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Favoriting October 31, 2022: Nightmares from Silicon Valley

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Today: Nightmares from Silicon Valley. Commercial airlines haunted by a voice that can't be turned off! Homes filled with spy devices feeding predatory trillion-dollar companies! Millions of hospital patients secretly spied on by Mark Zuckerberg! And more.

A mysterious voice is haunting American Airlines’ in-flight announcements and nobody knows how (Andy Baio at Waxy.org, Sep 23, 2022).

Tour Amazon’s dream home, where every appliance is also a spy (by Geoff Fowler in the Washington Post, Oct 12, 2022): “You may not realize all the ways Amazon is watching you. . .”

Senator Questions Zuckerberg About Facebook’s Collection of “Sensitive Health Information” (The Markup, Oct 20, 2022).

No, Elon and Jack are not “competitors.” They’re collaborating. (by Dave Troy, Oct 29, 2022) - thanks to listener Ike for sending:

Q: What does Dorsey mean, “I trust [Musk’s] mission to extend the light of consciousness?”

A: This is a reference to “longtermism,” the heavily marketed philosophy being promoted by Musk and his friend William MacAskill that asserts the only thing that matters is humanity’s future in space, and that the only goal of the living is to maximize the number of future humans alive, as well as the number of artificial intelligence instances that could possibly exist in the future. This mandate is most often used to brush aside calls for improving conditions and alleviating suffering among the living here on Earth now. Because, the theory goes, giving a poor person a blanket isn’t likely to be as useful for the future of humanity as building a rocket to Mars. Longtermism is heavily influenced by “Russian Cosmism” and is also directly adjacent to “Effective Altruism.” Musk’s stated mission, which he intends to fulfill in his lifetime, is to “make humanity a multiplanetary species.” The anti-democratic urge in longtermism is rooted in the belief that “mob rule” will lead to nuclear annihilation; we should, Musk thinks, be guided by “wiser” minds — like his and Putin’s apparently.

[...and later, Troy's conclusion:] "If democracy-minded people don’t seize control of the information environment, powerful sociopathic autocrats will do so instead. We leave a power vacuum open at our peril, and at the moment, Musk and Putin are the ones with the most will to fill it."

They got a Ring doorbell alert, then opened fire on a bystander, police say (Washington Post, Oct 19, 2022)... and Ring Cameras Are Going to Get More People Killed (Oct 24, 2022):
"a Florida man and his teenage son were arrested after allegedly shooting at and nearly killing a woman sitting in her car after receiving a Ring doorbell camera alert. After a neighbor stopped by Gino (73) and Rocky (15) Colonacosta's front door to drop off prescription medication accidentally delivered to the wrong address, the Ring surveillance camera began bombarding their phones with alerts. The pair grabbed .45-caliber handguns, went outside looking for a burglar, and found a woman sitting in her car on her phone. Gino pointed the gun at her and ordered her out of her car, but she escaped in her car believing she was being carjacked. The pair allegedly shot at her seven times, according to police . . ."

Cleveland man with a nature app: (Cleveland.com, Oct 10, 2022):
A nature-identification app on his phone had identified it as an edible mushroom. The 54-year-old beekeeper and amateur naturalist from [the Cleveland area] had grown and picked mushrooms in the past, and regularly enjoyed identifying plants. So he did what he thought was the responsible thing: he used the plant identification app on his phone to determine the species of mushroom.
When the app matched his photos of the backyard mushrooms with an edible species, Hickman collected them, took them home, and sautéed them with onions, garlic and butter. Then he ate them on top of the mushroom tortellini his wife had made for dinner. . . . sometime in the middle of that night roughly eight hours later, Hickman became violently ill with crippling stomach pain, and continuous vomiting and diarrhea.
. . . “I think if I wouldn’t have had my phone, I wouldn’t have picked them. I know I wouldn’t have. There’s no question in my mind,” Hickman said.

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:59pm
listener james from westwood:

Biblically accurate jack-o'-lantern over there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:59pm
Handy Haversack:

This Halloween, terror has a new bit rate.

