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Favoriting January 9, 2023: Surveillance roundup

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Today: Surveillance roundup

Welcome to (binary) episode number 100000000.

Madison Square Garden Uses Facial Recognition to Ban Its Owner’s Enemies (by Kashmir Hill and Corey Kilgannon, NYT, Dec 22, 2022): Kelly Conlon accompanied her “daughter’s Girl Scout troop on a trip into Manhattan to see the ‘Christmas Spectacular’ at Radio City Music Hall. . . Before she could even glimpse the Rockettes, however, security guards pulled Ms. Conlon aside and her New York jaunt took an Orwellian turn.”

But one town said no...

This N.J. town just said ‘no’ to facial recognition cameras on its streets (NJ.com, Jan 3, 2023): “South Orange will not install facial recognition software when it upgrades its street security cameras after questions were raised about whether the technology is unreliable and prone toward misidentifying people of color, local officials said.”

Meantime, Amazon's home surveillance grows...

A Roomba recorded a woman on the toilet. How did screenshots end up on Facebook? (by Eileen Guo, Technology Review, Dec 19, 2022): “From the start, iRobot went all in on computer vision, and its first device with such capabilities, the Roomba 980, debuted in 2015. It was also the first of iRobot’s Wi-Fi-enabled devices, as well as its first that could map a home, adjust its cleaning strategy on the basis of room size, and identify basic obstacles to avoid.”

Amazon now owns Roomba’s maker, iRobot, which claims the images were only due to special “special development robots” sent to gig workers in Venezuela. “People using development devices agree to allow iRobot to collect data, including video streams, as the devices are running, often in exchange for ‘incentives for participation,’ according to a statement from iRobot.”





But it's not just gig workers. Amazon already is paying consumers for surveillance access...

Amazon is offering customers $2 per month for letting the company monitor the traffic on their phones (Insider, Dec 5, 2022): “The deal is part of the Amazon Shopper Panel, an invite-only program where select Amazon customers can earn $10 per month if they upload 10 eligible receipts from purchases made outside of Amazon. Panelists can receive additional monthly rewards for completing short surveys.”

...and Ring surveillance devices are proliferating...

You can finally buy the Ring Car Cam (The Verge, Jan 5, 2023): "The Ring Car Cam is the video doorbell company’s first foray into security away from the home. Featuring dual-facing cameras that can record inside and outside of the car, both when it’s in motion and parked, the Ring Car Cam also has a microphone and speaker as well as sensors to detect events and motion in and around the car. . . . The camera works with the Ring app for viewing live and recorded video from its two cameras. You can also use its built-in microphone and speaker for two-way talk from the car or to communicate with anyone who is in your car when you’re not there."

...and Ring is not just on your door, not just in your car:

The N.Y.P.D. Is on Amazon’s Neighborhood Watch App (NYT, Dec 2, 2022): “The nation’s largest police force recently joined the Ring Neighbors app and can now enlist the help of the city’s residents in investigations. Critics say it could lead to racial profiling. . . . the vast growth of the initiative — over 2,000 of the nation’s public safety agencies have signed on, including in Los Angeles and Chicago — has alarmed digital rights and privacy activists who say that the platform could lead to over surveillance by the police, a burden historically borne by people of color. In New York, home to the nation’s largest and most digitally sophisticated police force, the venture represents a dramatic expansion of the police’s surveillance apparatus.”

It's not just Amazon. Much of the tech industry is dependent on surveillance, as shown at CES this month...

It’s 2023, and tech is still pushing unsafe products (Washington Post, Jan 8, 2023): “CES brings a flood of new gadgets with dangerous technology and little vetting.” One of the conference’s “breakout favorites [was] the U-Scan urine sensor from connected health care company Withings, which analyzes hormone levels in urine and is gearing up for U.S. launch. After the Supreme Court overturned the right to an abortion in June and some states banned abortion, hormonal changes could potentially become evidence of a crime. Withings said it stores that data indefinitely and, if subpoenaed by law enforcement, would ‘comply with all legal requirements in the territories in which it operates.’ It said it doesn’t otherwise share data with third parties.”

