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Options October 4, 2021: What just happened to Facebook and Instagram?

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Today: What just happened to Facebook and Instagram?

What Happened to Facebook, Instagram, & WhatsApp? by Brian Krebs, today, October 4: "Facebook and its sister properties Instagram and WhatsApp are suffering from ongoing, global outages. We don’t yet know why this happened, but the how is clear: Earlier this morning, something inside Facebook caused the company to revoke key digital records that tell computers and other Internet-enabled devices how to find these destinations online."

"... The outages come just hours after CBS’s 60 Minutes aired a much-anticipated interview with Frances Haugen, the Facebook whistleblower who recently leaked a number of internal Facebook investigations showing the company knew its products were causing mass harm, and that it prioritized profits over taking bolder steps to curtail abuse on its platform — including disinformation and hate speech."

Facebook and all of its apps go down simultaneously (Mike Isaac and Sheera Frenkel at the NYT, Oct 4, 2021): "Facebook has dispatched a small team to one of its California data centers to try and manually reset its servers in an attempt to fix the problem."

• Ed Snowden posts: "Facebook and Instagram go mysteriously offline and, for one shining day, the world becomes a healthier place."

Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen: The 60 Minutes Interview (excerpted on toxic YouTube, Oct 3, 2021)

Transcript of 60 Minutes interview

• As I just posted: Now is an excellent time to email your local authorities, school, camp, church, soccer league, whatever - and tell them: "Please stop posting your updates on Facebook and Instagram, which are liable to disappear. Instead, use a website on the open web, and email updates."

Voice surveillance must die (by Mark Hurst, Sept 30, 2021): more thoughts based on the book featured in last week's show.

• Also to discuss:
    - DNS and why facebook.com is for sale
    - your calls

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Listener comments!

Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 5:59pm listener james from westwood:

So! Slow news day, huh?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Birdman:

Got reminded of the show from the WFMU insta! Ready to go!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm DanFA:

Mark, what did you do?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Handy Haversack:

Wish we could be here for the calls, Mark and Techyon Drives. But we gotta run out. The Techtonic T-shirt did yeoman's work today!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm adampsyche:

hey what's the good news
  6:00pm ShelbyG:

I’m STOKED for this show!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:00pm Nelson Muntz:

Ha ha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm steveo:

cool; timeliness, agility
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm admiral crisp:

we've been training for this day
  6:01pm ShelbyG:

DanFA: hahaha 🤣
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Webhamster Henry:

Let us not gloat too much.
  6:01pm Glistener MW:

Boo, servers seem to be coming back online! I was hoping the downage would last through the evening, or at least through TechTonic
  6:01pm Andres:

A golden goose has just walked into the studio!!
  6:01pm David in London:

Evening Technoids. Hi Mark, and assembled groovers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm ultradamno:

MarK! Techquanimous!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Franco Twinkie:

Howdee Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:01pm DjLorraine:

Greetings all
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm bukowski.:

🥂
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm pgalub:

This is like the FMU equivalent of "We interrupt this program to bring you a special report!" and I'm psyched to be here.
  6:02pm hugo (NL):

so peace is restored?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm DanFA:

@ShelbyG, I listened to that Bauhaus track you told me about. Good song, but not my thing.
  6:02pm ShelbyG:

Twinkie 😘
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm coelacanth∅:

greetings Mark and all
  6:02pm cArl from providence:

Hey I can’t log on to fb. Does anyone know why?
Avatar 🤖 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonies!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Franco Twinkie:

Shelbynaut!
  6:02pm ShelbyG:

Glistener: me too
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm DanFA:

This is all your fault Mark. Thank you. God bless.
Avatar 6:02pm Neels:

psyched for todays show. Hii eveyrone! :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:02pm Little Danny:

hi Mark, great job smacking down you-know-who today! hi all!
  6:02pm Roland from Australia:

Hello everyone
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm PaulRobeson1920:

Hello friends! Hello music lovers!! Hi Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Baja Joe:

Hi Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Will the Sound Guy:

Hi Mark and all!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm adampsyche:

as someone who works on large distributed systems, they are fragile as all hell and yes gloating is at someone's expense. at the same time, yeah, you need disaster exercises.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm DanFA:

I'm so pumped.
  6:03pm Firebottle:

Funny that the Youtube 60 minutes video is 13:37 in length or "leet" in hackerspeak.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Remember FaceBook 🕯🪦🧨
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm tim from washington:

Hey Mark and everyone!
  6:03pm ShelbyG:

DanFA: cool that you checked it out 👍🏼
Avatar 6:03pm Dave the Spazz:

Hi Mark
What’s new?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Do like this Theme Musics.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark & Tech-gremlins. Today, FB. Tomorrow, Google! Whaddaya say?
Avatar 6:04pm Jeff Moore:

Happy Schadenfreude Day!