Hey, Mark, Techtofriends.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonomancers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
StringOFperils:

Eyes in standard drone formation, over mushroom cloud at bottom.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
DanFA:

Mark Hurst? More like Mark Hearse
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Handy Haversack:

"Seven tails ... eyes of flame ... "

"Elon?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
chris in the redwoods:

hi, Mark. i'm afraid of Elan. please protect us.
  6:02pm
Rolando:

Good morning, fellow travellers though this technological landscape (minefield).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ike:

Hi all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, Mark & all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
ultradamno:

Recalling some talk here about how tech companies don't want you to ever delete images from your devices, I noticed after the last major update (about a week ago) my ipad now demands the pass code to get to the folder of recently deleted images where you delete them for real (not to get to the phone, not the saved images, just the recently deleted folder)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and spooks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Franco Twinkie:

I'm already skeerd and nothing has even happened yet!
  6:05pm
tim from washington:

Hi everyone! Hi Mark! I’m ready to have the HECK scared out of me!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Franco Twinkie:

I have that record!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Ciggy:

Ghost stories?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

OR HAS IT?

[Y/N]
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Hallo, Mark! 🎃 🤖
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
StringOFperils:

What is the voice saying? Is it about me?
  6:08pm
tim from washington:

STOP! I’m too scared already! Franco, can you hold my hand?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Franco Twinkie:

If you hold my gland.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Handy Haversack:

Goat stories!
Avatar 6:09pm
herb.nyc:

holy I Bury Paul, Batman!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Franco Twinkie:

Hi Mark!
Avatar 6:09pm
Fredericks:

Sounds like an ill pilot to me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Deano de los Muertos:

This is amazing
  6:09pm
Joe from Staten Island:

this is the scariest thing ive heard all day
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
listener james from westwood:

Or bad White Castle sequelae.
Avatar 6:10pm
herb.nyc:

haha. maybe it's audio from the bathroom.
  6:10pm
Bea:

Omg - so creepy! Twilight zone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
dale:

that wasn't from some folks trying ti get into the mile high club in the toilet?
Avatar 6:10pm
Fredericks:

@6:02 Rolando: Do you mean "Hellscape."
  6:11pm
jan:

That AA flight is terrifying to hear, imagine being in the actual flight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
listener james from westwood:

More like American SCARE-Lines, amirite?
  6:12pm
Jackie G:

that was Liam Neesons for sure
  6:12pm
David in London:

The moans and groans of someone in extreme pain? Presumably those having the Economy Class meals.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
joe mulligan:

It's the souls of the fired executives leaving Twitter!!
Avatar 6:12pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

Could it be more shod from the stoned and drunk Boeing workers in Renton or Everett?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
listener james from westwood:

Neeson, having nobody to punch, began punching himself.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
ultradamno:

I'm sure it's just people bound for trafficking in the lower level
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Handy Haversack:

One temp worker with some coding skillz and some legit grievances can bring down pretty much anything "smart" is I think the takeaway here.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
chresti:

Sounded like cattle or sheep
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Franco Twinkie:

No, Chresti. It sounded like me when anyone even suggests I drive to LAX.
Avatar 6:15pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

I had that record when I was a kid. A woman narrates it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
dale:

i wonder if my roku box is spying on me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
chris in the redwoods:

hey, alexa. does my poo look strange to you?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
listener 126464:

Cat litter robot, too?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
DanFA:

Alexa wants to know if youve been getting enough fiber.
  6:16pm
tim from washington:

I really hope this episode doesn’t end with Station Manager Ken busting into the studio then ripping off his face to reveal that he’s actually Elon Musky.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
PaulRobeson1922:

….
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

PBS exposé on TikTok - www.pbs.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Rich in Washington:

That Disney record scream used to scare the crap out of me as a little kid.
  6:17pm
Jackie G:

didn't hear WFMU on that list. Why not?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
DanFA:

@tim from washington, haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
joe mulligan:

I am pretty afraid of my brother-in-law's smart Toto toilet. yes Rich in WA, scares the crap out of me
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
DanFA:

@KFHP, I just watched that Saturday
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
dale:

alexa terlet: 'your stool is bloody. i have made an appointment for you to get a colonoscopy and i've charged your credit card. you're welcome.'
  6:18pm
dano59:

The Ring is an actual horror film (and the scariest Amazon product, to me)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Ciggy:

Interesting that the article is published by The Washington Post - a Bezos acquisition
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
DanFA:

@dano59, if you log into Ring you die 7 days later.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Rich in Washington:

the whole idea of household appliances listening to and talking to you is straight up Phillip K. Dick.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
ultradamno:

I believe new Twitter has blown the lid off the story that Paul Pelosi attacked himself with a hammer in front of his boyfriend to pass along the Smile demon
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Franco Twinkie:

Can't they get the finger prints off the food the kids throw in the trash?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
chris in the redwoods:

that would also be a HIPAA violation, btw. the healthcare system would be required by federal law to notify every patient whose PHI was shared w/out consent to another party.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
DanFA:

...It's a surveillance nightmare
  6:26pm
Dean:

"Trick or tweet!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
StringOFperils:

Elon's changing it to TWATTER
  6:27pm
yippie:

weisner v google is back in court
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
ultradamno:

Well, now that Kanye has Parler aren't they all over there?
Avatar 6:28pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark & co!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I will call my alternative Tooter and people will post toots.
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MarciB:

Muskrat is a monster - this is all too frightening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
chris in the redwoods:

at least we'd know who tooted, Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Deano de los Muertos:

It’s another…surveillance nightmare
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Handy Haversack:

American democracy *such as it is*. Necessary caveat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
DjLorraine:

If he buys Utube and FB he could call it YouTwittFace
  6:31pm
Dean:

I have a hard time squaring "democracy-minded people" with "seizing control of the information environment." A robust information environment ought to be more than a little messy. I'm all for advocating for norms that render it less messy and less genuinely harmful, but I would err on the side of less rather than more "control."
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
ultradamno:

@Ken, well I think Mastodon isn't using 'toot' anymore (but they did)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark was on it!
  6:31pm
jeanne from NW CT:

Go mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
StringOFperils:

Elon offers political referendums staged on his platform whose results will be presented as "the will of the people" (his words)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
joe mulligan:

he just wants to achieve his goals and beliefs at all costs, regardless of humanity
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
DanFA:

Oh god
Avatar 6:32pm
MarciB:

Bracing myself
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Rich in Washington:

"American Democracy™ ain't just ANY purty smellin' tincutre... It also cured my common-law cousin bride to be's lumbago, and FAST".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
DanFA:

Oh dear
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
DjLorraine:

Oh dear
  6:34pm
Dean:

Is this a New New Age?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
ultradamno:

Is there still a Mastodon at all? I'm getting a "the page you're looking for isn't there" message off my bookmark right now.
  6:34pm
GC in Baltimore:

Longtermism
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
DanFA:

Sounds very new agey/cultish
Avatar 6:35pm
MarciB:

Sounds like the end of "Don't Look Up"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
ultradamno:

OK, got it now. It is now 'publish', no longer 'toot'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
chris in the redwoods:

as your attorney, Mark, i advise no further travel to China. (also important note, i am not an attorney, but i stand by that advice.)
  6:37pm
henry:

does anyone else want this guy to shut up?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Handy Haversack:

Long-termism feels creepily related to Musk's clear desire also to sire as many children as possible.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
joe mulligan:

@henry if you don't pay attention you won't be able to pay attention not so far ahead hahaha
  6:39pm
Dean:

But...there are irrational numbers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
DanFA:

What is with this obsession with being logical and rational? Who do they think they are, Mr. Spock?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Ike:

@henry, you mean Musk? Yes. You mean Mark? No.

This timeslot has always been a talk show! Mon-Thurs. 6 p.m.-7 p.m. ET is always talk! Sheesh.

There's 3 other WFMU streams, too! Here, go here:
www.wfmu.org...
Ya dummy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
StringOFperils:

The Technate's vision. The cult of technocracy. Distorted Darwinism. Reductio ad absurdum
  6:41pm
Jackie G:

nothing like a spooky story to scare the dickens out of you on Halloween,
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
joe mulligan:

earthlings are the weaklings of the past... the Mesopotamia of suffering losers
  6:41pm
Dean:

If this is true -- "The anti-democratic urge in longtermism is rooted in the belief that 'mob rule' will lead to [something bad]" -- then this aspect of longtermism shares a principle with Madison, does it not?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Handy Haversack:

Gotta go start chopping things. Great show once again, Mark. Thanks for doing it. The cries of nightmare, sounding through the howling wilderness, to warn us of the monsters in their lairs ...