• From VentureBeat: “U-Scan can distinguish between various users thanks to its Stream ID feature. Low-energy radar sensors embedded within the reader measure multiple variables to identify an individual’s urine stream signature, by detecting the movement and distance of the stream. Stream ID information can be affirmed in the app.”




• Also from that WaPo piece: “Companies could choose to make useful, private, repairable products, said iFixit’s Kyle Wiens during the Worst in Show announcement, but what is the real purpose of a $200 travel mug with location-sharing capabilities and an irreplaceable battery? ‘We already have thermoses,’ he said. ‘They’re phenomenally successful. They’ve been around for a very long time.’” (See also coverage in The Register.)

• Time available, let’s hear about a new Neutrogena product at CES from Nathan Proctor from US PIRG (Senior Director, Campaign for the Right to Repair. “PIRG is a federation of independent, state-based, citizen-funded Public Interest Research Groups.”)

Students rebel against heat-sensing crotch monitor surveillance devices (Hackaday, Dec 12, 2022): “Northeastern University students pulled out all the desk sensors and arranged them to spell ‘NO.’”



...meantime, Facebook is still out there, looking for more ways to build its dossier on you...

“Out Of Control”: Dozens of Telehealth Startups Sent Sensitive Health Information to Big Tech Companies (The Markup, Dec 13, 2022): "An investigation by The Markup and STAT found 49 out of 50 telehealth websites sharing health data via Big Tech’s tracking tools."

Open the website of WorkIt Health, and the path to treatment starts with a simple intake form: Are you in danger of harming yourself or others? If not, what’s your current opioid and alcohol use? How much methadone do you use?

. . . But what patients probably don’t know is that WorkIt was sending their delicate, even intimate, answers about drug use and self-harm to Facebook.

A joint investigation by STAT and The Markup of 50 direct-to-consumer telehealth companies like WorkIt found that quick, online access to medications often comes with a hidden cost for patients: Virtual care websites were leaking sensitive medical information they collect to the world’s largest advertising platforms.

. . . “I thought I was at this point hard to shock,” said Ari Friedman, an emergency medicine physician at the University of Pennsylvania who researches digital health privacy. “And I find this particularly shocking.”
Facebook’s response is reminiscent of Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri when asked about preteens using Instagram...
“Advertisers should not send sensitive information about people through our Business Tools,” Dale Hogan, a spokesperson for Meta, wrote in an email.

. . . if this is how the internet works, get off these services if you can:
. . . “It’s a pure monetization play,” said Eric Perakslis, chief science and digital officer at the Duke Clinical Research Institute. “And yes, everybody else is doing it, it’s the way the internet works. . . . But I think that it’s out of step with medical ethics, clearly.” Eexperts worry that health data could be used to target patients in need with ads for services and therapies that are unnecessary or even harmful.

If you use “smart” (surveillance) devices, be prepared to be surveilled by more than Big Tech and the government. . .

Researchers Could Track the GPS Location of All of California’s New Digital License Plates (Vice, Jan 9, 2023): “After gaining access to a powerful administrative account, the researchers could perform all sorts of tasks inside Reviver, the sole company that sells the digital plates in California. . . . ‘An actual attacker could remotely update, track, or delete anyone’s REVIVER plate,’ Sam Curry, a bug bounty hunter, wrote.”

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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Mark and all the surveilled!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonitored!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
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melinda:

hi Mark and techtons
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark & on-liners!
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StringOFperils:

See me, feel me, touch me, steal me
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ultradamno:

Had to swap out my cable box over the weekend and now have one with a voice command remote for the first time. It makes me self-conscious.
  6:01pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
  6:01pm
listener James from Westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
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Handy Haversack:

Evening, David. Long time! Radnage?
  6:02pm
?:

↳ StringOFperils @6:01
Find me, I'm over here!
  6:02pm
Glistener MW:

evening, fellow robits 🤖
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Bas NL:

Happy 100000000th Mark!
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PaulRobeson1923:

Hi Hi Hi!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Bas NL @6:03
If episodes were kilobytes we'd have two Apple IIes.

