WFMU: Neighbors Noise with Jesse Kaminsky: Playlist from October 3, 2017

Listener comments!
	♥ 7:03pm coelacanth∅: Hi Neighbor! you sure are noisy!
	7:04pm Jesse Kaminsky: Howdy coelacanthø it can't be helped, it's in my name!
	♥ 7:06pm northguineahills: I'm going to have to leave work soon, so, I'll only get the beginning of the field recording portion.
	♥ 7:06pm gloomsday: hello hello! :) these are some delightfully opinionated birds we're listening to today.
	♥ 7:07pm coelacanth∅: oh i like when my neighbors are noisy, so they can't justify complaining about me!
	7:09pm Jesse Kaminsky: no complaints here, noise it up! Hi @northguineahills! I recommend leaving work now but that's just me. Hi @gloomsday, the birds are actually very accommodating once you get to know them..
	7:15pm geezerette: My cat would have loved this. She'd be searching for the birds and circling back to me for an answer.
	7:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: hey geezerette! There are a wealth of youtube videos for cats, long set shots of birds and fishtanks that I sometimes project for my cats. They are always confused.
	♥ 7:20pm northguineahills: Ok, 10+ hours is long enough (and I've been the only one at the office all day), I'm off for a drink, since I can afford that again. I'll hit you at the end of your show.
	7:21pm Jesse Kaminsky: sounds great, well earned. Welcome back to the working world!
	♥ 7:22pm coelacanth∅: i wish my neighborhood sounded something like this. where i moved from a year ago sort of did. better, in my opinion. a variety of birds, including a variety of owls; insects; very active squirrels; deer (& other, non-noisy animals); an occasionally howling dog not far away and other dogs a little farther; geese, seasonally; and a rail trail at the bottom of the hill that was the house's back/my front yard - so occasional interesting loud walkers, and a daily group of waldorf school children walking once in each direction. 'never heard a neighbor's tv or anyone's rap or other crappy music, except the rare drive by at the student housing nearby. (which also contributed some interesting noise sometimes, and some partying - but rarely enough that the sound was welcome) - now it's just the gas station/convenience store next door, and a busy street pretty close by. ...this too shall pass.
	♥ 7:23pm coelacanth∅: jeez, sorry! i didn't realise i went on so long!
	♥ 7:23pm melinda: hi peeps
	7:24pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hi melinda! @coelacanthø, I just played a 20 minute track of birds and kids playing so not really anyone to talk about going on too long...
	7:30pm geezerette: Hello Coel, Melinda, NGH ! I'm loitering, back to work now!
	♥ 7:31pm coelacanth∅: heh, thanks Jesse! i think i was lost in reminiscence. makes me sad; i really liked that crappy little attic apartment.
	♥ 7:32pm coelacanth∅: hey g!
	♥ 7:33pm melinda: It's sad when you have to leave a place you like. I once had an old attic apartment.
	♥ 7:38pm coelacanth∅: yeah the landlord thought he could renovate it and get a lot more money for it. i actually would've paid 100 bucks more/month if he really did fix it up; but i know he didn't...and he's probably sorry that he lost me, because now that apartment will join the other 6 in the house that are constantly changing occupants, with long periods of vacancy in-between.
	7:51pm Jesse Kaminsky: images are of sculptures from the 2000's by El Anatsui: el-anatsui.com
	7:57pm still b/p: I'm right about at the 20th anniversary of my arrival in this apartment. Freaky long compared to residency tales and histories of most people I know. The Wu environment sounds like being aboard ship.
	7:58pm Jesse Kaminsky: I think it's a wind farm but I've never been up close to one to find out
	♥ 8:03pm coelacanth∅: i've driven by vast fields of wind turbines, but silly me didn't own a good recorder at the times.
	♥ 8:04pm coelacanth∅: i'd like to know more about this metal hole in the middle of a muddy road.
	8:06pm still b/p: Send a metal rabbit down the hole.
	♥ 8:09pm coelacanth∅: that's so metal, man! (and don't do that without your recorder ready)
	8:09pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey still b/p! @coelacanthø, unfortunately no other info on that metal hole :/
	♥ 8:10pm melinda: This is nice.
