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Options September 5, 2022: Workplace surveillance: a very Techtonic Labor Day

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Today: Workplace surveillance: a very Techtonic Labor Day

The Rise of the Worker Productivity Score (NYT, Aug 14, 2022): “Radiologists see scoreboards showing their ‘inactivity’ time and how their productivity stacks up against their colleagues’. At companies including J.P. Morgan, tracking how employees spend their days, from making phone calls to composing emails, has become routine practice. . . . At UnitedHealth Group, low keyboard activity can affect compensation and sap bonuses. Public servants are tracked, too: In June, New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority told engineers and other employees they could work remotely one day a week if they agreed to full-time productivity monitoring.”

“Architects, academic administrators, doctors, nursing home workers and lawyers described growing electronic surveillance over every minute of their workday. They echoed complaints that employees in many lower-paid positions have voiced for years: that their jobs are relentless, that they don’t have control — and in some cases, that they don’t even have enough time to use the bathroom. In interviews and in hundreds of written submissions to The Times, white-collar workers described being tracked as ‘demoralizing,’ ‘humiliating,’ and ‘toxic.’ Micromanagement is becoming standard, they said.”

[Even a hospice chaplain is included...] “Ms. Richardson and her colleagues had to project how many ‘productivity points’ they would accumulate during the day’s work. But death defied planning.”

Here Are the Orwellian Details of the U.S. Patent JPMorgan Got Approved for Its Sprawling System of Spying on Employees (by Pam Martens and Russ Martens in Wall Street on Parade, July 8, 2022): “In 2018, Bloomberg reporters Peter Waldman, Lizette Chapman, and Jordan Robertson published a stunning expose on how JPMorgan Chase was spying on its employees, including after hours, using as many as 120 engineers from the data mining company Palantir Technologies Inc. According to the Bloomberg report, ‘It all ended when the bank’s senior executives learned that they, too, were being watched, and what began as a promising marriage of masters of big data and global finance descended into a spying scandal.’”

“But the surveillance program did not end. The bank simply developed its own proprietary spying system instead. Business Insider reporter, Reed Alexander, has reignited the scandal with the news that the internal surveillance program at JPMorgan Chase is now called ‘Workforce Activity Data Utility’ or WADU. According to Business Insider, the surveillance is fostering paranoia inside the bank with employees using the term ‘Big Brother’ and ‘1984,’ a reference to the George Orwell book.”

Workplace surveillance is coming for you (Cory Doctorow, Aug 21, 2022): “The point of the [Pooey] Technology Adoption Curve is to normalize technological oppression, one group at a time. 20 years ago, if you were eating your dinner under the unblinking eye of a video-camera, it was because you were in a supermax prison. Now, thanks to ‘luxury surveillance’ [coined by past Techtonic guest Chris Gilliard], you can get the same experience in your middle-class home with your Google, Apple or Amazon ‘smart’ camera. Those cameras climbed the curve, going from prisons to schools to workplaces to homes.”

“The pandemic was a great accelerant for late-stage capitalism, converting our homes to rent-free annexes of our employers’ facilities, and turning ‘work from home’ into ‘live at work.’ Bossware, a fringe technological category, experienced a massive boom, rocketing up the privilege gradient. . . . when lockdown turned high-status white collar workers into home-workers, their bosses rolled out incredibly invasive spyware, including tools that watched them through their cameras, listened to their microphones, logged their keystrokes, scoured their hard-drives and read their text messages.”

... and then Doctorow gives this aside about Microsoft ...

“Office 365 went from being an online version of Microsoft Office to being a bossware delivery-system. The Office 365 sales-pitch focuses on fine-grained employee tracking and comparison, so bosses can rank their workers’ performance against each other. But beyond this automated gladiatorial keystroke combat, Offce 365’s analytics will tell you how your company performs against other companies.”

“That’s right – Microsoft will spy on your competitors and sell you access to their metrics. It’s wild, but purchasing managers who hear this pitch seem completely oblivious to the implication of this: that Microsoft will also spy on you and deliver your metrics to your competitors.”

“Even wilder is the further implication: that Microsoft might use the data its product gathers on your business – every keystroke made by every worker in the entire company! – to compete with you.”

