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Favoriting March 20, 2023: Cory Doctorow, author, "Chokepoint Capitalism"

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Rebecca Giblin and Cory Doctorow with their book "Chokepoint Capitalism"
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Rebecca Giblin and Cory Doctorow with their book "Chokepoint Capitalism"

Today: Cory Doctorow, author, “Chokepoint Capitalism”

Chokepoint Capitalism: How Big Tech And Big Content Captured Creative Labor Markets And How We’ll Win Them Back, by Rebecca Giblin and Cory Doctorow – also available as an ebook directly from Cory’s site craphound.com

chokepointcapitalism.com, book site

Pluralistic.net, Cory’s blog

Tiktok’s enshittification (by Cory Doctorow, Pluralistic.net, Jan 21, 2023): “Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.” (What I call on the show, for FCC purposes, “enfecalization.” -mark)

Interview of Cory in the New Yorker (Dec 4, 2022)

Interview of Cory in Jacobin (Nov 8, 2022)

The AI hype bubble is the new crypto hype bubble (by Cory Doctorow, Pluralistic.net, March 9, 2023): “Google and Bing are locked in an arms-race to see whose search engine can attain the speediest, most profound enshittification via chatbot, replacing links to web-pages with florid paragraphs composed by fully automated, supremely confident liars.” . . . “‘AI’ is practically purpose-built for inflating another hype-bubble, excelling as it does at producing party-tricks – plausible essays, weird images, voice impersonations.”

Dow promised to turn sneakers into playground surfaces, then dumped them in Indonesia (by Cory on Pluralistic.net, Feb 26, 2023): “Dow Chemicals plastered Singapore with ads for its sneaker recycling program, promising to turn old shoes into playground tracks. But the shoes it collected in its “recycling” bins were illegally dumped in Indonesia.”

Web apps could de-monopolize mobile devices (by Cory, Dec 13, 2022): “Mobile tech is a duopoly run by two companies – Google and Apple – with a combined market cap of $3.5 trillion. Each company uses a combination of tech, law, contract and market power to force sellers to do commerce via an app, and each one extracts a massive commission on all in-app sales – 15-30%!”

Solving the Moderator’s Trilemma with Federation (March 4, 2023): “Facebook, Twitter and other walled gardens are designed to be sticky-traps, relying on high switching costs to keep users locked within their garden walls which are really prison walls. Internal memos from the companies reveal that this strategy is deliberate, designed to keep users from defecting even as the service degrades. By contrast, the Fediverse is designed for ease of exit.”

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtontranglers!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Webhamster Henry:

Post Marathon Techtonic! We appreciate how its technology helps WFMU connect to its audiences, distribute its streams, and provides a safe, non surveilled social experience.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Ciggy:

Missed you last night at the Symphonica
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon particles! We are the new robot overlords!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi Capitechtonicans!
  6:02pm
Daybreak is Curious...:

Hello
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:

And Cory is back... showing how crowdsourced publishing, in certain high profile situation, can be a success!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:01
As Dave the Spazz said last night, they "don't WANT to know anything about" us!
  6:02pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar 6:02pm
HyperDose:

It was only a matter of time before the cybermen infiltrated FMU HQ
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ David in London @6:02
Evening, David!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Roger:

I am SO looking forward to this show today, Cory always has something interesting to say.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Roger @6:03
Roger the Rockstar!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Webhamster Henry:

No Amazon robots or wage-slave workers package your WFMU swag.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Roger:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:04
I'm trying to forget
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Roger @6:05
You were great!
  6:05pm
Andrea C from the app:

No way! Hello Mark! Hello Cory!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
melinda:

hi folks
Avatar 6:06pm
herb.nyc:

You're welcome, mark, but THANK *YOU* and all the wfmu'ers and volunteers and unseen support. Mark was the best of the singers in the hoof synf last night. I could watch him all night.
  6:07pm
Daybreak is Curious...:

Hey we are in the chat!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Ciggy:

A crane collapsed at a Amazon warehouse under construction in Hawthorne, NY.
A man had a partial leg amputation from the accident
  6:08pm
Andrea C from the app:

Ohps. I thought the interview was live. This is great nonetheless.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜:

Corey, I LOVE YOUR WORK. Always have. And "Walkaway" was one of the best things I've read in a long time.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and capital equipment. Now that my bank account is somewhat diminished after the marathon, I am in need of some get rich quick schemes. Got any suggestions? 💲
Avatar 6:09pm
herb.nyc:

aside, at film forum nyc, this week:

: Nam June Paik’s most celebrated sculptural piece, The More, the Better as described by Andrew Russeth (Artforum’s Best of 2022). The Korean-born, German-educated, life-long New Yorker, Nam June Paik (1932-2006) coined the phrase “the electronic superhighway” long before the Internet was born. A consummate shape-shifter — classical composer, …zzz
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:09
Plastics!

