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Options August 23, 2021: Shannon Mattern, author, "A City Is Not a Computer"

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Today: Shannon Mattern, author, "A City Is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences"

Links:

• A City Is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences - available at Princeton University Press with 30% discount using discount code ACNC.

• @shannonmattern (Twitter)

• wordsinspace.net, Mattern's site where she posts most of her publications and course materials, and upcoming events.

• Mattern's original Places Journal article (February 2017) arguing that "a city is not a computer."

• Wired magazine review of Mattern's book (Aug 10, 2021)

• Starbucks customer gets drink order delivered via flying drone (Insider, July 27, 2021): the dystopian vision gets demo'd

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  Shannon Mattern, author, "A City Is Not a Computer"


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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtontitty Planners!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:01pm listener james from westwood:

Howdy, Mark and all!
Avatar ♥ 6:01pm ARB:

Hallo Mark and Shannon and other kindred spirits!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm DjLorraine:

Hi friends. Traveling thru some states the rest areas had signs that said they were monitoring. Not so restful areas.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm tim from washington:

Hey Mark! Hello Tech Tockers!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:02pm WR:

Double Dip Techtonic!
  6:02pm P-90:

This episode was listed in “Upcoming Special Programs” so I expect it to be really special.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark! more music this week? I can get yer link. www.wfmu.org...
  6:03pm P-90:

Mark gets my vote for “DDR Regular Guest Host”
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtocrats!
Avatar ♥ 6:05pm TDK60:

Hi Mark.
Avatar ♥ 6:06pm HyperDose:

Plugged in!
  6:06pm P-90:

“versioning” -a verb for the 21st century
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Sounds like a similar plan is going on in Poughkeepsie - www.poughkeepsiejournal.com... ("Uncharted Power turning Poughkeepsie to a smart city through sidewalks, roads, tech")
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Must always be New Versions - & never retro-compatible of course. & always for their own sake.
  6:09pm P-90:

Wait, you mean Google has never disclosed all of the capabilities of those LinkNYC kiosks? It’s a secret?
  6:10pm headcleaner:

Fun medium post from 2019: "Keep your internet off my things" - medium.com...
Avatar 6:11pm jeanli:

YAY SHANNON!
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Connected ones!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:14pm Mark Hurst:

@ultra @james @ARB @Lorraine @Tim @WR @P-90 @Webham @KfHP @TDK60 @HyperDose @RevRabbit @headcleaner @jean @Bas hi hi hi hi!! Thanks for joining!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm ultradamno:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments waiting to be computed
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm a HUGE Christopher Alexander fan .
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:15pm Mark Hurst:

@P-90 it's true, one of the docs acquired about LinkNYC mentioned dozens of sensors, but (beyond a few, like a wifi sniffer) the public has never found out what all of them are. AFAIK there's not yet been a privacy audit, either (a point that came up a couple of years in the NY state legislature, if I remember right).
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:16pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

ultrad - I prefer to consider myself more of a RepliCan than a Replicant...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm ultradamno:

Way to see the electric sheep as half charged!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Monoculture. Here we go again being the exact reverse of the Decentralized & personally empowering society computers & the interwebz were going to bring us...
  6:19pm Androu B.:

Greets, Techheads!

Any product with the word "smart" attached to it can have subliminally treacherous purposes integrated into it, with the exception of general use products such as batteries or phone cases.

@P-90

That shouldn't be a surprise to you by now after all that Mark has already reported about Google's affairs so far.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:19pm Mark Hurst:

I love that detail, that Hudson Yards had to force the trees to grow their roots horizontally, rather than vertically like normal trees. I'm sure the trees were delighted.
  6:19pm headcleaner:

"Computation" is indeed omnipresent in nature, but it's just another physical process - like thermodynamics. or the basic physical laws of chemistry. So to say that "everything is computation" is just as vacuous as saying "everything is thermodynamics".
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Bas NL:

Smart soil...
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:20pm Carmichael:

"It is what it is." My favorite non-statement.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm Richy4619:

I have been greatly disturbed by the continuous use of my neighborhood in San Francisco as a training ground for Google's self-driving vehicle project (Waymo). Their cars are EVERYWHERE. It is particularly spooky to observe them driving through our empty streets late at night.
  6:21pm yippie:

thats why the tallest bike in the world is called STOOPIDTALLER
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:21pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Smart BS™
Avatar 6:23pm Megaroni:

Not surprising to connect that Sidewalk Labs has their office in that soulless part of town
  6:25pm yippie:

is it smart or is it resmarted?
  6:27pm Marci:

I’m glad to say I have never set foot anywhere near HY- yet I can’t avoid those sidewalk surveillance kiosks
  6:29pm Whoopsy:

Hudson Yards also has that sculpture that draws suicides
Avatar 6:29pm jeanli:

Ok that is SO HUNGER GAMES.
  6:29pm yippie:

and the escalator is overlong!
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:30pm Bas NL:

Resistance is futile. You are one of us.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

