WFMU: Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from May 18, 2023

Listener comments!
	♥ 9:58am Jan Turkenburg: Hi everyone!
	♥ 10:00am fred: Hi Jan, it's a holiday here, so no pesky work getting in the way (except in my mind)
	♥ 10:01am Jan Turkenburg: Hi fred! Good!
	♥ 10:01am Jan Turkenburg: (and my own mind works likewise ;-))
	♥ 10:06am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:01 I certainly hope it doesn't work too closely like mine in this case (hopefully the word tensorflow means nothing to you)
	♥ 10:06am StringOFperils: My own mind crab-walked and curled up inside your show; but...peeking out to say good morning, Jan and company, from in here.
	♥ 10:06am Jan Turkenburg: Hi StringOFperils!
	♥ 10:07am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ fred @10:06 you're an AI?
	♥ 10:09am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:07 After experimenting with ChatGPT for a week, nothing surprises me anymore ...
	♥ 10:09am StringOFperils: The surprises have not yet been sprung, I fear.
	♥ 10:10am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:07 Would you believe me if I denied it?
	♥ 10:10am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @10:09 I fear the same SOP, I was shocked how good it was at solving problems wrapped in multiple languages.
	♥ 10:11am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ fred @10:10 :-)
	♥ 10:13am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:10 but also by the kind of mistakes it made with confidence
	♥ 10:13am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:10 "AI" is apparently good at pitch tracking, but I haven't looked into the details enough. Thanks in part to WFMU, I'm pretty good at finding music that blows algorithms to bits (in this way AI is close to human minds I guess)
	♥ 10:14am Jan Turkenburg: I hope regulation and legislation comes in time...
	🎸 ♥ 10:14am David (in London): Afternoon Jan and assembled 78rpm groovers: Fred, String.
	♥ 10:15am Jan Turkenburg: Hi David in London!
	♥ 10:15am fred: ↳ fred @10:13 And I'm still to use yodeling, so bots beware
	♥ 10:19am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:13 I guess that means upper managers should be very afraid then
	♥ 10:19am StringOFperils: AI is s not quite a toddler yet, but unleashed pattern recognition and instantaneous reassembly of coherent response of that magnitude, can bring itself to maturation and way beyond, to something like insane godhood, faster, weirder and deadlier than anything mere flesh is capable of resisting, or even comprehending. It's practically operating global financial markets all on its own already. It will 'recognize' that it can run everything....still, maybe it's high time that humanity had a 'time-out' to sit in the corner, contemplating the folly of its own hubris.
	♥ 10:20am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You" by "D... This is so deliciously tender
	♥ 10:20am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ fred @10:13 and the following track clearly isn't ....
	🎸 ♥ 10:24am WR: ↳ Song: "A biribi" by "Aristide Bruant" Sounds like the hunt is on and now so am I. Hello Jan and folks.
	♥ 10:24am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @10:19 Yes, the coherent response to my in Dutch language wrapped math problem shocked me. And when it made mistakes I could correct it indirectly, just by saying 'you're mixing up two things here' after which it aplologized and got it right...
	♥ 10:25am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @10:24 Hi WR!
	🎸 ♥ 10:26am David (in London): Hey WR.
	🎸 ♥ 10:26am WR: By testing and correcting the "AI" you are being a collaborator in its ascendance.
	♥ 10:29am fred: ↳ StringOFperils @10:19 Contemplating one's hubris is often a good idea, but I think you overestimate AI widely. It does some things well, but most very badly, and nobody knows why. It's an issue, even adversary training is a stopgap. Of course the tech companies won't show you most of the total failures
	♥ 10:29am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @10:26 Yes, I've heard that a lot this week, but I had to know what I'm up against. And the next time it seemed to have forgotten it.
	♥ 10:29am StringOFperils: It's analogous to a situation in which one human being learns a thing, and simultaneously every human being learns that thing, multiplied by every individual conduit for new things, and again multiplied by trillions of times per second, coupled with just as many multiples of simultaneous responses, and then plotted on a curve of exponential growth.
	♥ 10:32am StringOFperils: Everyone's talking about AI as it is. And they're also yoking it to conversations about 'humanoid robots' that are coming. There's a general lack of comprehension about so much in general these days. It's a bit discouraging .