"Was just on phone with someone who works for FB who described employees unable to enter buildings this morning to begin to evaluate extent of outage because their badges weren’t working to access doors."

twitter.com...
  6:04pm ohme:

FB has been down all day. I get the feeling Mark will be happy about this! Here is the message: Facebook Will Be Back Soon
Facebook is down for required maintenance right now, but you should be able to get back on within a few minutes. In the meantime, read more about why you're seeing this message. Thanks for your patience as we improve the site.
  6:04pm ShelbyG:

Ken: YES!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Glistener MW:

I think it would actually be quite peaceful and different and expectation-defying if this entire hour of TechTonic were JUST the Tomáš Dvořák theme tune on a loop.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm Webhamster Henry:

If AWS goes down, though, that's really the end of civilization as we pretend to know it.
  6:05pm ShelbyG:

schadenfreude is so apt
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm DanFA:

First Emergency Episode of Techtonic?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Little Danny:

lol @ "Happy Schadenfreude Day!"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It's back.
  6:05pm queems:

i didn’t know what to do without instagram so i started posting photos on my tumblr lollllll
Avatar 6:05pm Jeff Moore:

@Webhamster Henry: including this very page we're on right now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm ultradamno:

Huh. I hadn't noticed. I guess there's an upside of never having cracked a facebook.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm Webhamster Henry:

Also: tomorrow is Steve Jobs' 10 year yahrzeit.
Avatar 6:05pm JW MCCORMACK:

Oh no, it's back.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Blobs:

Mark comin in HOT
Avatar 6:06pm Neels:

nooOoOoOoooOooO!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm listener james from westwood:

Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp . . . all the heads of the Five Families.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm adampsyche:

back for me too
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

Nothing to see here, move along....
  6:06pm ShelbyG:

I’m very glad you are covering this! Really really really.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Mike From Brooklyn:

Congratulations Mark H for taking Facebook down today.
  6:07pm Marci:

It’s baaaack (boo)
Avatar 6:07pm Jeff Moore:

@Mark: any commentary on fragilities / risks related to BGP in general?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

Pledge to WFMU to get Facebook to break again.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Glistener MW:

Postponing the interview is a great idea! Workfriends and I have been hoping all afternoon that you would devote the entire show to today's events. <3
  6:07pm ShelbyG:

listener james: nicely done
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Baja Joe:

Sorry to report, FB is apparently back.
Avatar 6:08pm luca:

it's back...frances haugen, vk & qq still chuckling though
  6:08pm murph:

I guess that they ran out of "move fast"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm coelacanth∅:

but it wont straighten out the government; it wont take down the pharmaceutical/insurance industry; it wont derail the war machine; it wont rectify the imminent water and food shortages. . .
  6:08pm ShelbyG:

ABSOLUTELY NO ACCIDENT
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm dale:

was visiting elderly relatives last week (age 70's to 97) and they use facebook to keep in touch with family. facebook shouldn't be banned into the cornfield. if you wanna retool it i say go for it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Baja Joe:

My Tuna Melt Group just let out a sigh of relief
  6:09pm Erin in TO:

While I don't really do much with facebook, today has been an interesting lesson in how much of my messaging with other people is through Facebook-owned programs
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Mike From Brooklyn:

I used to work in IT infrastructure support. I find the explanation of a faulty DNS update to be quite plausible.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Aaron in Minneapolis:

Here is a little technical explanation: blog.cloudflare.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Otis Fodder:

Evening Mark and Folks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

@queems - Good day to start a scrapbook? (Idea: scrapbook.com!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm dale:

coelacanth - buzzkill.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Feldy:

Hey Otis!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Carmichael:

Heya Aaron! Heya Otis!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm LCBD:

This is going to be a great show!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Thot maybe Suck was aching his chips
...& then hearing the USPS had also been down, I got that 2nd tower being hit feeling...
The NYT just had an op-ed about the whistle blower
...the Pandora leak just exposed world leader corruption - 12 million documents. & the largest conduit of communication went down.
Look squirrel ! (?)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Otis Fodder:

Regular reader of Krebs. Subreddits have been busy today.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Otis Fodder:

Carm & Feld, hey pals.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Webhamster Henry:

There were follow on effects because people use Fb IDs as single sign on in other apps.
  6:11pm Tom on Swans Island Maine:

It’s up for me now
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Carmichael:

Hello, am I on the air? Hello? Turn my radio down?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Franco Twinkie:

Otis! The disaster of the minute got you out of your tree!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

* Zuck was cahsing...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm LCBD:

queems, you made me laugh! Will have to look up your Tumblr!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm coelacanth∅:

dale, yeah -those who face reality never get elected.
wahhhh
  6:11pm ?:

...and they're back!
Facebook & Instagram are back up & running.
  6:12pm queems:

@lcbd i’ll text you the link!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm tayne:

Here's a link to the Krebs post on the Facebook outage: krebsonsecurity.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Otis Fodder:

Now where's that Friendster login at? har har.
Avatar 🤖 6:12pm Bas NL:

Denied by DNS.. has it become conscious?
  6:14pm Carolyn Pittis:

We need to discuss tonight the 60 minutes whistleblower segment last night as a potential catalyst here, as well as any upcoming congressional testimony.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm Erin in TO:

Thanks for this overview of the problem Mark, I didn't know what exactly was happening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm Otis Fodder:

Around 6 hours, a wonderful day.
Avatar 6:14pm Fredericks:

This sounds like a good thing just happened. Am I wrong?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm Otis Fodder:

Following the 60 Minutes report last night too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm adampsyche:

been reported around as well that remote site reliability engineers couldn't log in to fix anything, and that the door security had a circular dependency on the login, so no one could just go "turn it off and on again" quickly
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

So - it was Internal. Right ?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Birdman:

It was the guy who made Friendster. Revenge served cold.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm joe mulligan:

does the FB/IG/WA outage have anything to do with the Frances Haugen whistleblower incident? just spiracy thinking!
Avatar 6:15pm Fredericks:

I suspect I know who did it. It's creative and it is GOOD.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm Erin in TO:

Facebook still isn't running for me, nor is Whatsapp, but Messenger seems to be working again
  6:15pm The Butterman:

They’ll be back running and full of pointless garbage in a couple of hours.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Otis Fodder:

Buy it and forward to WFMU
  6:16pm ?:

OMG HAHAHA
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm dale:

i got a lot of laundry and vacuuming done. made a pot of bean soup. it was a productive day.
  6:16pm queems:

who wants to pool together some money and buy facebook. com
  6:16pm Elle Tor's Husband:

I'm doing the Happy Dance now!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm ultradamno:

Are there coupons?
  6:16pm Horse Puckey:

https://www.whois.com/whois/facebook.com
  6:16pm Torbjørn:

Facebook is back up again, no ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Otis Fodder:

Today was massive.
  6:16pm Firebottle:

This whole thing must be some sort of new P.R. crisis-handling strategy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm DanFA:

How much was it going for? $666
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Webhamster Henry:

I wrote a fun little DNS server that redirected every request to localhost (and logged the real requested address) so that my email server would not accidentally spam my not particularly obfuscated test addresses with messages.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Love the twitter CEO quipped 'How Much' ?
Not that he's a hero...
Avatar 6:16pm Fredericks:

Hey, DanFA, just saw that we are on the same wavelength.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Baja Joe:

Oh Mark, you just did your version of an "Evil Laugh." Hilarious.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm dale:

snakes on a plane?
Avatar 🤖 6:17pm Bas NL:

I'm in, @queems.
  6:17pm Elle Tor's Husband:

Elizabeth Salander strikes again!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm coelacanth∅:

Firebottle, like classic coke?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm DanFA:

@Fredericks, you love to see it.
Avatar 6:17pm Jeff Moore:

Um.

It sounds less like the DNS records were deleted than that the underlying routing providing connections to the DNS (and other!) servers for Facebook went awry. Their DNS servers probably have all the necessary information in them ready to serve, but they got disconnected!
  6:17pm Carolyn Pittis:

Is this a way to distract people from what Frances Haugen said on 60 minutes last night?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm Rich in Washington:

I had no internet all saturday and it made me clean, organize, sort, purge. It felt good.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Birdman:

For real, what are the chances this was just pedal error by some employee?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Mike From Brooklyn:

Large organizations have a network team or teams that manage their DNS records. Their work includes updating those records. We can speculate whether or not a planned update just went wrong (mistakes do actually happen and yes, there are coincidences) or if it was a hack or intentional outage.
  6:18pm Marci:

I’m thinking it was intended internal sabotage
Avatar 6:18pm ShelbyG:

just too many things to be a coincidence
Avatar 6:19pm Neels:

Had to have been internal sabotage. The timing with the 60 minutes interview is too eerie.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Franco Twinkie:

I would not cry if Starbucks vanished.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Glistener MW:

@Carolyn: That was my initial thought too; this downage then becomes the news story, rather than the 60 Minutes interview
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm tim from washington:

Does 60 Mintues have a fb account?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Joke is they were purging the hatespeech & antivaxx poison bullish*t &tc.
...but this is hardly inconspicuous.
Avatar 6:20pm ShelbyG:

twinkie: me either..terrible coffee
Avatar 6:20pm Fredericks:

I had over 100 musical pieces I had created vanish in a hard drive crash. Digital stuff is ephemeral.
  6:20pm Torbjørn:

I wouldn't put all that much meaning on the DNS records being pulled. If they had some internal networking cascading error, typically from some config push, their internal BGP stuff might loose all routes to their backends. Wouldn't be surprised if their systems are such that if no route can found to the backend, DNS records are pulled automatically. Certainly stops the load balancers from having to answer the barrage of retry request.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm DanFA:

@ShelbyG, Starbucks needs to go
Avatar 6:20pm ShelbyG:

mmm hmm Glistener, yup
Avatar 6:20pm Jeff Moore:

I still think that in this case Occam's Razor redirects to Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Avatar 6:21pm Fredericks:

I've never heard Mark so excited! This is great.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Webhamster Henry:

Snopes tries to figure out how much money Fb is losing with this outage.www.snopes.com...
  6:21pm Carolyn Pittis:

If an internal job - FB trying to remind people "what they'll lose" if FB is taken offline?
  6:22pm Tom on Swans Island Maine:

Jeff is right. Mark is going to be very disappointed if some tech just screwed up.
Avatar 6:22pm ShelbyG:

Carolyn: I really would love it if FB went alway...it's just too shady to be good for anybody
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Carolyn interesting angle.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Little Danny:

hope the outage will drive more people to this 60 Minutes interview
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Switchblade Batman:

so about that statement, gonna finish it mArk?
  6:22pm Marci:

@RevRabbit- Precisely!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm Rich in Washington:

I need to watch the 60 min interview online. Otherwise, all those pharma commercials.
Avatar 6:22pm Fredericks:

Is the Wayback Machine going to undo this wonderful occurrence?
Avatar 6:23pm HyperDose:

Dude sounds like Rex's intro haha
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm with Jeff... the fact that any software works is more of a miracle than you think.
Avatar 6:23pm Jeff Moore:

Torbjørn! I hope you're well!
  6:23pm Carolyn Pittis:

Frances Haugen is validating everything Mark has been saying since this show started.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Franco Twinkie:

This is how the dissolution of FB would make me toot a party horn: Where we dwell in San Francisco, would overnight be free of a noxious presence.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:23pm DanFA:

Get rid of them all. Facebook, Twitter, The Gram, snugchat, bumblebee, wuzzle. All the social media apps.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm Rich in Washington:

We're living through a surrealistic Porest album
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm dale:

hyperdose - ed bradley has a fur-lined fallout shelter.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Is this Dave Emory?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm ultradamno:

...and it's skipping
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm coelacanth∅:

that's the same model as youboob
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:25pm Webhamster Henry:

The ol' "reform it from within" thing that kind of doesn't work too well.
  6:25pm Torbjørn:

Hey, Jeff. I'm well, hope you are too. Good to see that WFMU is running well while the Zuckerberg empire is fritzing out.
Avatar 6:26pm ShelbyG:

Mark. Preach.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

To be utterly candid - I'm always on fb (no others - not twitter ...like Mark is)
- & I love what it does for me.
I know it's evil, opaque, profits from contention & social discord - &tc.
That is - I'd like to be a Reformist.
But - it's pretty clear Reform & Incrementalism are *impossible*. Seems to me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm Mike From Brooklyn:

To be clear, I'm not defending Facebook, or suggesting that they would not be capable of doing this intentionally, but I have seen major outages occur as a result of simple, honest mistakes, even if there are systems in place to avoid them.
@Carolyn Pittis - you are not wrong about this outage helping Facebook highlight the benefits of their platform. I recall a few years ago when there was a global Blackberry outage (back when Blackberries were essential for business communication) and their stock price when up immediately after, as investors realized how essential they were.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm Switchblade Batman:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, it's still alive gizmodo.com...
Avatar 6:28pm ShelbyG:

Rev: I have friends all over the world & FB was really instrumental for me to keep in touch with them. There's gotta be a better way. There's no reform here.
Avatar 6:28pm Fredericks:

Emoryesque, Ken of H.P..
  6:28pm Carolyn Pittis:

@mike - ah ha - a stock price boosting strategy as hypothesis
Avatar 6:28pm Laurie H:

Ok, so I'd love to delete my personal FB, but I have to run my business FB page, and as far as I can tell, you have to keep a personal in order to have the business account. :( Any tips on how to do that?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm adampsyche:

what brooklyn mike said; i've seen a global outage for a 1.5 million user-facing QPS service go down due to a missing comma. once you start adding automation to the picture, even more software bugs happen.
  6:29pm The Butterman:

Maybe someone did an internal coal rolling of the server.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm PaulRobeson1920:

Routine, has a strange allure
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm ultradamno:

Priorities twitter.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm coelacanth∅:

Mike, or like when wikipedia (which deserves to be donated to, as i do) takes itself offline for a day to demonstrate how much people use it
Avatar 6:30pm ShelbyG:

SHUT IT DOWN
Avatar 6:30pm HyperDose:

@dale So that's who has been buying the 20yr shelf-life MRE's from the TV commercials. Case closed!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm Webhamster Henry:

Once automated software thinks a misconfiguration is valid, it starts propagating those changes at internet speeds.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:30pm bnowb:

FB is back online.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm LCBD:

queems, wouldn’t it be nice if we could buy it and clean it all up??
Avatar 6:30pm Fredericks:

Let's chuck Zuck!
Avatar 6:31pm ShelbyG:

Fredericks: I'm with you, brother
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm Erin in TO:

@bnowb doesn't seem to be up for everyone. Still down for me and some of my friends. Maybe up in US but not Canada?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm dale:

hyperdose- patriots! along with their tac flashlight and tac glasses and gold coins that will just get them killed when people get wind of it.
  6:32pm murldurlington:

Perlandia
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm Otis Fodder:

Fartbook is indeed back up here.
Avatar 6:33pm ShelbyG:

Mark, do you have an email list? I wanna know what you know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Switchblade Batman:

So much for the call in parts too hunh?
Avatar 6:33pm Jeff Moore:

@Mark: really, it doesn't seem like DNS records at all – it seems like BGP records.

And maybe you're diving a little too enthusiastically into conspiracy thinking (not about the evils of Facebook, but about the origins of this outage).
  6:33pm Jackie G:

when do the phone calls start?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm DanFA:

@ShelbyG he has a newsletter
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Webhamster Henry:

"Something went wrong. We're working on getting it fixed as soon as we can."
  6:34pm Jackie G:

DNS - Do Not Susitate
Avatar 6:34pm slugluv1313:

greetings, Mark! Techtonics!
SO loving this -- thanks so much!
and yes indeed -- upchuck Zuck! :)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Glistener MW:

@ShelbyG: he does! it's here -- creativegood.com...
Avatar 6:34pm ShelbyG:

DanFA: how do I get on it?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Little Danny:

Mark is on fire today, go Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm ultradamno:

"Move fast and break things" is a great slogan for The Haters, but had to end bad for anyone else.
  6:35pm Carolyn Pittis:

Prediction - having a woman be the most public whistleblower on a site that started as a way for men to rate college women is going to embolden the incels and others - this is going to be a part of the story in the following days
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

He / they should be prosecuted. How do you do that to one of the five richest men ever, tho' ? You just don't.
Also - end the Monopolies. Restore Tech & Internet Competition.
No plan for that either.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm DanFA:

Shelby- creativegood.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm Franco Twinkie:

It has a pull cord like a lawnmower, right?
  6:36pm dave d:

fakebook is back online in parts of the U.S.
  6:36pm Jackie G:

breakimg news - Mark not like FB. and stuff like that.
Mark hope FB never comes back
  6:36pm queems:

i just feel bad for my friends who use instagram/facebook for their small businesses
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm disco_nap_:

Whoa coming to this conversation halfway-through…just now learning this was the work of hackers…
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Rich in Washington:

Let's just go back to Mail Art and printed zines.
Avatar 6:37pm ShelbyG:

FB & all were out in the UK as well. My husband said it was out most of the day.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

JackieG: It did occur to me Zuck is past it. What's in it for him by now ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:37pm Franco Twinkie:

Rich, my feelings exactly!
  6:37pm Jesse G:

You’re on fire!!! I love this
Avatar 6:37pm ShelbyG:

God love you, Mark.
Avatar 6:38pm ARB:

quit quit quit quit
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm LCBD:

Mark, tell us again how to delete FB and IG!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm DanFA:

Mark is the Howard Beale of tech.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Blobs:

Preach!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Birdman:

I don't even work at Facebook but I'm thinking about quitting my job anyway after this plea
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm PaulRobeson1920:

Why! why Oh why!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm WR:

Burt Lancaster will play Mark Hurst in the movie version.
  6:38pm Marci:

Preach!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Webhamster Henry:

ARB are you doing a facebook show too?
  6:39pm Roland from Australia:

Preach it Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm DanFA:

@WR, Burt Lancaster can't play Mark. He dead.
Avatar 6:39pm ARB:

Not this evening at least, also I've never used it
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm disco_nap_:

I feel obligated to use FB and IG as a freelancer/small business owner. Really wish I didn’t need that “free” marketing :(
  6:39pm moontana:

I'm looking forward to ARB so I can calm down a bit. Mark is getting a bit shrill.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm bnowb:

hate for profit model
Enough said, Delete it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm Otis Fodder:

Facebook is so dumb. Keeping my own domains to post stuff always.
  6:40pm Kat:

is this going to be a rant the whole show?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm LCBD:

Mark, I applaud your sarcasm and enthusiasm! This show is FANTASTIC!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Webhamster Henry:

Mark doesn't have to shut down Google Plus because it died years ago.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Otis Fodder:

Ditto there. Rant on Mark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm dale:

what's happening with the underwater microphone sound lately over the mount hope signal?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Otis Fodder:

Ha, Google+
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park:

There is this site: www.deletefacebook.com
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm admiral crisp:

@dale, idk but I kinda dig it
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm adampsyche:

i miss google reader
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Glistener MW:

@JakeGould & all: There actually has been an awesome and independently-owned/maintained Geocities(-esque) revival for the past few years, via "Neocities"! :) Check it out here! - neocities.org
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Franco Twinkie:

Poster renaissancne coming right up!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm DjLorraine:

Kusher met with Zuck
  6:41pm Carolyn Pittis:

The lead here is Frances, not the DNS suspected issue. Even though she came from Google and joined FB, she still did what no one else managed to do -- she got the evidence and then she got out and talked about it. Change happens by changing norms and continual nudges, and the cold turkey quit is only one method of combating the bad algorithms -- how about a campaign to encourage people to join mewe? so they can have alternatives.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:41pm Otis Fodder:

Following FB and IG.. Twitter after.
  6:42pm Listener Robert:

So I'm not imagining it, huh, dale? Nor is it local interference as I'd thought.
  6:42pm miss kitty Catskill:

Hallelujah praise be
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

It started with User Groups to connect on the Internet
- & now it all has to be thru three of five Monoplies.
Man have they ever stolen ice from eskimos & sold it back to them.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

You can actually download your entire Facebook content, which is kind of enlightening.
  6:42pm queems:

oh god here we go
Avatar 6:42pm slugluv1313:

@disco_nap_ -- agreed, i was thinking of those i know who have small businesses -- there has GOT to be a better way
  6:42pm carrots:

spitting fire ! yeah boy!!
  6:43pm miss kitty Catskill:

I just saw a golems eagle fly low overhead reminding me of the presence of god in our TRUE selves
  6:43pm carrots:

Know it All!! spittin fire too!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm bnowb:

imagine that.
I LOVE PETER!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Franco Twinkie:

That is so great Peter!
  6:43pm Jackie G:

ZuckerSludge is the worst. No amount of soaking and scrubbing will get that sludge out.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm LCBD:

Peter, thank you!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Ignore Function:

Didn't hear about the outage until just now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Rich in Washington:

I work For TDSCorp™️.
  6:43pm miss kitty Catskill:

PA not catholic but am a true believer in humans
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm coelacanth∅:

right on Peter!
Avatar 6:44pm ShelbyG:

wow
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm Glistener MW:

"If you can see, why would you spend it looking at Facebook" -- SO well said. Thank you for that, Peter!!
  6:44pm carrots:

bnowb ! Peter is a cool dude!
  6:44pm Roland from Australia:

Apparently their swap cars aren’t working either, so they can’t even get into some of their own server buildings?
  Swag For Life Member 6:45pm alexapharm:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but ZuckBook is back online
  6:45pm miss kitty Catskill:

I tried to delete my account on fartbook 6 years ago they won’t remove it prolly bc I’m lower class
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm DjLorraine:

Kushner ^
  6:45pm miss kitty Catskill:

And yes about godgle it’s a disaster to truth telling
  6:46pm Roland from Australia:

Swipe Cards / Access cards
Avatar 6:46pm Fredericks:

How does Peter in Tampa listen to WFMU without a computer? I want his radio.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Franco Twinkie:

Floats stuff to the top, like a toilet?
  6:47pm Carolyn Pittis:

@fredericks true that
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Seriously - for being one of the wealthiest Co.s in History & the Largest Publisher Ever
...they sure do a user-unfriendly job for a Platform.
  6:47pm Jackie G:

Berkeley Heights!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm joe mulligan:

I could go without FB or IG except for the way I use facebook as a "white pages" meaning it's the only way I contact people who's phone number I don't know. I hate FB and want to quit but I can't get the number of an acquaintance I need to reconnect. suggestions?
  6:48pm queems:

true for instagram- once i got stuck in a loop of looking at rhinoplasty accounts because the algorithm kept showing me more and i kept clicking on them
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Webhamster Henry:

Some people only message me through Fb Messenger, which is super annoying.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm Erin in TO:

Mark - thanks for your rant, I needed that. I've listened a long time but have been lazy about staying in my comfort zone. Now I'm asking myself what is wrong with me that I can't bother to make changes to my online life, and I'm going to take some action on that now
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm DanFA:

If you call in does it just keep ringing?
  6:49pm Jackie G:

Madison, NJ ! Hurray!
Avatar 6:49pm slugluv1313:

initially i LOVED FB -- as an activist, it was really useful for doing outreach, etc. -- and of course, keeping in touch with friends who live really far away . . . but again, there has GOT to be a better way! (and i am old enough to remember what it was like to write actual letters! that you would put in the mail! and people would write back to you!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm bnowb:

Does anyone know of a FB alternative?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm Little Danny:

LOL queems we've all gotten stuck in a plasty loop at some point, every one of us
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm efd:

@Fredericks I don't know if this is what Peter in Tampa has, but there are standalone internet radios like this one: www.crutchfield.com... (my Mom has one)
  6:49pm Listener Robert:

Oh, yeah, Webhamster, it's a real PITA. More steps and less reliable than e-mail.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I reckon Humanity - Homo sapiens - has a serious Quantity vs. Quality problem in the broadest terms.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm efd:

A+ work on the phones, Mark!
  6:50pm Old Dave:

Our kids wouldn't be caught dead using FB, pointed out its flaws to us years ago.
There's hope, Mark!
Avatar 6:50pm Neels:

I hate Facebook, but its a free way to gain marketing. Alternatives are tough to come by at that price.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm joe mulligan:

@bnowb some people are using LinkedIn more socially but LI might not be good either
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:50pm listener james from westwood:

Huh, there's a listener james from west orange, too! We differ on FB, tho'.
  6:51pm Jackie G:

NJ !!! Now West Orange !
  6:51pm queems:

@little danny THANK YOU so glad to know it’s not just me
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm JeremyB:

Get the rest of WFMU off facebook!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm coelacanth∅:

that's a fairly absurd analogy.
  6:51pm Carolyn Pittis:

For those of you still on FB - if you need to be on the platform for business reasons -- be aware that there is one-day logout campaign scheduled for 11/10/21 - check out the website here: https://thefacebooklogout.com/about/
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm bnowb:

Thanks Joe.. I was wondering what alternatives there must be.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm Little Danny:

we should probably form a support group queems
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Franco Twinkie:

Stock up on spray paint, the writings on the wall.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Webhamster Henry:

If you must use Fb do nottttt use their apps, use a web browser and clear that cache as much as possible. And do not use your real name, fer heaven's sake.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm joe mulligan:

years ago I thought that private and niche-based social networks would become more popular, i.e. telling everyone your status and where you are will become more and more dangerous in a surveillance society.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm DjLorraine:

Birdman 6:15 haha
Avatar 6:53pm Neels:

@Carolyn thanks for sharing!
  6:53pm Carolyn Pittis:

@neels read "How Change Happens" by Cass Sunstein - the change is happening in front of us
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm listener james from westwood:

Oh, FFS, NPR is Koch funded.
Avatar 6:53pm ARB:

Mark recommends Mastodon for social media on his website goodreports.com I've never used it, I spend too much time here on WFMU for anything else
  6:53pm ardalala:

Does anyone know an alternative to Google classroom? My kids elementary school has been using it since Covid
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm joe mulligan:

so people would be willing to leave the public social media platforms and focus more on ones like the wfmu comments board.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm adampsyche:

BB EDIT
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

There are Laws against cold calling & harassing people. Prank calls are not what the Phone Co. profits from.
But Zuck does profit from destabilizing & toxifying Society - whatever else it does (which I use constantly). & this one man is unassailable from business Competition - or from Litigation. Because money rules.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm coelacanth∅:

does wfmu still monetarily support amazon by linking with it?
Avatar 6:54pm ShelbyG:

NPR also gets money from FB
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Glistener MW:

I'm really hoping Mastodon the social media platform was started / is maintained by Mastodon the band.
  6:54pm Jackie G:

NPR really sucks; aka WNYC.
  6:55pm Jesse G:

I’ve been a casual listener before, but now I AM CONVERT. Mark you are ripping it up! I feel like I’m watching. Tesoro.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Vanessa bikes:

great show Mark! I'm so glad you are there waving this flag. I haven't used FB in 2021, I blocked everything on it, and I had a plan to delete it for 2022, but maybe I will go ahead and delete it when it's available. Plus just want to say I preach to every young and old mind I can, most agree, but few are ready to make the cut.. I'll keep preaching. this is so important!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Webhamster Henry:

WAMC is even worse than WNYC.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm joe mulligan:

I kind of like Slack - I am part of a bicycle group that's very chatty and friendly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Asheville Jon:

TAYLOR HAM!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Glistener MW:

I pledged $10! Thanks for this past hour, Mark
  6:55pm Carolyn Pittis:

@mark - we need to do another show on alternatives - all the solutions people can use to do tasks, connect that are outside the FB and Google ecosystem - we need to help people with alternatives - we need "the patch' for people that can't quit cold turkey!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Otis Fodder:

Thanks Mark for capping off the afternoon today with this show on the outages. Hat tip sir.
Avatar 6:56pm Neels:

Thank you Mark!! ^^
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm DjLorraine:

Nice to see 60 minutes come thru like the ole days
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm joe mulligan:

Way to go Mark, great preach tonight and don't ever change!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Stillwell Coney Islander:

Thank you Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Webhamster Henry:

Mark! You don't have a pledge badge?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm admiral crisp:

i need that green shirt
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm LCBD:

Mark, thank you for putting the final nail in my IG account. I’m deleting it. I appreciate Peter’s call in too. I had a better day today without IG!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Franco Twinkie:

Top shelf radio Mark!
Avatar 🤖 6:56pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 6:56pm slugluv1313:

excellent show, Mark -- thanks so much!
Avatar 6:57pm ShelbyG:

Mark! Wonderful show...thank you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Rich in Washington:

What are all these 'like' endorphine junkies going to do today?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Glistener MW:

@Carolyn: I agree, that's a great idea. I believe it's a topic he's covered a while ago, but I'd love to see an updated episode entirely devoted to just opensource online alternatives for specific kinds of social interactions / planning / etc (such as the aforementioned retro-style opensource website platform, Neocities!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Rich in Washington:

Thanks Mark!
  6:57pm yippie:

http://thebookofface.com/
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Little Danny:

thank you Mark, you were in incredible form this evening!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm DjLorraine:

But maybe they are activating their unbalanced followers
Avatar 6:57pm HyperDose:

Thanks Mark, this was a fantastic hour.
Avatar 6:57pm Fredericks:

IgFunc!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark. Maybe this is the beginning of the end.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm tim from washington:

Thanks Mark! You're tilting the scale!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

~ TY Always MH. Necessary Medicine tonight. ~
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920:

Confederate flag represents the “Corner Stone Speech”- March 1961
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm dale:

people my like wheelbarrows full of cash - you don't know...
Avatar 6:58pm ARB:

Loved this entirely present episode thank you Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm PaulRobeson1920:

March 1861*
  6:58pm Andres:

Bravo, Mark!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm herb.nyc:

Nicely done, mark. Thank you!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm listener james from westwood:

Many thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Ignore Function:

FONPR!
  6:59pm yippie:

lets get the voodoo clubhouse off the book of face
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm PaulRobeson1920:

Thank you Mark
Avatar 6:59pm ARB:

www.wfmu.org... music to write resignation emails by over here
  6:59pm Carolyn Pittis:

Glass half full Mark - Frances came forward! It is more than tens of thousands of other people have done over well more than a decadie. We need to give people specific alternatives to help them quit!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Mike From Brooklyn:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm TheRealMattClarke:

GREAT SHOW MARK
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm Erin in TO:

Thank you so much for this show Mark, you're doing important work
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm chresti:

Maybe Peter has a satellite?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm coelacanth∅:

"leaking" such information in a situation such as this should be 100% legal and protected by law.
  7:02pm ohme:

Fun fact: The founder of Signal app (a non-profit) is the founder of WhatsApp, and he considers this his penance for selling out to Zuck.
  7:08pm WFMU Best in the world:

Great show
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 10:52pm Ciggy:

It's ironic that I found today's episode from a WFMU facebook post. Great show!
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