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Options February 2, 2017: Hear the Helicopter, Hear the Thunder: In Memoriam Jaki Liebezeit

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Artist Track Album Year Comments Approx. start time
  Intro          
Can  The Master and the Needle   Options Onlyou  1976    0:01:31 ()
Can  Beethovenstrasse   Options Beethovenstrasse  1973  Audio from 1973 episode of the German TV program, "Tatort" (Crime Scene), directed by Samuel Fuller with music by Can. Episode name: "Dead Dove on Beethoven Street"  0:04:00 ()
Can  Auf Der Einbahnstrasse Part One   Options Ogam Ogat  1971  Recorded during Tago Mago sessions  0:14:29 ()
 
Music behind DJ:
Michael Rother 
Feuerland   Options Flammende Herzen  1977  with Liebezeit on drums  0:31:39 ()
Can  Machine Dance I & II   Options Onlyou  1976  rec. 1976 at Innerspace studios, informal session  0:41:36 ()
Can  One More Day   Options Out of Reach  1978    0:43:37 ()
Can  Seven Days Awake   Options Out of Reach  1978    0:45:09 ()
Can  Safe   Options Can  1978    0:50:08 ()
Can  Smoke (E.F.S. No. 59)   Options Flow Motion  1976    0:58:54 ()
Can  Flow Motion   Options Flow Motion  1976    1:04:08 ()
Can   Ping-Pong   Options Can  1978    1:14:36 ()
Holger Czukay  Das Massenmedium   Options Der Osten Ist Rot  1984  arr. Czukay & Liebezeit, with Liebezeit on drums  1:15:55 ()
Phew  Mapping   Options Phew  1981  with Holger Czukay, Jaki Liebezeit and Conny Plank  1:19:03 ()
Holger Czukay  Hit Hit Flop Flop   Options Rome Remains Rome  1987  with Liebezeit on drums (and Karoli on guitar, Jah Wobble on bass, and I think Sheldon Ancel on vocs)  1:22:33 ()
Holger Czukay, Jah Wobble, Jaki Liebezeit  Full Circle R.S.P. (No 7)   Options Full Circle  1982    1:32:21 ()
Can  Animal Waves   Options Saw Delight  1977    1:37:36 ()
 
Music behind DJ:
Michael Rother 
Sonnenrad   Options Sterntaler  1978  with Liebezeit on drums  1:52:57 ()
Can  On the Way to Mother Sky   Options The Lost Tapes  1970    2:07:00 ()
Can  Pinch   Options Horrortrip in the Paperhouse  1973  Live BBC 1973  2:11:06 ()
Can   Doko E   Options Outtake Edition Complete Rehearsal Collection  1970-73?  complete sessions to Doko E, a short version of which appeared on Unlimited Edition  2:28:12 ()
Can  Graublau   Options Lost Tapes  1969    2:38:35 ()
 
Music behind DJ:
Michael Rother 
Klangkörper   Options Fernwärme  1982  with Liebezeit on drums  2:58:22 ()
Can  A Swan is Born   Options The Lost Tapes  1972    2:58:35 ()


Listener comments!

Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 6:57pm Flash Strap:

Evening Drummers, Explorers, Psychotic Junkanauts
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 6:57pm listener james from westwood:

How do, Evan and all!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 6:58pm Flash Strap:

Listener James, hello!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 6:59pm Flash Strap:

Tonight is Can rarities and the extremely choicest cuts from Can's less-good late LPs

It will be grand
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 7:03pm hyde:

hallo
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:06pm Flash Strap:

Halloluwah to ya Hyde!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:07pm Flash Strap:

a different version of these sessions were released under the title "Dead Pigeon Suite" on The Lost Tapes. I find this version, with incidental audio from the episode, to be equally compelling if not more so
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 7:08pm Alejandroool:

I tuned into the stream at the RIGHT time!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:08pm Flash Strap:

Ah, hello and welcome Alejandroool!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 7:12pm doctorjazz:

Hi explorers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 7:13pm Little Danny:

Hi Flash and all! I'm getting a good feeling about the next 3 hours. Also, great photo of Jaki
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:15pm Flash Strap:

Hi Doc! Nice to have you in the office!