	♥ 10:33am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:29 That's another big AI flow (also applies to StringOfPerils's comment). Current networks have very little to no incremental ability, meaning they can't learn on the fly. That's why you get ChatGPT-4 instead of an evolving system
	♥ 10:33am fred: ↳ fred @10:33 flaw, not flow (tensorflow messing with me)
	♥ 10:34am StringOFperils: All toddlers fall forward face down, and it's amusing. Until they don't answer when you call them for dinner.
	♥ 10:35am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:29 But only this is a toddler without conscience, without a body, it's just a thinking machine.
	♥ 10:35am StringOFperils: www.bbc.com...
	♥ 10:36am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @10:35 Yes, I've read it
	♥ 10:36am StringOFperils: AI has been stock-trading for everybody for years.
	♥ 10:36am StringOFperils: Anyway, it's easy to be all doomy and gloomy, of course. We shall see.
	♥ 10:37am Jan Turkenburg: I know EU has been taking steps in legislation last week...
	♥ 10:37am HyperDose: If AI is an automated process, would you say crypto helped it gain in popularity?
	♥ 10:38am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ HyperDose @10:37 Hi HyperDose. I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge to have a clue...
	♥ 10:40am HyperDose: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:38 Well you're piloting the spaceship which requires 100% of your attention at all times!
	♥ 10:40am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ HyperDose @10:40 😊
	♥ 10:41am fred: ↳ HyperDose @10:37 Both are only related in the insane amount of energy they require to function. I know AI researchers who study that (energy consumption of AI). Today AI is brute force, what they're aiming at (more efficiency) is more worrying to me than the current reports
	♥ 10:44am StringOFperils: ↳ HyperDose @10:37 Money does drive the license that we give it. And I expect that will continue. I expect that the only way to interrupt its potential ubiquity, operating everything from particle accelerators to satelilte communications, to arms-systems, to ATMs, will be some kind of electricity gates that it can't 'know' about; but that won't preclude it getting past our own obstacles to fusion energy and implementing whatever it requires for itself. At some point, hypothetically.
	♥ 10:44am HyperDose: ↳ fred @10:41 That's what I was getting at. You're using AI to run makeshift warehouses of servers which are 1. using outdated and less energy efficient hardware 2. higher energy consumption increases risk of fire putting people/property/wildlife in danger. It's bad news bears all around! 😭
	♥ 10:45am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ HyperDose @10:44 I wasn't even aware of that aspect...
	♥ 10:49am Jan Turkenburg: I do know that energy by solar energy parks in The Netherlands, meant for surrounding villages is now being consumed instead by Data storage centers...
	♥ 10:50am fred: ↳ HyperDose @10:44 3. Putting such a server farm online can break the grid anywhere else
	♥ 10:50am StringOFperils: AI, however, might at some point realize the fond sentiment of tasting the inherent delicious poetry of 78 rpm records, and the mystery of sitting under the final tree, to shed a synthetic tear
	♥ 10:53am coelacanth∅: Greetings Jan and all
	🎸 ♥ 10:54am WR: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance" by "Frances La... Frances Langford, wasn't she on many of the Spike Jones radio broadcasts?
	♥ 10:54am HyperDose: ↳ fred @10:50 I only acknowledge "breaking the internet" when Weird Al Yankovic is in the news. Kim Ka-who?
	♥ 10:56am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @10:54 Yes, she was during the war years.
	🎸 ♥ 11:01am WR the internet fool: ↳ Song: "Everybody's Somebody's Fool" by "Heartbeats" Very timely sentiment.
	♥ 11:03am fred: ↳ HyperDose @10:54 Gotcha, I'll shut up
	♥ 11:05am StringOFperils: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You" by "S... I'd like to dedicate this song to AI.
	♥ 11:06am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @11:05 😂
	🎸 ♥ 11:13am David (in London): I'm going to try and work the phrase 'Everything is hotsy totsy now' into my conversation before the end of the day.
	♥ 11:14am StringOFperils: That sounds swell.
	♥ 11:14am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ David (in London) @11:13 🥇
	♥ 11:15am HyperDose: ↳ fred @11:03 Simply in jest, my good man. I agree on all counts. Save the planet and such 🌏
	🎸 ♥ 11:18am WR the internet fool: ↳ Song: "Ai Shite Choudai" by "Sato Chiyako" song title roughly translates as "love me please". A startling direct thing to declare publicly.