Or, if you want to show off your contemporary, hip nature: platform capture!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining!
  6:11pm
Listener Robert:

Actually we hit the station fundraising goal a few hours earlier in the marathon last year, but the overall time was a few hours less this year because it started 6 AM Monday. In 2022 it started 5 PM Sunday so the regular Sun. shows would each get 2 installments during the 'thon.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
The Butterman:

Yo! Congrats Mark! You done done it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ The Butterman @6:14
Thanks - well the station did it - and all of the volunteers & pledgers & everyone together. Happy to see a successful marathon.
  6:18pm
Carmichael:

Heya Mark and others. Here for the technanigans.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:18
Throwing money at FMU is one of the most anticapitalist things you can DO with money!
  6:21pm
Listener Robert:

So what's the alternative to the dynamic (not just the specific cases) Doctorow's describing now? Won't anyone who develops a marginally superior platform wind up in a similarly advantaged position?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Watched the Aqua Teen Hunger Force /Plantasm/ movie last night. They showed a company called Amazin' that appeared to be a parody of Amazon.
Avatar 6:23pm
northguineahills:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:10
re: ovaltini ('drink more ovaltine")

(ovals are still round)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
chresti:

Winey man-babies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
chresti:

encrappify
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry:

There are a few competitors to AWS, but boy, it's such an elephant!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
ultradamno:

I notice the new (and final) MX-80 Sound single includes (with the deluxe package offer) a totally fungible token... www.ebay.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Handy Haversack:

"Dead-eyed Mitt Romney-ites who just want to extract and extract and extract": the problem neatly diagnosed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Tommy in Neversink:

This is sooo interesting
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ northguineahills @6:23
"Banya!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
chresti:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:26
Parasites
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ chresti @6:27
A.k.a. "capitalists."
  6:28pm
Listener Robert:

And don't we see similar dynamics in other businesses where there are costs to change? Landlords have extra leverage over rental space because of the expense and hassle of moving. Suppliers have leverage because users alter their operation to fit the specs of the items.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Webhamster Henry:

Capitalism is colonialization and exploitative extraction, and externalizing risk to their employees and the community it's a parasite on.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
ultradamno:

How long before the AI DJs start pairing with all the surveillance devices to start commenting on every move you make while listening?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
chresti:

Need rent control
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ ultradamno @6:29
I give it 3 weeks... 😃
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
chresti:

AI is so annoying with it's "suggestions"
  6:31pm
gorp:

enjoying the interview but seconding everyone who just said ‘this is not new; this is just how capitalism operates’
Avatar 6:33pm
northguineahills:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:19
then there's the KLF, but giving to wfmu is more conducive to being communally culturally constructive.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
chresti:

Payola
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Mark Hurst:

↳ chresti @6:34
exactly
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
The Butterman:

Bring
Mac
Back!
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grtyvr:

"in YOUR audience"... lol
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

I like our audience
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
mndave:

There's also endless scambots with shops on social platforms that will automatically generate t-shirts or gear from something that's worn in a viral image or video, or in direct response to something a creator posts. No moderation whatsoever.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks to WFMU, here are years of archives of The Antique Phonograph Music Program with Mac: www.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
chresti:

And funnels, with the flywheels
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
dale:

uncle josh records are rich in hilarity even if you can't make money off them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
coelacanth∅:

copyright protection should terminate when the creator of the particular art dies -at which point it should be royalty free.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Be like the avid WFMU listener, do the right thing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
coelacanth∅:

(or transferred to dependents until they're 18 years of age, where applicable)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:39
interesting idea, but I can see the murder for hire business salivating over this for some reason.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
chresti:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:40
like a trust
  6:42pm
Listener Robert:

No, copyright should be for a fixed term regardless of the life of the creator.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Įkê:

Àudiblė is a big employer in N. NJ, and actually lots of FMU ppl work there, or used to work there, and it’s very siloed, so lots of us did not know about this, or prob still don’t know.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Webhamster Henry:

DRM that does not expire with copyright expiration violates copyright law.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Franco Twinkie:

This past Saturday we went to a poetry reading. I bought a book from the author afterwards. I stuffed wrinkled dollar bills in her purse. Can't do that every day.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
coelacanth∅:

ha! true Will... there's no fence tall enough to keep out the assholeness of american-style pigs.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Įkê @6:42
Audible was recruiting me, but there wasn't a there there for me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
coelacanth∅:

Robert, no. my idea's better.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Įkê @6:42
*Publishers* don't even know!
  6:45pm
Listener Robert:

Friend of mine's bothered by copyright on a photograph of a public-domain thing. He doesn't seem to get that that's reasonable, since other people can take their own photos of the thing in question.
  6:46pm
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I’m terrified that I’m starting to see amzn virtual healthcare ads
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Įêk:

Also, the ÃCX self-pub audiobook platform is absolutely packed with garbage, such a constant ocean of scammy crap that (at least as of a couple of years ago) nobody in that department could keep up w/it or keep the scammers out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
coelacanth∅:

"scamazon virtual healthcare"?
can't be worse than the parasites we have now (ie "caremount")
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Erin in TO:

Great interview. Always love to hear Cory, he's brilliant. Thank you Mark!
  Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Zinn The Mood:

First step: start getting working and middle class folks (the 99%) to get up off of their knees to stop genuflecting at the altar of CAPITALISM.
Stop worshipping the rich.
You (we) are not a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
American media is so pervasive and persuasive with the brainwashing.
Starts there.
Got to get ordinary people to stop buying into the lie that the purpose of your whole existence is to get rich. Quickly, if possible.
  6:50pm
Bea:

Great interview, Mark! Thank you for all your great work that goes into this show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
coelacanth∅:

true, Zinn. another perversion activated during the reagan era
  6:51pm
Feldy:

Fantastic show! Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:50
I think well before. The promise used to entice labor here was always land and money, and it was also weaponized to create a racial division between workers so that they could never find common cause and both groups could be fully exploited. I'd say that that myth has been going on since the land-grab westward expansions way early in the national history.
  6:52pm
?:

↳ Zinn The Mood @6:48
it’s repulsive and disordered for individuals to sequester massive amounts of wealth
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Įêk:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:44
Used to be a good place to work for an editorial type since we are normally paid so poorly elsewhere. Plus free lunch every day (really meant for the tech ppl but you can’t really give it to them and not everyone else), which was a lovely perk. I’m like a dog — if you feed me, I’ll love you forever — or until you abuse me. Oh, and until you fail to question what crazy Nazi bullshit Sïmon & Schûstèr is publishing through your platform.
  Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Zinn The Mood:

Great Matt Christman podcast about the alienation and darkness so much of us feel at this moment - and how Christianity has been perverted to prop up capitalism. Guy’s a serious sage.
podcasts.apple.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Įêk @6:52
Best to stick with Si-Mark and Scott-funkel.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Franco Twinkie:

The secondary market for books and music is not a solution to the problem, but for the time been, it's the best I can do.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
coelacanth∅:

Handy yes of course it was well before. it's the american way. but reagan quieted any notion within the masses to be responsible or pragmatic, and told people, admittedly pathetically weak, "don't worry" and "look out for #1".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
chresti:

↳ Įêk @6:52
Cats too.
  6:56pm
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brilliant to circumvent the app store!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark, be well everyone!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Handy Haversack:

Thank you, Mark and Cory! Another stab in the eye of the extractivists!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Cory!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:55
Yeah, coela, I hear that.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Franco Twinkie:

Thanks Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
coelacanth∅:

there was a time -the 70s, when the was a glimmer of pragmatism, a glimmer of a society working together...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Įêk:

↳ chresti @6:55
I adore cats but they’re smarter than me when it comes to loving someone after they feed you. I’m more like a dumb dog — I adored them after they gave me a (quite good!) daily free lunch. Ofc that went away during the pandemic, among other things…
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Handy Haversack:

It's almost a relief to hear the Pac-Man-dies sound. The regular sound pump my anxiety so high. I can only really Dig-Dug.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
melinda:

thanks Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark and Cory!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu"
Thanks for fleeing the ghosts and eating the pills, Pac-Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
dale:

it's kraftwok!
  Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Zinn The Mood:

↳ @6:52
Precisely, HH!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Mennlinn Rebarts:

omoshiroi!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu"
pretty rad
Avatar 6:59pm
wind:

↳ Song: "The Model" by "Hikashu"
Thank you Mark!
  6:59pm
?:

Ive been off amzn! They keep following me…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Cory!
(and Thanks Rebecca!)
  9:20pm
Dean:

Ingram is the only book distributor? News to me.
  9:31pm
Dean:

How does one "buy a short position"? You take a short position by selling Amazon expecting its value will drop. Or you buy a put option.
  9:37pm
Dean:

"Fiduciaries"? No, that's not true.
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