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Options April 19, 2021: Bob Ostertag, musician and author, "Facebooking the Anthropocene in Raja Ampat"

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Tonight: Bob Ostertag, musician and author, "Facebooking the Anthropocene in Raja Ampat: Technics and Civilization in the 21st Century"

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Facebooking the Anthropocene in Raja Ampat: Technics and Civilization in the 21st Century, by Bob Ostertag, published by PM Press. (Use coupon code ANTHROPOCENE for 20% off.) Listeners in the UK: Use this UK link for the ebook.

Bob Ostertag's author bio on the PM Press website

bobostertag.com, Bob's website: "Composer, performer, historian, instrument builder, journalist, activist, kayak instructor, Bob Ostertag’s work cannot easily be summarized or pigeon-holed. He has published a feature film, seven books, more than twenty CDs of music, and one DVD, and was an original member of the media guerrilla group The Yes Men. His radically diverse collaborators include the Kronos Quartet, postmodernist John Zorn, heavy metal star Mike Patton, transgender cabaret start Justin Vivian Bond, British guitar innovator Fred Frith, Quebecois film maker Pierre Hébert, EDM star Rrose, and many others."

Bob Ostertag on Bandcamp

What's Been Done and What's Been Won, Bob's podcast, with cohost Maureen Taylor

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  Bob Ostertag discusses his new book "Facebooking the Anthropocene in Raja Ampat."
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  Interview with Bob Ostertag      
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Bob Ostertag  w00t   Options w00t  A collage of computer game sound and image, composed entirely from fragments of music from computer games. (See more) 
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Bob Ostertag  Machine State, No. 1   Options Bob Ostertag Plays the Aalto   
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:00pm ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonobalists!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:01pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtodactyls!
  6:01pm David in London:

Evening Technoids. Salutations Mr Hurst.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Mark! I'm so relieved you're alive! I convinced myself that Station Manager Ken kidnapped you to try to completed a transplant of his head to your body or visa versa. Welcome back!
Avatar 6:03pm Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonopocenes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon Drives!

Shoot, I gotta pour the Techgin ASAP.

I'll go on the record now as being on the team that preferrsthe "Capitalocene" so as to specify precisely who is responsible for the planetary changes and make it clear that it was not done in the name of or with the consent of the species.

But all that aside, looking forward to the show as the one person in every crowd who never has a cell phone, let alone a smartphone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm DjLorraine:

YES
  6:04pm headcleaner:

your jingle makes me so happy, mark... and now we're getting the extended remix!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm DjLorraine:

The Yes Men, omg
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Rich in Washington:

The theme feels like someone pouring coffee directly into my brain-hole. YAY!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm chresti:

Hi Mark and Bob and techtonians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm ultradamno:

Maybe the transplant procedure is ongoing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm melinda:

Is anyone else having problems with the pop-up player?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Mark needs a couple minutes to get his head on straight.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Hi Mark, I'm not hearing you on the mic.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

Uh oh Facebook, Google, Twitter, Amazon et all have cancelled Mark!
  6:07pm hoeg:

and technotarians...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Rand al'Thor:

An intro so good they played it twice.
Evening, all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Oh no! Maybe my fears have come true about Mark and the head transplant!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

Or: MARK YOU'RE ON MUTE! <tm Zoom>
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm Handy Haversack:

Tim, no proof yet!
Avatar 6:08pm Bas NL:

MARK!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm -Ken:

Mark can speak when I plug the RCA cord into his tray
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm mndave:

Mark, it's the sand-colored button on the right of the CompuRhythm CR-68. you got this!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

Or, just push Bossa Nova, it rocks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm ultradamno:

This is such a conceptual episode
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

This is Mark or AI Mark? How can we tell?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm Handy Haversack:

AI deepfake Mark Hurst?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm Mark Hurst:

Sorry, everyone! I just wanted to share my theme song with you for a few extra minutes this evening.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm Rich in Washington:

Now I'm picturing Mark with a tray and an RCA port somewhere on him.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm PaulRobeson1920:

Good evening ya’ll!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm Wendy del Formaggio:

Hello, friends!
  6:15pm David in London:

When I saw Kate Bush a few years back, at the start she asked the audience very pointedly not to use their phones during the show. Amazingly pretty much everyone did. It was glorious.
  6:16pm headcleaner:

speaking of being in the moment... in this past Saturday's Serious Moonlight Sonatas w/ Carol, her "meditations" (quotes and snippets she sometimes plays over certain tracks) focused on exactly this theme -- what it means to "be in the moment" and how that has changed over time: https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/103045
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm ultradamno:

Neko Case has been known to be impatient with phone wavers www.citybeat.com...
Avatar 6:17pm Bas NL:

Titanic sinking! tinyurl.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Carmichael:

This is Mark's head. Not to be confused with Mark's body.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Webhamster Henry:

Some of the software emulations are fantastic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm Folsom:

@david I can't believe someone going to a Kate Bush show and bothering with the phone, it's not like she had a lot of shows
  6:20pm Robm:

Guys did anyone else notice the stream dropping for a couple of seconds?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Wow, very interesting about Lonely Plant. Not that I have the means to travel to a remote place and fuck up someone else's existence, but I will keep that in mind when I do travel. This is like introducing coca cola to indigenous cultures.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm Mark Hurst:

@Carmichael true - the RCA port from Ken worked well
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm ultradamno:

If they could work in an identity stealing component into indoor plumbing then it might catch up.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920:

1 Centimeter of sediment generally represents 1,000 years of geologic time
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm PaulRobeson1920:

Historical Geology is groovy
  6:27pm (another) Patrick in Hoboken:

I’m glad he isn’t all negative. We can’t put the genie back in the bottle, but hopefully we can learn to use our technology wisely
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm PaulRobeson1920:

Hahaha yea yea yea
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:27pm listener 126464:

Living on the chicken bone layer!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:28pm chresti:

The Chicken Bone Age!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Mark Hurst:

"A wing and a prayer, on the chicken bone layer"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Lots of languages going extinct in these days.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:32pm melinda:

@chresti haha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm Webhamster Henry:

Well this is fun! I'm pretty sure I've seen Bob Ostertag performing at various NYC downtown venues in the 80s/90s.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm ヱkョ:

I’d love to go to Borobudur someday. Anybody here been?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm Mark Hurst:

I've been there - amazing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm listener 126464:

Download the Monk app.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:35pm -Ken:

I recall Bob Ostertag working with reel to reel tape loops and helium balloons holding up the loops
Avatar 6:35pm Bas NL:

Just visited west-Java. (and Bali)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm Webhamster Henry:

Hey Bas - hear any Sundanese gamelan?
  6:37pm Peter from Dover NJ:

Our 2d trip to China was 2013 and we saw those same sort of apartment towers. If I recall correctly, the migration to the cities is forced not voluntary.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm Handy Haversack:

Hanoi story definitely not dissuading me from the Capitalocene!
Avatar 6:38pm Bas NL:

Not on Java Henry! Visited a gamelan show on Bali.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm ヱkョ:

Good point, many people used to move to Iowa City or other small cities for culture, and now many of the same people would only go to bigger places like NYC (or Austin) instead.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Webhamster Henry:

My band has not played together in a year, but I've seen a few gamelan performances on Zoom(!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm DjLorraine:

My friend🎈 Hughie 🎈has been there. A writer and kite master
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm Folsom:

@ヱkョYou can go to a small town like Asheville but that place is expensive
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park:

In the $2 future, maybe headphones and a set of VR goggles will replace going to shows.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Damn you Duchamp for making things complicated in art!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:43pm Mark Hurst:

@KfHP The future is reduced for quick sale!
Avatar 6:45pm Bas NL:

Music should involve sweat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm (Murakami Whywolf))):