	♥ 8:15pm coelacanth∅: so it's bottle caps. i wonder if he drank all those beers!
	♥ 8:20pm coelacanth∅: ...and other discarded materials. i like resourcing trash to art; very respectable. and his art is interesting.
	8:21pm Jesse Kaminsky: Art 21 did a short video in his studio in Nigeria, worth a watch: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 8:33pm coelacanth∅: i'll have to wait until i'm on a different computer that doesn't freeze with youboob. ...his site says he's from ghana, which is where i bought my bougarabou from. that got me wondering what that craftman was up to. i'm not finding him though. it'd be a shame if he's not making drums any more.
	8:35pm Jesse Kaminsky: He was born in Ghana but spent most of his life in Nigeria as far as I know.
	8:39pm Jesse Kaminsky: do you play the bougarabou coelacanthø?
	♥ 8:42pm coelacanth∅: right, it says he works and lives "between" ghana and nigeria. 'can't find info on what materials he's using though - besides bottle caps.
	8:43pm Jesse Kaminsky: got a pic coming up next that might illuminate. It's mostly discarded wine foil caps and other (mostly alcoholic) drink caps and wrappers. Usually held together with copper wire I think.
	♥ 8:47pm coelacanth∅: -yeah i play drums. i play anything that i can and have an odd collection of instruments, but can't say i play them well! -certainly not conventionally. -and i'm pretty sloppy on the drum kit; but not too bad with hand drums.
	♥ 8:50pm coelacanth∅: wow that's awesome! he actually wires each one together!
	♥ 8:51pm melinda: Cool. The close-up photo helps illuminate what's going on there.
	8:52pm Jesse Kaminsky: well, he and his crew of assistants. I showed this to a class once and they all got so mad that he used assistants, imagining that he must have spent every waking hour on this or it wasn't legit
	♥ 8:55pm coelacanth∅: i understand that; but then if he didn't have assistants the world simply would not have much of his art.
	8:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: yeah, their argument was also that he should credit them, which I can see as well.
	♥ 8:56pm coelacanth∅: i'd have to agree with that.
	♥ 8:57pm coelacanth∅: what'd they think of Andy Warhol, and his assembly line art?
	8:58pm still b/p: Make students do research on assistants in the studio through the ages. MAKE 'EM. Though I've seen phenomenally intricate and elaborate work apparently done by solo artists.
	♥ 9:01pm melinda: It is weird that assistants don't receive credit. I remember being disillusioned when I learned that a lot of art pieces aren't solo creations.
	9:03pm Jesse Kaminsky: I always thought a lecture series by the people that run the shop for successful artists would be super informative
	9:03pm Jesse Kaminsky: It is weird, just industry standard. Like what if movies just listed the director in the credits and that's it..
	♥ 9:04pm coelacanth∅: me too melinda. especially Warhol's multiple images of Marilyn or whatever - which are just mechanically duplicated images with a different color applied to each one. it wouldn't even take that long to do it himself.
	♥ 9:06pm coelacanth∅: right, Jesse...but then it's bothered me since i was a wee tyke that the string and horn sections of pop/rock records never listed every musician - just the arranger.
	♥ 9:08pm coelacanth∅: (we do see it sometimes now, though)
	9:11pm Jesse Kaminsky: Here's a secret: during the second set I ordered Pho. It just arrived.
	9:13pm still b/p: Art from centuries past is sometimes credited to "Studio of (famous name)," and attributions can get changed or blurred -- thought to be the master, then reassessed as created/executed by someone under his wing. On the music side, I sometimes think about all the anonymous voices who sang in choruses and back-up teams for popular music through the decades of the 20th century. Beyond immediate credit question, strange that there must be so damn many of them, but I never heard someone show up elsewhere saying, 'Yes, I did a bunch of Percy Faith recordings," or Nat Cole or Andy Williams back-ups or something.