	♥ 11:20am HyperDose: Another immaculate translation, Jan!
	🎸 ♥ 11:21am David (in London): Excellent genuine hula from Baden-Württemberg.
	🎸 ♥ 11:21am David (in London): It is lovely, though.
	🎸 ♥ 11:22am David (in London): I'm sure Half Man Half Biscuit could sing a song called 'Ai Shite Choudai'.
	♥ 11:24am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ David (in London) @11:22 👀
	🎸 ♥ 11:24am WR the internet fool: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You" by "B... Billie's version was playing in my head in contrast to what I was hearing Frances Langford sing. My POV.
	♥ 11:25am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR the internet fool @11:24 😊
	♥ 11:31am StringOFperils: I don't think I've ever seen a chocolate soldier. A chocolate bomb cake is probably the closest thing I can think of.
	♥ 11:31am Jan Turkenburg: 😁
	♥ 11:33am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Song: "Recordando" by "Pixinguinha" lovely flute playing here
	♥ 11:34am StringOFperils: Choose Fife
	♥ 11:35am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @11:34 ehm, I'm not sure what you mean?
	♥ 11:36am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "Recordando" by "Pixinguinha" Cannot for the life of me wrap my head around the pronunciation of this man's name. Good luck!
	♥ 11:36am StringOFperils: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @11:35 Ha ha ha. You belong to a large club now.
	♥ 11:37am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @11:36 😂
	♥ 11:37am StringOFperils: ...some kind of brain short-circuit between wooden transverse flutes and WHAM
	♥ 11:39am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, I thought of the fife flute, but I don't believe this was one, at least not a traditional one...
	♥ 11:40am Jan Turkenburg: because of the chromatics I heard
	♥ 11:41am StringOFperils: I am sure you are right. I'm just playing the foole. You probably hear a lot more of the audio spectrum on your end than I do on this laptop speaker
	♥ 11:44am Jan Turkenburg: Well, a google search learned me that there are 'modern' fifes as well, that have more chromatic capabilities so my knowledge has it's limits too. Maybe I should have asked ChatGPT first...
	♥ 11:47am StringOFperils: :)
	🎸 ♥ 11:50am WR: ↳ Song: "How Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down On The Farm" by "Jim E... Learned this song from the Little Rascals. Probably my original introduction to sounds over 64 although at the time they were only over 30 or so years old.
	♥ 11:50am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "How Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down On The Farm" by "Jim E... Very upbeat. Good for morale!
	🎸 ♥ 11:53am David (in London): Fingers of fire from ole Johnny Meyer here.
	♥ 11:54am StringOFperils: Flaco should have covered that
	♥ 11:54am HyperDose: ↳ David (in London) @11:53 And his wife enthusiastically agrees
	🎸 ♥ 11:54am David (in London): ↳ HyperDose @11:54 Saucy!
	11:54am Dean: Penny whistle, perhaps?
	🎸 ♥ 11:56am WR: Speaking if morale, today where I work announced: [We] will be a much simpler business than the one we have today. We’ll be past peak infrastructure build, we won’t be running both old and new networks and products, and we’ll be serving customers in a more automated way. As part of this we’ll be reducing from around 130,000 employees and subcontractors to less than 90,000 over the next five to seven years." Time to tweak the resume.
	♥ 11:57am HyperDose: ↳ WR @11:56 Yeesh. Sorry, WR
	🎸 ♥ 11:57am WR: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance with You" by "D... Lovely GIF for this one.
	♥ 11:57am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @11:56 😱😨
	♥ 11:57am StringOFperils: Sorry to hear that, WR.
	🎸 ♥ 11:58am David (in London): ↳ WR @11:56 Oh bollocks, that old chestnut. Sorry to hear that WR.
	🎸 ♥ 11:58am David (in London): Thanks for a fun show today, Jan.
	♥ 11:59am HyperDose: Thank you, Jan. Educational as always. Excellent covers!
	🎸 ♥ 11:59am WR: Lovely program today Jan.
	🎸 ♥ 11:59am WR: As for my job, a better alternative would be retirement but still trying to figure that one out.
	♥ 12:02pm StringOFperils: I'm riding out my superannuation on an acoustic guitar. The water's choppy but it's still floating, so far. I'm enjoying the fresh air, despite all the storms brewing up out there.
