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Today: Lurking dangers of tech: things the tech-bros forgot to mention.

Cleveland man with a nature app: (Cleveland.com, Oct 10, 2022):

A nature-identification app on his phone had identified it as an edible mushroom. The 54-year-old beekeeper and amateur naturalist from [the Cleveland area] had grown and picked mushrooms in the past, and regularly enjoyed identifying plants. So he did what he thought was the responsible thing: he used the plant identification app on his phone to determine the species of mushroom.

When the app matched his photos of the backyard mushrooms with an edible species, Hickman collected them, took them home, and sautéed them with onions, garlic and butter. Then he ate them on top of the mushroom tortellini his wife had made for dinner. . . . sometime in the middle of that night roughly eight hours later, Hickman became violently ill with crippling stomach pain, and continuous vomiting and diarrhea.

. . . “I think if I wouldn’t have had my phone, I wouldn’t have picked them. I know I wouldn’t have. There’s no question in my mind,” Hickman said.

Personal Heart Monitors Can Be Dangerous (letter to the WSJ, Robert Saldivar, M.D., Oct 10, 2022): “In my suburban practice, I often see someone who has received a device alert. Rarely will we find a serious condition . . . Most often, the frequent alerts from the device have led to a high level of stress, which can exacerbate an underlying anxiety condition. None of these devices can detect the electrical indicators of a heart attack. . . If [users] feel ‘off’ and the device gives no alert or reads normal, they may feel falsely reassured and not seek medical attention.”

America’s Ring doorbell camera obsession highlights the scourge of mass surveillance (by Evan Greer and Anna Bonesteel from Fight for the Future, opinion piece in NBCNews.com, Nov 1, 2022): “In October, a man walked down his Florida street to return a neighbor’s package that had been accidentally delivered to his address. But unbeknownst to this good Samaritan, he was being watched by an Amazon Ring doorbell camera on the front porch, reported The Washington Post. Police told The Post that the Ring device sent an alert to the homeowner and his teenage son, who — assuming there was an intruder — grabbed .45-caliber handguns and opened fire on a woman (not the package returner) sitting in her car.”

  --> See also: They got a Ring doorbell alert, then opened fire on a bystander, police say (Washington Post, Oct 19, 2022) and Ring Cameras Are Going to Get More People Killed (Oct 24, 2022)

The YouTube baker fighting back against deadly “craft hacks” (Technology Review, Sep 23, 2022): “Ann Reardon spends her time debunking dangerous activities that go viral on the platform—but the craze shows no signs of abating.” The story focuses on the YouTube channel “5-Minute Crafts, currently the 13th most subscribed channel on YouTube; every week, the channel gains around 30 million more views.” One analysis estimates that the channel generates up to $6.8 million annually for the creators. The channel features “craft hacks” that are often potentially lethal, like “poaching eggs in a microwave, bleaching strawberries,” and as Tech Review points out, “a tutorial on spinning molten sugar into cotton candy with an electric drill; a tutorial on making a glue gun out of a sliced soda can and a lighter; and a video in which a mysterious hand lights antibacterial gel on fire before swiping fingers through it.”

  --> Another type of “craft hack” that Reardon warns against is fractal wood burning, which is potentially lethal. From the Journal of Burn Care & Research, Mar/Apr 2021, Shocked Though the Heart and YouTube Is to Blame – The Rising Incidence of Accidental Trans-cardiac Electrocution From Do-It-Yourself Fractal Wood Art:
YouTube users account for more than 45% of the world’s entire online population, including more than 73% of American adults. Many are turning to DIY online videos to inspire new ways of passing the time. As a result, the world has seen a startling increase in DIY-related injuries. . . . DIY-related fatalities have also been on the rise. . .

The growing popularity of fractal wood burning is increasing the incidence [of] high-voltage electrocutions occurring at home. The pre-eminent association for wood art in the United States, the American Association of Woodturners (AAW), has issued a policy against fractal wood burning citing more than 24 deaths attributed to the technique. . . . A casual online search using the terms “how to fractal wood burning” and “how to Lichtenberg art” yields hundreds of results including dozens of videos . . . frequently accompanied by links and “pop up” advertisements selling the electrical equipment necessary to build a high-voltage transformer and produce a finished work of art. While some videos depict methods to “improve safety” such as holding the electrified jumper cables with oven mitts, these methods are by no means safe.