	9:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, I suppose if you open a Deutche Grammophon record it probably doesn't list all the personnel, right? It's been a while since I cracked one
	9:19pm Jesse Kaminsky: I don't think we (as humans) were always so caught up in the idea of the solo genius
	♥ 9:22pm melinda: Jesse exactly. A director gets more recognition than other people working on a film, but everyone has a title and gets credit. I've often thought that artists who work on a scale that requires multiple helpers as directors, of a sort.
	♥ 9:25pm northguineahills: 'Ardcore!
	♥ 9:27pm northguineahills: 'Ardcore!
	♥ 9:27pm northguineahills: ok, more glitchery in the comments board...
	9:28pm Jesse Kaminsky: @melinda, totally but I can't imagine the art culture changing that much to give production credits. welcome back northguineahills, how was your drink?
	♥ 9:29pm northguineahills: refreshing! (got a lot of reading done)
	♥ 9:29pm coelacanth∅: what's "pho" - an asian dish, right?
	9:32pm Jesse Kaminsky: yeah Vietnamese rice noodle soup :)
	♥ 9:32pm melinda: I don't see it changing either. But it's interesting also for the reason that doing your own work and having other people execute your vision are different projects requiring different skills (with some overlapping of course), one isn't necessarily superior to the other, yet these roles are both lumped together under the artist label.
	♥ 9:33pm northguineahills: I really dig the visual artist you chose for this week. As per usual, new to me!
	♥ 9:35pm northguineahills: Heck, when it comes to music, I believe the designers who built the instruments, the machinists who pressed them w/ machines, should alsi be credited as collaborators.
	9:36pm Jesse Kaminsky: @northguineahills, his website: el-anatsui.com and a cool Art 21 video in his studio, lots of process shots and stuff: www.youtube.com...
	9:36pm still b/p: Can only imagine the extra effort and relationship zones required for some artists, i.e., for casting sculptures you gotta find foundry individuals who get you and are good 'n reliable.
	♥ 9:38pm coelacanth∅: ngh i like that idea; and i think occasionally, within the incorrectly named genre "experimantal music", that actually happens.
	9:38pm still b/p: Did the zebras get credit for this track?
	9:39pm Jesse Kaminsky: Besides which, I think it's just much less interesting to think about artists as mythical solitary figures than as real humans who have to talk to and work with other people to execute often fluid processes.
	♥ 9:44pm coelacanth∅: Stravinsky wasn't expected to play every instrument in his compositions, nor was Frank Zappa. i, myself might be creating some good music if i had other people with playing talent at my disposal. i certainly would take advantage of that; but i'd definitely give each and every player credit - including credit for arranging their parts, if they did so.
	♥ 9:45pm northguineahills: @Jesse: I already shared the site.
	♥ 9:46pm coelacanth∅: as for visual art - it's hard to imagine...but i guess if i made art like this (<) i might.
	♥ 9:46pm northguineahills: Crap, time to go back to cleaning/unpacking. If I don't get back, thanks Jesse!
	9:47pm Jesse Kaminsky: np northguineahills, have a good unpacking!
	♥ 9:48pm melinda: I do little drawings and I'm introverted, so it's hard for me to imagine conceiving only of projects that require others in order to take form.
	♥ 9:50pm coelacanth∅: tchau ngh ...i wonder if El Anatsui's art would be different if he did it all himself. i think so. i think if it were all him there'd be more deliberate patterns within the bigger swatches of specific materials.
	♥ 9:53pm coelacanth∅: same for myself, melinda. my drawing is my drawing. i'm positive that if i commissioned someone else - no matter who, and no matter how detailed the instructions, that it would not end up exactly as if i had done it.
	9:54pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hard to know, his website has lot of earlier work that looks smaller in scale and could have bene solo, very different than the tapestries that he became famous for. There could be ways to take into account the uncertainty of other people building things and allow that to be the process.
	9:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: but I suspect you're right, totally different process
	9:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: maybe
	9:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: lol
	♥ 9:55pm coelacanth∅: haha!
	♥ 10:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jesse! have a good week Jesse, melinda, stillb/p...
	10:00pm still b/p: Grazie, Jezze.
	10:00pm still b/p: ..and cfish.