Oh, Bas, also! The Cool Greenhouse is playing Utrecht soon, I think!
  6:06pm
Androu B.:

Good Evening Mark & Tech Talkers!
¡Hola, Handy!
Greets, David!
(That was me @6:02, SOP! Hi!)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
chresti in el sobrante:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!

I'm wearing amazon pants I bought in a thrift store.
  6:06pm
David in London:

Handles, wotcha me Runza. No, just taking a break from the boards over the gorging season. How’s yourself?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
alan the painter:

ha ha ha ha...
swell,
happy to eAr yo voice...again!
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Handy Haversack:

There are only 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

¡Hola, Androu!

All within tolerances, David. I'll try to put together an e-mail soon.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark. As you may know, there are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who can count in binary and those who can't.
  6:08pm
Eugene R.:

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand Binary and those who do not.
Avatar 🤖 6:08pm
Bas NL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:05
Hi Handy! Yup. Feb 15th. I've got a ticket!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:07
Haha! Where should I send you the Coke I owe you?
  6:09pm
yippie:

did you start counting with episode 1 or episode 0?
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Bas NL @6:08
Whew, Bas! I couldn't remember if we'd discussed it already. I'm encouraging my friend in Edinburgh to see them there, too.

Coke for Eugene, too, Ken!
  6:10pm
David in London:

Androu, Chrestikins, Ultradamno, Basmeester, Ken, String et al. New Year greetings to you all.
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chresti in el sobrante:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:07
I'm ten of one of those people
  6:11pm
wind:

Mark♥️♥️♥️
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ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
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coelacanth∅:

(pretends to be a democracy)
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coelacanth∅:

conversely to privacy being power, information is power
- which is the bottom line and should be the long-term concern
  6:13pm
Androu B.:

@Handy, KfHP, & Eugene R. - Appartently, great minds think alike! But to be more to the point: 1 out of 10 people in this country can count in binary, and the rest cannot.
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Ciggy:

MSG / Radio City / Rockettes / NY Knicks / that damned Dolan & his terrible band - JD & The Straight Shot
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Webhamster Henry:

Nice to have a Round Up show once in a while.
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Bas NL:

Hi David! Have a great New Year!

And yes Handy, you tipped me and i bought a ticket just then!
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ultradamno:

The Xfinity store I visited to pick up the aforementioned cable box had a whole front door thing set up on one wall displaying home surveillance devices, probably Apple stuff, there was a lot of Apple stuff in there.
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DanFA:

Hey gang. Sorry I'm late.
  6:15pm
Androu B.:

↳ Androu B. @6:13
*(sp) Apparently
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melinda:

so damn creepy
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dale:

i've never had apps or things turned on my smart phone but last one i got i turned on the location tracking so i could use it as a gps. when google sends a location report it's astounding how they know what business you're sitting at having lunch, if i walked there or rode a motorcycle there....we're focked.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Handy Haversack:

Not that it wasn't creepy and awful when it was just the U.S. govt. literally calling it the Total Information Awareness program ...
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Picante Mint:

Yet another reason to wear a mask..
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Picante Mint:

That's very messed up tho.
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drew:

It's been happening in casinos for years. Just go to nearby Atlantic City . . .
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ultradamno:

By the way, friend of the show/sometime woof moo host People Like Us has an indiegogo campaign to fund new album and tour www.indiegogo.com...
  6:19pm
bleubombersune:

Did Dolan's security mob film or photo all the employees of this adversarial law firm and upload to their data base
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dan in wisconsin:

'Pacifying The Homeland: Intelligence Fusion and Mass Supervision,' by Brendan McQuade is an interesting book on the topic. It is similar in scope to Sarah Brayne's 'Predict and Surveil.'
  6:20pm
yippie:

I know someone who shoplifted from a Gucci store in midtown, and she didn't get caught that day. but 6 months later she got arrested for a separate incident and the cops recognized her from the security camera footage the store sent in and she got charged for the shoplifting too
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Great job South Orange!
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Webhamster Henry:

Happy iPhone 15th announcement anniversary!!📱🤳📵
  6:21pm
Glistener MW:

kudos, South Orange!
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mb:

Hello Mark Hurst and all
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Wind:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:20
ugh
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Wind:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:20
we need to find one of the people who dd this for Mark to interview
  6:23pm
David in London:

Any roomba story is always a Techtonic classic.
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melinda:

Disparities in facial recognition should be acknowledged but the real problem is that the tech is used at all, a more equitable authoritarian dystopia isn't something we want either, is it?
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I received an email the other day from Delta Airlines touting their upcoming facial recognition updates that will make it more simple and convenient to check in at the airport. No thanks.
  6:23pm
yippie:

then she was in rikers for too long. i told her to tell the judge they were denying her right to a speedy trial, and they let her out.
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melinda:

↳ David in London @6:23
haha
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dan in wisconsin:

Palantir Technologies and that corporation's applications would make for an interesting show topic, also.
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StringOFperils:

Eye Robot
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ultradamno:

You could force it to film your Three Girl Roomba, One Cup vid
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PaulRobeson1923:

Romba! takes photos as you, cook clean pee sleep and eat
  6:27pm
yippie:

now when girls get mad they should throw roombas and smart-toasters at their boyfriends instead of throwing plates.
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dale:

i expected this much from that dyson guy. even his name sounds like he's an oligarth.
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queems:

my bf’s grandma just got one of those for xmas, he’s going to be psyched to hear he has this going on in his house
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dale:

queems - no one wants to watch seniors wee.
  6:29pm
Androu B.:

And this makes a perfect lead-in to a discussion about this upcoming Wednesday's continuation of the Diarrhemix contest on SM Ken's show (if anyone's up for it, that is).
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ultradamno:

There's not reason to be suspicious of us for test driving something wildly suspicious...like it was just a weekend goof or something?
  6:30pm
David in London:

I wonder if the person on the toilet was also using that app that uses an In-toilet sensor to analyse their urine? Surveilled from inside the toilet and without.
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Handy Haversack:

Well, they'd never mess with a labor organization as powerful as Venezuelan gig workers. You gotta figure they'd stay on their best corporate behavior.
  6:31pm
queems:

@dale idk, the internet is a big place
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chresti in el sobrante:

wow
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dale:

true queems....
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Webhamster Henry:

I have a robot Broomba! -- Sorcerer's Apprentice.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

a big 24, lol...
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chresti in el sobrante:

*wonders about my amazon leisure pants*
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joe mulligan:

it was for doing "ring and runs!"
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Wind:

my brother has it, he lives in Chile
  6:34pm
chrisw:

Can the urine lab be mounted in adult diapers for on-the-go use?
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Bas NL:

And Venezuelan gig workers did the hoovering.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

doorbells were at a measely 24 volts so no one would be killed if it was wet
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StringOFperils:

How else will the helicopters find you down there? The Roomba can't peek through the mailbox yet.
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Wind:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @6:35
hahaha
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Androu B.:

Jeff Bezos: The real-life Lord Of The Rings!
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PaulRobeson1923:

Romba! Now will take measurements as you sleep and keep you company on the can
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chresti in el sobrante:

↳ chrisw @6:34
that's next: diapers with sensors
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basil-the-lizard:

I was birdwatching a few weeks ago. I got carried away and lost track of where I was and I ended up on a stranger's lawn, just 2 feet from the sidewalk, but still. I felt bad about it and leapt back to the sidewalk immediately. But I was so paranoid about whether or not the owners had a ring. I imagined image of myself recorded on that cam uploaded to YouTube and me being prosecuted for it
  6:36pm
Glistener MW:

If I had rank all the “Amazon-produced things with the word ‘ring’ in the title” in order from favorite to least-favorite, they’d be
1) Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power
2) Amazon Ring
  6:38pm
jan:

Mark, based on your past warnings I tried to discourage for 2 years, my wife from getting a Roomba. She bought the lowest model, no camera, but, it's here now! It cleans pretty well, and she's happy, so I have to live with the device!
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basil-the-lizard:

(I'm never going to make that mistake again of course) but it was so much more nerve-wracking imagining being recorded in my little absent minded mistake
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MarciB:

The Ring "doorbells" have one good, unintentional side effect - recording wild animals and celestial movements (like comets) in the night sky. I saw some amazing videos -one of a moose losing its antlers (rare to see), unexpected meteors, etc. Alas, that's the 1% of the good things it does. The 99% of evil cancels anything good out.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Handy Haversack:

Surveillance, only kind of arguably, came into *existence* to target communities of color and the most vulnerable. And the action of capitalism ever since has been to expand the population of the vulnerable and the depths of vulnerability. Marks is showing us the chickens come home to roost of the intensely racialized policies we allowed "for the good of the nation."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Over policed and under policed at the same time- lawenforcementactionpartnership.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
ultradamno:

I keep forgetting something other than porn awards go on there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Julian in LA:

definitely some interesting perks. maybe everyone should have access to the data?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Julian in LA:

instead of just the cops? imagine just being able to turn on any camera lol
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:

I ❤️ iFixit!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
StringOFperils:

Each police officer should also be surveilled at all times, the location the vital-signs, the cross-referenced psyche profile, and the number of Roombas they've purchased
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Julian in LA:

I want a camera in every electric toothbrush. imagine the tooth decay we could prevent
Avatar 🤖 6:43pm
MarciB:

$50 gummies lol
  6:43pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Good joke
  6:43pm
Sam:

People are complacent now because we still have a democracy and the police go relatively easy on people. But wait until the next insurrection, the next Trump, and watch them press all this surveillance into service in one swoop and we’ll all be living in absolute submission. So many things are broken and sooner or later the holes will line up and they’ll get us, permanently. Good luck getting any of your rights back once they’re watching and listening to everything with the power to disappear you.
  6:44pm
David in London:

Hope the urine analysis and bespoke vitamin gummi analysis data streams don’t get confused…
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MarciB:

I'm sure the beauty industry has gone into overdrive promoting the Neutrogena product - and plenty of other companies are following.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
lazy pierogi:

i house-sat for some friends a few months ago, and it turned out they had the place completely wired with G**gle Nest products. i didn't know this going in.

to turn on/off the lights you had to ask Google to do it for you. no switches anywhere. thank god we didn't lose power otherwise we would've been in the dark.

i got up in the middle of the night one of the nights, and in the bedroom a nightlight automatically lit up for me which i thought was pretty convenient at the time. in the morning i was completely aghast when i realized the nightlight was part of the Nest system and was basically just watching us sleep all night.

it turned a beautiful weekened in the catskills to a total effing creepfest. won't ever offer to house sit there again.
  6:45pm
David in London:

Handy, ‘Jonesing for my skin stacks’, time for a new album methinks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
StringOFperils:

↳ Sam @6:43
Good point, and not exaggeration either. If a highly intelligent, cunning, and brilliant autocrat comes forward, these technologies will be incredibly and unstoppably lethal
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dale:

what's a tap dance-loving felon to do?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Carmichael:

My Ring doesn't record anything until something interrupts it's field of vision. I don't understand how all of these Ring videos seem to record everything all the time. Is it always on?
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Bas NL:

StoolScan?
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ lazy pierogi @6:45
A nightmare for sure
  6:46pm
Deano de los Muertos:

It’s so they look like a harmless ant trap 😉
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MarciB:

↳ lazy pierogi @6:45
Yikes - that's always been my reason to stick with old school analog items in my house! No "smart" appliances for me!
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PaulRobeson1923:

Tinkle! Please!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Analyzing the Tinkle! Please
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Will thee Sound Guy:

the ultimate urinal cake
  6:47pm
Androu B.:

Oh, that's easy, Mark: They're paying homage to Don Rickles!
Avatar 🤖 6:47pm
MarciB:

↳ Bas NL @6:46
Now if it can detect colon polyps without having to do colonoscopy prep, that's one thing. Alas...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
listener james from westwood:

Pee surveillance, Roomba spy camera, crotch scanners . . . the CES-to-OnlyFans pipeline has never been shorter.
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stu564t9:

holy crap all this new tech is creepy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
DanFA:

What happens if you go number 2?
  6:47pm
Deano de los Muertos:

@Will I prefer the edible ones
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listener james from westwood:

↳ DanFA @6:47
Massive false positive on urinary bilirubin?
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Jeff Moore:

"That's gold."
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Wind:

jesus christ
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
chresti in el sobrante:

↳ lazy pierogi @6:45
I'm currently staying in a home that is also wired with nest. I accidently set one off when I mistook it for a light switch. My brother ended up placing it in a coffee can and sticking it in the basement.
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basil-the-lizard:

U-scan could also detect transgender medical care , something currently being outlawed for people under 26 in some states
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Will thee Sound Guy:

f them, absolute douchetools
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stu564t9:

Gonna have to start checking toilets for data harvesters...
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MarciB:

And no one is talking about the fact that birth control pills are used to help women in peri-menopause and menopause, as well as making our periods normal. But no, women's bodies are being criminalized...still.
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Jules in VT:

Mark's in full Howard Beale mode tonight. this is gold
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Dano59:

Well, count on Mark to make us feel terrified anew every week.
Me,I always look for the worst-case Black Mirror scenario in these things.
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Handy Haversack:

Say it, Mark!

All of this the next step from figuring out how to say, "Please turn off your phone and watch while I am near you." Which I already don't have the social skills to navigate.
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MyAcademy:

I can't wait to ask my friends if they've got a urine surveillance device in their toilet. Great way to kickstart an interesting discussion.
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paddy in matawan:

Pure gold Jerry!
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The Butterman:

Scan my
Piss…please!
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StringOFperils:

Gravity's golden rainbow
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listener james from westwood:

"Why do I have to write sentences like that?" = refrain of the show
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ultradamno:

Also, I guess if an area passes a anti-trans public bathroom bill into law...
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Ciggy:

I love it when you read sentences like that, Mark
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David in London:

RADAR, once protecting Britain from the Luftwaffe, now helping urine stream analysis. Sigh.
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alan the painter:

ha ha ha, pee_ping Tom...
pain filled!
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Fredericks:

I'm so glad Mark kept the optimism up throughout the show.
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Listener Robert:

Maybe 20 minutes ago when you asked us to guess where surveillance devices were being put, I said, "Down your throat, to record what you swallow, in addition to listening to what you say?"
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listener james from westwood:

↳ basil-the-lizard @6:49
Excellent point. Horrifying but excellent. And likely one this outfit never thought to worry about.
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Sam:

Guess I’ll have to piss in the sink
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melinda:

↳ MarciB @6:50
I'm aware of hormone replacement for menopausal women but birth control pills? yikes
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dale:

soon they'll be sending coupons for canned corn to your phone, too.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ listener james from westwood @6:52
Word, James.
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Dano59:

what was that recent article about off-the-grid kids having public park meetups in NYC?
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StringOFperils:

The country can't even manage fresh urinal pucks. They should start small.
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Androu B.:

I wonder if Diarrhea Lady owns a Roomba. If so, we'd be greeted and treated to more juicy soundbites to lol over.
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lazy pierogi:

↳ chresti in el sobrante @6:49
better yet a garbage can
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Dano59:

No Ring, Alexa or Nest for me.
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Julian in LA:

we're all getting chipped evenetually like dogs... then all this will seem frivolous and people will wait in line for nearolink
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Honestly, the government should govern for the people... not targeting people...
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Deano de los Muertos:

skin stacks 😝
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PaulRobeson1923:

All new technologies are simply improved means to a unimproved end.