Hi LD! I know, he looks great in that pic
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:16pm Doug Schulkind:

Yes we Can!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:17pm Flash Strap:

Doug is Hear!

Evenin' Cap'n
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:18pm Flash Strap:

These uncut sessions might not be as tight as the album edits, but it's so cool to hear raw wild Damo. And Jaki's relentlessness unleashed
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:21pm Doug Schulkind:

I want to rewind my life an go back to the point where I made the strange calculation not to fall madly in love with Can. I want to have a conversation with that version of myself and find out what the hell I was thinking.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:24pm Flash Strap:

I know that feeling. I'd kind of like to get back all those years I spent in indifference to the Beach Boys, or sleeping on Sly Stone
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:26pm Flash Strap:

damn those DRUUUUUMS
  Thu. 2/2/17 7:26pm MrFab:

Dont know about you Doug, but among me and my New Wave friends, artists like Can and Beefheart fell into the category of: cool, but they're hippies. Y'know, OLD. Long hair 'n' beards (snicker, snicker). I eventually became an obsessive fan (of Beefhearts too)
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:28pm Flash Strap:

Hi Mr Fab!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:30pm Doug Schulkind:

@MrFab
For me it was much more about them being.... white. I dismissed SO much essential music for that very misguided reason. The last 35 years of my life has been an extended project trying to undo the damage of that youthful small-mindedness.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 7:31pm doctorjazz:

Have to say, Can got completely by me as well, have to check them out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 7:32pm Alejandroool:

I can relate in another way, I spent too much of my youth in a narrow-minded punk state of mind and missed out on very much as a result. I also only first listened to CAN a few years back.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 7:37pm doctorjazz:

I was open to hippie stuff, I was open to punk, I was open to disco at this time, not sure I'd have been able to digest the Can stuff...took me until the late 70's to absorb Miles Davis and jazz, improvised music followed.
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 7:42pm hyde:

heh, it's funny to hear how everyone missed Can. i did too. not sure how. was really into 60's music/avant garde jazz in high school in the late 1970's. then went pretty punk/hardcore in college though i stuck with the jazz and the blues. still somehow missed Can until much later!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:45pm Flash Strap:

I hear ya Doug. Every time I read "Liebezeit=greatest drummer of all time" I think, I LOVE him, but maybe you meant to write greatest WHITE drummer of all time
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:47pm Flash Strap:

so much of this album blows, but these 2 tracks are pure Liebezeit thunder
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:52pm Doug Schulkind:

I have trouble ranking things I love. I could say, "no, Max Roach was the greatest drummer of all time," and I wouldn't be wrong. But there are certain moments when for some particular duration of time, Jaki Liebzeit IS the greatest ever. I guess if you placed the Max moments end-to-end, they would extend farther out than anyone else's string of moments. But I am never residing at the end of a string. I jut stay in the middle of it, where "distance" is irrelevant.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:52pm Flash Strap:

Wisdom from the Wise Man
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:53pm Doug Schulkind:

Or, as Rahsaan Roland Kirk would say, Boogie-Woogie String Along For Real.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 7:57pm Flash Strap:

I've been rummaging through my brain pile and I can't really think of anyone I'd put up to compete with Roach or Liebezeit

Who else has skin in the game? Curious to get some drummerthoughts
  Thu. 2/2/17 7:59pm MrFab:

JB's funky drummer (for whom this stream is named after) Clyde Stubblefield?
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:00pm Flash Strap:

man this track just hammmmers
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:03pm Flash Strap:

I hear ya Fab
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:04pm Doug Schulkind:

@MrFab
Big love and respect for understanding the drummer some reference!