	♥ 10:01pm melinda: ta!

Neighbors Noise with Jesse Kaminsky: Playlist from October 3, 2017

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October 3, 2017: tiny stones and dry leaves

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments
Vincent Duseigne	Bruyères school / Avenue des Arts 49, 1348 Ottignies-Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium	radio aporee		2017	On june 24, my wife decided to leave me, after 17 years of common life, traveling, exploring, recording everywhere. It arrived during a long evening spent in a school ( sound https://aporee.org/maps/?loc=36999 ). We are exactly three month after. I still understood nothing, but henceforth no matter. In my new home, this is the common sound I can hear near everyday, also a school with young children. The name is heather school, in fact its the name of the district of the Louvain-La-Neuve city. It was a symbolic act to record the first day in it, new home, new life, new hopes. Regularly, you can hear my great friend the Common Starling. Nothing special about this sound, except it was my first hour in it. A new beginning.
Ting Shuo Hear Say	南門 Nanmen 2017.08, 16:20-19:15	躡步台南 Gentle Steps Tainan		2017
Thore Siebrands	Level crossing / Eckernförder Str. 339, 24107 Kiel, Deutschland	radio aporee		2017	Level crossing at night with a crossing train: warning bells and lowering gates, train passes by, gates open, sporadic traffic on the street, flag poles clattering in the wind, some collected rain drops falling on the leaves of a tree. Binaural recording, Zoom F4 recorder, Soundman OKM II Klassik microphone
Wu,Tsan-Cheng	In the woods / Zhunan Township, Miaoli County			2017	Seaside bike lane,wind,Wind Turbines, Binaural recordings ,Best with Headphone, Proposal to turn up the volume , Sony PCM D100+ Soundman OKM II ( SoundMap20170830-10) , recorded by Wu,Tsan-Cheng 吳燦政
OR poiesis	tiny stones and dry leaves falling down the metal hole / a hole in the midle of a muddy road, towards Lom Bilina, Czechia			2017

Richard Horowitz	Elephant Dance "Elephant Dance" by "Richard Horowitz"	Eros In Arabia	Freedom To Spend	2017/1981
Coil	Baby Food "Baby Food" by "Coil"		Sub Rosa	2017/1993
Caterina Barbieri	Information Needed To Create An Entire Body	Patterns Of Consciousness	Important Records	2017
Peder Mannerfelt	Breaking Pattern	Equality Now	Numbers.	2016
Klein	Farewell Sorry "Farewell Sorry" by "Klein"	Tommy EP	Hyperdub	2017
Music behind DJ: Domenique Dumont	La Bataille de Neige
Ninos Du Brasil	O Som De Ossos "O Som De Ossos" by "Ninos Du Brasil"	Vida Eterna	Hospital Productions	2017
Leskin	Vasistas "Vasistas" by "Leskin"	Rawer South Side Ep	Unrelated Records	2014
Breaker 1 2	DMT "DMT" by "Breaker 1 2"	Breakin'	Forbidden Planet	2013
Coucou Chloé	Erika Jane "Erika Jane" by "Coucou Chloé"	Erika Jane EP	Nuxxe	2017
Trax-X	Inter-X "Inter-X" by "Trax-X"	Proton 99 EP	Re-load Records	1995
Datasmok	Untitled "Untitled" by "Datasmok"	01	Panzerkreuz Records	2014
Frak	Ufo's Welcome "Ufo's Welcome" by "Frak"	Hard Friends	Börft Records	1994
City	Pain Power "Pain Power" by "City"	A Goal is an Image	Halcyon Veil	2017
Still	Bubbling Ambessa (Afrikan Messiah Riddim)	I	Pan	2017
7FO	Quiet Flash "Quiet Flash" by "7FO"		Bokeh Versions	2017
Tomasa del Real	Prendelo (feat. Ceaese)	Bien Y Mal	recordJet	2016

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Listener comments!
	♥ 7:03pm coelacanth∅: Hi Neighbor! you sure are noisy!
	7:04pm Jesse Kaminsky: Howdy coelacanthø it can't be helped, it's in my name!
