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Favoriting September 26, 2022: Subways and surveillance - with Christopher Robbins from Hell Gate

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Today: Subways and surveillance - with Christopher Robbins from Hell Gate

In New York City, MetroCards are being phased out in favor of a smartphone-scanning system called OMNY, which tracks the identity, location, and travel habits of every passenger of New York's subways and buses. Christopher Robbins from Hell Gate discusses his "privacy guide to OMNY" - and why we should be skeptical about subway surveillance.

Christopher Robbins at Hell Gate

A Basic Privacy Guide to OMNY, the MTA’s MetroCard Replacement (by Christopher Robbins in Hell Gate, Sep 9, 2022): “Welcome to the PanOMNYcon.”

New York City Subway System to Install Security Cameras in Train Cars (NYT, Sep 20, 2022): “Gov. Kathy Hochul said Tuesday that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority would install two security cameras on every car to lure back people frightened of crime . . . ‘You think Big Brother is watching you on the subway?’ Gov. Kathy Hochul said at a news conference in a Queens subway yard. ‘You’re absolutely right. That is our intent: to get the message out that we’re going to be having surveillance of activity on the subway trains, and that’s going to give people great ease of mind.’”

Press conference at the MTA Corona Maintenance Facility with Gov. Kathy Hochul (Sep 20, 2022)

Morgan Stanley Allows Its Clients’ Social Security Numbers to Get Auctioned on Hard Drives (Wall Street on Parade, Sep 21, 2022): "That’s pretty astonishing in itself: Being lectured on the competent handling of personal client information by someone buying hardware at an online auction site when you are a Global Systemically Important Bank with $1.17 trillion in assets and more than a century of existence. According to the SEC, the “vast majority of the hard drives from the 2016 Data Center Decommissioning remain missing” and in July 2020 Morgan Stanley Smith Barney had to notify “approximately 15 million impacted customers” that their personal data might be floating around out there – unencrypted."

A Dad Took Photos of His Naked Toddler for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal. (by Kashmir Hill, NYT, Aug 21, 2022): “After setting up a Gmail account in the mid-aughts, Mark, who is in his 40s, came to rely heavily on Google. He synced appointments with his wife on Google Calendar. His Android smartphone camera backed up his photos and videos to the Google cloud. He even had a phone plan with Google Fi.”

“Two days after taking the photos of his son, Mark’s phone made a blooping notification noise: His account had been disabled because of ‘harmful content’ that was ‘a severe violation of Google’s policies and might be illegal.’ A ‘learn more’ link led to a list of possible reasons, including ‘child sexual abuse & exploitation.’”

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
DanFA:

Hello Mark et all.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm
ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonneranean Spies!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark and all the Surveilled Straphangers. Hello!
  6:01pm
Robm:

Hello fellow techies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark! Is tonight's comments board contest to find the best acronym for OMNY?
Avatar 6:02pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicases!
  6:02pm
wind:

🖐🏽🖐🏾
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends! Ready to add "Stop takeing The Subway" to Mark's outro?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
DanFA:

@KFHP- yes
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Franco Twinkie:

Hello!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
ultradamno:

Don't sleep on the subway baby...there'll be footage
  6:03pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
melinda:

hi everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
chris in the redwoods:

hi, Mark and fellow surveilled ones.
Avatar 6:04pm
Miss G:

Thanks to all. .really curious about . . .what/anything to do? CV Dazzle? (I always say this and it's like 20 years old)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
MyAcademy:

Ughhhh, 2 cameras per car. And they might even work?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Webhamster Henry:

This show is a chance to do an alternate lyrics version of "Don't Sleep in the Subway"
  Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
SeaCreature:

Gettin’ my paranoia on!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
DanFA:

If you can make surveillance possible in New York, you can make it anywhere.
Avatar 6:05pm
MarciB:

Hello fellow Tectonics. When I heard about the surveillance - Hochul saying how much "safer" we'll all be - I hoped that Mark would jump on it. And here we are!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
DjLorraine:

Will he bring a honey pot?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Webhamster Henry:

Safety comes from a supportive social network, not all-seeing, super discretionary enforcement.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
ultradamno:

By the way, if I can mention a low tech example of hostile urban infrastructure, anti-homeless architecture bigissue.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Handy Haversack:

And, as I learned only after two years of going to WFMU to volunteer, Metrocards also get you on the PATH.
  6:07pm
Winnie the Pooh:

It is more fun to talk with someone who doesn’t use long, difficult words but rather short, easy words like, ‘Hey, Google?’
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Webhamster Henry:

Is there going to be a non phone thing for those without phones? that is, some kind of RFID card or what?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
chris in the redwoods:

i really liked being able to give a metro card with value left on it to a pan handler on the way out of the city. gonna miss that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
DanFA:

@DJLorraine, oh bother
  6:08pm
Rolando:

Webhamster Henry ++ safety comes from good friends
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Mennlinn Rebarts:

Omni Consumer Products
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
chris in the redwoods:

yes, Webham. i think everything short of a DNA sample is needed to get one, though.
  6:09pm
lazy pierogi:

WHH, i believe that is the solution. however IIRC the cards will be for purchase at drug stores rather than in the subway station :/
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
dale:

cashless tolling on all the bridges and thruway is surveillance too. bastards.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
PaulRobeson1922:

Gasp
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Lazy Pierogi back when I lived in Vienna, the transit tickets could be bought an any of the local shops. I don't know what their transit is like today.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone, thanks for joining!
  6:11pm
yippie:

I like using the single ride cards
  Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
SeaCreature:

In two months we break ground on Delta City
  6:11pm
yippie:

they are easier to rip
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

@dale - Yeah, I put my visor down and hold my hand over my face when I go through the tolls now.
Also, went to a car wash the other day and they had a Ring doorbell surveillance camera set up at the pay kiosk.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Handy Haversack:

I assume other NYCers also get a credit card with money on it that comes out of their pay checks pretax. It's going to be such a pain in the ass to file for reimbursement on those every time they're denied at the stores that sell the OMNY cards.

A tax on your time to avoid surveillance. Because NYCers have so much free time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Webhamster Henry:

BTW, Ulster County's buss system will be free to ride starting Oct 1st.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
dale:

seacreature - and that means drugs and prostitution and...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Handy Haversack:

SINGLE RIDES ONLY AT THIS TIME

... oh.
  Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
SeaCreature:

Replacement parts! who cares if the damned thing works
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herb.nyc:

Hola. I love AND hate the mta. This episode will be delicious. Thx

I got my first metrocard in 1998. $67 (?) for 30days unlimited use. Now it’s $135 (?).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

@Handy uh oh - where is it saying single rides only?
  6:14pm
Sam:

There will always be tons of New Yorkers without phones or credit cards. You can’t possibly require those to ride public transit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark -- on the machines at Vernon Jackson seemingly every time I need to fill up my Metrocard!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

@Handy ahh - frustrating
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
dale:

ken from hp - i put on groucho glasses.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

(Christopher Robbins GIF) I wonder if anyone makes 5-1/4" floppy drives that connect to USB ports.
  6:15pm
Rolando:

Sadly Sydney if full of this stuff
  6:15pm
lazy pierogi:

bentham would be proud
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Webhamster Henry:

BTW, with the Metrocards, the police can do a kind of primitive tracking on it . It would know when a particular card was swiped at a station, and the pattern of entrances, correlated with ground truth and possible charge card info, in certain cases would be used to know when a specific person entered the system.
  6:15pm
Sam:

Tap to pay is great. Just make it anonymous.
  6:16pm
Listener Robert:

18 hours saved in a day??!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
chris in the redwoods:

i think that was people time across the whole system, L Robert.
  6:17pm
Sam:

What if your phone has no battery? What a stupid system. I will never use this.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Blobs:

@Mark - What do you envision as an alternative to the seemingly inevitable infiltration of CBDCs and deeper, darker state financial surveillance in the future?? I know your feelings on Bitcoin at this point :)... But I see no other viable option. Thanks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Webhamster Henry:

@KenfromHydePark There are adapters! There's also the other direction: "floppies drive" replacements that you can plug 128G thumb drives into.
  6:18pm
Rolando:

Pay by cash and you get relegated to th ultra ultra slow lane, just like large supermarkets
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
DanFA:

What if hackers attack the OMNY system or their credit cards malfunction due to the chip?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Ooh ooh, I'm so glad this interview is happening! Also, sorry to be late. I was outside looking at the rainbow. Hooray for late-afternoon rainstorms. <3
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi @Wendy!
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melinda:

This is a terrible development
  6:20pm
Robm:

Well i am never going into the city again
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry:

If you all remember, the MTA was way late implementing Metrocards...
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Cool! Thanks, WH. I probably would've found the answer quickly by a web search but where's the joy in that?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Handy Haversack:

What about the tourists? MTA must make most of its margin off of tourists who leave money on Metrocards. What are they supposed to use?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
dale:

i'm sure they share data with the nypd.
  6:21pm
Alex from BK:

You can do tap to pay without apps or phones. Boston had a tap to pay card years ago that doesn't require registration. Speed with anonymity
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Hi @Mark!
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SeaCreature:

Assuming my mask is never, ever coming off on the subway why am I caring about a photo, if I’m not signing up
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stu564t9:

@dale 1000%
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
ultradamno:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but back to tokens! If only to make The Warriors make more sense to new viewers
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Handy Haversack:

.. to the extent the MTA has a margin given that they consistently screw their budget despite having a total monopoly.

We're arguing over the wrong things here, though. The point is not to find a better way of letting people pay a private company for a necessary service. The point is to make transportation and right and a utility and make it free for all who need it. THAT's the only fight worth winning here. The rest is just finger-in-the-dike stuff.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
dale:

every time you say the guest's name i want to hear kenny loggins' house at pooh corner.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

Sheesh. In the Medical Trials world, every element of identity recording is on a need-to-know basis.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry:

They should make the same arguments that pop up on cookie disclaimers.
  6:26pm
Sam:

Think how many times people will drop their phones while scanning them. Or have their phones stolen. My phone stays in my pocket.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

@Ultradamno: YES! Also because I can't tell you the number of times when I lived in NYC my unlimited-fare metrocard wouldn't scan at the turnstile, and then after multiple tries, it told me I'd already used it and couldn't get through. When there were actual MTA staff in the "token" booths, they'd just wave me through. But, now that they've removed almost all staff from the subways...I guess we're just jumping turnstiles now. Not a safe choice for anyone, esp. those disabled or BIPOC. I guess when I visit NYC next time, I'll just...uh...not take the subway.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
chris in the redwoods:

hmm, also... privacy as a human right would be pretty neato, Handy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I totally agree with Handy. Public transport should be free at the point of service. THAT'S how to make it equitable and accessible. TAX THE RICH.
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MarciB:

This is frightening. Thanks to the pandy there are so many more bikers, e-scooters etc. about - I imagine this will prompt more folks to avoid the train if they can
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Feh! Instead of the subway, I'll summon an Uber the next time I visit. Wait, what?
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MarciB:

@Wendy- yes!!! 👍
  6:28pm
Marie:

Is it known in fact what the MTA and Omni will do with the data? There should be a nationwide law to force disclosure of where all companies sell our data
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
chris in the redwoods:

Handy and Wendy, you are correct, of course. Hear hear.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Handy Haversack:

Tax-and-eat is my economic paradigm, Wendy!
  6:29pm
Sam:

They can already see all the metrocard swipes.
  6:29pm
Marie:

And that info should be easily accessible and readable
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

