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Favoriting August 23, 2021: Shannon Mattern, author, "A City Is Not a Computer"

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Today: Shannon Mattern, author, "A City Is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences"

Links:

A City Is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences - available at Princeton University Press with 30% discount using discount code ACNC.

• @shannonmattern (Twitter)

wordsinspace.net, Mattern's site where she posts most of her publications and course materials, and upcoming events.

Mattern's original Places Journal article (February 2017) arguing that "a city is not a computer."

Wired magazine review of Mattern's book (Aug 10, 2021)

Starbucks customer gets drink order delivered via flying drone (Insider, July 27, 2021): the dystopian vision gets demo'd

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  Shannon Mattern, author, "A City Is Not a Computer"


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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtontitty Planners!
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listener james from westwood:

Howdy, Mark and all!
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ARB:

Hallo Mark and Shannon and other kindred spirits!
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DjLorraine:

Hi friends. Traveling thru some states the rest areas had signs that said they were monitoring. Not so restful areas.
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tim from washington:

Hey Mark! Hello Tech Tockers!
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WR:

Double Dip Techtonic!
  6:02pm
P-90:

This episode was listed in “Upcoming Special Programs” so I expect it to be really special.
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark! more music this week? I can get yer link. www.wfmu.org...
  6:03pm
P-90:

Mark gets my vote for “DDR Regular Guest Host”
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtocrats!
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TDK60:

Hi Mark.
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HyperDose:

Plugged in!
  6:06pm
P-90:

“versioning” -a verb for the 21st century
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Sounds like a similar plan is going on in Poughkeepsie - www.poughkeepsiejournal.com... ("Uncharted Power turning Poughkeepsie to a smart city through sidewalks, roads, tech")
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Must always be New Versions - & never retro-compatible of course. & always for their own sake.
  6:09pm
P-90:

Wait, you mean Google has never disclosed all of the capabilities of those LinkNYC kiosks? It’s a secret?
  6:10pm
headcleaner:

Fun medium post from 2019: "Keep your internet off my things" - medium.com...
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jeanli:

YAY SHANNON!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Connected ones!
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Mark Hurst:

@ultra @james @ARB @Lorraine @Tim @WR @P-90 @Webham @KfHP @TDK60 @HyperDose @RevRabbit @headcleaner @jean @Bas hi hi hi hi!! Thanks for joining!
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ultradamno:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments waiting to be computed
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Webhamster Henry:

I'm a HUGE Christopher Alexander fan .
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Mark Hurst:

@P-90 it's true, one of the docs acquired about LinkNYC mentioned dozens of sensors, but (beyond a few, like a wifi sniffer) the public has never found out what all of them are. AFAIK there's not yet been a privacy audit, either (a point that came up a couple of years in the NY state legislature, if I remember right).
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

ultrad - I prefer to consider myself more of a RepliCan than a Replicant...
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ultradamno:

Way to see the electric sheep as half charged!
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Monoculture. Here we go again being the exact reverse of the Decentralized & personally empowering society computers & the interwebz were going to bring us...
  6:19pm
Androu B.:

Greets, Techheads!

Any product with the word "smart" attached to it can have subliminally treacherous purposes integrated into it, with the exception of general use products such as batteries or phone cases.

@P-90

That shouldn't be a surprise to you by now after all that Mark has already reported about Google's affairs so far.
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Mark Hurst:

I love that detail, that Hudson Yards had to force the trees to grow their roots horizontally, rather than vertically like normal trees. I'm sure the trees were delighted.
  6:19pm
headcleaner:

"Computation" is indeed omnipresent in nature, but it's just another physical process - like thermodynamics. or the basic physical laws of chemistry. So to say that "everything is computation" is just as vacuous as saying "everything is thermodynamics".
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Bas NL:

Smart soil...
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Carmichael:

"It is what it is." My favorite non-statement.
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Richy4619:

I have been greatly disturbed by the continuous use of my neighborhood in San Francisco as a training ground for Google's self-driving vehicle project (Waymo). Their cars are EVERYWHERE. It is particularly spooky to observe them driving through our empty streets late at night.
  6:21pm
yippie:

thats why the tallest bike in the world is called STOOPIDTALLER
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Smart BS™
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Megaroni:

Not surprising to connect that Sidewalk Labs has their office in that soulless part of town
  6:25pm
yippie:

is it smart or is it resmarted?
  6:27pm
Marci:

I’m glad to say I have never set foot anywhere near HY- yet I can’t avoid those sidewalk surveillance kiosks
  6:29pm
Whoopsy:

Hudson Yards also has that sculpture that draws suicides
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jeanli:

Ok that is SO HUNGER GAMES.
  6:29pm
yippie:

and the escalator is overlong!
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Bas NL:

Resistance is futile. You are one of us.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