	♥ 7:06pm northguineahills: I'm going to have to leave work soon, so, I'll only get the beginning of the field recording portion.
	♥ 7:06pm gloomsday: hello hello! :) these are some delightfully opinionated birds we're listening to today.
	♥ 7:07pm coelacanth∅: oh i like when my neighbors are noisy, so they can't justify complaining about me!
	7:09pm Jesse Kaminsky: no complaints here, noise it up! Hi @northguineahills! I recommend leaving work now but that's just me. Hi @gloomsday, the birds are actually very accommodating once you get to know them..
	7:15pm geezerette: My cat would have loved this. She'd be searching for the birds and circling back to me for an answer.
	7:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: hey geezerette! There are a wealth of youtube videos for cats, long set shots of birds and fishtanks that I sometimes project for my cats. They are always confused.
	♥ 7:20pm northguineahills: Ok, 10+ hours is long enough (and I've been the only one at the office all day), I'm off for a drink, since I can afford that again. I'll hit you at the end of your show.
	7:21pm Jesse Kaminsky: sounds great, well earned. Welcome back to the working world!
	♥ 7:22pm coelacanth∅: i wish my neighborhood sounded something like this. where i moved from a year ago sort of did. better, in my opinion. a variety of birds, including a variety of owls; insects; very active squirrels; deer (& other, non-noisy animals); an occasionally howling dog not far away and other dogs a little farther; geese, seasonally; and a rail trail at the bottom of the hill that was the house's back/my front yard - so occasional interesting loud walkers, and a daily group of waldorf school children walking once in each direction. 'never heard a neighbor's tv or anyone's rap or other crappy music, except the rare drive by at the student housing nearby. (which also contributed some interesting noise sometimes, and some partying - but rarely enough that the sound was welcome) - now it's just the gas station/convenience store next door, and a busy street pretty close by. ...this too shall pass.
	♥ 7:23pm coelacanth∅: jeez, sorry! i didn't realise i went on so long!
	♥ 7:23pm melinda: hi peeps
	7:24pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hi melinda! @coelacanthø, I just played a 20 minute track of birds and kids playing so not really anyone to talk about going on too long...
	7:30pm geezerette: Hello Coel, Melinda, NGH ! I'm loitering, back to work now!
	♥ 7:31pm coelacanth∅: heh, thanks Jesse! i think i was lost in reminiscence. makes me sad; i really liked that crappy little attic apartment.
	♥ 7:32pm coelacanth∅: hey g!
	♥ 7:33pm melinda: It's sad when you have to leave a place you like. I once had an old attic apartment.
	♥ 7:38pm coelacanth∅: yeah the landlord thought he could renovate it and get a lot more money for it. i actually would've paid 100 bucks more/month if he really did fix it up; but i know he didn't...and he's probably sorry that he lost me, because now that apartment will join the other 6 in the house that are constantly changing occupants, with long periods of vacancy in-between.
	7:51pm Jesse Kaminsky: images are of sculptures from the 2000's by El Anatsui: el-anatsui.com
	7:57pm still b/p: I'm right about at the 20th anniversary of my arrival in this apartment. Freaky long compared to residency tales and histories of most people I know. The Wu environment sounds like being aboard ship.
	7:58pm Jesse Kaminsky: I think it's a wind farm but I've never been up close to one to find out
	♥ 8:03pm coelacanth∅: i've driven by vast fields of wind turbines, but silly me didn't own a good recorder at the times.
	♥ 8:04pm coelacanth∅: i'd like to know more about this metal hole in the middle of a muddy road.
	8:06pm still b/p: Send a metal rabbit down the hole.
	♥ 8:09pm coelacanth∅: that's so metal, man! (and don't do that without your recorder ready)
	8:09pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hey still b/p! @coelacanthø, unfortunately no other info on that metal hole :/
	♥ 8:10pm melinda: This is nice.
	♥ 8:15pm coelacanth∅: so it's bottle caps. i wonder if he drank all those beers!