	♥ 12:03pm StringOFperils: Thanks, Jan.___signed, last of the hippies

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May 18, 2023: 301 I don't stand a ghost of a chance with you

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Artist	Track	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
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Bing Crosby	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance	1932		0:00:56 (Pop-up)
Nelly Wijsbek	Naar Parijs (Paris Canaille)	1955		0:04:01 (Pop-up)
Fireman Barney Conlon	Over the Lakes	1921		0:06:34 (Pop-up)
Hal McIntyre And His Orchestra	Ode To A Toad	1944-45		0:09:35 (Pop-up)
Miss Lee and Odeon Rumba Orkest	Krontjong Carioca	1935s		0:12:48 (Pop-up)
Dinning Sisters	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You	1951		0:17:29 (Pop-up)
Guckenheimer Sour Kraut Band	Hi-Le Hi-Lo	1956		0:20:34 (Pop-up)
Aristide Bruant	A biribi "A biribi" by "Aristide Bruant"	1900		0:22:09 (Pop-up)
Carl Webster's Yale Collegians	Dream Child	1929		0:25:05 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	Huwelijksadvertentie	1922		0:27:47 (Pop-up)
Red Novo & His Orchestra	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You	1957		0:32:57 (Pop-up)
Brox Sisters	Everybody's stepping around	1938	(radio broadcast)	0:35:33 (Pop-up)
Edith Piaf	Le Disque Usé "Le Disque Usé" by "Edith Piaf"	1943		0:37:17 (Pop-up)
The Cats And The Fiddle	Gangbusters	1939		0:41:10 (Pop-up)
Maurice Dumas	Mijn eerste jongen "Mijn eerste jongen" by "Maurice Dumas"	1905		0:44:11 (Pop-up)
Frances Langford	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance	1945		0:49:23 (Pop-up)
Les Paul & Mary Ford	Dry My Tears	1955		0:52:23 (Pop-up)
Karl Gerhard & Sune Waldimirs ork.	Borta med vinden	1937		0:54:40 (Pop-up)
Heartbeats	Everybody's Somebody's Fool	1957		0:57:30 (Pop-up)
Ferdinand Gabin Père	La levrette de la Marquise	1898		1:00:23 (Pop-up)
Slim Gaillard	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You	1958		1:04:53 (Pop-up)
Josef Marais	Sugarbush "Sugarbush" by "Josef Marais"	1946		1:08:16 (Pop-up)
California Ramblers	Everything Is Hotsy Totsy Now	1925		1:10:07 (Pop-up)
Sato Chiyako	Ai Shite Choudai "Ai Shite Choudai" by "Sato Chiyako"	1929		1:13:14 (Pop-up)
Hula Hawaiian Quartett	Domingo Santo Domingo	1956		1:16:35 (Pop-up)
Billie Holiday	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You	1945		1:21:42 (Pop-up)
Indestructible Military Band	Selection From 'The Chocolate Soldier'	1910		1:26:01 (Pop-up)
Olympia Zusjes	Zeeman Je Droomt Van Hawaii	1953		1:30:25 (Pop-up)
Pixinguinha	Recordando "Recordando" by "Pixinguinha"	1934		1:33:14 (Pop-up)
Jacques Brel	L' Air De La Bétise	1957		1:36:04 (Pop-up)
The Dominoes	I don't stand a ghost of a chance	1957		1:42:17 (Pop-up)
Lorang Johansen (Norway 1922-2016)	Hver gang du ser et stjerneskudd	1943s		1:46:05 (Pop-up)
Jim Europe's 369th Infantry Band	How Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down On The Farm	1919		1:47:25 (Pop-up)
Johnny Meyer	Flick Flack "Flick Flack" by "Johnny Meyer"	1959		1:50:18 (Pop-up)
Danny and Dena Guglielmi	I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance with You	1957		1:56:22 (Pop-up)
Byron G Harlan	I Like The Hat I Like The Dress And I Like The Girl	1911		1:58:55 (Pop-up)
Neil Scott	I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You	1967		2:02:57 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 9:58am Jan Turkenburg: Hi everyone!
	♥ 10:00am fred: Hi Jan, it's a holiday here, so no pesky work getting in the way (except in my mind)
	♥ 10:01am Jan Turkenburg: Hi fred! Good!