What are you saying ...the Borg is not Transparent & OptIn ?!? Man are you a Subversive.
  6:31pm
yippie:

but the architect has a cute haircut
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tim from washington:

That type of convenience sounds so hectic. It's fine to be habituated but it's really scary thinking about forcing the hand of habituation.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

What Are People For
  6:32pm
hoohoo:

All needs anticipated and provided for. A future only a consumer pod person would love.
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jeanli:

Eliminate Friction, ha. F-R-I-C-TION!
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tim from washington:

Bjorn Borg is transparent? No wonder he was a tennis whiz.
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Bas NL:

Borg is inclusive!
  6:34pm
Micheal:

Hudson Yards is for people who would otherwise be living in Kansas City, Minneapolis or some other second-tier city. It ain’t New York.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Let's say all I wanted was a Pepsi. Would the drone give it to me?
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Carmichael:

And that's when Skynet became aware.
  6:36pm
Eya Wacity:

As a librarian, it's nice to see someone acknowledge what's possible
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jeanli:

YAY Libraries
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Mark Hurst:

@Eya welcome!
  6:37pm
yippie:

the drones gonna shoot the pepsi in your nose
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Libraries are familiar w/ dealing w/ civili rights & free speech issues.
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Bas NL:

Books are futile. Google will service us.
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tim from washington:

As a public library employee and who is not a librarian, I think Shannon captured very accurately what is happening in libraries and discussions about the mission of libraries.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Wait, isn't Amazon out to corner the market on book delivery?
  6:40pm
yippie:

you can ask the ants living in los angeles where you can pepsi in aluminum or glass
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tim from washington:

"and who is not a librarian" I mean that I'm not a librarian.
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WR:

Right, @6:39 @Bas NL, Google has already started trying to obstruct libraries access to digital rights for publications.
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WR:

Oops, I meant to say that about Amazon.
  6:45pm
Eya Wacity:

There's actually a lot of bullshit gatekeeping in the profession of librarianship. The credential (MLIS) is expensive and the holders can be insecure. All library workers are essential
  6:45pm
Androu B.:

The very reason I never bought into all the hype over iPhone.
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Bas NL:

In our university all publications are entered in a commercial, payed database. If not entered it is not counted as a publication by the university.
  6:47pm
kevlicki:

Hi mark and all. Late to the party. Wearing my techtonic sign off shirt today
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Carmichael:

Dang Tim, I had so many Dewey Decimal questions ....
  6:49pm
Eya Wacity.:

That sucks, Bas. Especially when there are so many non-commercial repositories available for archiving and public dissemination
  6:50pm
Roland from Australia:

I very much like the idea’s around libraries, forward thinking for sure, very much highlighting the inadequacies of big tech.
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Folsom:

uh oh, Mark is conjuring poster Bigfoot
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Bas NL:

@Eya Wacity It has generated a lot of discussion; especially with PhDs. They need to pay for the database to give proof of their publications.
  6:52pm
Roland from Australia:

@kevlicky nice shirt 👕 I where mine often.
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DjLorraine:

Thank you Mark Hurst and Shannon Mattern
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tim from washington:

@Carmichael - who's Dewey Decimal? Never heard of the guy? ;)
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coelacanth∅:

i've never seen these gobble kiosks. can they be reached with paint rollers?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY As Ever
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tim from washington:

Thanks, Mark and Shannon. I'm going to put in a purchase request for Shannon book at my library.
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listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Shannon!
  6:55pm
Androu B.:

Heading off to PLU now. Bye all!
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ultradamno:

I would hope the high rise is soulless
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Richy4619:

Nice, Tim! Direct impactful action. Power to the library assistants!
  6:55pm
Roland from Australia:

Hey there is still five minutes!!! Keep talking :) love the show!!!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I likely won't visit NYC for a few months. Is there a Hudson Yards app I could install?
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Greg from ZONE 5:

Thanks Mark!
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People Like Us:

thanks Mark!
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coelacanth∅:

but i like the idea that for a moment a drone would be within reach, to be pulled down and stomped into the sidewalk -before pouring shitty starfucks coffee into it
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Jeff Moore:

"Enjoyed" is a funny word, isn't it?
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listener james from westwood:

When I first heard Ziggy's track here I thought it was about that British sci-fi series from the ’70s.
  6:58pm
Eya Wacity:

@Bas. Ed tech surveillance is the fucking worst
  6:59pm
headcleaner:

Or get out of your chair and patronize your local independent (and hopefully decades-old) coffee shop!
  6:59pm
Androu B.:

Btw, today marks the 10th anniversary of the Virginia earthquake felt all around the East Coast and Midwest.
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listener james from westwood:

They're still repairing a cathedral in DC damaged in that quake! Unreal.
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Bas NL:

@Eya Wacity The lesson is you can succeed in science if you pay through your nose..
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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WR:

thank you Mark!
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