Tim Carter of the Washington Post’s “Ask the Builder” column warned readers not to believe what they see on YouTube. He cautioned, “I’ve watched hundreds of YouTube videos showing the exact wrong way to do something.” However, prior to their accidents, all of our patients believed Lichtenberg burning was safe. . . . [and] any of them could have easily been killed by the transcardiac shock they experienced.

Palmer Luckey Made a VR Headset That Kills the User If They Die in the Game (Vice, Nov 7, 2022), relying on “explosive modular charges. He tied them to a narrow-band photo sensor that detects the headset views a specific red screen that flashes at a specific frequency. ‘When an appropriate game-over screen is displayed, the charges fire, instantly destroying the brain of the user,’ Luckey said.” This appears to be true, and confirmed by Luckey's own post on Nov 6: If you die in the game, you die in real life. Luckey hypes up “NerveGear, the incredible device that perfectly recreates reality using a direct neural interface that is also capable of killing the user. . . . we are halfway to making a true NerveGear. . . . so far, I have only figured out the half that kills you. The perfect-VR half of the equation is still many years out.”

Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims (Reuters, Oct 27, 2022): “Tesla is under criminal investigation in the United States over claims that the company’s electric vehicles can drive themselves. . . . The U.S. Department of Justice launched the previously undisclosed probe last year following more than a dozen crashes, some of them fatal, involving Tesla’s driver assistance system Autopilot, which was activated during the accidents, the people said.”

Your Smart Thermostat Isn’t Here to Help You (Ian Bogost in the Atlantic, Sep 26, 2022): “utilities don’t encourage adoption of smart thermostats to produce individual household energy or cost savings. They do so to encourage residences to allow the utility to control their air-conditioning. . . . Google is the usual suspect in such indictments, and the tech giant does indeed collect and use Nest devices in that way. . . . But it’s not alone. Even seemingly normal, boring home-thermostat makers such as Honeywell do the same sort of thing—and also reserve the right to share that data with third parties. In this account, the overall data economy becomes the beneficiary of the smart thermostat. . . ."

KFC Apologizes for Linking Chicken Promotion to Kristallnacht (NYT, Nov 11, 2022): Artificial intelligence using very real anti-semitism to sell fake food. “On Wednesday, KFC Germany sent a message to users of its app with the title ‘Anniversary of the Reich’s pogrom night,’ according to reports in the German news media and screen shots of the promotion that circulated widely on Twitter. The message invited customers to enjoy ‘tender cheese with crispy chicken.’ . . . KFC Germany apologized again in a statement to news outlets, saying that its ‘obviously wrong, insensitive and unacceptable’ message about Kristallnacht resulted from an automated push notification that had been sent by accident.”

Internal Documents Show How Close the F.B.I. Came to Deploying Spyware (NYT, Nov 12, 2022): “Christopher Wray, the F.B.I.’s director, told Congress last December that the bureau purchased the phone hacking tool Pegasus for research and development purposes.” NSO Group's Pegasus can target any individual iPhone or Android phone, “reading text messages, tracking calls, collecting passwords, location tracking, accessing the target device’s microphone and camera, and harvesting information from apps” (reports Wikipedia). Not to worry, the FBI says they bought Pegasus just “to be able to figure out how bad guys could use it.”

Apple Limits iPhone File-Sharing Tool Used for Protests in China (Bloomberg, Nov 9, 2022): “iOS 16.1.1, released Wednesday, caps the window in which users can receive files from non-contacts at 10 minutes. . . . Apple made the change to AirDrop on iPhones sold in China. The shift came after protesters in the country used the service to spread posters opposing Xi Jinping and the Chinese government.”

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Listener comments!

  6:01pm kevlicki:

Good evening mark and all!
Avatar 🤖 6:01pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi tech fans!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtaredevils!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Handy Haversack:

Mark and Technical Solutions!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Webhamster Henry:

Hey Siri! PlayTechtonic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm _Ike_:

We were talking about "longtermism" a couple of weeks ago. This Vox article might (or might not, I'm not sure) present a more nuanced look at this weird philosophy. It's definitely more detailed:
www.vox.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm ultradamno:

Hmm, that explains the billboard I saw off the highway that said TechtARBionic Is Coming!
  6:02pm David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm melinda:

hi Mark and techtons
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm northguineahills:

haven't heard mark live in forever either (unfortunately, I'll need to leave in a few mins...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Carmichael:

Mmmm, mushrooms ...
  6:05pm solidago del senlin:

yes! great topic. seeing big data moneyball many aspects of life these days... curious if that comes up at all tonight
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm ultradamno:

Musk: I've way overpaid for this, you have to pay to keep this going my way!