Nothing to worry about, in the end... Now, How then shall we live?
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MarciB:

↳ melinda @6:53
Yes, it works wonders actually. But that's being criminalized.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

In the This Week With Elon Musk segment: The reason he wants to go to Mars might be to corner the opal market. www.livescience.com...
Thanks, Mark!
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ultradamno:

↳ StringOFperils @6:53
Yeah, but those don't produce anything that can be monetized
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Handy Haversack:

Much-needed screeds and jeremiads, Mark!

Many thanks for always boosting this signal. Maybe we'll hear it in time.
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Wind:

I like the Artwork :)
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listener james from westwood:

Had to double-check that Northeastern is not a Mormon or fundamentalist institution with the crotch monitors and whatnot.
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David in London:

I might start keeping my urine in the fridge like Bowie used to do at the height of his cocaine period. Safer that way it seems. He was right after all.
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Webhamster Henry:

Today's theme is "I'm not making this up kids!"
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Wind:

South Orange NJ WINNERS
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melinda:

I figured this episode would be weird and depressing but I wasn't expecting crotch monitors.
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Julian in LA:

scariest episode in a while for sure
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alan the painter:

Culture JAMM!!!!
Project yo images into toilet, oh punny...
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David in London @6:55
David, I've been keeping your urine in my fridge, so you may as well join the party.
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Bas NL:

Where's my hotpants...
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Jeff Moore:

We really do live in the stupidest timeline.
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Dano59:

byproducts of automation going forward, obviating the need for humans doing human tasks. today it's attendance, tomorrow we're all powering the Matrix.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

digital plates, what an age we live in....
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Wind:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:56
yep
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chresti in el sobrante:

↳ melinda @6:53
beware of cancer from hormone therapy for menopause. I know someone who had that happen to her.
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David in London:

Handles, good man. Knew I could rely on you.
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Julian in LA:

they'll have to figure out a way to have prisoners make them for free is the only obstacle
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New Guy:

Mark, it would be great if you did a show on SOLUTIONS
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Deano de los Muertos:

Thanks Mark !
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Dano59:

I need a user-friendly anarchy guide somewhere between 2600 and Adbusters.
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listener 126464:

Thanks Mark.
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MarciB:

There was a great story in the NYT from Kashmir Hill called "Your Memories, Their Cloud". Worth reading!
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alan the painter:

U R thee best wee lv U!
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stu564t9:

Thanks Mark!!
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Wind:

You're the BEST
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
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chresti in el sobrante:

Thanks Mark!
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Quinn02:

Awesome show Mark!
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Webhamster Henry:

I have an EZ-Pass but don't have a car. That's so I can pay my own fares when doing a car rental.
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Androu B.:

Thanks for keeping the message fresh, Mark! More power to ya! KEEP CALLING OUT AND CARRY ON!
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Julian in LA:

Thanks Mark!
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StringOFperils:

Thanks. Good work, Mark!
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MarciB:

↳ chresti in el sobrante @6:57
Me too - my mom. But she's a survivor, thankfully
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Carmichael:

My next band will be called Crotch Monitors.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark Hurst, I'm now only pissing at home or in the woods... lol
great show
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Jeff Moore:

Something I always want to nominate for a Surveillance Dystopia [Dis]honorable Mention:

those hideous "Elf on a Shelf" dolls. They don't have cameras in them (that I know of!), but they acclimate kids to a pervasive surveillance society!
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Bas NL:

↳ Carmichael @6:58
Roomba & The Crotch Monitors :)
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melinda:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:59
good point. resist the elf.
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Annette:

Thanks mark ❣️!
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basil-the-lizard:

That was eye opening
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melinda:

thanks Mark, great outro song
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Will thee Sound Guy:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:59
elf off the shelf...
we have Snoop on a stoop
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chresti in el sobrante:

↳ Song: "Transmission Clause" by "The Dictaphone"
I love the Dictaphone!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Looking forward to reading your comments. Have a good evening.
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Will thee Sound Guy @7:00
Snoop on a Stoop is much harder not to like
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