Striking Seattle Workers Win Against Surveillance Cameras in Vehicles (Joseph Cox in Vice, Aug 26, 2022): “Sandwich company Homegrown put artificial intelligence powered cameras in drivers’ vehicles. Now drivers will be allowed to cover them. . . . Earlier this month, Homegrown drivers entered their vehicles to find 4-inch cameras made by a company called Foresight Analytics that tracked their eye movements, listened in with microphones, and used facial recognition technology, the Seattle Times reported at the time.”



EFF on Twitter (Sep 1, 2022): “You’ve never heard of Fog Data Science, but you should have. It’s the company turning your cell phone’s geolocation data into one of the most disturbing and wide-reaching surveillance systems ever used by police in the U.S. Read our investigation here.” (From the linked article: “Exposed to the light of day, Fog’s product becomes clear: an all-seeing eye that invades millions of Americans’ privacy without warrant or accountability.”)

A Dad Took Photos of His Naked Toddler for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal. (by Kashmir Hill, NYT, Aug 21, 2022): “After setting up a Gmail account in the mid-aughts, Mark, who is in his 40s, came to rely heavily on Google. He synced appointments with his wife on Google Calendar. His Android smartphone camera backed up his photos and videos to the Google cloud. He even had a phone plan with Google Fi.”

“Two days after taking the photos of his son, Mark’s phone made a blooping notification noise: His account had been disabled because of ‘harmful content’ that was ‘a severe violation of Google’s policies and might be illegal.’ A ‘learn more’ link led to a list of possible reasons, including ‘child sexual abuse & exploitation.’”

An Apple Watch for Your 5-Year-Old? More Parents Say Yes. (NYT, Sep 1, 2022): “As Apple prepares to unveil new models next week, the smart watch has found an unexpected audience: children as young as 5 . . . Apple has deliberately turned the watch into a device that can be attractive for children and their parents. In 2020, the company released the Apple Watch SE, which had fewer features than a premium model and was priced $120 cheaper. Apple also introduced Family Setup, software that let parents track their children’s locations, manage their contacts list and limit their notifications.”

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 5:59pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtoletariat!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm DanFA:

Hello Mark and fellow Techtonicholics
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Well, hello there, everyone!
  6:01pm Rolando:

Ok lets go …
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm DanFA:

Great show last week. I need to know where you found that bad neighbor audio from.
  6:03pm tim from washington:

Hi Mark! Fellow Techrockers!
  6:03pm Deano de los Muertos:

Hey Mark, everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Techtonic up, productivity down.
  6:04pm Henning:

I have listened to every show so far… all via podcast. So this is the first time live via FM. Woohoo!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Franco Twinkie:

Spite and envy has always existed in the workplace, but now it's been supercharged it seems.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all radio-friendly unit shifters!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark: scary tales of Amazon monitoring just make you want to unionize immediately.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm DjLorraine:

Good evening techtonic uplifters
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm ultradamno:

"...in America people are trying to avoid going to work at all."
-Elon Musk
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm DanFA:

@listener james, is that a Nirvana reference?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm PaulRobeson1922:

Warm Greetings, one & all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm dale:

you're soaking in it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm listener james from westwood:

@DanFA: Yup!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Franco Twinkie:

Madge!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Wendy del Formaggio:

I'm working right now, in fact! Except it's volunteer work. I'm editing events in my community radio station's online events bulletin board that program hosts and the public use to learn about local events. It's a labor of love! <3
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm listener james from westwood:

"You're soaking in it!"
  6:06pm N'Lo:

You’re soaking in it!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Wendy del Formaggio:

MADGE!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm chresti:

Hi Mark! Hi lobster hands!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm ultradamno:

Visual illustration twitter.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm listener james from westwood:

(Woman removes hand from "Palmolive," to reveal dissolved flesh, slick bone)
  6:07pm De Fenestrated:

"softens hands while you do dishes."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm DanFA:

Where's the beef?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm coelacanth∅:

the customer knew they were soaking in something but didn't know it was dishwashing liquid.
  6:08pm Ciggy:

Good Ole Madge
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm DjLorraine:

Surfactants enter the skin tho...right?
  6:08pm DoberBoy:

1970s wisdom.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm dale:

jan minor was madge the manicurist. i designed the exhibits for a shareholder meeting at the hyatt in nyc and met her and pat morita, mr. wisdom tooth aka the second arnold of happy days.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Wretch:

TV commercials never lied to me!
  6:08pm jan:

The Palmolive campaign was on tv long before the Gen X audience was even watching the tube. It would have appealed to us boomer's moms.
  6:08pm tim from washington:

I’m canceling my manicure asap! Thanks, Techtonic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Wendy del Formaggio:

I'm a Gen X'er (born 1974). The reason why the person didn't know she was soaking her hands in Palmolive is because ADULTS ARE STUPID. Now they say "Boomers are stupid," but I'm no Millenial or Zoomer, so I say it my way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm PaulRobeson1922:

@jan! Hi jan!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm herb.nyc:

Wait. That Madge commercial was playing in the 60s. I was a kid and remember it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm coelacanth∅:

yup, that advert was in the early 70s
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm chresti:

wow dale!
Avatar 6:09pm Fredericks:

I'm a Boomer, supposedly, so I guess I can't comment about Palmolive.
  6:09pm DoberBoy:

Yup Jan I remember it in the early 70s. Jan's right!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm chresti:

haha Wendy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm dale:

chresti - they were both really short.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Webhamster Henry:

I was born in 1823, so hand lotions that aren't just lard and beeswax are new to me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm listener james from westwood:

Madge should get together with that Irishman who kept slicing off chunks of soap in the Irish Spring ads.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm ultradamno:

I thought the implication was that Palmolive had a drug that seeped in through the skin and you'd just be too blissed out to notice your hand in goo
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm chresti:

actors are often short with big heads
  6:12pm Marie:

Manicures are like bad news chemically
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Wretch:

James, I think those Irish Spring commercials awakened something in me
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Franco Twinkie:

And I like it Too!(In an Irish brouge)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm listener james from westwood:

The slices looked vaguely edible. Like green marzipan.
  6:13pm Marie:

It was originally supposed to be around cinco de mayo, I think, but it was separated from that--a kind of neutering
  6:13pm DoberBoy:

LOl yes that textured soap and those Irish lasses
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm Franco Twinkie:

I couldn't stand the smell of Irish spring.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm coelacanth∅:

it was pretty tasty
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm PaulRobeson1922:

Workplace surveillance: a very Techtonic Labor Day - Very Important program today
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm dale:

fels naptha is all anyone needs.
  6:15pm Marie:

Damn that Bezos (and Amazon management)!
  6:15pm Pax:

Her name was Madge, and it wasn't that they didn't know their hands were soaking in something, it was that they were shocked and surprised to find out it was dish detergent
Avatar 6:16pm MarciB:

Thank goodness I work for myself. That being said, I know Apple + Goggles are still tracking me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm coelacanth∅:

(so, what i said @608)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm ultradamno:

A man walking around slicing up soap needs to have an eye kept on him
Avatar 6:17pm MarciB:

@Pax - yup, I recall those commercials and think they were from the 70s. I was a kid seeing them then!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Webhamster Henry:

Micromanagement can be nanomanagement now!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm coelacanth∅:

Franco i liked irish spring when it first came into our home. and i was a smelly adolescent so it was good; but yeah it smells disgusting and i'd never touch it now
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Webhamster Henry:

Here ya go, Jan Miner as "Madge", finger dissolving manicurist: clickamericana.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm ultradamno:

Sending pointless emails runs counter to the 'quiet quitting' (which we used to just call slack) I keep hearing about
  6:18pm Marie:

Hospice is great, well and truly
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Baja Joe:

Hello Mark. My Nephew lost his Amazon warehouse job partly because he took too long on bathroom breaks. This happened over 3 years ago.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm coelacanth∅:

alternately a hospice is somewhere where one can die of a morphine overdose in peace.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Hospice is a mitzvah. The thrift store in nearby Brattleboro VT -- Experienced Goods -- supports our local hospice organization. They also help people develop their Advance Directives (aka "living wills").
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm Wendy del Formaggio:

ACK! This tech nonsense violates all that hospice is supposed to represent and offer.
  6:21pm Deano de los Muertos:

That’s just sick..
  6:21pm Dean:

Medieval cultural appropriation!