	♥ 10:01am Jan Turkenburg: (and my own mind works likewise ;-))
	♥ 10:06am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:01 I certainly hope it doesn't work too closely like mine in this case (hopefully the word tensorflow means nothing to you)
	♥ 10:06am StringOFperils: My own mind crab-walked and curled up inside your show; but...peeking out to say good morning, Jan and company, from in here.
	♥ 10:06am Jan Turkenburg: Hi StringOFperils!
	♥ 10:07am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ fred @10:06 you're an AI?
	♥ 10:09am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:07 After experimenting with ChatGPT for a week, nothing surprises me anymore ...
	♥ 10:09am StringOFperils: The surprises have not yet been sprung, I fear.
	♥ 10:10am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:07 Would you believe me if I denied it?
	♥ 10:10am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @10:09 I fear the same SOP, I was shocked how good it was at solving problems wrapped in multiple languages.
	♥ 10:11am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ fred @10:10 :-)
	♥ 10:13am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:10 but also by the kind of mistakes it made with confidence
	♥ 10:13am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:10 "AI" is apparently good at pitch tracking, but I haven't looked into the details enough. Thanks in part to WFMU, I'm pretty good at finding music that blows algorithms to bits (in this way AI is close to human minds I guess)
	♥ 10:14am Jan Turkenburg: I hope regulation and legislation comes in time...
	🎸 ♥ 10:14am David (in London): Afternoon Jan and assembled 78rpm groovers: Fred, String.
	♥ 10:15am Jan Turkenburg: Hi David in London!
	♥ 10:15am fred: ↳ fred @10:13 And I'm still to use yodeling, so bots beware
	♥ 10:19am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:13 I guess that means upper managers should be very afraid then
	♥ 10:19am StringOFperils: AI is s not quite a toddler yet, but unleashed pattern recognition and instantaneous reassembly of coherent response of that magnitude, can bring itself to maturation and way beyond, to something like insane godhood, faster, weirder and deadlier than anything mere flesh is capable of resisting, or even comprehending. It's practically operating global financial markets all on its own already. It will 'recognize' that it can run everything....still, maybe it's high time that humanity had a 'time-out' to sit in the corner, contemplating the folly of its own hubris.
	♥ 10:20am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You" by "D... This is so deliciously tender
	♥ 10:20am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ fred @10:13 and the following track clearly isn't ....
	🎸 ♥ 10:24am WR: ↳ Song: "A biribi" by "Aristide Bruant" Sounds like the hunt is on and now so am I. Hello Jan and folks.
	♥ 10:24am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @10:19 Yes, the coherent response to my in Dutch language wrapped math problem shocked me. And when it made mistakes I could correct it indirectly, just by saying 'you're mixing up two things here' after which it aplologized and got it right...
	♥ 10:25am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @10:24 Hi WR!
	🎸 ♥ 10:26am David (in London): Hey WR.
	🎸 ♥ 10:26am WR: By testing and correcting the "AI" you are being a collaborator in its ascendance.
	♥ 10:29am fred: ↳ StringOFperils @10:19 Contemplating one's hubris is often a good idea, but I think you overestimate AI widely. It does some things well, but most very badly, and nobody knows why. It's an issue, even adversary training is a stopgap. Of course the tech companies won't show you most of the total failures
	♥ 10:29am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @10:26 Yes, I've heard that a lot this week, but I had to know what I'm up against. And the next time it seemed to have forgotten it.
	♥ 10:29am StringOFperils: It's analogous to a situation in which one human being learns a thing, and simultaneously every human being learns that thing, multiplied by every individual conduit for new things, and again multiplied by trillions of times per second, coupled with just as many multiples of simultaneous responses, and then plotted on a curve of exponential growth.
	♥ 10:32am StringOFperils: Everyone's talking about AI as it is. And they're also yoking it to conversations about 'humanoid robots' that are coming. There's a general lack of comprehension about so much in general these days. It's a bit discouraging .
	♥ 10:33am fred: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:29 That's another big AI flow (also applies to StringOfPerils's comment). Current networks have very little to no incremental ability, meaning they can't learn on the fly. That's why you get ChatGPT-4 instead of an evolving system
	♥ 10:33am fred: ↳ fred @10:33 flaw, not flow (tensorflow messing with me)
	♥ 10:34am StringOFperils: All toddlers fall forward face down, and it's amusing. Until they don't answer when you call them for dinner.
