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Favoriting October 18, 2021: The return of call screener Phil

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Today: the return of call screener Phil

First, a comment on "connecting people," then "privacy," and now "the metaverse."

Via James Vincent: "Facebook wants to create AI systems that offer perfect memory — cataloguing not just what you say but the physical world around you. Such systems could be incredibly useful, of course, but have huge privacy implications." (More detail in The Verge article, "Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, and remember everything you do" (by James Vincent, Oct 14)

See also Big Tech’s latest misbehavior calls for action (by Mark Hurst, Oct 15)

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  The return of call screener Phil as we discuss armed robot dogs and other bad ideas.
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Reaktive EP  Voodoo God   Favoriting https://ekoplekz.bandcamp.com/track/voodoo-god 
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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

I can't believe I'm going to miss ANOTHER call-in show! But K8 has a gig. So I'm having my pregig Techgin and thinking fondly of hearing the archives of Techtonic.

Have fun storming the castle, Mark and all the Techyon Drives!
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listener james from westwood:

"The return of Call Screener Phil / Throwing darts in callers' eyes . . ."
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtontelecommunicators!
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DjLorraine:

It's here
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi techpeeps!
  6:02pm
kevlicki:

Why hello live listener chat board!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and techtoblasters! Make a pledge of Mark releases the hounds!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
Webhamster Henry:

Tanktonic!
Avatar 6:02pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

RobotMutt GunFace
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
DjLorraine:

Techtonic is man's best friend
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Webhamster Henry:

[phone tank that is]
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Mx. Baba Bee (e/they):

hey, Mark! hey folx!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
DjLorraine:

A distraction technique someone mentioned.
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TDK60:

Hello Mark.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Mr. Pumpy - I pitch it somewhere between Disney's Pluto & H.R. Giger...
  6:08pm
-Ken:

Hi everybodies! Happy to be here. Happy to be anywhere
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Erin in TO:

Hello all!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Special agent S.P.U.R. will smite thee enemies - www.sworddefense.com... I call him REX (Remote EXecutioner).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Erin in TO:

Oh boy, this topic should bring some interesting calls
Avatar 6:11pm
TDK60:

I like the little records with the big holes. Good tech.
  6:13pm
NeitherProNorCon:

I am listening to your stream right now on my laptop, taking advantage of a great deal of productive advancements in tech that have taken place over the last two decades.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
tim from washington:

Hi Mark and crew! I'm excited to see/hear where today's show goes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Webhamster Henry:

That dog gun looks very crummily CGI'd, but they probably put a gun on it and didn't what to show what kind of gun.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
ultradamno:

Amazon indicates their business model twitter.com...
  6:15pm
NeitherProNorCon:

What does *evil* mean to you?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Erin in TO:

I saw that pic of the gun-loaded robot dog earlier this week and could only shake my head sadly :(
  6:15pm
Sam:

A dog robot would presumably be even more unfeeling than a human robot.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hyundai purchased Boston Dynamics in December, 2020.
  6:16pm
Sam:

Have your robot dog spayed or neutered immediately
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Hi Hi Hi all!!!
Warm greetings from the Cab of a 14ft box truck on 6th ave and 30th
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Webhamster Henry:

Here's one of those Robot Doggy Dances so Mark doesn't have to link to it: www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
ultradamno:

They could have them dance to that Stealer's Wheel song like Michael Madsen to make them more human
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
chris in the redwoods:

evil = viscous (i.e the opposite of virtuous)

hi, Mark and all. can't stay for the whole time, but hellos all around.
  6:17pm
Tom from Stirling:

Drones are robot birds.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
tim from washington:

That would really suck if you bought a robot dog then it booked out the door when you opened it and it ran away.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
chresti:

Robot dogs said that about China?
  6:18pm
Sam:

Ah, that takes me back to the sixties.
  6:18pm
Tom from Stirling:

Drones are robot birds.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Astro:

Ruh ro, Rorge!
Avatar 6:19pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Cause who in the present Society could we not trust with a big metal dog w/ a massive Gun for a head.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Webhamster Henry:

And .. awww! teeny tiny seed like sensor robots that are only a little like that Black Mirror robot Bee episode. www.theverge.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
chresti:

That looks like Star Wars.
  6:19pm
Sam:

Yeah, the drones could also kill you even more easily.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
DjLorraine:

Tiiim from Washington
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PaulRobeson1920:

WFMU is trending in the South!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...surely only Good could possibly result by giving a big Gun legs & AI...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
StringOFperils:

The robot dog (first?) appears long ago in the text of Fahrenheit 451; it hunts the protagonist, armed with syringes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
StringOFperils:

@Pumpy !
  6:21pm
Sam:

There’s only so many pianos you can drop on those things.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Erin in TO:

@Revolution Rabbit the T-1000 agrees with you
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

"We didn't program it to shoot you. We were hacked!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Juli:

I want to give up
Social Media
  6:22pm
Sam:

Fahrenheit 451 also had people going to sleep with headphones on
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Juli:

Trying to just stop posting
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
DjLorraine:

I don't want a real canine or mechanical replica attacking.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
StringOFperils:

I'm more afraid of the autonomous (!) stealth-fighter drone prototypes.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Webhamster Henry:

Robot dog, robot shmog... here's the robot snake: www.youtube.com...
  6:23pm
The Butterman:

That’s a spot on Fuckerburg impression!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

“People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better.”
― Ray Bradbury
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
shiloh in spirit:

hi mark -- the first time i heard about this whole metaverse thing was when i read it in a teen novel called Ready Player One... the author is a hack.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
chresti:

They got to put a wig and bow on it so it looks friendly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
PaulRobeson1920:

“Evil does not naturally dwell in the world, in events, or in people. Evil is a by-product of forgetfulness, laziness, or distraction: it arises when we lose sight of our true aim in life. When we remember that our aim is spiritual progress, we return to striving to be our best selves. This is how happiness is won.”

— The Art of Living: The Classical Mannual on Virtue, Happiness, and Effectiveness by Epictetus—- Translation by Sharon Lebell
  6:24pm
Tom from Stirling:

Very good Mark Zuckerburg voice, Mark.
  6:25pm
Godzilla:

Godzilla versus Metaverse Godzilla
  6:25pm
seedfriend:

Snowcrash so good!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Webhamster Henry:

Snow crash was lots of fun!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
bukowski.:

yes! i immediately though of the the rat things in snow crash not being too dissimilar to the boston dynamics robo-gun-dogs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Juli:

Thanks PaulRobeson1920
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shiloh in spirit:

haven't read snowcrash but it sounds really interesting
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Metta World Peace-iverse
  6:26pm
Sam:

“I never metaverse I didn’t like.”
- William Shakespeare
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Juli:

Get a life pleeeaseeeee lol

Good one Sam
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Juli:

VR? Boring
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
tim from washington:

I've read one Neal Stephenson and really dug it. It as a luddite it was a fun eye opener to the world of modern video games.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
ultradamno:

Made a gif of it in honor of Dee Pop (RIP) twitter.com...
  6:28pm
Sam:

Of course they can’t do it in a suave 80’s announcer’s voice, it had to be that super whiny millennial vocal fry.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

"pay me and maybe I'll tell you where the watch is"
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TDK60:

The small 'e' is disappearing. She says "tast" not test. Ick.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Juli:

Why not just put a beep beep on it from an app

HAHA wow
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
tim from washington:

Wait a minute. Facebook couldn't come up with more updated back ground music? It sounds like a United Way PSA from 1997.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
ultradamno:

OK, I could do that to find grandma's watch but that would mean I'd have to stop contacting by Ouija board and she so looks forward to that.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Ah ha. The Safest *possible* thing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

@Tim the audience is 1997 United Way contributors.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Feldy:

"I can't tell you where your watch is, Dave"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
mndave:

"It just stands to reason" LOL
  6:30pm
timinoak:

St Anthony isn't going to like people using another way to find lost items.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
tim from washington:

Maybe, I stole grandma's watch and pawned it so I could by baseball cards. Did you observe that, Facebook?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Erin in TO:

I have friends that have Amazon Alexa's in their homes, and they increasingly freak me out when I'm at their places
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Feldy:

It would've made Butch Coolidge's day better in Pulp Fiction
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Cause no hack or outage has ever occurred to the Too Bugged to Fail.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
tim from washington:

@Webhamster - hahahahaha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
mndave:

@timinoak You never know, FB may allow the user to have a "Hey, St Anthony!" voice prompt
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
Juli:

St Anthony haha I was wondering who to ask thanks
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
chresti:

Talking drawers, grandpa eventually throws everything outside.
  6:32pm
choggie:

Okay mark, you're scaring the shit outta of me now
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

If the drawers were all equipped with cameras connected to the cloud, then you'd always know their contents. Problem solved!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Juli:

Haha if only we could use Energy Checks for all things really
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm
PaulRobeson1920:

War is immoral…
  6:38pm
Listener Robert:

If Listener Steve hadn't been in the hospital recovering from his aortic valve replacement at the time, it could easily have been him calling in from the road asking the station to drag Bronwyn and Jim back.
  6:38pm
timinoak:

I'm really not into any tech, but junk drawers need something..
  6:39pm
seedfriend:

100% dump him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Erin in TO:

I would accept a Mark Hurst dating show where he gives advice based on your partner's tech choices
  6:39pm
Sam:

How many couples have broken up because of Alexa?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Hopey Sockmonkey:

yikes
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
mndave:

*taking notes*
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
DjLorraine:

War is not good for children
And other living things
  6:41pm
Skillet:

Spike from East Orange here, thanks for taking my call and glad I passed the WFMU vibe check
  6:41pm
Marci:

@Erin in TO —yes!!
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TDK60:

They weren't wrong, they were liars.
  6:41pm
P-90:

[…jotiing down a few notes on that dating advice]
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Powell LIED. Wrong ain't the half of it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
tim from washington:

Alexa listens to the date and and reports back to it's masters "Dammit! We lost another one to Techtonic"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
PaulRobeson1920:

“Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science.”-
Paul Goodman
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ultradamno:

I have to assume her boyfriend has her under surveillance and is already aware of that conversation
  6:42pm
Listener Robert:

I remember telling Steve when he got back that they had a new show, named something like "Tech Talk", in place of his beloved Bronwyn C. and Jim. And then he had a stroke, and couldn't bear to resume hemodialysis as an inpatient, and died.
Avatar 6:44pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Not off topic in that the War Machine wagging the dog is part & parcel with the Militarization of Civil Society - which as we know is inseparable from AI like this dog here. But also Privacy issues & surveillance.
  6:46pm
Mark in Montreal:

hey, can someone post the date of the show about Hudson Yards, Sidewalk Labs, and surveillance? Would love to check that out.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
Webhamster Henry:

@RR63 What bugs me is every piece of new tech is announced saying "this will help soldiers in the field!"
  6:47pm
Skillet:

“The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” - W.B Yeats
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
ultradamno:

The technology isn't neutral because it's the product of an aggressively amoral tech culture
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1920:

War Is a Racket

& Vietnam is America’s longest war (1954-1975)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Webhamster Henry:

"I don't have anything to hide" ... things to hide change second by second.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Profoundly immoral
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TDK60:

This "I don't have anything to hide" notion gets my goat. Sieg howdy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
ultradamno:

The fish rots from the head, to put it another way.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...those Police with Tanks & Sound Cannons will never hurt the Good people...
  6:50pm
timinoak:

Amen Hurst
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm
chresti:

Agree it's a racket, PaulRobeson
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

"An injury to one is an injury to all." That's why we should care about surveillance, even if we think we have nothing to hide. We should care because other people's oppression is amoral.
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Doug in JC:

Why is it always men who do the whole "nothing to hide" thing? Because women know how bad being stalked actually is
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Juli:

I think I can stop using social media and focus on myself and my website.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
chris in the redwoods:

Wendy, that's excellent! thank you.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Word up, Doug in JC. Surveillance is especially horrifying for women in relationships with men, and Queer and trans children living with homo- or transphobic parents and caregivers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Juli:

It is a distraction
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Often said - I'm too small & there's too much data to process for them to care. That, friends, is what AI is for.
Then it's said - I Have Nothing to Hide. *This* presumes they are Fair & won't misrepresent things.
Based on what evidence ??
Once you or anyone you really care about end up in Court & our System even once, you may sing a different tune.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

You're welcome, Chris in the Redwoods.
  6:53pm
kevlicki:

“ I have nothing to hide” so it’s a great idea to surveil everything I do, to better advertise to me.

If there is satisfaction with the status quo, one will not agitate. If you think the world has reached perfection then you have nothing to hide….
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Juli:

I cover all the phone and computer cameras always…I use nail polish
  6:53pm
timinoak:

They're selling convenience and security.
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Doug in JC:

@juli I've been doing that since I saw mark zuckerberg do it!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Essential to get across that what they're in it for & what you're in it for are Not the Same.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Juli:

Doug doing what exactly?
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Doug in JC:

Covering up my cameras, juli
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Tommy in Neversink:

You know , you know , you know
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Juli:

Yeah I am done.

I can walk away
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Hopey Sockmonkey:

It's all I can hear
  6:56pm
?:

lost count of the you knows
  6:57pm
Mark in Montreal:

Surveillance capitalism.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Juli:

Yeah I talk to the camera sometimes too and fuck w ppl

🤣
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
chresti:

It should be illegal, recording people without their permission.
Avatar 6:58pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

We were already a Surveilled Society from Cameras in every Store & Civic space.
~ Bill of Digital Rights ! ! ! ~
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Juli:

I love how much this show helps me move past social media
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Thanks, Mark!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
  6:58pm
Glistener MW:

Thanks, Mark, Phil, and the awesome quality of (screened) callers! This was fun
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
tim from washington:

Thanks Mark, callers, Phil and comments crew!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti:

There are many fearful people that want to feel "safe"
Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm
Sam:

If any of those robot dogs come near me I’m invoking Florida’s stand your ground law
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
PaulRobeson1920:

Thank you Mark!!!
Freeform is worth more than Gold! & can never be sold!!!!

Thank you WFMU!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm
coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Quick note about call screening: if you don't get through, don't take it personally - we're doing our best to screen calls - just post your question here, or email it directly to me through the email form on this page. In any case, don't come on the comment board and loudly complain about "censorship" or start insulting the call screener - that's an immediate ban. Thanks to everyone who was cool about the comments & calls this evening - fun show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:47pm
Mark Hurst:

@Mark in Montreal to your question about the Hudson Yards show - Aug 23, 2021 with Shannon Mattern here: www.wfmu.org...
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