If OMNY didn't cover buses, I'd say, "Take the bus!" but... sigh... Seriously, it makes me question whether I will visit NYC again if it's so damn hard -- and creepy -- to get around. One of the perks of NYC is how easy it usually is to get places. Fuck this shit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
maestroso:

Totally glitchy stream right now. I'm hearing weird synth music instead of the interview. Anyone else?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Marie when we are invaded by Denmark - and we surrender - we'll be in the EU and GDPR on our side. And : Universal Health care!
  6:30pm
Sam:

They can’t make you have a phone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

@Chris in the redwoods: Solidarity!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Handy Haversack:

maestroso: all good here. You sure you're not on one of the other streams?
  6:30pm
Marie:

Oh would that were, WH! @)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

@maestroso it's fine for me, constant streamer!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
chris in the redwoods:

very clear here, meastroso.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
ultradamno:

It does seem like a lot of tech bros heard the part of revelations about how it would be impossible to buy or sell without the mark and thought "brilliant!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I'm giving a shout-out to HellGateNYC. As a former NYC resident, I effin' love that online paper. Everyone should subscribe!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Handy Haversack:

Word, Wendy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
maestroso:

Ok, thanks for the replies. Sounds like involuntary stream jumping I guess.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Webhamster Henry:

You know the capitalistic mantra "the price is what the market will bear?" there's an equivalent in amounts of privacy, which is constantly being tested.
  6:33pm
Sam:

The inflection point should have been the first day you went on the internet and saw how shitty it all was.
Avatar 6:33pm
Miss G:

*L* because I don't allow cookies, my ads get more and more disgusting. But they won't break me!
  6:33pm
Marie:

I'm with you Wendy--fuck this shit @)))
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
dale:

i'd also like to know why i living in the mt. hope transmitter region have to pay mta surcharges on my vehicle registrations and phone bill. i get zero benefit from that 'tax.'
  6:35pm
Rolando:

Douglas Rushkoff explains this very well, first we Builth the roads, and then the city gets build by design around the roads, so you have to buy a car or a phone to SURVIVE!!!
  6:35pm
wind:

Great interview!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
dale:

they used to put that line item on your renewal notice but don't bother anymore.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Webhamster Henry:

The trick with ads is -- they are going to serve them, so use Duck Duck, but do FUNNY SEARCHES with Google and you'll get hilarious wrong ads served to you AND SCREW UP THEIR STATISTICS.
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Miss G:

Since living in Richmond, I have learned so much about daily inconveniences that my neighbors have to deal with, that I had never even heard of. So now, it will be, that someone I know will never have to deal with being contacted by the police because their image was seen, but many others will, because the AI is so stupid about people with their skin color etc.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Handy Haversack:

I just don't allow ads. I haven't seen an ad on the internet in I don't know how long.

Add-ons:

uBlock Origin
DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials
HTTPS Everywhere
Privacy Badger
DecentralEyes
ClearURLs
Cookie AutoDelete
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Niall:

Been a long time since NYC was relevant to me, but it's good (I guess?) to hear what's going on in the old home.
  Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
SeaCreature:

Great interview. Hellgate is killing it. As a journalist I hope they survive
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
Webhamster Henry:

Even when I lived there, I mostly walked places (but I couldn't walk to WFMU ... )
  6:38pm
Rolando:

Australia is just the same. !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

@Handy: Thank you for that list! I copied and pasted it to an OpenOffice text doc so I can refer to it later.
Avatar 6:38pm
Miss G:

Webhamster Henry, yes, I like to do that. I have many TV stations that are streaming, and they know everything about me, but just to make my tiny attempt at resistance, I put sports on, or cooking, or etc.
  6:38pm
wind:

WFMU never had an office in nyc?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Handy Haversack:

Yes, the OMNY Retail location search, for which you need to provide a location in Google maps search, shows one place in my neighborhood -- the CVS. Already a nightmare experience of hopelessness and muted rage.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
_Ike_:

@WebHam@6:35, YES, I try to regularly remember to search for lumberjack supplies and chainsaw polish, ha ha ha ha
Avatar 6:40pm
Miss G:

You can get little envelopes for your credit cards /passport that prevent scanning.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
melinda:

I strategically put some foil on my wallet, not sure if it works. Tin foil hats for everything!
  6:40pm
Sam:

There needs to be a lawsuit about all this. It’s clear discrimination against people without credit cards and phones. And scanning your card just because you’re in proximity has to be illegal too!
  6:40pm
?:

My last job required a face scan to punch in and out. I felt very violated.
  6:40pm
ledzeppelinsucks:

TSA market and oversold Pre Check, now they don't offer it at many airports so they don't get complaints. $85.00, interview and Federal background check for no service.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
melinda:

@Sam that's what I was thinking too
  6:40pm
Marie:

I use duckduckgo and erase my history constantly .... but I still use google mail (insert shame emoji here). Yes, Handy, thanks for that list. I'm gonna check those things out. Also, Handy, I love your description of the experience at CVS--right on!
  6:41pm
Sam:

Mark they didn’t say the photo had to be of your FACE
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

YES! A Mark rant! DO IT!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Richy4619:

Mark Hurst is the truth.
Avatar 6:42pm
Miss G:

"Brazil" Terry Gilliam
  Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
SeaCreature:

Oh man, don’t stroke out
  6:42pm
?:

it started with a fingerprint scan and that became normalized…
  6:42pm
eva:

No way!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
melinda:

If they already had everything they wouldn't keep asking for more.
  6:42pm
Marie:

I have to get out before the sun sets (chained to desk all day)--TTYL. Thanks, Mark! I'll tune into the archive for the rant
  6:42pm
Sam:

Why isn’t Eric Adams making the subway free?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
dale:

careful mark - like howard beale you may be offed by big tech on live radio!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
_Ike_:

@wind@6:38, always been NJ. Jersey City now. FMU has never had the cash to live in NYC.
  6:42pm
eva:

@melinda good point!
  6:42pm
roc:

Get an ezpay express metrocard and use that until all the card readers break.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
melinda:

Resist!
  6:43pm
?:

Employers also expect you to be available by text or email at all hours now
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stu564t9:

I will be sad a sad day when all metrocards go away :(
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

Vegan RFID-blocking wallets: www.corkor.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I also want to point out that this obsession -- nay, fetish -- for "efficiency" is one of the things that's killing us.
  6:44pm
Rolando:

It’s hard to be efficient / effective when your job depends on being inefficient . Same with privacy.
  6:46pm
wind:

Thanks _Ike_
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

ARGH!!! This is not the way to reduce crime! Meeting people's basic needs = reducing crime. Fuck you, Madame Governor.
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MarciB:

This show reminds me of Robert Reich's latest newsletter on Russia + China's survellience systems - how they have become normalized - but how bossware and surveillance here isn't really being discussed. Big brother USA indeed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
melinda:

@Wendy so true
  6:46pm
Jackie G:

Not to worry. Those cameras will break or be vandalized very soon after installation.
  6:47pm
?:

It’s interesting that NYC was able to ban cash-free stores and restaurants.
  6:47pm
lazy pierogi:

OY
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Handy Haversack:

karlward linked to a book with a chapter about subways that shows the best way to make subways safer is to make them free.
  6:47pm
SlantyCaus:

I hope criminals don't think of putting on ski masks.
  6:47pm
Sam:

What if you’re drinking a beer on the subway. Will they come after you for that? What about kids selling candy bars and stuff?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Handy Haversack:

@?: Not at Yankee Stadium!
  Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
SeaCreature:

Again: now that we know what we know, why would you get on MTA without a mask?
  6:47pm
Rolando:

What you guys don’t have cameras on trains? Australian has cameras on every train car. Oz is a social experiment!!
  6:47pm
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right on @handy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
chresti:

www.eff.org also has the wallets @Handy
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
ultradamno:

I know I feel less anxious when I feel eyes over my shoulder
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karlward:

Handy, that book is Against Security by Harvey Molotch: press.princeton.edu...
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Handy Haversack:

karlward @9:10: "Harvey Molotch's great book Against Security spends a chapter talking about how so-called security against fare evasion makes the subways much less safe. If you want a safer subway, make the subway free. press.princeton.edu... "
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Niall:

Man, this is some "End of Violence" shit.
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yippie:

New York City made a law that mandates businesses accept cash payments instead of credit cards, but I guess they don't want to apply it to the MTA
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Sam:

Like the cameras are going to stop mentally ill people on bath salts
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_Ike_:

@SeaC, never. Never without a mask. Ever. Ever ever ever. Keeps out steel brake dust too!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Ooh! Thanks, @Karlward!
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stu564t9:

Who's gonna watch all those camera feeds and ensure this increase in 'safety'?
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@yippie That’s correct, right before covid broke out
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rsj:

Loved the Mumford laden interview last week. Amazed I did not know about those ideas
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Sam:

Her pride in imitating a notorious dystopia is what’s so chilling. I’ve lost all respect for her just for that. It wasn’t an error, it was honest.
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Handy Haversack:

chresti: leather. No can do.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

@Sam: Please don't attribute violent crime to people with mental illnesses as a broad statement. Folks with mental illness (I am one of them) are more likely to be victims of violent crimes than we are to commit them.
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It’s the massive budget they want to justify. it doesn’t matter that it’s just theater of security
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dale:

ten people get shot in nyc over the weekend and eric adams is in the dominican republic surveying damage. wtf?
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rsj:

Love Adam’s leaving empty cop cars all over to control speeding. Think that is more on point version of big bro
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_Ike_:

On top of Wendy's point, why are "bath salts" being sold? Something something unregulated late-stage capitalism. And why are people taking them? Self-medicating when they can't get their real meds that are probably too expensive, I'm betting.
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chris in the redwoods:

plus he had an android phone, so it was locked, as i recall...
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dale:

wendy - the metally ill and homeless are ignored while refugees bussed up from texas and florida get hotel rooms and debit cards. it's all messed up.
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MarciB:

This is why I tell my clients to back up their photos on an external hard drive and not use Google Photos, Amazon Photos etc.
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ultradamno:

Talk of bath salts are making me nostalgic, I didn't know that was still a thing...
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stu564t9:

Back up photos the old fashioned way. Google makes it difficult to export photos .
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark and Christopher. Keep fighting!
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hoeg:

ouch my entire google presence!
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ultradamno:

Twitter isn't selling your info, they're just employing foreign agents that steal them, apparently
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Wendy del Formaggio:

@Dale: I hope your statement wasn't suggesting (or outright saying) that refugees are getting something special they don't deserve. It kinda reads like that. Maybe I'm misreading it.
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A lot of this is work-related pressure to use g00gle products, too, not entirely personal choice
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Miss G:

Thank you Mark, and Christopher Robbins
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melinda:

thanks Mark!
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Richy4619:

Keep up the good fight, everyone
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David in London:

Righteous. Thanks Mark.
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stu564t9:

Thank you Mark!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Thanks, Mark!
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chris in the redwoods:

thanks, Mark!
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Handy Haversack:

Fantastic, Mark. Crucial.

If they won't listen? SHUT IT DOWN

Be well, all.
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Bas NL:

Hear, hear! Thanks Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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hoeg:

santé monsieur
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Blobs:

Bravo, @Mark... Thank you
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herb.nyc:

Very very well said. Thank you.
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Annette:

Thank you Mark!
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Webhamster Henry:

Well, one more issue to work on. Thanks Mark.
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Good comments this evening.
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dale:

not saying that wendy. saying resources could be prioritized.
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