Many thanks!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ultradamno:

Musk's whole scheme seems to involve monetizing blue checkmarks...precious, precious blue check marks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Handy:
Carrots, yes
Fingers, no
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
DanFA:

I guess he never read Martian Chronicles.
  6:43pm
Jackie G:

oh boy oh boy oh boy. Is there candy too?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Be very scared when Mark announces “the best part”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
chris in the redwoods:

hahaha
  6:44pm
Dean:

Ray Bradbury signed my copy of The Martian Chronicles.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
StringOFperils:

The miracle of trans-substantiation into the cloud, so I can go on binge-watching TV forever
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Ike:

Oh wait, is it really going towards uploading ourselves into the cloud? I didn't know that was part of it. Wow. But then, as in Charles Stross's fiction, people will start duplicating themselves like crazy, billions of just one person, so we'll need to deconstruct whole planets for the material to create enough hard drives for everyone...
  6:44pm
Ballpark Frank:

I got this cranked up and scaring the heck out of the trick or treaters! 🎃
  6:45pm
Jackie G:

c'mon. if you haven't pledged to techtonic, what are you waiting for? Times awastin"
  6:46pm
Rolando:

Loving today’s show Mark! Where will we find rest?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
DanFA:

That's it, I'm moving to the woods.
  6:46pm
Chad W:

This is literally the plot of the video game Horizon: Forbidden West.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
chresti:

Wow
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
DanFA:

Sorry poor people, no food for you. Suck it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
chris in the redwoods:

not safe here, either, DanFA.
  6:46pm
Jackie G:

Eddie m Haskel? Wally's friend?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
StringOFperils:

I thought you were going to say the blanket was less useful than kicking the person.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Whoas
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Deano de los Muertos:

I would have bet money the mission statement was going to be “Make humanity…pay!”
  6:48pm
Jackie G:

oh Willian, not Eddie
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
chresti:

How bout Musk and all his future headlights buddies take a rocket ship to THEIR anuses?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1922:

They r on uppers
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
StringOFperils:

They have the right vehicle design, chresti!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
Erin in TO:

I wish I could call Mark crazy on this, but I've heard these views for years from a friend who considers himself "rational"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
ultradamno:

CHUCKY!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Aitch:

A bit peckish for some Soylent Green
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
DanFA:

I love my weirdo island of misfit toys community!
Avatar 6:53pm
herb.nyc:

dogs? cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. sorry, my 7th grade english class just came to me.

i hellpledged last week during joe mcgasko's show, and clicked this show as a "wuv".

a friend's son went to twitter on a class trip. let me find what he said. it wasn't good. (next wk)
  6:53pm
Jackie G:

Mark is the best. C'mon, pledge. Show your support.
  6:53pm
Dean:

Fortunately, no amount of obscene wealth can counter inertia.
Avatar 6:54pm
Fredericks:

@6:37henry: Who's "this guy?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
DanFA:

I cancelled my streaming service subscription so I could give to WFMU.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
chresti:

TEN BUCKS!
  6:55pm
William Swan, Jr.:

When the human race is mature enough, extraterrestrial aliens will introduce themselves without us going anywhere.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
DanFA:

@Fredericks, just a troll
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
admiral crisp:

just pledged, better late than never
  6:55pm
Jackie G:

oh yeah, prog show next!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Folsom:

Sabine Hossenfelder had a show about longtermism
Avatar 6:56pm
Annette:

Thank you Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Thanks Mark! PLEDGE PLEDGE PLEDGE!
  6:56pm
Rolando:

Thanks for another great show Mark, you have a good heart my fine friend.
Avatar 6:56pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark. involuntary evacuation completed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
joe mulligan:

Thanks Mark!! and @Henry don't be a stranger, come back with a developed argument
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
DanFA:

Maybe progressive metal?
  6:58pm
Dean:

A 2-year-old baritone?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
dale:

was gwar on the plane?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Huanting
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Deano de los Muertos:

Minor Annoyance at 30,000 Ft
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
DanFA:

I'm glad that I always fall asleep whenever I fly
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
dale:

someone needs a feen-a-mint.
  7:00pm
Rolando:

That voice on the airline reminds me of the The Machine Stops, no-one knows how it works or how to turn it off.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
ultradamno:

Is this Hanatarash?
Avatar 7:02pm
Jeff Moore:

Why yes, it *is* extremely irritating!
Avatar 8:08pm
heatherita:

Yes, Elon Musk is plotting world destruction together with Xi Zinping and Vlad Putin and the other bros, and then they'll all escape together to mars with hammers in their underwear. Or maybe you are just mad because he's in charge of Twitter now and he's got a Trump card to play?
  Swag For Life Member 9:28pm
lavrami:

nymag.com...
  12:16am
paul orsilllo:

coincidental the same day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_M64BSzcRY
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:39am
Greg from ZONE 5:

This was great, Mark. And thanks for reminding us that FMU has importance beyond just music.
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