@Flash Strap
I don't think I would find myself saying that Jaki was the greatest drummer ever, but I will aver right here and now at top voice: No one ever made a tom-tom sound better.
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:04pm hyde:

well, there are also, y'know, different drummers for different things. i wouldn't argue with anyone who said roach or liebezeit. i probably also wouldn't argue with anyone who felt strongly about al jackson jr. or chick webb. or that guy from Chic.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:05pm coelacanth∅:

greetings Evan and Explorers
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:05pm hyde:

Tony Thompson! that's the guy from Chic. i'm ashamed i had to look that up.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:06pm Flash Strap:

Righteous answer Hyde. Nodding my head vigorously.

Hi Coelacanth!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:07pm Flash Strap:

This track actually has some of my favorite work from Karoli, I love it when he goes for a big sound.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:07pm Doug Schulkind:

@hyde
Here in Drummerstreamland there is no shame. Just love and knowledge.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Good Evening! Episode clicky☆. Boom.
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:10pm hyde:

@Doug haha. i still should have known ;)
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:10pm Flash Strap:

Hi Rab! honored to get the auto-star treatment.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:16pm Flash Strap:

I was going to do a mic break after that ping-pong track, but I was feeling the groove so hard I couldn't break in and yak. So we get a double-set in one convenient carrying case
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:17pm Flash Strap:

I mean, I don't know about you guys, but i am J A M M I N G
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Posting everywhere - Sound Opinions' great overview of the History & Influence of Krautrock: www.soundopinions.org... ...elementary to many here likely but good.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:20pm Flash Strap:

will check it out, Rab. I am a great lover of the genre and have a literal ton of it but there's so much about the whole scene I've yet to learn
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Here I am a Julian Cope enthusiast - yet even good Cliff Notes are gonna benefit me...appreciate this now!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:23pm doctorjazz:

This Holger Czukay is very cool...I'm totally in the dark about this stuff.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:24pm Flash Strap:

I've never died for Sheldon's vocals on any of this stuff, but this song is so insane I can't resist it. And Liebezeit is like a cartoon drummer, all over the place
  Thu. 2/2/17 8:24pm MrFab:

That Czukay solo stuff was popular on college radio in the '80s ("Cool in the Pool" = classic). He was often accompanied by such young disciples as Jah Wobble and an up-and-coming guitarist known as "The Edge." Funny. It's like if Bono backed up Nina Hagen or sumthin.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:25pm Flash Strap:

@Doc jazz: I did a whole show of Czukay's stuff in October last year, he has so much amazing post-Can material it's unbelievable
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:26pm doctorjazz:

I'll have to check out the archive, sounds really good.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:26pm Flash Strap:

@Fab: gettin' some of that Wobble stuff now. And yeah, Cool in the Pool is the best song of the 80s as far as I'm concerned
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:28pm doctorjazz:

I'm going to show my hippie roots now, Karolli reminds me a bit at times of Jerry Garcia.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:28pm Flash Strap:

@RevRab: I've benefitted from, but never really agreed with, Cope's writing on Krautrock. He just trashes a lot of albums that I think are crucial, masterpieces, and heavily favors the heavy metal/heavy psych aspects, which I think are often the least original things in the canon. My 2¢ on Cope
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:29pm melinda:

hi people!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:31pm Flash Strap:

@Doc: Personally, I've really embraced or loved Jerry's guitar, but the similarities are clearly there. High trebley noodles, daydreaming away
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:32pm Flash Strap:

Though I think on this track, it's Czukay doing his best Karoli impression

Hi Melinda!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:36pm melinda:

Has anyone ever heard some low-volume, unexpected and good music in a public place and thought 'wow, this cab driver/veterinary office has great musical taste' only to discover it's coming from an accidentally activated ipod in your bag? That happened to me again tonight. You'd think I would figure it out the first time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@FS: OK - kinda makes sense. Cope's been very important to me in quite a few areas - but when I differ - it's notable. Jazz ferinstance. I'm a tiny bit partial to it...Lester Bangs began by *trashing* the MC5 - sort of thing...
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:38pm hyde:

my take on Julian Cope is sort of like my take on Robert Christgau. i disagree many times; but i respect the breadth of what they've listened to and reviewed for general consumption.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:39pm Flash Strap:

Me too, Rab. Those kind of loose-cannon critics are still super useful and lovable. I only mention it because when I read Cope I worry that people will poo poo Cluster on his say so, or something like that. Wanted to spread some grains of salt, just for safety's sake
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:41pm hyde:

@melinda haha, that hasn't happened to me. but i had an uncle michael incident in the asian supermarket a few weeks back where his back announcing was broadcasting from my back pocket.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

He does his homework - has written about ancient stone monuments, & so on. He's expressed admiration for LesterBangs - so I think it's a relevant reference point. They write well - & they're Fun...
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:41pm Flash Strap:

This might be the best Can track to come out after 1976, though I'd love to hear what Czukay would have done on bass instead of Rosko Gee
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:42pm doctorjazz:

So, having no experience in this scene, would someone recommend albums to break me in with?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:43pm coelacanth∅:

the opposite of whatever robert christgau recommends!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:46pm Flash Strap:

Can: Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma

Other bands that really do it for me that are basic figures of the scene are Neu!, Harmonia, Cluster, Moebius & Plank

There's so much though!
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:46pm hyde:

@Coelecanth haha oh come on now. he likes some good stuff ;)
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:47pm doctorjazz:

Thanks, Flash, I see some of the Can on Amazon, I'll check for some of the others.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:47pm Flash Strap:

Maybe I'll do a few krautrock shows soon, throw some stuff out there and see what sticks with the doc
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Sounds like two drummers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 8:48pm doctorjazz:

Gonna leave the office, take you with me in the car, thanks for a fine show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...more than traps probably - still - yerknow - love a great drummer - everybody plays guitar...
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 8:49pm hyde:

@doctorjazz fwiw me, i'd add in Ash Ra Tempel and Faust
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:50pm Flash Strap:

Yeah, Rab: Reebop Kwaku Baah is handling drums in addition to Jaki on this one

@Hyde: absolutely, esp. Faust
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

More than one drummer synched together is a feat of its' own.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 8:53pm coelacanth∅:

true hyde. they all have been right at least a few times, and he's not the worst of 'em.
it just is obvious that so often they really didn't listen to what they're dissing; or they have an agenda based on their disappointed expectations.
...sometimes i think the trash rag (ie rolling stone) has assigned someone to review something by someone the reviewer just doesn't like.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:54pm Doug Schulkind:

Rebop Kwaku Baah, the most onomatopoeic name in percussion ever?
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 8:54pm Doug Schulkind:

Not counting the group M'Boom, of course,
  Thu. 2/2/17 8:58pm Ehd:

Hello Everybody!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:06pm Flash Strap:

Hi Ehd!
Avatar    Thu. 2/2/17 9:07pm hyde:

hiya, Ehd
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:09pm Flash Strap:

@Doug: as Nabokov would say it: Ree-Bop-Kwa-ku-Baah: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of five steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Ree-Bop. Kwa-ku. Baah.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:15pm Flash Strap:

Crazy sound on this recording! And Damo is fully in demonic mode
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:17pm Doug Schulkind:

Ree-Bop-Kwa-ku-Baah sounds like a Kurt Schwitters utterance from Ursonate!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:17pm Flash Strap:

Yes!
  Thu. 2/2/17 9:20pm Doctorjazz:

pulled over...
anyone feel a kind of Buddy Miles /Band of Gypsies vibe? the insistent drum roll style reminds me of him.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:22pm Flash Strap:

totally get that, doc
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:23pm Flash Strap:

like Band of Gypsies a lot better than Experience for that reason, more or less
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:24pm Flash Strap:

OH MY GOD
  Thu. 2/2/17 9:25pm Ehd:

Yeah. Intense stuff
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:29pm Flash Strap:

we're not actually going to hear the whole Doko E session, which is almost 40 minutes long apparently. We're coming in about 10 minutes in
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:30pm Flash Strap:

During my Can show last October, we had Mayuko in the comments translating Damo's Japanese on the Unlimited Edition version of this track. pretty cool
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:39pm Little Danny:

Oh shit, I did not know about this Lost Tapes compilation
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:39pm Flash Strap:

Crazy huge sound here from early Can
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:40pm Little Danny:

Is the Lost Tapes all early stuff?
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:41pm Flash Strap:

It's so good Danny!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:41pm Doug Schulkind:

I've heard of opening up a can of whoopass, Flash Strap, but you are opening up a whoopass of Can.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:42pm Flash Strap:

No, it goes all the way up to 77. Super cool stuff all the way through. Some more info: www.discogs.com...
  Thu. 2/2/17 9:42pm Doctorjazz:

great stuff, thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:42pm Little Danny:

@Doug hahaha - totally!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:42pm Flash Strap:

Can whoops ass all on it's own, I am only the opener
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:43pm Doug Schulkind:

Cleave ope' the world, Mighty Flash!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:45pm Flash Strap:

Even in 69, Czukay is busting out that shortwave!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:45pm coelacanth∅:

i'm sorry but i have to say it! i think even indirectly comparing Jaki to buddy miles is profoundly insulting! he was the worst thing that ever happened to Jimi, on a musical level, and he knew it.
(Mitch Mitchell, on the other hand, was on the kit what Jimi was with a guitar.)
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:46pm geezerette:

Hello & nearly goodbye,but WOW! Can't wait to take it from the top.
Cheers,Evan and company.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:47pm coelacanth∅:

(he meaning Jimi. i doubt the arrogant mr. miles could've admitted it)
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:48pm Doug Schulkind:

Eargasming.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:49pm Flash Strap:

My impulse is to disagree, but I am no huge Jimi scholar so I'll fess ignorance. I have always generally preferred Gypsies to Experience, which is technically good but often sounds technical in a way I don't think is good

that said, the best stuff with Experience is some of the best stuff there is... though the same can be said of Gypsies. I don't think he could have pulled off Machine gun in the same way with Mitchell?
  Thu. 2/2/17 9:52pm Doctorjazz:

I wasn't implying a similar level of talent or artistry, but, for wow a while there, the drumming considered, to my ears, of a steady drum roll, that was Miles signature. add the show progressed I could hear other things the drums did as well, but he definitely used some of the same kind of techniques.
  Thu. 2/2/17 9:54pm Doctorjazz:

(I was always more partial to the Experience myself)
  Thu. 2/2/17 9:56pm Doctorjazz:

(pity Jimi never got to record with the other Miles...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:56pm coelacanth∅:

until recently i would've used exactly that example to say miles was the right drummer for certain tracks; but recently learned that some things i thought had Buddy actually had Mitch, and realised Mitch was capable of hard-hitting, simple drumming also, when required.
...also, my favorite tracks with Mitchell are not necessarily "the experience". his blues tracks that were never released during Jimi's lifetime show both Jimi and Mitch at their best. they spoke their own language and played textue, while the bassist (preferably Billy Cox - also not the experience) held it together.
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:57pm DRUMMER STREAM:

The Coole Blue Flame with Little Danny is up next! Playlist here: wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:57pm listener james from westwood:

thanks for the amazing sweeping show!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:58pm Little Danny:

Thanks Doug! And thanks for the epic show, Flash!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:58pm coelacanth∅:

oh hell yeah, Doctorj! Hendrix & Davis!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Thu. 2/2/17 9:58pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Evan! that was special and Amazing!
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:59pm Flash Strap:

I'm pickin up what you're puttin down, C., and recognizing it as wisdom
Avatar Thu. 2/2/17 9:59pm Flash Strap:

Thanks, all! I loved doing this one! Good night!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Thu. 2/2/17 10:00pm Ike:

Good night & thanks!
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