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Favoriting May 6, 2024: "Data Grab" by Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry

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Today: Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry discuss their new book “Data Grab: The New Colonialism of Big Tech and How to Fight Back.”

Data Grab: The New Colonialism of Big Tech and How to Fight Back, by Ulises Mejias and Nick Couldry

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtolgrims!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Hey Mark! Hey friends!
  6:01pm
malĥerbo (nl):

Hi! Mark! Techdinges!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonians!
  6:03pm
Dean:

I got a bright idea! Wendy played a track from this on her show that just ended:
https://markshreeve-tributealbum.bandcamp.com/album/berlin-a-tribute-album-for-mark-shreeve

Some of this would be terrific Techtonic bed music!
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Triple G:

Hi Mark and SuperTonics
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melinda:

howdy!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyons!
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MarciB:

Hello Mark + all. Looking forward to this episode!
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Triple G:

Just yesterday I saw this book in the window at a famed bookstore in the North Beach area of SF
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MarciB:

I wonder if the authors are going to discuss how big tech wants us all to clone ourselves...I just read a newsletter from a biz coach who just did that with the help of Delphi AI
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Jim the Poet:

But I don't want to be a colony!
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Handy Haversack:

Colonialism has never left because it was the formative stage of extractive capitalism -- which big tech is the ultimate(?) expression of -- ultimate in the sense of last, too, it seems, as their rate of extraction should neatly doom us, workers and capitalists both, relatively quickly if left unchecked.

Let's get to checking!
  6:07pm
P.Welles:

Transhumanistic the last frontier.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

A scholarly publisher -- classy choice, Mark!
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newton:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:10
hmm, it's available on Amazon.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ newton @6:12
And from responsible sources, too.
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
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Triple G:

↳ newton @6:12
At least the publisher is (and that link here in the playlist leads to) The University of Chicago Press
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Handy Haversack:

bookshop.org...

press.uchicago.edu...

shop.wordbookstores.com...
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San Pedro Girl:

↳ Triple G @6:06
I think it is the only book store in North Beach.
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Mark Hurst:

@ultra, @wendy, @malĥerbo, @Chresti, @Dean, @TripleG, @Handy, @Marci, @Jim, @P.W, @WtSG, @SanPedroGirl - welcome to all of you!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:10
Nicely researched book!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:07
too late, Jim
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newton:

↳ Triple G @6:13
yes, I saw. Also on Abe books (which is amazon) but another edition from a different international publisher, it says largely the same content...
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Dean @6:03
will take a listen, thanks
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Jim the Poet:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:15
uh oh I better get the Very Short Introduction to Being a Colony
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:16
Already published under the title "Google's Terms and Conditions"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
DjLorraine:

I've been looking forward to this show. Hello.
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Handy Haversack:

"The people most affected ... tend to be the same populations most affected by historical colonialism" is so key. It's the key to all of it. Colonialism and capitalism ONLY WORK by this process of the creation of the oppressed population of workers. And by dividing that population against itself. Recapitulated every day in the actions of big tech.

I like this book already, Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ DjLorraine @6:17
Welcome, @DjLorraine!
  6:18pm
P.Welles:

Mark, and crew, my gate way into these topics was 4 arguments for the the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander.
  6:21pm
Marie in Chicago:

This is great. Thank you, Mark, Ulises, and Nick.
  6:24pm
P-90:

I remember Jerry Mander! How many years ago was that…?
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coelacanth∅:

"ai missionaries" replacing the traditional arrogant scum known as "missionaries".
  6:25pm
P.Welles:

1978
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tim:

Hey Mark and everyone!
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Ciggy:

Mark
Swimming the same deep water as you is hard
"The shallow drowned lose less than we"
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Enflod:

Hi Mark. Yet another reason to check out God Human Animal Machine by Meghan O'Gieblyn—she talks a lot about transhumanism and the parallels with religion. www.penguinrandomhouse.com...
  6:26pm
P-90:

(rhetorical question but thanks)
  6:27pm
Marie in Chicago:

Ur gonna be able to get yer perfect lattes delivered by small airborne devices 5 seconds after you place the order using your mind...
  6:28pm
Marie in Chicago:

Corporations have been buying water rights in South America for years and it just happened in Arizona
  6:28pm
Jim in MA:

Hi Mark and techtonians! Ready for a tech-tastic time?
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newton:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:27
I make coffee at home
  6:29pm
P.Welles:

Not for politics but Dugin just talked about this state.
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listener 126464:

Seems like NJ commercial real estate is having a data center boom also.
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herb.nyc:

This is a good talk on how tech is parasitic but it claims to be beneficial. Wait, mark has been saying such for past 5,6 yrs (aside- I went to SUNY Binghamton for college. We were the Colonials. I’ll bet it’s been changed)
  6:31pm
morphe':

Good older film about water in colonized places =
tambien la lluvias..
  6:31pm
Marie in Chicago:

People want to believe in the good faith of corporations--fools!
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Deano de los Muertos:

Hey Mark and everyone…interesting show, as always
  6:32pm
Marie in Chicago:

The American right wants to give corporations carte blanche
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Deano de los Muertos @6:32
Thanks, Deano
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Will thee SG OCNY:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:31
Most corporations want the public to think that they are good...
  6:34pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:32
partially because some actually believe it is constructive, partially because that is where the money for campaigning and lobbying come from
  6:34pm
P.Welles:

WFMU think tank
  6:35pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:33
yeah--PR
  6:36pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34
oh, and then there's all the anti-government rhetoric
  6:36pm
traven:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:34
Money and politics have always been intertwined - sad but true.
  6:37pm
Marie in Chicago:

↳ traven @6:36
Yeah and the laws governing that have varied here in the US and they have been greatly weakened in the last 30 years, in large part by the Supreme Court
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DjLorraine:

In grade school I did a report on the my city's water quality and source. I'm on team fresh water.
  6:39pm
Jim in MA:

Tech industry's ethics are a hot topic, folks! Discuss away!
  6:39pm
morphe':

↳ Will thee SG OCNY @6:33
A year or 2 after the Vadez oil spill Exxon became THE or one of the main sponsers of Earth Day
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newton:

the thing we are doing online is not the data they are grabbing. It is like the spike on a virus that allows it entry, the data, like the spike are not the goal they are the passe partout that gives them every keystroke and the time and what other apps you use and yout enabled extensions, how you pay what else you look at, your whole fingerprint and activity.
  6:41pm
P.Welles:

↳ morphe' @6:39
people dont know that stuff. and WWF oil interestes.
  6:41pm
Dean:

ChatGPT could not tell me that

belongng

...is a misspelling.
  6:42pm
Dean:

Or was it Claude...?
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DjLorraine:

At the sign of the double cross.
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tim:

I get an email once a month that reports to me how my 2nd grade daughter is using the internet at school. I don’t look at it. It goes straight into the virtual toilet which ends up in the virtual East River.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ tim @6:43
Hey! I gotta virtual swim there!
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newton:

↳ tim @6:43
who skims the virtual east river for the data?
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herb.nyc:

I heard “activist”. The people at c4aa.org are real good
  6:45pm
traven:

↳ newton @6:43
Those who are very brave or very foolish.
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Handy Haversack:

Ditch your phones. And your platforms.

You will NOT be popular. At least not yet.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and Teccies. My usual assignment was cancelled tonight, but then I had to cut the grass.
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tim:

↳ newton @6:43
Alright you weisenheimers!
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newton:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:45
we are here on a platform now
  6:47pm
Marie in Chicago:

I saw an article (I think in the Guardian) recently that said that a lot of younger peeps are opting for non-smart phones
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Enflod @6:26
SCREEN NEW DEAL
Under Cover of Mass Death, Andrew Cuomo Calls in the Billionaires to Build a High-Tech Dystopia
May 8, 2020
by Naomi Klein
theintercept.com...
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newton:

↳ tim @6:46
Im not a weisenheimer, I have no answers, only questions, and others assk better questions that I do
  6:47pm
hoeg:

i've been told the "fun" part of chatgpt is trying to trick it into telling you things it's not supposed to,
good luck with that...
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newton:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:47
I saw that too, notable that they are even making new phones that aren't smart phones
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mackeral:

great interview, thanks Mark
  6:49pm
P.Welles:

↳ newton @6:46
love this show. too bad its internet and not together.
  6:49pm
Jim in MA:

Hope everyone's navigating tech's ethical maze smoothly. Keep going!
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Handy Haversack:

But Google Classroom is really entrenched the BOE in NYC. It's seriously depressing.

And what often gets ignored in all the righteous ire about platform capture and data theft and all the underlying problems is that the actual products? They SUCK! Gmail? Google Search? Google CLASSROOM?! These are terrible, time-wasting programs that in no wise provide the services their users actually need. My god, big tech is so overweening right now that they know they can keep giving us the dog food with the oil on it, and we'll just keep asking for more.
  6:50pm
P-90:

thanks!
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tim:

I’m gonna get more Mandl then I can handle on Thursday when I see his group Emergency Group!
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newton:

↳ tim @6:50
details?
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chresti:

City of LA has sold it's soul to the google that's replacing the old payroll system
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
tim:

Im in central Illinois. Emergency Group is playing a show at Reverberation Vinyl in Bloomington IL. Emergency Group is doing a Midwest tour. I’m pretty dang excited!
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DjLorraine:

↳ Marie in Chicago @6:28
I remember that from the past.
  6:53pm
P-90:

That is def a witty and more-true-than-not definition of “dystopian fiction”
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newton:

↳ tim @6:53
cool!, My nephew is ther at IU, I'll tellhima bout it! thanx
  6:54pm
Dean:

I read "people with privilege" as "people with excessive privilege." We *want* people to enjoy privilege! I think we need to be careful about expressing sentiments against privilege at the expense of people who could stand to enjoy some.
  6:55pm
P.Welles:

servers are the enemy.
  6:55pm
hoeg:

if only the new Dune would explain how humans had to declare jihad on AI many centuries before the events of the book could happen
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tim:

↳ newton @6:54
Yes! Please do! It’s a free show. Donations appreciated. It’s going to be a stellar show. If he goes, tell him to look for me. I’ll wear a WFMU shirt.
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newton:

↳ tim @6:56
will do!
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bleubombersune:

Mark Thanks
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark! This was a humdinger! Thanks, Ulises, Nick!
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listener 126464:

Thank you, Mark & guests.
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newton:

thank you Mark!
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San Pedro Girl:

Thank you, Mark.
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm
P-90:

It’s one of the great elegant strokes of the world Herbert created, it’s better if the Butlerian Jihad is a fact in the past, and the details of how it might have happened are up to our imagination
  6:59pm
hoeg:

thanks Mark your commitment to spreading this information is inspiring :)
  7:00pm
Jim in MA:

Let's chat about the intriguing world of dystopian fiction.
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joe_rosevear:

Hello, all! I'm sad that I missed the show. I'll catch the podcast. I was busy programming--making simple tool to manage calendar and howto information in Linux.
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joe_rosevear:

I listened to the podcast, and here is my reaction: Yes it does sound like trouble, but it is more of the same baloney we've been eating since almost the creation of the PC.

I quit using Windows in about 2005 by switching to Linux. Switching to Linux was hard, but worth it. I know most people don't consider that to be an option. But think about it. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.
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