I stand with the Troubadours!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm chresti:

My son got fired from a remote customer service job because he returned from a meal break 5 or 10 minutes late. Sounds like China
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm listener james from westwood:

Because healthcare chaplains need this shit on top of 30 months of fucking COVID deaths.
  6:22pm MrDeb:

Came in late. What is the Times article under discussion? Thanks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm PaulRobeson1922:

“The promotion of one deity - even a technological one- requires the trivialization of all others…” - Neil Postman in Technopoly 1992
  6:23pm Pax:

Sorry Cøe, it takes me a day and a year to compose a text, by the time I'm done the chat board has moved far ahead, so I don't know what anyone has posted.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm DjLorraine:

Zestfully
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm ultradamno:

Never let a priest near you when you're dying, all they've got a key to is the shithouse - WSB
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Wretch:

Hasn't productivity already increased by like 100x in the internet age?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm coelacanth∅:

haha Pax that happens to me all the time!
  6:24pm Dean:

Let's honor the master of surveillance, Charles Manson. His achievements require no special technology, only adept "creepy crawly" skills.
  6:24pm Deano de los Muertos:

Wow, what a bastardization of Tolkien lore…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Franco Twinkie:

I was working on a TV commercial in Tucson. The entire crew was staying at a fancy motel. The art department was there early, so I decided to go swimming. Little did I know, but the production department was staked out in a room across from the swimming pool. Soon everybody knew I was relaxing in the pool while everybody else was slaving away in the desert sun. Nothing happened, but I felt compelled to find out who the fink was and bust her chop. You couldn't do that today, it would be called harassment.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm ultradamno:

...and swear to me you'll never wear a policeman's badge
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm dale:

wretch - if it has increased 100x it can increase 110x, dammit!
  6:25pm Marie:

the new greedy overlords--like slaveholders, captains of industry in the 1800s--it's like this puritanical thing where they believe people are lazy and can't be trusted. That is why a lot of companies want to scrap work from home
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm chresti:

me too, Paxkins, I'm a pick 'n pecker
  6:26pm Dean:

@Marie: These greedy overlords are in no way new. We do not live in a particularly special time. We live in the ordinary.
  6:27pm Marie:

Dean, I don't disagree but we did not have the tech companies and the tech aspect of it in the past
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm listener james from westwood:

"They are not all accounted for, the lost seeing-stones. We do not know who else may be watching!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm PaulRobeson1922:

“…the promotion of one deity - even a technological one- requires the trivialization of all others.” - Neil Postman
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm dale:

i kinda thought jaye p. morgan was hot on the gong show.
Avatar 6:30pm Rolando:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

- Martin Niemöller. German Lutheran pastor
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Richy4619:

.·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm ultradamno:

"Too many computers know my name, too much religion, too little to believe in"

The Mutants - Too Much, Too Soon in the late 70s/early 80s
themutantssf.bandcamp.com...
  6:31pm Dean:

@dale: Thank you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Oh no! Office Space! hahahaha!
  6:32pm Pax:

@chrestikitten: hah, sounds like a chicken! Even a chicken can out peck me at typing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park:

"That would be great. M'kay?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm DanFA:

No, 1999
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm dale:

dean - happy and peppy and bursting with love.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm listener james from westwood:

1999 for that film. Wish it had come out in 1993; it might have armored Gen X and millennials against a lot of the postcollegiate corporate bullshit they were being dropped into.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm DanFA:

Office Space came out in 1999.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Baja Joe:

I have the stapler.
  6:35pm Pax:

@Wendy del F: that was the movie that Mark conjured up in my mind as he was going on about what all he said.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm PaulRobeson1922:

Very Important topic today
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Wendy del Formaggio:

@Pax: Same!
Avatar 6:38pm Bas NL:

I'm late! Hi Mark & all!
  6:39pm Dean:

Real workers work. The rest of us--I'm a librarian--are zero percent unproductive.
  6:39pm Tom from Stirling.:

Mark Hurst is great. Love this show.
  6:42pm Pax:

Milton certainly had a solution to the problem.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Bas!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Ciggy:

Mark, your sardonic laughter reminded me of Clay Pigeon
  6:43pm ledzeppelinsucks:

Sammy Fagarosmith and Led Zeppelin reruns blaring on Seattle truckers.
Avatar 6:43pm Bas NL:

Hi Wendy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm herb.nyc:

Wait wait wait, my wfmu dj efficiency app has noticed that mark hurst has not posted on the comment board. No no no, he is beholden to the listeners. The board of directors is not amused.
  6:44pm Tom from Stirling.:

Is that Wilford Brimley weilding that axe?
  6:44pm Marie:

@Franco, 6:45--I love that story @)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm ultradamno:

It's really some nerve, considering how overworked and largely poorly treated truck drivers are, to throw cameras in the mix...
  6:44pm -Ken:

Spray paint for the camera lens, epoxy for the microphone. Silly string for the after party
  6:44pm The Butterman:

Mark’s laugh of outrage is the highlight of each show!
  6:45pm Marie:

correction--6:25
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm ultradamno:

John Olivier's piece on trucker working conditions ew.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Mark Hurst:

I'm posting! I'm posting! Please give me productivity points.
  6:45pm Tom from Stirling.:

Mark needs a break. That was some rightous rant.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park:

@Pax - John Milton the author or Milton with the red stapler?
  6:46pm Marie:

Wal Mart was found to have created a policy to not allow their cashiers to sit and it was found in a memo, that the goal was to push older cashiers to retire
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm chresti:

I foresee dismantling security/surveillance systems as a growth industry
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm herb.nyc:

Productivity points given. Nice multi tasking.
  6:47pm Dean:

Oy. Productivity is not writing opinions. It's making things, objects, stuff you have to figure out how to throw away.
  6:47pm Tom from Stirling.:

John Oliver and Mark should get together some day. Maybe
  6:47pm Dean:

My boss's name is Mal! Hell, yes, it's Malware!
  6:47pm Peter from Dover NJ:

There's surveillance cameras all over the retail establishment where I work.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm nixxon:

My workplace (a university) just made the ID cards a smartphone app. So presumably they can see where I am at all times. But I need it to get into my building, so...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Dano59:

'Metrics' was workspeak for 'we're keeping an eye on you slackers' at my uni job, where I found out my emails were being read by others.
  6:49pm Pax:

If it is, then he's Zombie Bromley. And I'm pretty certain that it's Bromley, not Brimley ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Richy4619:

.·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
Avatar 6:49pm Bas NL:

I told my boss i could not join the online meeting because there was no camera on my computer. Week after i found a boxed camera on my desk. And in it's box it will stay.
  6:49pm Marie:

I hate office 365 too--wow, I did not know it was surveilling!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Dano59:

MS software is all buggy in some way.
  6:50pm Tom from Stirling.:

It's Brimley
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Not to rub it in, but I'm so thankful right now to have the municipal jobs I do. My bosses pretty much entirely ignore me unless I need something from them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm nixxon:

I made a script that makes it look like I'm logged into and interacting with Teams every hour of every day, lol
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Bas: Right on!
  6:51pm Marie:

Good for you, Wendy
  6:51pm Dean:

(I spent a few months on a project with Doctorow. He's kinda hard to get along with. He isn't rude at all, but he's rather full of himself.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Franco Twinkie:

Marie, going on location use to be an excuse to misbehave. Typically, everybody did it. But calling out members of the crew for pranking behavior was frowned upon. We were all on vacation....sort of.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm ultradamno:

What We Do In The Shadows has made it hard for me to not laugh at the phrase 'guess what?'
  6:52pm ledzeppelinsucks:

mikkkrosoft can spy on job applicants
  6:52pm Marie:

Franco, yeah, I hear ya
  6:52pm Pax:

@Ken fhp: Red Stapler.
  6:52pm Peter from Dover NJ:

Mark, you're preaching truth, but I worry about your blood pressure. For real.
  6:53pm Tom from Stirling.:

This is so good! We are all screwed. Its no wonder Wilford is going nutso with that axe.
  6:53pm Carmichael:

Tracer bullets work in both directions.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Oh shit. Except one of my jobs recently asked me to switch all of my emails to the town's email system because they are considered public records. AND, they are using office365. And it's now on my laptop! ACK! I wonder if I can use Thunderbird to access the email account...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm dale:

franco twinkie - i went on a verizon offsite to new orleans as a vendor. walked past larry flynt's hustler club and saw a bunch of clients in there on verizon's expense account.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm chresti:

They're double crossers!
  6:54pm GC in Baltimore:

Mark you are a TREASURE. Keep preaching and teaching. Re solutions:Yes to unions and worker power….Revolution, even….perhaps.
Avatar 6:55pm Jeff Moore:

I still contend that that creepy-ass "Elf on a Shelf" figurine is a tool for acclimating kids to surveillance right from toddlerhood.
  6:55pm castor:

Great show! Reminds me of the Yes Men video in which they show off this shiny golden boss suit equipped with a large, inflatable, penis-shaped surveillance TV. https://theecologist.org/2011/mar/01/they-took-dow-and-halliburton-who-are-yes-men
  6:55pm Tom from Stirling.:

Yeah, so sick of all the Apple bullshite.
  6:55pm Marie:

It's truly sick, treating kids like this
  6:56pm BVP:

I love you Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm PaulRobeson1922:

Son, did you buy a slurpie today? I told you, no slupries damit
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm ultradamno:

All these companies think they're Bruce Wayne...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Wretch:

I thought we already killed the kiddy trackers since they could be used to surveil the other nearby kids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I figured so, Pax. I was reminded of the scene from Animal House. "Don't write this down, but I find Milton probably as boring as you find Milton."
  6:56pm DoberBoy:

Unveiling the latest model of consumer!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm nixxon:

So what can we do? I think the EFF has pretty much given up...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm PaulRobeson1922:

Tubby! I told you! I know where you are at all time, I know what you do, do not cross me…
Avatar 6:57pm Fredericks:

Is Mark extra worked up today?
  6:57pm Deano de los Muertos:

Mark is on fire
  6:57pm Tom from Stirling.:

Don't worry, Mark. That kid will lose and/or break that watch within a week.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Fuzzy:

I want you all to turn on your webcams and say "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
  6:57pm Pax:

@Tom fS: I'll take's your word's for it's, zombie brimley he is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm dale:

my mother always said 'get out from under me and don't come back until dinner.' i survived.
  6:57pm Dean:

I'm pretty sure a bunch of kids died not having been tracked. Coincidence?
  6:57pm Deano de los Muertos:

@Listener: yes. Listen to the show about walking
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm herb.nyc:

Lower east side ecology center- Next ewaste event 09/09/22- Meatpacking
(Meatpacking (300 - 310W 14th
Street)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Thank you, Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm PaulRobeson1922:

Thank you, Mark
Avatar 6:58pm Bas NL:

I'm currently wearing that on my my Techtonic rant T-Shirt! Thanks Mark!
  6:58pm Tom from Stirling.:

An epic show. Yes, indeed. One for the books
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 6:58pm Annette:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Franco Twinkie:

Stimulating as always! Thanks Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm PaulRobeson1922:

“Who cares what they say, when I am on my way!” 🎶- Paul Robeson
  6:59pm Deano de los Muertos:

Thank you Mark, great show
  6:59pm Bea:

Thanks Mark and Techtrons!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm nixxon:

Yeah, thanks Mark. This one hit home
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. I hope your blood pressure returns to normal right soon!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm coelacanth∅:

i feel sad for people like "Listener" who apparently don't have any possible way to turn the show off
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm PaulRobeson1922:

Everybody is welcome @WFMu!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm PaulRobeson1922:

No second class aboard this train!
  7:01pm Douglas:

Man ,another good one,you must be exhausted,that was a lot ,thanks man
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm coelacanth∅:

agreed, but awareness is one step.
Avatar 1:07am joe_rosevear:

That was an amazing show.

I underscore coelacanth0's comment--awareness is a plus--amid the horrible minuses.
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