	♥ 8:20pm coelacanth∅: ...and other discarded materials. i like resourcing trash to art; very respectable. and his art is interesting.
	8:21pm Jesse Kaminsky: Art 21 did a short video in his studio in Nigeria, worth a watch: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 8:33pm coelacanth∅: i'll have to wait until i'm on a different computer that doesn't freeze with youboob. ...his site says he's from ghana, which is where i bought my bougarabou from. that got me wondering what that craftman was up to. i'm not finding him though. it'd be a shame if he's not making drums any more.
	8:35pm Jesse Kaminsky: He was born in Ghana but spent most of his life in Nigeria as far as I know.
	8:39pm Jesse Kaminsky: do you play the bougarabou coelacanthø?
	♥ 8:42pm coelacanth∅: right, it says he works and lives "between" ghana and nigeria. 'can't find info on what materials he's using though - besides bottle caps.
	8:43pm Jesse Kaminsky: got a pic coming up next that might illuminate. It's mostly discarded wine foil caps and other (mostly alcoholic) drink caps and wrappers. Usually held together with copper wire I think.
	♥ 8:47pm coelacanth∅: -yeah i play drums. i play anything that i can and have an odd collection of instruments, but can't say i play them well! -certainly not conventionally. -and i'm pretty sloppy on the drum kit; but not too bad with hand drums.
	♥ 8:50pm coelacanth∅: wow that's awesome! he actually wires each one together!
	♥ 8:51pm melinda: Cool. The close-up photo helps illuminate what's going on there.
	8:52pm Jesse Kaminsky: well, he and his crew of assistants. I showed this to a class once and they all got so mad that he used assistants, imagining that he must have spent every waking hour on this or it wasn't legit
	♥ 8:55pm coelacanth∅: i understand that; but then if he didn't have assistants the world simply would not have much of his art.
	8:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: yeah, their argument was also that he should credit them, which I can see as well.
	♥ 8:56pm coelacanth∅: i'd have to agree with that.
	♥ 8:57pm coelacanth∅: what'd they think of Andy Warhol, and his assembly line art?
	8:58pm still b/p: Make students do research on assistants in the studio through the ages. MAKE 'EM. Though I've seen phenomenally intricate and elaborate work apparently done by solo artists.
	♥ 9:01pm melinda: It is weird that assistants don't receive credit. I remember being disillusioned when I learned that a lot of art pieces aren't solo creations.
	9:03pm Jesse Kaminsky: I always thought a lecture series by the people that run the shop for successful artists would be super informative
	9:03pm Jesse Kaminsky: It is weird, just industry standard. Like what if movies just listed the director in the credits and that's it..
	♥ 9:04pm coelacanth∅: me too melinda. especially Warhol's multiple images of Marilyn or whatever - which are just mechanically duplicated images with a different color applied to each one. it wouldn't even take that long to do it himself.
	♥ 9:06pm coelacanth∅: right, Jesse...but then it's bothered me since i was a wee tyke that the string and horn sections of pop/rock records never listed every musician - just the arranger.
	♥ 9:08pm coelacanth∅: (we do see it sometimes now, though)
	9:11pm Jesse Kaminsky: Here's a secret: during the second set I ordered Pho. It just arrived.
	9:13pm still b/p: Art from centuries past is sometimes credited to "Studio of (famous name)," and attributions can get changed or blurred -- thought to be the master, then reassessed as created/executed by someone under his wing. On the music side, I sometimes think about all the anonymous voices who sang in choruses and back-up teams for popular music through the decades of the 20th century. Beyond immediate credit question, strange that there must be so damn many of them, but I never heard someone show up elsewhere saying, 'Yes, I did a bunch of Percy Faith recordings," or Nat Cole or Andy Williams back-ups or something.
	9:18pm Jesse Kaminsky: @coelacanthø, I suppose if you open a Deutche Grammophon record it probably doesn't list all the personnel, right? It's been a while since I cracked one
	9:19pm Jesse Kaminsky: I don't think we (as humans) were always so caught up in the idea of the solo genius
	♥ 9:22pm melinda: Jesse exactly. A director gets more recognition than other people working on a film, but everyone has a title and gets credit. I've often thought that artists who work on a scale that requires multiple helpers as directors, of a sort.