	♥ 10:35am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:29 But only this is a toddler without conscience, without a body, it's just a thinking machine.
	♥ 10:35am StringOFperils: www.bbc.com...
	♥ 10:36am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @10:35 Yes, I've read it
	♥ 10:36am StringOFperils: AI has been stock-trading for everybody for years.
	♥ 10:36am StringOFperils: Anyway, it's easy to be all doomy and gloomy, of course. We shall see.
	♥ 10:37am Jan Turkenburg: I know EU has been taking steps in legislation last week...
	♥ 10:37am HyperDose: If AI is an automated process, would you say crypto helped it gain in popularity?
	♥ 10:38am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ HyperDose @10:37 Hi HyperDose. I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge to have a clue...
	♥ 10:40am HyperDose: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @10:38 Well you're piloting the spaceship which requires 100% of your attention at all times!
	♥ 10:40am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ HyperDose @10:40 😊
	♥ 10:41am fred: ↳ HyperDose @10:37 Both are only related in the insane amount of energy they require to function. I know AI researchers who study that (energy consumption of AI). Today AI is brute force, what they're aiming at (more efficiency) is more worrying to me than the current reports
	♥ 10:44am StringOFperils: ↳ HyperDose @10:37 Money does drive the license that we give it. And I expect that will continue. I expect that the only way to interrupt its potential ubiquity, operating everything from particle accelerators to satelilte communications, to arms-systems, to ATMs, will be some kind of electricity gates that it can't 'know' about; but that won't preclude it getting past our own obstacles to fusion energy and implementing whatever it requires for itself. At some point, hypothetically.
	♥ 10:44am HyperDose: ↳ fred @10:41 That's what I was getting at. You're using AI to run makeshift warehouses of servers which are 1. using outdated and less energy efficient hardware 2. higher energy consumption increases risk of fire putting people/property/wildlife in danger. It's bad news bears all around! 😭
	♥ 10:45am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ HyperDose @10:44 I wasn't even aware of that aspect...
	♥ 10:49am Jan Turkenburg: I do know that energy by solar energy parks in The Netherlands, meant for surrounding villages is now being consumed instead by Data storage centers...
	♥ 10:50am fred: ↳ HyperDose @10:44 3. Putting such a server farm online can break the grid anywhere else
	♥ 10:50am StringOFperils: AI, however, might at some point realize the fond sentiment of tasting the inherent delicious poetry of 78 rpm records, and the mystery of sitting under the final tree, to shed a synthetic tear
	♥ 10:53am coelacanth∅: Greetings Jan and all
	🎸 ♥ 10:54am WR: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance" by "Frances La... Frances Langford, wasn't she on many of the Spike Jones radio broadcasts?
	♥ 10:54am HyperDose: ↳ fred @10:50 I only acknowledge "breaking the internet" when Weird Al Yankovic is in the news. Kim Ka-who?
	♥ 10:56am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @10:54 Yes, she was during the war years.
	🎸 ♥ 11:01am WR the internet fool: ↳ Song: "Everybody's Somebody's Fool" by "Heartbeats" Very timely sentiment.
	♥ 11:03am fred: ↳ HyperDose @10:54 Gotcha, I'll shut up
	♥ 11:05am StringOFperils: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You" by "S... I'd like to dedicate this song to AI.
	♥ 11:06am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @11:05 😂
	🎸 ♥ 11:13am David (in London): I'm going to try and work the phrase 'Everything is hotsy totsy now' into my conversation before the end of the day.
	♥ 11:14am StringOFperils: That sounds swell.
	♥ 11:14am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ David (in London) @11:13 🥇
	♥ 11:15am HyperDose: ↳ fred @11:03 Simply in jest, my good man. I agree on all counts. Save the planet and such 🌏
	🎸 ♥ 11:18am WR the internet fool: ↳ Song: "Ai Shite Choudai" by "Sato Chiyako" song title roughly translates as "love me please". A startling direct thing to declare publicly.
	♥ 11:20am HyperDose: Another immaculate translation, Jan!
	🎸 ♥ 11:21am David (in London): Excellent genuine hula from Baden-Württemberg.
	🎸 ♥ 11:21am David (in London): It is lovely, though.