What are you saying ...the Borg is not Transparent & OptIn ?!? Man are you a Subversive.
  6:31pm yippie:

but the architect has a cute haircut
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:31pm tim from washington:

That type of convenience sounds so hectic. It's fine to be habituated but it's really scary thinking about forcing the hand of habituation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

What Are People For
  6:32pm hoohoo:

All needs anticipated and provided for. A future only a consumer pod person would love.
Avatar 6:33pm jeanli:

Eliminate Friction, ha. F-R-I-C-TION!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:33pm tim from washington:

Bjorn Borg is transparent? No wonder he was a tennis whiz.
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:33pm Bas NL:

Borg is inclusive!
  6:34pm Micheal:

Hudson Yards is for people who would otherwise be living in Kansas City, Minneapolis or some other second-tier city. It ain’t New York.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:35pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Let's say all I wanted was a Pepsi. Would the drone give it to me?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:36pm Carmichael:

And that's when Skynet became aware.
  6:36pm Eya Wacity:

As a librarian, it's nice to see someone acknowledge what's possible
Avatar 6:36pm jeanli:

YAY Libraries
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:36pm Mark Hurst:

@Eya welcome!
  6:37pm yippie:

the drones gonna shoot the pepsi in your nose
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Libraries are familiar w/ dealing w/ civili rights & free speech issues.
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:39pm Bas NL:

Books are futile. Google will service us.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:39pm tim from washington:

As a public library employee and who is not a librarian, I think Shannon captured very accurately what is happening in libraries and discussions about the mission of libraries.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Wait, isn't Amazon out to corner the market on book delivery?
  6:40pm yippie:

you can ask the ants living in los angeles where you can pepsi in aluminum or glass
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:41pm tim from washington:

"and who is not a librarian" I mean that I'm not a librarian.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:42pm WR:

Right, @6:39 @Bas NL, Google has already started trying to obstruct libraries access to digital rights for publications.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:42pm WR:

Oops, I meant to say that about Amazon.
  6:45pm Eya Wacity:

There's actually a lot of bullshit gatekeeping in the profession of librarianship. The credential (MLIS) is expensive and the holders can be insecure. All library workers are essential
  6:45pm Androu B.:

The very reason I never bought into all the hype over iPhone.
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:45pm Bas NL:

In our university all publications are entered in a commercial, payed database. If not entered it is not counted as a publication by the university.
  6:47pm kevlicki:

Hi mark and all. Late to the party. Wearing my techtonic sign off shirt today
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:48pm Carmichael:

Dang Tim, I had so many Dewey Decimal questions ....
  6:49pm Eya Wacity.:

That sucks, Bas. Especially when there are so many non-commercial repositories available for archiving and public dissemination
  6:50pm Roland from Australia:

I very much like the idea’s around libraries, forward thinking for sure, very much highlighting the inadequacies of big tech.
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:51pm Folsom:

uh oh, Mark is conjuring poster Bigfoot
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:51pm Bas NL:

@Eya Wacity It has generated a lot of discussion; especially with PhDs. They need to pay for the database to give proof of their publications.
  6:52pm Roland from Australia:

@kevlicky nice shirt 👕 I where mine often.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:53pm DjLorraine:

Thank you Mark Hurst and Shannon Mattern
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:53pm tim from washington:

@Carmichael - who's Dewey Decimal? Never heard of the guy? ;)
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:53pm coelacanth∅:

i've never seen these gobble kiosks. can they be reached with paint rollers?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

TY As Ever
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm tim from washington:

Thanks, Mark and Shannon. I'm going to put in a purchase request for Shannon book at my library.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:54pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 6:55pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Shannon!
  6:55pm Androu B.:

Heading off to PLU now. Bye all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm ultradamno:

I would hope the high rise is soulless
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Richy4619:

Nice, Tim! Direct impactful action. Power to the library assistants!
  6:55pm Roland from Australia:

Hey there is still five minutes!!! Keep talking :) love the show!!!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:55pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I likely won't visit NYC for a few months. Is there a Hudson Yards app I could install?
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm Greg from ZONE 5:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm People Like Us:

thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:56pm coelacanth∅:

but i like the idea that for a moment a drone would be within reach, to be pulled down and stomped into the sidewalk -before pouring shitty starfucks coffee into it
Avatar ♥ 6:57pm Jeff Moore:

"Enjoyed" is a funny word, isn't it?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:57pm listener james from westwood:

When I first heard Ziggy's track here I thought it was about that British sci-fi series from the ’70s.
  6:58pm Eya Wacity:

@Bas. Ed tech surveillance is the fucking worst
  6:59pm headcleaner:

Or get out of your chair and patronize your local independent (and hopefully decades-old) coffee shop!
  6:59pm Androu B.:

Btw, today marks the 10th anniversary of the Virginia earthquake felt all around the East Coast and Midwest.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm listener james from westwood:

They're still repairing a cathedral in DC damaged in that quake! Unreal.
Avatar 🤖 ♥ 7:00pm Bas NL:

@Eya Wacity The lesson is you can succeed in science if you pay through your nose..
Avatar Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:01pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:04pm WR:

thank you Mark!
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