Before the techies, native San Franciscans often complained about the hippies, gays, and artists, which are all terms nicer than the ones they used.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm melinda:

It's interesting that geographical wealth inequality is still such a significant phenomenon even in the internet age, it demonstrates the importance of physical proximity for social networking, legal dealing and wealth accumulation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm Webhamster Henry:

Realtime hi res VR characters are here now, and are only going to get cheaper.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Were they dancing to Mark Pauline machines at Burning Man?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm paddy in matawan:

The YouTubes about this bass are insane!
Avatar 6:48pm duck:

sorry mark, i love your show but i do not believe you guys are qualified to discuss music in this way. drum machines are not autonomous
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Excellent observation, melinda.
Avatar 6:48pm Hummumgerr:

Great interview. Book ordered!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920:

Absolutely live! See me change, change, change changee...

Jim Morrison forecasted the future of music in 1970? “1 person talking or singing over computer beats”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm ultradamno:

There is a JGX Larsen soundtrack to most SRL shows, at least
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm (((Murakami Whywolf):

melinda:
We evolved as tribes, and still have cities, communities, ethnic groups, nations…all of which fundamentally are about feeling that you _ought_ to care much more about some people than others.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:49pm ultradamno:

That said, I have danced to the washing machine, so why not?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm paddy in matawan:

Here's a vid of the bass he was talking baout: www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm PaulRobeson1920:

Real interesting show here.

What accounts for historical change. As a consequence of what? Always a relevant question
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm Webhamster Henry:

There are composers that really want to hear otherwise unrealizable musical ideas. So Nancarrow hacked up player pianos, Zappa gave up performing for the Synclavier, or those Mop Tops and the Beach Boys using the studio as an instrument.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm (Murakami Whywolf))):

What are the Trumpists but a group of people assuming that migration and increased power by people they consider to be unlike them are 0.) threats to their way-of-life and that 1.) that way-of-life were the only right one?

Change should be manageable, but the unalloyed fear of it is a dead-end and a great opportunity for con-men.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm WR:

Ostertag at some point is assuming the mantle of historian ratger than explorer or innovator.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Mark and Bob!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:54pm Rich in Washington:

That was fantastic! And happy birthday, Bob Ostertag!
Avatar 6:54pm βrian:

(Or get it from the library, don't you know ...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm Webhamster Henry:

Another for the Techtonic Book List™!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm tim from champaign (now washington):

Thanks, Mark. What a great interview!
  6:55pm kevlicki:

Yes support PM press! Great comrades in Oakland!
  6:55pm David in London:

I feel very conflicted by this. I absolutely love Bob and what he’s saying here is very profound, but we could level many of the same ‘dancing to machines’ criticisms at Kraftwerk (used on this show), but I feel intuitively many (including me) wouldn’t want to do that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm PaulRobeson1920:

heyy!! HAPpY BiRtHDaY BOB!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Folsom:

The pmpress site has a link for an ebook version, the print book does come with the digital version but it is nice if you want the ebook only
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm Corey:

Thanks Mark for the interesting discussion! Feel lucky I had a chance to tune in tonight!
Avatar 6:56pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Bob!
Avatar 6:56pm Constance De Witt:

Thanks for the great interview!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm Carmichael:

My Samsung washer has a cool tune when it's done. I boogie to it all the time.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm listener 126464:

Thank you Mark, thanks Bob.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm melinda:

Geographic wealth inequality actually wasn't as bad before the internet age because there was political will and legislation to prevent or limit it.
  7:00pm wobbly:

Great interview! My only comment via the chat is to note that it’s interesting that Kraftwerk frequently comes up as an example of ‘drum machine music’ when their lineup featured two human percussionists through 86; it’s actually as much man as machine. But those influenced by them in the 80s followed the latter half
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark & Bob and thanks for keeping a cool head tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm Rich in Washington:

Thanks! See you next week!
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