	🎸 ♥ 11:22am David (in London): I'm sure Half Man Half Biscuit could sing a song called 'Ai Shite Choudai'.
	♥ 11:24am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ David (in London) @11:22 👀
	🎸 ♥ 11:24am WR the internet fool: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance With You" by "B... Billie's version was playing in my head in contrast to what I was hearing Frances Langford sing. My POV.
	♥ 11:25am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR the internet fool @11:24 😊
	♥ 11:31am StringOFperils: I don't think I've ever seen a chocolate soldier. A chocolate bomb cake is probably the closest thing I can think of.
	♥ 11:31am Jan Turkenburg: 😁
	♥ 11:33am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ Song: "Recordando" by "Pixinguinha" lovely flute playing here
	♥ 11:34am StringOFperils: Choose Fife
	♥ 11:35am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @11:34 ehm, I'm not sure what you mean?
	♥ 11:36am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "Recordando" by "Pixinguinha" Cannot for the life of me wrap my head around the pronunciation of this man's name. Good luck!
	♥ 11:36am StringOFperils: ↳ Jan Turkenburg @11:35 Ha ha ha. You belong to a large club now.
	♥ 11:37am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ StringOFperils @11:36 😂
	♥ 11:37am StringOFperils: ...some kind of brain short-circuit between wooden transverse flutes and WHAM
	♥ 11:39am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, I thought of the fife flute, but I don't believe this was one, at least not a traditional one...
	♥ 11:40am Jan Turkenburg: because of the chromatics I heard
	♥ 11:41am StringOFperils: I am sure you are right. I'm just playing the foole. You probably hear a lot more of the audio spectrum on your end than I do on this laptop speaker
	♥ 11:44am Jan Turkenburg: Well, a google search learned me that there are 'modern' fifes as well, that have more chromatic capabilities so my knowledge has it's limits too. Maybe I should have asked ChatGPT first...
	♥ 11:47am StringOFperils: :)
	🎸 ♥ 11:50am WR: ↳ Song: "How Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down On The Farm" by "Jim E... Learned this song from the Little Rascals. Probably my original introduction to sounds over 64 although at the time they were only over 30 or so years old.
	♥ 11:50am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "How Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down On The Farm" by "Jim E... Very upbeat. Good for morale!
	🎸 ♥ 11:53am David (in London): Fingers of fire from ole Johnny Meyer here.
	♥ 11:54am StringOFperils: Flaco should have covered that
	♥ 11:54am HyperDose: ↳ David (in London) @11:53 And his wife enthusiastically agrees
	🎸 ♥ 11:54am David (in London): ↳ HyperDose @11:54 Saucy!
	11:54am Dean: Penny whistle, perhaps?
	🎸 ♥ 11:56am WR: Speaking if morale, today where I work announced: [We] will be a much simpler business than the one we have today. We’ll be past peak infrastructure build, we won’t be running both old and new networks and products, and we’ll be serving customers in a more automated way. As part of this we’ll be reducing from around 130,000 employees and subcontractors to less than 90,000 over the next five to seven years." Time to tweak the resume.
	♥ 11:57am HyperDose: ↳ WR @11:56 Yeesh. Sorry, WR
	🎸 ♥ 11:57am WR: ↳ Song: "I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance with You" by "D... Lovely GIF for this one.
	♥ 11:57am Jan Turkenburg: ↳ WR @11:56 😱😨
	♥ 11:57am StringOFperils: Sorry to hear that, WR.
	🎸 ♥ 11:58am David (in London): ↳ WR @11:56 Oh bollocks, that old chestnut. Sorry to hear that WR.
	🎸 ♥ 11:58am David (in London): Thanks for a fun show today, Jan.
	♥ 11:59am HyperDose: Thank you, Jan. Educational as always. Excellent covers!
	🎸 ♥ 11:59am WR: Lovely program today Jan.
	🎸 ♥ 11:59am WR: As for my job, a better alternative would be retirement but still trying to figure that one out.
	♥ 12:02pm StringOFperils: I'm riding out my superannuation on an acoustic guitar. The water's choppy but it's still floating, so far. I'm enjoying the fresh air, despite all the storms brewing up out there.
	♥ 12:03pm StringOFperils: Thanks, Jan.___signed, last of the hippies

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from May 18, 2023

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