09pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Ooh...capital idea. I should bring carrot cake to the meet-up on Saturday.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Also, how do you make carrot cake?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:10pm TDK60:

Sorry I'm late, failed to get here in time, was at a film.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:10pm northguineahills:

I leave my house to go back to work after lunch, and Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs was playing, get back to work, Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is playing.
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:10pm khd:

the failure of promptness
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:11pm Dean:

[Well, actually,] Being aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what many human enterprises are about: education, anti-discrimination struggles, literature and other arts... Not being on Twitter, I don't know how the #metoo discussion is progressing, though I read bits and pieces in the news, usually related to the (to my mind not surprising, but still shocking) stories of abuses by (relatively) powerful men of women with whom they work. If that's so, then #metoo is also about abuses of power, male entitlement, and patriarchy, pace Andrea Dworkin. Dworkin confronted the problems she saw head-on. Her book Pornography meticulously, graphically, and painfully analyzes common tropes of hatred and intimidation in porn. Like many of her works, it is unsettling. How would Dworkin have heard the Ashley piece? I don't know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:11pm northguineahills:

(And yes, I'm on EDT, I just eat late)
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:12pm Devin B.:

@Mark W: Missed that link earlier! I think the critique is pretty on point although I think the author’s tone is unnecessarily combative.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:13pm TDK60:

Guess I missed some controversy, will have to go back and read but can't right away.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:17pm Rev. Turnip Druid:

Carrot Cake is the great peacemaker.
#revsplaining
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:25pm northguineahills:

I can take some revsplaining...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:26pm TDK60:

The film? "In The Intense Now." Okay I suppose. Just for the record, I am pro-feminist.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:28pm northguineahills:

Sounds like Jim O'Rourke's "Happy Days".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:29pm northguineahills:

Verdun, new to me and makes my eye holes spangle-dancey!

same w/ Seht!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:31pm northguineahills:

Moar info on Seht, Proszę!
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:32pm nic:

love this show +++
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:32pm pcnyc:

I am satisfied in having raised my concern of "art" that reconstructs violent and tragic scenarios.
Proceed at your own level of understanding and interest. Happy to dialogue more with those individuals who have a genuine interest. There is no "silly" "bickering", Fabio.
I've art to go see. Peace out.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:34pm glenn:

all righty then.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:35pm northguineahills:

it's all good pcnyc, a good conversation is always needed in discussing these issues. It's better then going w/ one's pre-determined feelings and gut instinct.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:36pm northguineahills:

(dialogue is always important)
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:37pm CarrotHead:

more Faust&Porn soundtracks.less political correctness?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:39pm TDK60:

"Political correctness?" Maybe you really mean sexism is okay?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:43pm dale:

wow - the sh*t is being flung in EVERY direction. glad gig talk is coming up cuz i gotta tune out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:44pm Rev. Turnip Druid:

That ol'Bob Ashley; quite the uniter of the people, no?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:45pm queems:

when people complain about political correctness all i hear is "i'm mad that i can't be a total piece of shit and get away with it"
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:47pm dale:

a comment board for the ages fabio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:48pm Philthy woman:

Good show Fabio. Diggin a lot of this stuff. Especially current drone. I thought that Ashley piece was intense and it made me wonder what the process of making it was. As someone who has been raped I did not assume however that it was necessarily intentionally harmful or sexist just because the piece came from a man and involved explicit violent content. We don't know how or why people make art and just because it is hard to stomach doesn't mean intentions are neccisarily bad or that they are intending to use violence in a salacious way. I really wonder though and will have to research the making of that one...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:48pm chris:

i'm one of those who believes in freedom of expression and in the US, the first amendment applies. i'm thoroughly disgusted with recent decisions with institutions in Berkeley, for instance, to stifle expression and therefore stifle open dialogue, which is also under increasing attack. we might say there's a dark side to "politicial correctness" if it stifles dialogue. art is a very useful tool, in my opinion, for fostering dialogue. yes, someone who is picking on someone or stereotyping someone or being bigoted is an asshole. should we not be able to dialogue with them? at the very least, can we not use that opportunity to understand why they think what they think? it may help reach common ground, though not always easy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:49pm TDK60:

Sorry Dale, I'm not an ostrich.
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:49pm fake george W:

'I'm a uniter not divider'
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:51pm Rev. Turnip Druid:

Better to strive to be a unider, i reckon.
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:51pm Dean:

Erwin Chemerinsky & Howard Gillman, Free Speech on Campus
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300226560/free-speech-campus
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:52pm Brendan:

Thanks Fabio?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:52pm chris:

oooo, thanks, Dean!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:53pm TDK60:

"Free speech" on campus, while they quietly fire the leftist profs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:54pm northguineahills:

Well, it looks like I clicky starred this already! I need some more Catherine Christer Hennix (i have none, I need to remedy that!)

true, queems...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:54pm chris:

thanks, Fabio! always outstanding tunes. and great comments board!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:55pm dale:

no one was being sexist on the board that i could see TDK. however my opinion as to what art might encompass got me told to go fuck myself - rude, insulting and disparaging. she inserted the gender bias into the conversation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:55pm coelacanth∅:

exactly what chris said.
- and,"political correctness" is not always correct and reduced freedom to "protect" others from feeling or dealing with the harshness that is the reality of this world is just another step toward total control by a government that will be oppressive and otherwise malevolent far beyond most people's imaginations.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:55pm northguineahills:

Fabio has been carrying this around..., yeah, for like 5 years (you played this in 2013!) Thank you Fabio!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:56pm northguineahills:

I didn't understand that comment directed at you either, dale.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:56pm coelacanth∅:

(i say this though i did not hear that robert ashley piece, and wont go out of my way to listen to it)
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:57pm Fabio:

@ Philthy woman: Thanks for your thoughtful and measured comment on this. It's my understanding that Ashley interview a number of women for their views on sexual encounters of varying degrees. He wanted to present the woman's point of view in a way that was't emotionally weighted. It is a tough piece amnd I have aired it many times, but I also think it is quite beautiful and powerful and gives the woman a voice that she might not have had otherwise. I don't normally "defend" anything I play on the air but your comment I thought warranted my input. Someone else pointed out that Ashley himself thought this was not a successful piece. I'm am uncertain as to where this comes from but I will have to do some digging myself on that... thanks again...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/8/18 5:58pm Michael 98145:

thanks again, Fabio.
for thought-provoking radio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:58pm coelacanth∅:

...and Philthy, i'm sorry to hear you went through that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:58pm duke:

Great show
  Thu. 2/8/18 5:58pm nic:

beautiful !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:59pm dale:

i just came for some atonal droning. didn't want a black eye.
Avatar Thu. 2/8/18 5:59pm BronwynB:

@coel: with all due respect (for real- i always enjoy your contributions) i think political correctness at this point in time is not a step towards control by a malevolent government, at least in the us, because the malevolent government currently in power is actually headed by people who like to bray about their opposition to political correctness. so a PC-related government takeover is probably the least of our worries right now
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park:

This was quite the emotional support hamster kind of a show today. Thankfully, without the flushing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 5:59pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Fabio
  Thu. 2/8/18 6:00pm Dean:

I like the Ashley. I understand how it might shock, even repulse, others. I don't understand how "willing suspension of disbelief" works for horror movies or Wagner, but not for Ashley, when it comes to "reconstruct[ion of] violent and tragic scenarios." But I can empathize with anybody who finds something so "creepy" that it crosses a line for them. I do not agree that by virtue of crossing that line, art becomes "art" in scare quotes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/8/18 6:01pm coelacanth∅:

Bronwyn, you are correct. i mean that in an indirect route....but this is a lot to get into.
  Thu. 2/8/18 6:05pm Devin B.:

Great show as always, Fabio. I think you were referring to my comment earlier that Ashley thought he had been unsuccessful at capturing the scene absent of emotion. I’m taking this from a quick re-read of what Kyle Gann’s book says on the origin of the piece. Your recollection of Ashley’s method and purpose is pretty much the same as what Gann says.
  Thu. 2/8/18 6:06pm Devin B.:

Gann book: https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/67qrm8wc9780252035494.html
Avatar Fri. 2/9/18 12:21am pcnyc:

This remark of yours, @dale, is what provoked my ire: "don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater."
I am entitled to stand in my own truth..and you've no business discounting how i respond to a description of sexual violence.
I would have messaged you directly about this, but didn't want to hear you have an issue with that, either, somewhere down the line.
This piece is offensive and needs to be rethought as being fully acceptable for broadcast, in the same way other exploitative work is. These are changing times and I, for one, will -- in no uncertain terms -- speak out against such insensitivity.
Avatar Fri. 2/9/18 10:33am Joel St. Germain:

Fabio is a king!!
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