Everyone: WE NEVER WANTED YOU!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Handy Haversack:

Closest I get is having once owned Twister on VHS. Which, not to brag, but that's still pretty good.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

Amazon is also up to mass layoffs. Remember those "Amazon is going t create thousands of jobs, so lets give them a bug tax break to move here" claims?
  6:06pm Andres:

✔️
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Ciggy:

Mark - Verify Me
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm herb.nyc:

hola. falling stock value of tech. brings me back to douglas rushkoff's latest book, SURVIVAL OF THE RICHEST, when he talks about aol buying time warner.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm ultradamno:

I have a porn in which they play twister, does that count?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Handy Haversack:

Like in that Nick Cave song?
Avatar 6:07pm Analog Nights:

Mark is going to do a touchdown dance
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Miss G:

Thank you _Ike_ because I was meaning to look into that more.(Longtermism)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm ultradamno:

I've put a green x next to my name of my acct., since I am definitely not who I am.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm chresti:

Fuck your blue checkmarks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm spacecadet:

the chiqita banana imposters were my personal favoriate
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Miss G:

spacecadet also mine, Chiquita banana
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm ultradamno:

My favorite was Kathy Griffin getting banned for offending the free speech absolutist
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm listener james from westwood:

Ah hah hah it's been a hilarious omnishambles over there and the book that eventually gets written on this will require a coaster to prevent the schadenfreude from leaking out and ruining the good upholstery.
Avatar 6:10pm Rolando:

Good Morning Friends (Australian Time) Mastodon is steaming hot at the moment, I suspect though that many will return to Twitter its just how people work, I have seen few protests in my time and generally speaking, like water flows downstream, so people slide over to the easiest option available. - I sincerely hope that the Fediverse continues to grows from strength to strength.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm _Ike_:

@Miss G@6:07, it's definitely a less alarmist take on longtermism, but I'm often more inclined to believe the more alarmist takes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm listener james from westwood:

Holy shit, that wood-burning headline is ::chef's kiss::
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Carmichael:

I have no social media presence. None. Except here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm ultradamno:

Isn't Facebook mass firing now too? Seems like I read that...got to keep up with the Joneses
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm ultradamno:

...err, Meta. Maybe.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm PaulRobeson1922:

Hi Hi Hi
  6:12pm solidago del senlin:

inat
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Handy Haversack:

And from a peer-reviewed journal, James!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm dale:

i have a bird call app, but never used it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm melinda:

I did a real-live tree identification workshop last week, it was great
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Handy Haversack:

Even Cornell's bird ID app uses Google as its framework, so you're ruining not only your own privacy but even the birds'. Even the birds'!
  6:14pm Greg g:

I use Picture This and have had a good experience with it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm PaulRobeson1922:

Hl Hi Hi Hi

Mushrooms, mushroom cloud, magic mushrooms
Avatar 🤖 6:14pm Bas NL:

Killer app!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Rick from SC:

You need to look at the spores. Darwinism at its finest
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Handy Haversack:

Wives. Whatchagonnado.
  6:15pm queems:

i use these apps all the time for plants in my yard, and you have to be an absolute moron to eat mushrooms an app identifies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Hopey Sockmonkey:

Wife seems to have had more sense.
  6:16pm solidago del senlin:

look up tippler's bane... great mushroom for alcoholics.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm listener james from westwood:

That music that plays at the start of some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons, that bouncy tune that presages mayhem? That's what I heard in my head at the start of this mushroom story.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm dale:

have a chicken of the woods growing last week at the base of a dead cherry. saw it but it was too dried up and hard by that point to harvest. had morrells a couple of years but they never came back.
Avatar 6:17pm Laurie H:

Always gotta do a spore print AND check a long list of other attributes. I would never trust an app. theres just too many variables.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm listener james from westwood:

There was a story in the 1990s where someone made a brew of what he thought was psychedelic mushrooms and chugged it, only to end up needing a liver transplant.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm WR:

Turn left HERE!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Handy Haversack:

I am not unconvinced that Hickman in Cleveland is a Philip K. Dick character.

