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Options August 1, 2022: "What now?" How to resist Big Tech if Congress fails...

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Today: "What now?" How to resist Big Tech if Congress fails...

Klobuchar admits tech antitrust vote will have to wait (Axios, Aug 1, 2022)

• See the notes on the June 20, 2022 episode - "Our last chance to defeat Big Tech (for awhile)" - for more about the American Innovation and Choice Online Act (AICOA) and the Open App Markets Act (OAMA).

The Good Web (Ethan Zuckerman, UMass professor, June 30, 2022): "PubHub, a new network being created in the Netherlands by Dutch academics, envisions a system of networks based on important institutions in people’s lives. Your town’s local government might maintain a PubHub, or your local soccer club, or your children’s school. ... What is unclear about these small networks, is whether they will be able to attract substantial participation. Many small networks have arisen before, to challenge the dominance of global networks. They tend to thrive briefly and die."

Mastodon.social, one decentralized network to try (my account: @markhurst@mastodon.social )

Dec 2, 2019 show with Joe Hollier, co-founder, The Light Phone

• Good news: A most welcome decline (by me, July 29, 2022)

• Bad news: Amazon's Ring has provided doorbell footage to police without owners' consent 11 times so far this year (CNN, July 14, 2022): “Ring currently partners with 2,161 law enforcement agencies (and 455 fire departments) that can request surveillance data from Ring doorbells — a figure that Markey, in a release, said represented a five-fold increase from November 2019. [Amazon] declined to commit that Ring will never use voice recognition technology in its doorbells and rejected Markey’s request that Ring cameras stop automatically recording audio by default when they take video footage.

‘As my ongoing investigation into Amazon illustrates, it has become increasingly difficult for the public to move, assemble, and converse in public without being tracked and recorded,’ said Markey in a statement. ‘We cannot accept this as inevitable in our country. Increasing law enforcement reliance on private surveillance creates a crisis of accountability, and I am particularly concerned that biometric surveillance could become central to the growing web of surveillance systems that Amazon and other powerful tech companies are responsible for.’”

• More bad news: those contact lenses...

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonquisitors!
  6:00pm Captain Mick:

This is the first time I've had to listen to this show live! Hello from Alaska!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Will a Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst and all!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Franco Twinkie:

Howdy Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

The Hafler Trio on their decision to pull their releases from Bandcamp twitter.com...
Avatar 🤖 6:01pm Rolando:

Such a happy jingle to start the show. Reminds me of TV and Radio in the 70's - Hello All.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm chresti:

Hi Mark and tectonians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm ultradamno:

Last night Mike Rogers played a song by Superorganism called Put Down Your Phone on his Color Red Radio show on the Sheena stream that seems tailor made to be played on this show wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and what all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm David (in London):

Ultradamno, I'd have more sympathy for his position if hadn't constantly dicked his audiences over / around for decades with his flakiness and general disregard for their loyalty.
Avatar 🤖 6:03pm Rolando:

What!! If Congress fails? Perhaps the EU could do better? I suspect they are BOTH in KaHoots with Big Tech !! :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Baja Joe:

Greetings Mark and Techies listening in.
  6:04pm Choggie:

Big tech anti-trust in the Senate is all over the news babies! We gotta stop Dr Evil Bezos from building moar penis rockets!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm ultradamno:

@DiL I admit I don't fully understand what the tax issue in question is, but since the Bandcamp buyout has been an issue on this show....
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm chresti:

That's right, Rolando, they're all on the take.
Avatar 6:09pm BerkeleyGuy:

legislation is nice but if the law is not enforced then its moot.
  6:09pm Captain Mick:

Big Tech = Big Bucks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm David (in London):

Nurse, sedative for Mr Hurst please.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm JB:

Yep, Chuck's an a-hole. Always been one.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Franco Twinkie:

The machinations of Chuck Schumer are impossible to untangle. The appetite of Jeff Bezos is impossible to unplug. Who else? Become a refusenick - pay in cash, and work laterally from there.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Rick from SC:

Please keep ranting.
Avatar 🤖 6:17pm Pete from Hoboken:

Love your passion, Mark! It's OK to go off!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm coelacanth∅:

there there, Mark. here, take a soma.
  6:17pm shaqfu:

I work for a big tech company (one of the smaller ones) as an engineer working in AI with a PhD. I do hope that Congress addresses some of the inequities in the market. I also wish these companies would focus on growing home-grown talent, rather than outsourcing or hiring H1Bs instead of investing their massive profits into our local schools and training future engineers.
Avatar 6:18pm BerkeleyGuy:

Chuck needs to be replaced like many in congress. The Dems and the GOP are both owned by Wall St. and the corps.
Avatar 6:19pm BerkeleyGuy:

Software engineer here. Start with poisoning the well. Mess with their databases.
  6:21pm castor:

Preaching to on the radio can only do so much Mark, you have to bring the fight to their doorstep. Schumer's office is at 780 Third Avenue, Suite 2301, and it's already where climate activists have been going to do sit ins.
Avatar 6:21pm Hörer Christoph:

The facts speak for themselves, no need to lose your mind!
  6:21pm Dean:

Re: Bandcamp and taxation, it appears that laws became a bit more strict as of Jan. 1, 2022: https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/360007802494-What-about-taxes-

Compare middle of last year: https://web.archive.org/web/20210618170025/https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/360007802494-What-about-taxes-
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Dano59:

impassioned rage in the pursuit of freedom is no vice (or something like that).
you're currently registering only 0.02 Alexes on the Alex Jones Apoplexy / Shouting Meter.
  6:22pm castor:

Mark, you would be a great speaker at a protest!!!
Avatar 6:22pm BerkeleyGuy:

The cookies your web browser drops into the cache is harvested by the corps. Mess with that cache and you are injecting bad data into their databases.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Richy4619:

The exhaustion you're experiencing in discussing these topics is an all too familiar sentiment in this absurd American reality. You can't explain the crazy. We're plainly being scammed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm coelacanth∅:

haha, yes you've deleted a comment or 2 of mine -probably for my own good!
...but i'm not "venting". sometimes...most of the time - it's the only solution. fear forces profoundly bad people to do the right thing, despite that they'll never be decent human beings.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm coelacanth∅:

(i wont be offended if you delete that post!)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Dano59:

wearing down the opposition is a perennial strategy, @Richy. 'Just go watch Spider-Man, ya rubes.'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm DPL:

that'll show em, BerkeleyGuy. Zuck will think I'm on an iPhone in Montana when I'm actually on an Ubuntu laptop in NYC, mwahaha
  6:27pm The Butterman:

I’m predicting Mark’s nervous, maniacal laugh at 6:34.
Avatar 6:28pm BerkeleyGuy:

I've been playing with a piece of code that will allow users to swap cookies randomly.
  6:28pm bleubombersune:

I'm proud to inform y'all that I was tossed out of the TWITTER family over a year ago.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:28pm Rick from SC:

We need regular daily or weekly boycotts of revolving tech
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm ultradamno:

Meta is a dumb name, but...better than Facebook
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm ultradamno:

...not to mention What's App
Avatar 6:30pm BerkeleyGuy:

I've got friends who work at Facebook, its an awful place to work.
  6:30pm castor:

@Rick from SC, a mass weekly boycott is a great idea! but maybe also with some catchy activity one can do instead.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm DPL:

@BerkeleyGuy, sounds good! That kind of noise-injection as a browser addon, distributed to a small but sizeable amount of users, can maybe make some difference in bottom line. Less silly than one person trying to stick it to the Man.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Hopey Sockmonkey:

Everyone I know uses FB and IG. And they have a myriad of excuses of why it is *essential*. There's no helping those.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Rick from SC:

No tech Monday
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm dale:

how about no one buys gasoline for a week. i'd like to see if that changes anything.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Franco Twinkie:

Admitting you're on Facebook is like saying you're a porn addict. But the evidence is there...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm ultradamno:

Let's not disparage pornography that way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Richy4619:

I can tell you firsthand as a Bay Area/Silicon Valley resident, these techies don't give a shit about the environment where they live and work.. What makes you think they care about the impact of the work they do on the rest of the world?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Franco Twinkie:

Okay, bad analogy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Will a Sound Guy:

We need a forced vote of all registered voters... it's ridiculous that 10-20% participation is normal.
  6:36pm Vertual:

FB sees the future and is going all out on the feel good Meta TV ads about how wonderful they are. They don't even say Facebook anymore.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm coelacanth∅:

i'd be more ashamed to admit i'm on facadebook than to admit i'm a porn addict
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm DPL:

www.deviantart.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm coelacanth∅:

what the hell's this?
...oh - it's america.
Avatar 🤖 6:38pm Rolando:

What Now? You All in the USA need to call a double bluff and threaten to re-elect Donald Trump if the current encumbrance will not do anything about it. - But Hey I don't know much about politics over there. So please dont shoot me :). Yeah this chap was full high on CoCain - I reckon I saw the video !!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm dale:

joel osteen at mets stadium will probably be equally mindnumbing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm G:

Ballmer was almost in Howard Dean territory there, like that Clay drop-in audio scream
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm dale:

fanatical would have been the better word....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm ultradamno:

Well, his screaming wasn't exactly the beginning of TV Eye...
  6:39pm Captain Mick:

Why on Earth do you think re-electing Trump will help with Big Tech at all?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm coelacanth∅:

that's kind of a pointless threat. ronald mcdonald trump will likely be reelected .
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Dano59:

MS is one of the most successful makers of faulty software ever. Also, Windows is pasted-on over a DOS screen to emulate the Apple OS GUI. Pass it on.
  6:40pm Vertual:

Last year ads for FB showed kind but feckless employees saying they can't control hate speech - it's too difficult to determine what's toxic. I mean who are we to have a backbone and stop false narratives! That might offend a liar!
  6:40pm Lizzy:

Hi Mark,
While getting off Fb and instagram would be nice because of their company policies.. so of us still use it for community that we can't find else where that involve people world. Such as for Disabilities ect.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm ultradamno:

I'm on Mastodon, it's a relatively serene experience compared to Twitter.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Richy4619:

Pack the Supreme Court. Overrule Citizens United. Nothing happens until we undo the corruption rotting our govt's core.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm The Count of Al Dente:

What about MeWe?
  6:42pm James Akers:

I am no Mastodon along with Pixelfed- been using them to get off of Instagram. Looking for more friends on there- @jamesakers@fimidi.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm coelacanth∅:

so the same facebook that facilitates child-trafficking should be more concerned about the privacy of families?
of course.
  6:45pm Lizzy:

@The count of Al Dente - MEWE charges for Dark Mode... not very accessibility friendly then I guess. :(
  6:46pm Peter from Dover NJ:

Mark, I recall a startup social network called Diaspora... similar to what you're positing right now. Sadly, I don't think they ever got off the ground.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Webhamster Henry:

peer-to-peer stuff. I can run media servers on my NAS. Not too powerful... but it works.
Avatar 🤖 6:47pm Rolando:

There is a really nice community over at sdf.org, it's been around much longer that any of the other social networks. It' a shared community unix environment so unfortunately you need to be something of "tech head". Anyway just a thought.
Avatar 6:48pm Wild Neil||Peace All:

Next Door SEEMS to be local, but I fear its big too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Franco Twinkie:

A pen, a piece of paper, an envelope and stamp.

Okay, that's beyond comprehension. I'll go back to bed now.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm still on ECHO. (echonyc.com)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Webhamster Henry:

I had to get off next door and it was not easy enough.
Avatar 6:49pm Jeff Moore:

What's the deal with Discord?

You subscribe to separate servers for distinct groups you'll be chatting with...
...but I don't fully understand the whole model or the platform's ownership.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm The Count of Al Dente:

Lizzy. I joined but haven't been there for some time. I can't get any of my friends to join. They do charge for some services, but I think one of their main points is that they don't have advertising, and they don't use algorithms to decide what you get in your feed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Jim the Poet:

No bad news!!!
  6:50pm Kevin in urbana:

Have folks seen minus? https://minus.social
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Will a Sound Guy:

I have to go to the store, Thank you Mark!!! hope for the future!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm DPL:

IRC (Internet relay chat) still rules!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm MyAcademy:

Folks could also look into self hosting functional comparable services (at a much smaller scale). github.com...
  6:51pm Captain Mick:

I had to get off of Next Door after a bunch of boomers in my old neighborhood started to warn each other about a black man in a stolen Orkin truck.

He was the Orkin man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm The Count of Al Dente:

Next Door was bought by a national company.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Hopey Sockmonkey:

Yeah, nextdoor seems rife with racial profiling.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm The Count of Al Dente:

A lot of Yuppies are on there.
  6:52pm Marie:

I appreciate what you do Mark--thanks! I resisted internet access on my phone but gave in and all I do online on my phone is read the news, and that's not fun or good (I get it elsewhere too). But now I need email access since I am freelancing. @(
  6:52pm Space Cowboy:

I just found this show--+ I swear to God wfmu has everything
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm ultradamno:

But a siren...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Let's set up some Ring cameras opposite the lawmakers' residences.
  6:55pm The Butterman:

My brother in
Law’s doorbell camera caught the idiot delivery person walk off their side walk off the 5 foot drop off into the driveway because they were looking on their phone. Classic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Franco Twinkie:

I maintain an obstacle course of trash between my front door and a locked gate. It works!
  6:56pm Rolando:

It’s time for Mark to write another book 📚
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm DjLorraine:

Thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Richy4619:

Keep up the good fight, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm The Count of Al Dente:

Thanks for the show, see the rest of you at the next stop.
Avatar 6:56pm Picante Mint:

Thanks Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Hopey Sockmonkey:

Thanks for the information, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

You need an "M" Microsoft now!
  6:57pm David in London:

Thanks Mark. Night everyone.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Barno in Akron:

I look forward to catching you on Double Dip Recess - Yay!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Seanarchx:

THE TANGLED TUBES
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm ultradamno:

We all act now like it wasn't a binary choice between truck and tubes
  6:59pm queems:

lollllll tubes
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm The Count of Al Dente:

TUBES! TUBES! TUBES IN MY SOUP! TUBES EVERYWHERE! RUN AWAY!!
  7:01pm joe_rosevear:

Suggestion: Tell the story of Richard Stallman and copyleft.
  7:17pm joe_rosevear:

Here's a link: www.gnu.org...
Avatar 🤖 5:22pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Just on the archives to learn about PubHub. Seems a core development to enable groups. There is a call on people with specific interests and organizational experience/tech knowledge to start up groups.
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