	♥ 9:25pm northguineahills: 'Ardcore!
	♥ 9:27pm northguineahills: 'Ardcore!
	♥ 9:27pm northguineahills: ok, more glitchery in the comments board...
	9:28pm Jesse Kaminsky: @melinda, totally but I can't imagine the art culture changing that much to give production credits. welcome back northguineahills, how was your drink?
	♥ 9:29pm northguineahills: refreshing! (got a lot of reading done)
	♥ 9:29pm coelacanth∅: what's "pho" - an asian dish, right?
	9:32pm Jesse Kaminsky: yeah Vietnamese rice noodle soup :)
	♥ 9:32pm melinda: I don't see it changing either. But it's interesting also for the reason that doing your own work and having other people execute your vision are different projects requiring different skills (with some overlapping of course), one isn't necessarily superior to the other, yet these roles are both lumped together under the artist label.
	♥ 9:33pm northguineahills: I really dig the visual artist you chose for this week. As per usual, new to me!
	♥ 9:35pm northguineahills: Heck, when it comes to music, I believe the designers who built the instruments, the machinists who pressed them w/ machines, should alsi be credited as collaborators.
	9:36pm Jesse Kaminsky: @northguineahills, his website: el-anatsui.com and a cool Art 21 video in his studio, lots of process shots and stuff: www.youtube.com...
	9:36pm still b/p: Can only imagine the extra effort and relationship zones required for some artists, i.e., for casting sculptures you gotta find foundry individuals who get you and are good 'n reliable.
	♥ 9:38pm coelacanth∅: ngh i like that idea; and i think occasionally, within the incorrectly named genre "experimantal music", that actually happens.
	9:38pm still b/p: Did the zebras get credit for this track?
	9:39pm Jesse Kaminsky: Besides which, I think it's just much less interesting to think about artists as mythical solitary figures than as real humans who have to talk to and work with other people to execute often fluid processes.
	♥ 9:44pm coelacanth∅: Stravinsky wasn't expected to play every instrument in his compositions, nor was Frank Zappa. i, myself might be creating some good music if i had other people with playing talent at my disposal. i certainly would take advantage of that; but i'd definitely give each and every player credit - including credit for arranging their parts, if they did so.
	♥ 9:45pm northguineahills: @Jesse: I already shared the site.
	♥ 9:46pm coelacanth∅: as for visual art - it's hard to imagine...but i guess if i made art like this (<) i might.
	♥ 9:46pm northguineahills: Crap, time to go back to cleaning/unpacking. If I don't get back, thanks Jesse!
	9:47pm Jesse Kaminsky: np northguineahills, have a good unpacking!
	♥ 9:48pm melinda: I do little drawings and I'm introverted, so it's hard for me to imagine conceiving only of projects that require others in order to take form.
	♥ 9:50pm coelacanth∅: tchau ngh ...i wonder if El Anatsui's art would be different if he did it all himself. i think so. i think if it were all him there'd be more deliberate patterns within the bigger swatches of specific materials.
	♥ 9:53pm coelacanth∅: same for myself, melinda. my drawing is my drawing. i'm positive that if i commissioned someone else - no matter who, and no matter how detailed the instructions, that it would not end up exactly as if i had done it.
	9:54pm Jesse Kaminsky: Hard to know, his website has lot of earlier work that looks smaller in scale and could have bene solo, very different than the tapestries that he became famous for. There could be ways to take into account the uncertainty of other people building things and allow that to be the process.
	9:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: but I suspect you're right, totally different process
	9:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: maybe
	9:55pm Jesse Kaminsky: lol
	♥ 9:55pm coelacanth∅: haha!
	♥ 10:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jesse! have a good week Jesse, melinda, stillb/p...
	10:00pm still b/p: Grazie, Jezze.
	10:00pm still b/p: ..and cfish.
	♥ 10:01pm melinda: ta!

Neighbors Noise with Jesse Kaminsky: Playlist from October 3, 2017

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