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Favoriting February 12, 2024: Astronomer Sam Lawler on the danger of Starlink satellites

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Today: Astronomer Sam Lawler on the danger of Starlink satellites

Dr. Sam Lawler’s Astronomy Research: “I am an Associate Professor of Astronomy at Campion College, and also part of the Department of Physics in the University of Regina, SK, Canada.”

Recent CBC interview Sam did about satellite pollution (Jan 11, 2024)

Research presentation Sam gave on light pollution (if you want the fully surveilled YouTube link, here it is)

Peer-reviewed research article that Sam wrote about satellite light pollution

Article for the general public that Sam wrote about that research paper

Simulations of light pollution from different latitudes

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  Astronomer Sam Lawler on the danger of Starlink satellites
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  Interview with Sam Lawler      
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Devo  Space Junk   Favoriting Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!  Warner Bros. 
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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonillites!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Drives!
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and assembled Technoids.
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Bas NL:

Mark and spaces in Space! Hi to all Earth-bounds!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Oh hi, Mark and Techtonix! Putting away records, happy to be listening.
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MarciB:

Hello all - looking forward to the show!
  6:02pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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DjLorraine:

Mark! Techtonians!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and satellites. Not good for astronomy, I tell you what! apod.nasa.gov...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Franco Twinkie:

Hey Mark.
  6:04pm
P.Welles:

Hey Mark and rebels!
  6:05pm
P.Welles:

it was HAL
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
mackeral:

Hello Techtonic friends!
Avatar 🤖 6:08pm
MarciB:

One of my colleagues posted his fan-boy take on Apple's new Face Jail and he was surprised by my non-gushing reply and facts. I'm not going to change his mind of course but I could not let it stand unchallenged. And he has kids so I'm sure he'll experience the effects first hand.
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The Butterman:

I can’t wait to hear about the Kessler effect. I LOVE the Kessler effect!
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Spikey BXL:

Listening live from the future. Hi Mark
Avatar 🤖 6:10pm
herb.nyc:

Hola. I share an obit headline from yest nytimes-

Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon, 86, Who Warned of Internet's Dangers, Dies

And this excerpt makes me think of mark’s Techtonic:

His standing-room only lectures on ethics on Monday nights were done with love
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, Handy, DiL, Bas, Wendy, Marci, chresti, DjLorraine, KfHP, Franco, P.W, mackeral, Butterman, Spikey, and herb! Thanks for joining.
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dale:

surprised she can see the aurora so close to the u.s. border.
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joe mulligan:

never thought about how LEO constellations would make light pollution in the heavens but makes sense. you can't look at the sky now without seeing a satellite go by slowly
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ultradamno:

I saw today that Musk has reassured people that most people he wants to send to Mars will die.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:03
What a photograph!
  6:14pm
P.Welles:

We have to realize Musk is insane.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:08
Someday maybe he'll look back and think - well, Marci tried to warn me...
  6:14pm
Sam:

LED lighting is such a horrible scourge. For example in liberty state park they replaced the lights with ultra bright LEDs that obliterate the skyline, and make it impossible to take night photos or just enjoy the natural darkness.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Song: "Interview with Sam Lawler"
OMG! I was *just* having a conversation today with someone whose story is pretty much what that bumper sticker says.
Avatar 🤖 6:15pm
herb.nyc:

Aside- I hear SpaceX and i think of this New Yorker bk review:

A City on Mars, by Kelly and Zach Weinersmith (Penguin Press).
This playful "homesteader's guide" to space settlement presents a bleak view of the pursuit, arguing that "an Earth with climate change and nuclear war ... is still a way better place than Mars." The authors examine the increasingly popular dream of a multi-planetary human race with a skepticism informed by ethical, logistical, and legal anxieties. They warn that the Martian landscape is whipped by "poison storms"; that space exploration without clearer laws could escalate into a "zero-sum scramble" for resources; and that science has barely grazed the unknowns of long-term extraterrestrial habitation.
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dale:

↳ Sam @6:14
they mess up your shortwave reception too. not as bad as wi fi though.
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Franco Twinkie:

Anyone who's seen Invasion Of The body Snatchers knows all police are dupes of the space aliens.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Sam @6:14
I'm so mixed about LED public lighting. It emits less light pollution than the cobra-head street lights, but it also creates many dark areas, which are unsettling to vulnerable folks (like women, for example), who may not want to walk on a street with a shit-ton of dark areas.
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HyperDose:

This is how Umbrella Corp started
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ultradamno:

Apple Vision Pro wearing while driving Tesla Cybertruck www.cartoq.com...
  6:18pm
P.Welles:

INSANE!
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joe mulligan:

40,000 satellites makes it tough to avoid collisions
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Reagan NY ZEN RN:

This scares the begeeeebers outta ME
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MarciB:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:14
That's what I tell myself - call me - call us- Cassandra
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Sam @6:14
Agreed. Places are going nuts with those things. I can be a quarter mile away from some bank in town and it's bright enough to read by. Yark!
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herb.nyc:

↳ joe mulligan @6:18
Send up specialized satellites as crossing guards
  6:19pm
Sam:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:17
The ones I’ve seen around here are so bright they completely obliterate dark areas and can be seen from almost a mile away. You can’t even look directly at them. More and more car headlights are like that too.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ MarciB @6:19
Call me Ishmael. Call me Cassandra. Call me Ishmandra.
  6:20pm
Sam:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:20
Shirley you must be joking.
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coelacanth∅:

i would also like all earth's resources used to create and fly these satellites back on/in earth please.
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joe mulligan:

↳ herb.nyc @6:19
ha!
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Fredericks:

I am arriving late, has anyone mentioned not having lights on the satellites?
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MarciB:

And my nephew keeps going on about aliens - and I keep saying "Starlink"!!
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Reagan NY ZEN RN:

We have learned nothing from what we have done to the ocean. UGH
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Fredericks @6:23
The satellites are reflecting sunlight.
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chresti:

Meteorite hit someone before?
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Bas NL:

Here's some numbers on Starlink satellites: nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...
95% of 260kg burns up.. leaves 13kg/28lbs to land..
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Sam @6:19
That also sounds awful! The ones used in a town near me are pretty dim and emit a cold, kinda wavy and weird light.
I LOATHE the LED headlights. Totally blinding, even on lo-beams. Boo hiss.
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ultradamno:

The more I listen to this show the more I think the frat guys in 80s movies that yelled NERDS! were right.
  6:25pm
P.Welles:

Its close to geoengineering
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The Butterman:

Mark, these satellites can’t coal roll you so nothing to worry about, relax!
  6:25pm
Sam:

↳ ultradamno @6:24
Ha!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ The Butterman @6:25
Don't give Musk any ideas
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ultradamno:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:24
Awful. It took while for me to pick up on the fact all these trucks weren't driving with their high beams on.
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Reagan NY ZEN RN:

We are going to BREAK SPACE!!!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I'll bet actual money that Musk has people working on a "space vacuum" to clean up the mess things go Kessler. Then he'll have NASA give him billions to fund the scheme.
  6:27pm
Sam:

Now they'll be able to sell us special mind-reading hard hats to protect us from the burning satellite shrapnel.
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The Butterman:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:25
Sorry I’m so obsessed with you having had that terrible upsetting experience.
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Reagan NY ZEN RN:

↳ Sam @6:27
I thought that was what tin foil was for.
  6:27pm
P.Welles:

brain chips too
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Sorry I'm late... Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
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Reagan NY ZEN RN:

Great interview Mark. Superb
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coelacanth∅:

hey Will!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Reagan NY ZEN RN @6:29
Thanks!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:29
Hi coelacanth!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:28
Welcome, Will!
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Reagan NY ZEN RN:

There it is Butterman!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Vermont, which has horrible internet options, has started developing Community Broadband. The State Legislature passed a bill about it. Read more here: publicservice.vermont.gov...
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:30
Here's their mission: "The board will develop policies and programs to accelerate community efforts that advance the State’s goal of achieving universal access to reliable, high-quality, affordable, fixed broadband achieving speeds of at least 100 Mbps symmetrical."
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:31
And it will be PUBLICLY owned, so none of us has to deal with those Comcast fuckers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Mark Hurst:

"Runaway collisional cascade" - my favorite phrase of this interview, I think.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Debris? I think that's called... paging Devo... SPACE JUNK!
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Spikey BXL:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:32
Prog song title claxon
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:33
Someone get a memo to Mandl!
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Fredericks:

Kessler's Syndrome? I had thought about just space junk trapping us on the planet and preventing space exploration. Didn't think about putting stuff up there on purpose.
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:32
that was Doug Shulkind's first prog band in high school's name
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DjLorraine:

Space shrapnel for sure
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ultradamno:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:33
Space junk was a plot point in a Walking Dead arc...as were nuclear reactors, the catastrophes that will continue after climate change kills us.
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Mark Hurst:

"Attempt to clean up space junk foiled when cleanup target hit by even more space junk" (Aug 24, 2023): futurism.com...
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Fredericks:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:35
Precisely.
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Spikey BXL:

Debrishelle, the least know voice in The Supremes
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coelacanth∅:

then we can send musk up, with a broom.
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:35
Who could have predicted that sending up space junk to clean up space junk would be slammed into by space junk, creating more space junk?
  6:39pm
P-90:

Maybe we’re “terrorized and depressed quite enough” but don’t let that stop you
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Fredericks:

Dilution is the solution to pollution.
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tim:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:37
Sounds like there is only one appropriate outro song.
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tim:

Hey Mark and everyone!
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Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:40
What do you have in mind?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
DjLorraine:

↳ tim @6:40
Space trucking?
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Webhamster Henry:

Beware: Debris from high altitude Rapid Unintentional Disassembly.
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ultradamno:

www.universetoday.com...
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coelacanth∅:

↳ tim @6:40
DEVO!
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herb.nyc:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:37
A truck per hour? Maybe LES Ecology Center can do w’end ewaste pickups
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Handy Haversack:

I guess we could accidentally end up in an ad hoc Dyson sphere. We'd just be on the wrong side of the sunlight.
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tim:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:40
Devo - Space Junk!
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herb.nyc:

Outro song- Pavement “debris slide”. (Ba ba bada ba…)
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Ken From Hyde Park:

48.5 tons of meteors each day. science.nasa.gov...
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ultradamno:

I saw, I believe it was The Wahines, cover Space Truckin' once. I don't think they ever recorded it.
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herb.nyc:

Magnetic Fields? They play 6(?) shows in early April at NYC’s town hall
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dale:

we need andy griffith's salvage 1 more than ever.
  6:43pm
headcleaner:

Yikes. Sounds like, yet again, we find ourselves trapped in a post-DK Jello Biafra song - en.wikipedia.org...
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Spikey BXL:

Satellite of love, is out the question?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @6:42
There are a couple of near half hour Deep Purple versions on the video hosting site that shall not be named...if you really want to horn in on Dave's time (he loves Deep Purple, so he'd be cool with it)
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joe mulligan:

NDA? of course that's the space x way
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ultradamno:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:44
Sex Pistols' Satellite?
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The Butterman:

What a collection of assholes.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Yes, the starlink causes streaks... Total crap for astronomy
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Microplastic aerosols!
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DjLorraine:

↳ ultradamno @6:44
C'mon, c'mon
  6:48pm
Deanna:

Someone just lie to me and tell me everything is going to be okay!
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dale:

if verizon and spectrum and optimum don't want to run miles of cable to one customer, what are you supposed to do?
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Buddha of Suburbia:

Hey. Dale! This is your wheelhouse!!
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DjLorraine:

Thanks Sam. I can hear in your voice the intelligence and the frustration. Thanks again
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The Butterman:

Wonderful work Mark and Sam! Thank you!
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mackeral:

Thanks Sam and Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Good and necessary talk, Mark.

I'm sure our tireless and caring civil servants will get right on this when we bring it to their attention.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
coelacanth∅:

Thank you Sam!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
NotARealDoctor:

wow excited for our new magnetic atmosphere and unusable compasses!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
ultradamno:

Hitch a ride on a rogue planet outta here www.universal-sci.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
joe mulligan:

↳ Song: "Interview with Sam Lawler"
one of the more shocking and eye opening interviews you've done here Mark, thanks for this
  6:52pm
P-90:

Thanks, Sam!
And congratulations Mark, you didn’t slip and say “University of Vagina” even once
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:50
Make LEO Great Again!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
tim:

Thank you, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chresti:

Need a very big net to catch all the falling debris
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
PaulRobeson1924:

We can’t yet clean plastic bottle caps from washing up at the beach on Earth!

U think we can clean up space junk? Never
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joe_rosevear:

Great show. Some interesting points were raised. The chain reaction effect from debris makes sense--how could it not happen? Of course, the "solution" is to put armor plating on the satellites. Ha!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Sam!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
joe mulligan:

It's gonna get harder to make that mass exodus into Mrs
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
joe mulligan:

*Mars
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
tim:

Dudes! Check it out! Bring back Reagan’s STAR WARS! just think about it!
Avatar 6:56pm
Fredericks:

Launch space magnets chained to Earth. Reel them in when they're full.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:55
When Tide Pods® dissolve, they become microplastic.
  6:57pm
P-90:

If the Pentagon isn’t rushing a “Starlink killer” technology into development, they should be.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
mackeral:

gonna spread the Word
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:56
I saw a seagull carrying the bottom of some kind of shoe in it’s beak today
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 6:58pm
herb.nyc:

To Elon, plz create a black hole so that we can put it into space. It will grab all space junk and save the day. Thx. / another excellent and sobering show, thx!
Avatar 6:58pm
Troy:

↳ Song: "Space Junk" by "Devo"
I was waiting for this song.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
mistercaz:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
thanks. Need to re-listen of course, without Lester Holt in the background..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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tim:

Since all the other idea put forth are jackass ideas, maybe de-evolution might work.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Your shareholder value is skyrocketing into orbit!
Avatar 🤖 6:59pm
herb.nyc:

↳ mistercaz @6:58
I saw Lester holt in west village walking a dog. I said hi
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Handy Haversack:

XTC's "Don't Need Another Satellite" might have also worked!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark Hurst, Sam Lawler, and all the accu peeps!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:28pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

"Move fast and break things." Where have I heard that before?
Avatar 6:39pm
VantuckyEd:

"Move fast and Break the world" is more like it.
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VantuckyEd:

Ah yes, part of my webmaster gig is catching phishers who pose as my client, an employment agency.
Avatar 6:49pm
VantuckyEd:

Thanks for the book info. I'll have to pick it up.
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