That's why you run it through a reindeer, James!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm PaulRobeson1922:

Hydrogen Bombs
Avatar 6:18pm Rolando:

All mushroom are edible! Some only once !
  6:19pm yippie:

the same thing happens with mushroom encyclopedias, people think they identify a mushroom as edible but they almost die after eating it
  6:19pm yippie:

you can't sue the app maker or publisher because it's free speech
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Handy Haversack:

Erm, a whole show on Apple and privacy would be a great resource to point one's friends to ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm ultradamno:

BUT BUT BUT....the auction commercial!!
  6:20pm dday:

I thought you were talking about Johnny Hickman from Cracker
  6:20pm wendy del formaggio:

Hi everyone! The more benign version of this happens in VT all the time. I lost count of how many times I’ve been invited to parties etc where the hosts say, “Don’t rely on your phone’s GPS! It’ll get you lost!” The phone’s GPS also often sends people up over Class 4 mountain roads, which are not maintained and are basically for ox carts. Local emergency services folks hate this.
Avatar 6:21pm Rolando:

Handy Haversack ++ Yes, the themed show for reference is great idea. Amazon - Apple - Google etc.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Handy Haversack:

Wendy, how much would an ox cart set me back?
  6:23pm kevlicki:

Why the hell wouldn’t he have double, triple or quadruple confirmed the species!
I enjoy foraging, yet only eat the few varieties I can ID for certain are edible. Typically using multiple ID books and trusted friends for info.
Apps are fun for getting a reference. Bummers to hear that the Merlin/Cornell bird app is google, no surprise.
INaturalist is an interesting one
Avatar 🤖 6:24pm Bas NL:

"You have not made a purchase for one week. Consult a sales person immediately!"
  6:25pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ:

Great show as always, Mark. FWIW... multiple studies have demonstrated that wrist based heart rate monitoring is nowhere near as accurate as a chest strap.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Smacky:

Your leg is actually attached.
  6:25pm wendy del formaggio:

Handy, the ox-cart dealer may take your smartphone for trade.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Blobs:

Thought for sure Mark was going to go in on FTX today, ha... Enjoying this monologue, though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm melinda:

@wendy when I lived in Vermont I relied on my trusty DeLorme atlas. I only started using GPS when I moved from Maine to North Carolina in September, and it's been extremely helpful but I don't want to become totally dependent on it.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Handy Haversack:

kevlicki, when I realized the Cornell site wanted to use Google to log my bird IDs was the most sad-trombone moment I can remember. It was in deep pandemic, so I was definitely looking for something to do.

Hmm, Wendy, I'm just gonna *borrow* one from a friend ...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm ultradamno:

Reminding me of the Billions episode where the tech bro now running Axecap sees one of the characters is having a heart attack by the surveillance wrist thing he gave them all and insisted they all wear and saves his life (having to tip his hat to his surveillance, in life he'd probably ignored it...but that's TV
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm herb.nyc:

"throw into the river", haha, mark means to e-waste it. there'll be a tompkins park e-waste event THIS SUNDAY NOV 20, 10-2pm plz cometh. i have a dell 2007 laptop to bring.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Handy Haversack:

melinda, my Delorme collection is my pride and joy! We use them for MI, NY, VT/NH, and of course they own the Maine Atlas and Gazetteer now. I am sure they make one for NC!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm DjLorraine:

Wasn't there a mushroom expert who wrote an identification book and still made an incorrect choice?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
  6:28pm yippie:

I have the Cornell mockingbird sings record on 78
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm dale:

everyone has the hartz mountain 'teach your parakeet to sing' 78
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Handy Haversack:

It's good we have raised "having neighbors" to the same alert level as "there's a tornado." I assume the best course of action in both cases is to open fire. Bagpipe, you nail shut the windows. I'll go get the gun.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Smacky:

This happened in FLORIDA? Huh.
  6:33pm Thurston Howl:

To bad Amazon couldn't deliver to the right house in the first place instead they create a claustrofuck
  6:35pm Richy’s cell phone:

don’t shoot the messenger!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Carmichael:

Good thing we don't have a president who instills fear in the populace.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm ultradamno:

In fairness, some people have invested too much in their guns to not look for any excuse to grab one
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm melinda:

@Handy I'm going to look for a NC one. I love maps.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm PaulRobeson1922:

The surrender of Culture (& autonomy) to technology… Neil Postman saw the implication of
XY&Z
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Hopey Sockmonkey:

They're going to be cutting down on people.
Avatar 🤖 6:37pm Bas NL:

Return of the witch hunt.
  6:37pm wendy del formaggio:

I bought an atlas a few months ago that I keep in my car. It works!
  6:37pm Oliver Brown:

Damn ring cameras
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Handy Haversack:

melinda: www.garmin.com...
Avatar 6:37pm arb:

amen to hating the misuse of 'hacks'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm herb.nyc:

a baker on youtube? is he a masterbaker? (old SNL line)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm ultradamno:

On the subject of annoying and thoughtless buzzphrase, the one that annoys me most is "the definition of insanity is..." heard coming out of election coverage this morning, infuriating. At least people have seemed to have stopped attributing it to Einstein.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm spacecadet:

....wait....what happens when you put the egg in the microwave?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm listener 126464:

I think I like this channel.
  6:41pm ?:

recalling the promo tape for fmu by the star-spangled washboard band: we come into your station .we play some master...tapes..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm ultradamno:

At least the TikTok challenges, like tide pod eating and cooking chicken in robitussin, are clearly bad ideas.
  Swag For Life Member 6:42pm SeaCreature:

I do value this program but when I think back 5(?) years hearing there was gonna be a tech show I remember being super psyched to hear weekly about great tech that was going to help us be more creative.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Rick from SC:

Eggs at low power in the microwave are a staple in my house
Avatar 🤖 6:42pm MarciB:

Seriously? How dumb are people? (oh wait...drinking bleach to cure covid...)
  6:42pm wind:

Love the maniacal 😂 laughter Mark!
  6:43pm wind:

Common sense isn’t common these days
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm paddy in matawan:

So glad we both agree on NO KIDS here.
Avatar 🤖 6:44pm MarciB:

@Wind - you took the words right out of my mouth!
  6:44pm mr 6:

There are real white strawberries
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm PaulRobeson1922:

@SeaCreature: good evening SeaCreature! I’m wondering are you familiar with Rembrandt?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm dale:

saw fractal woodburning. just use a battery charger and a nice damp piece of plywood.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Webhamster Henry:

". Known as Lichtenberg burning, the technique involves applying upwards of 20,000 volts of electricity to electrolyte-soaked wood to create artistic patterns"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Rick from SC:

Here’s to stupid and dangerous
Avatar 🤖 6:46pm Wind:

Right, MarciB 💕
  6:47pm ?:

Dale, i saw that it was so cool!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm listener 126464:

sticking to decoupage
Avatar 6:47pm Rolando:

What ever happened to "Survival of the Fittest?" - "Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory as a way of describing the mechanism of natural selection.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Miss G:

Ha, that's a good example. I knew someone from "Air Pirates." Years of penury.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and skeppers. Yesterday's oxcart paths are tomorrow's overland roads.
Avatar 🤖 6:48pm Wind:

mr6 aren’t they white when they are immature before they turn red?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm paddy in matawan:

People need to learn how to change a tire, not this.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm spacecadet:

10/10 article title.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Rick from SC:

Darwin!
Avatar 🤖 6:49pm Wind:

He Ken
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm dale:

when i was a kid my father set up a small lionel train set, the old one with the transformer with open posts. i'm like 4 and watching the train go round and he gets up to leave and said 'DON'T touch these' meaning the terminal posts. what did i do? got very burned fingers and tossed on my ass crying like a little french girl.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Webhamster Henry:

@Miss G I'm friends with Bobby London...
  Swag For Life Member 6:50pm SeaCreature:

Yes. Rembrandt is cool, tho I’m an audio driven gadget man. Full touchscreen recording studio, the most impactful compositional tool I’ve ever experienced.
Avatar 🤖 6:50pm Wind:

Lol dale! Sorry
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm PaulRobeson1922:

Statically significant? The number of new accidental electrocutions? Attributed to these DIY youtubes?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Handy Haversack:

Jack Vance did it first.
Avatar 🤖 6:51pm Wind:

VR suicide!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm chris in the redwoods:

how dark mirror is *that*?
Avatar 🤖 6:51pm MarciB:

Social Darwinism, I guess. A big part of the problem is the lack of education it seems. I don't have kids so I can't speak to that personally but it seems like this is more and more common - kids growing into adults incapable of using any common sense. It's depressing that so many people are so easily hoodwinked.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Miss G:

Webhamster Henry, well then, you know the story.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Fuzzy:

Thin the herd.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm dale:

wind - i was a dumbass. but he should have 'splained.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm paddy in matawan:

unfortunately thinning of the herd may take you or I with it
  6:52pm ?:

my dad had good salary on his teacher's pay, we had ALL the great toys
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm PaulRobeson1922:

Yea but Darwin wrote we can never apply his findings to human beings or it would kill what makes us human. Empathy and cooperation
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm ultradamno:

There have been so many 'die in the game, you die in real life' premises in movies, it was only a matter of time...
Avatar 🤖 6:53pm Wind:

You were 4!!! not at all dumb just curious
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm herb.nyc:

i'm joking, but i'm not - make sure matt warwick does NOT use this VR headset.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Ken From Hyde Park:

There was a dude in the gym this morning wearing a VR headset while lifting weights. I am not joking.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Will thee Sound Guy:

the fractal woodburning is pretty awesome, but they probably don't cover saftey procedures, and safety equipment to do it safety...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Will thee Sound Guy:

safely
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Handy Haversack:

Blaming the victims is not a useful response. Blame the criminally negligent companies who monetize and encourage ignorance solely to guarantee a little more profit, a little more growth, and a consumer class that can't see its options. Sheesh.

Thanks, Mark. Another crucial show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Webhamster Henry:

Airdrop is peer-to-peer, so sidesteps lots of surveillance.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm PaulRobeson1922:

I like wood burning
  6:55pm roc:

Pervs airdropping their dicks to a whole plane
Avatar 🤖 6:56pm Wind:

Ken that is outrageous and hilarious at the same time!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm dale:

imma stick with spyrograph. nothing too dangerous there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm joe mulligan:

by chance would you consider a completely different show and focus a portion of an episode in the future on the philanthropy these tech billionaires are committing to do? I'm curious about the debate on why tech billionaires get to choose for the public where the philanthropy dollars go
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Miss G:

Thank you Mark. Lots of info to share.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm PaulRobeson1922:

“If you don’t have the support of the Chinese Communist party, you have nothing!” - Mark Hurst 11/17/2022 you heard it here 1st!!!!!!!
  6:57pm ?:

i'm still mucking around with mechanical drawing tools
  6:57pm roc:

Philanthropy is theft from the tax coffers
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm cosmic matrix:

couldn't you just use a cable instead of using airdrop?
Avatar 🤖 6:57pm Wind:

My iPhone is listening to Mark RIGHT NOW!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm cosmic matrix:

like a lightning cable
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Hopey Sockmonkey:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm listener 126464:

Thanks for bringing it, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 6:58pm Wind:

🙏🏾
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm dale:

PROGGGGGGgggggggg..........
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm joe mulligan:

yes @roc!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm paddy in matawan:

Love it, Mark! Cheers!
  6:58pm David in London:

Thanks Mark. I’m off to electrocute myself with some woodcraft.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Ciggy:

I always forget
PROG is next
  6:58pm kevlicki:

Joe, what do you want? More democracy? 😝
Avatar 🤖 6:58pm MarciB:

Best show ever!
  6:58pm roc:

Senator stevens rip buddy
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm dale:

i've seen amateur home wiring and plumbing on youtube that makes you wanna scream.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm joe mulligan:

@kevlicki well put!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Webhamster Henry:

Thanks Mark✸✓
  6:59pm roc:

Wish it was stashu time and not monday
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I'll use the sun and a magnifying glass to create my wood etchings, TYVM! Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Ciggy:

I like silver cymbal
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone, and sorry I couldn't chat during the show!
Avatar 🤖 7:02pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  7:08pm Anna:

Hey! Thx for quoting the Ring article! I’m from montclair and so exciting to hear on WFMU!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:32pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
Avatar 7:20am PolakSlovak:

C'mon Mark, don't you know you can connect with your neighbors on Nextdoor? You don't need to speak in person or introduce yourself, it's all online! 🤦‍♀️
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